Re: [Trisquel-users] Upgrading to Trisquel 8
Most of the packages seemed to install just fine, although a handful had dependency issues. The system isn't currently booting up, so one or two of those must be critical. I'll have a look at those broken packages and see if there is anything I can do.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Upgrading to Trisquel 8
I'm trying to do the upgrade at the moment, although during the 'apt-get update' part, I'm seeing some GPG errors, presumably because the authentication keys for the Flidas repos are different to the Belenos ones?: W: GPG error: http://us.archive.trisquel.info flidas InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B138CA450C05112F W: GPG error: http://us.archive.trisquel.info flidas-security InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B138CA450C05112F W: GPG error: http://us.archive.trisquel.info flidas-updates InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B138CA450C05112F It also seems to be throwing some warnings, like these: W: Unknown Multi-Arch type 'no' for package 'kwin-dev' W: Unknown Multi-Arch type 'no' for package 'kwin-wayland' W: Unknown Multi-Arch type 'no' for package 'kwin-x11' W: Unknown Multi-Arch type 'no' for package 'libkf5sysguard-dev' W: Unknown Multi-Arch type 'no' for package 'libxapian-dev' W: Ignoring Provides line with DepCompareOp for package pypy-cffi W: Ignoring Provides line with DepCompareOp for package pypy-cffi-backend-api-max W: Ignoring Provides line with DepCompareOp for package pypy-cffi-backend-api-min But those don't look too serious, so I'm going to ignore them and hope they will go away. Then, during 'apt-get dist-upgrade', it's telling me that it can't authenticate the packages, which I assume is linked to the earlier GPG errors that I saw? Anyway, I'm going to go ahead and do the upgrade and I'll report back once I get to the other side ... :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree
Hooray for Libreboot! :-D One question I have about it though: is it modelled on the BIOS style of booting (MBR), or EFI? Or can it do both? (Sorry if this seems like a silly question)
[Trisquel-users] Upgrading to Trisquel 8
So ... what's the best way for me to upgrade to Trisquel 8? On my laptop, I am currently running Trisquel 7, although I installed the full version and then changed to LXDE from Gnome, rather than installing the 'Mini' version. Do I just change the repository paths to the Trisquel 8 ones and then run: sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
Re: [Trisquel-users] raptor talos will make a lower priced mainboard, if you buy 10000
Did you ask the FSF what they recommend as a currently-existing alternative?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Google DRM Linux kernel.
It is very unsettling how many companies seem to be embracing this very closed philosophy towards hardware and drivers. Are they releasing a new GPU that will only work with this new non-free driver?
Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 8
Interesting - thanks for the info. I use LXDE on my laptop - has anyone tried that out yet?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about fully free computers
I bought a second-hand Macbook off of Ebay, which was very easy to flash with Libreboot. It can be done with a command line tool, without needing any special hardware. I had probably spent around $200 on it, by the time I bought a new battery and fan, but it's a great machine and runs very well with Trisquel 7 and LXDE. I would recommend it to anyone. In general though, I agree with the OP. It seems that the real issue for free software these days is not software, but hardware. It seems that we have free-software equivalents for almost everything you might want, but compatible hardware is a very different story. The big problem with hardware is that is requires $$ investment, at a different level to software, and it's hard to see where those $$ are going to come from. I also have a lot of hopes for EOMA and Power9, which are looking very promising. Hopefully crowdfunding will prove to be a powerful tool to help advance the frontier of free-software-supporting hardware.
Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 8
This is great news. It sounds like there shouldn't be a huge amount to do then to get it fully released, if it is working for most users? I haven't installed it yet myself, but will do when I can find some time.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Vim vs Emacs
I quite like nano. It seems simple and pretty much does what I want. Although I'd be willing to try something else, if someone can convince me of the error of my ways. Which one is best for coding?
Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 8
I heard Santa's enrolled his elves in a Bash scripting workshop this year ... XD
Re: [Trisquel-users] Intel AMT and Free Software
I agree with calher. Being 80% free is better than being 20% free ... :-)
Re: [Trisquel-users] How does one respond to this statement?
For me, the key fallacy here is the mistaken belief that 'software is the consequence of substantial risk-taking and investment on the part of firms'. Software doesn't have to be that way. Free software is the consequence of many people working together voluntarily, as part of a community movement, with no interaction at all with large firms. Anyone with a computer can pick up a keyboard and write some software - possibly contribute to a larger free software project. The GNU/Linux operating system and most of the packages that comprise it are manifest counter-examples that disprove their point, that software patents are essential for software development (e.g. Firefox, X11, GNOME, LibreOffice ...).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Quantum kicks ass
No problem, Heather. I'm glad you are here too. I think we have a great community here on the Trisquel forum and hopefully we can all move the cause of free software forward together :-) I haven't tried Firefox Quantum myself yet, but I will report back if/when I do.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Free-software-compatible oEmbed service for videos?
I spoke to one of the guys at Disroot about this and he recommended uploading the video to their cloud service (cloud.disroot.org). You can't embed it into Diaspora from there, but you can share a link to family and friends that allows them to play it in their browser, which seemed to work well. I highly recommend Disroot - it's a great service with some awesome features.
[Trisquel-users] Free-software-compatible oEmbed service for videos?
So, I have an account on Diaspora and I wanted to post a video to share with some family and friends. However, it seems that you can't upload videos directly there (which is fair enough, as it takes a lot of storage space). But, it seems that you can embed videos that have been uploaded to another video-hosting service that uses the oEmbed protocol, to allow the video to be embedded from there into Diaspora. The oEmbed Wikipedia article lists some services that offer oEmbed (which includes Facebook, YouTube, Vimeo). Does anyone know if any of the services listed are free-software/privacy respecting or, if not, if there are any other services that offer oEmbed that are?
Re: [Trisquel-users] ThinkPenguin has a new laptop
I assume it contains the Intel ME (and therefore would not be compatible with Libreboot), if it contains a 'quad-core i7' chip?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Quantum kicks ass
No, I wasn't trying to be that clever .. The joke was funny because it was mine - lol! XD
Re: [Trisquel-users] Quantum kicks ass
Yeah, this sounds very good :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
That's a great video! Stephen Fry just put on a +2 Baseball Cap of Coolness, in my estimation :D
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
I was being sarcastic about Bieber being cool, btw - lol! XD
Re: [Trisquel-users] Advanced user/ beginner programmer wants to help trisquel to have an raspberry pi 3 release
Hi, I'm just a user, but the impression I get is that right now there are not many developers actively working on Trisquel. Those that are seem to be focusing quite heavily on Trisquel 8, which is being seen as a high priority. So, I think you will have difficulty finding a Trisquel developer that would be willing to work on a specific release for Raspberry Pi. I haven't used Raspberry Pi myself, but I would think the main issues in getting Trisquel to run would be whether it is compatible with the Linux-libre kernel and/or the Libreboot firmware.
Re: [Trisquel-users] raptor talos will make a lower priced mainboard, if you buy 10000
My 2 cents: I think you will have a lot of difficulty getting Raptor to do the crowdfunding on their website, seeing as they don't think the project is viable and they weren't willing to provide a firm quote. Although I guess there's no harm in asking. Most crowdfunding sites that I've seen don't charge anything if the target isn't met, but that might depend on the terms of the site you choose.
Re: [Trisquel-users] raptor talos will make a lower priced mainboard, if you buy 10000
> It will be winded down such that it can work on a microatx mainboard which has lower priced electronic components on it. I would be very interested to hear more specific details about how it would be 'winded down' and what that means. I.e. is it being clocked lower, or only 2 cores are enabled? > Raptor did not state an intel cpu, which would have an comparable performance. Only that the power cpu would match a x86 duo core cpu on performance. As I said earlier in the thread, if this is truly the case then I think I'm going to have to decline to get involved any further myself. I don't really see the point of the project, as I believe there are already free-software-compatible mainboard options available that give that level of performance for much lower cost. I wish you the best of luck with the crowdfunding though, if you do pursue it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] raptor talos will make a lower priced mainboard, if you buy 10000
I had a reply from rms - he sent me a copy of what he said to tonlee the day before. In summary: he said he's going to ask the FSF people to take a look and let him know if they think the project would be a benefit to free computing. He also said that the FSF would only endorse a crowdfunding campaign if it is run on a site that uses free Javascript (which is understandable). He said there are two crowdfunding sites that are known to use free Javascript: Crowd Supply and Goteo. I had a look at Crowd Supply and they seem pretty good. It looks like they are quite strongly geared towards free software-compatible hardware projects. According to their Wikipedia page, they have a high rate of success, partly because of their close management of projects that they run. It seems that they also have the ability to help with fulfillment (i.e. shipping and handling), which could also be a plus for this. Perhaps I should get in touch with them and see what they think about these Raptor boards?
Re: [Trisquel-users] I'd like to start volunteering my time to help Trisquel. What can I do to help?
It would be very helpful if there was a list somewhere of which scripts have been verified, so we can avoid duplicating work. Then, once a helper script has been verified, whoever did it can add it to the list. That way, we would also be able to see more easily how much there is left to do.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Quantum kicks ass
Good question! My biggest issue with the old Firefox was that it quickly shovelled all of my RAM into a burlap sack and then made all my other applications ask *very* nicely, if they ever wanted to use any of it .. "You other guys aren't going to be needing any of this, are you?" ;)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Good pro graphics card to invest in that is Libre-friendly?
I have a GTX 1050 on my desktop machine (which I have yet to convert to Trisquel). Will that work with nouveau?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Quantum kicks ass
When we gets the Icecat version? (I propose we call it 'Schrodinger's Icecat' ;-) )
Re: [Trisquel-users] Good pro graphics card to invest in that is Libre-friendly?
Good question. What is 'the best' graphics card option that is available right now, which is fully compatible with libre drivers?
Re: [Trisquel-users] I'd like to start volunteering my time to help Trisquel. What can I do to help?
Hi kpengboy, how do we know which package helpers need to be updated? Try installing Flidas and see which packages don't work?
Re: [Trisquel-users] raptor talos will make a lower priced mainboard, if you buy 10000
Sure, different people are going to want different things and one piece of hardware is never going to suit everybody. I agree, of course, that the Macbook is old hardware and, in 10 years' time, it isn't going to be as easy to find one on Ebay. I think there are a lot of people that do want more computing power though, so if that is something that is currently putting them off of free computing, then the POWER9 could be huge. There will be a place for both EOMA and the POWER9.
Re: [Trisquel-users] raptor talos will make a lower priced mainboard, if you buy 10000
> As I have stated before, the cpu on the raptor microatx mainboard will not be a particular fast one. It will be the lowest priced cpu, which raptor can provide, which has a performance comparable to a x86 duo core cpu. I think it's important to clarify on this. Did Raptor tell you that the CPU is only going to be comparable only to an x86 core duo? I would find that strange, as I would highly expect them to use the same POWER9 CPU that the Talos II is using - those are 4-core Sforzas. It seems very unlikely to me that they would get IBM to develop a completely different CPU package and socket for this - I can't see it happening. If it is using the same socket as the Talos II then, according to the POWER9 Wikipedia page, it should be compatible with higher core-count POWER9s, when they become available. For this reason, I think it would make more sense for them to just supply the board by itself here, not bundled with the CPU. Firstly, it would be a lower upfront cost, which would help with the crowdfunding, and secondly, some people might want to buy the board now and wait until the more powerful POWER9 chips become available later on.
Re: [Trisquel-users] raptor talos will make a lower priced mainboard, if you buy 10000
Ok, I'll send him an e-mail a bit later on and see if I can explain. Seems like he is pretty good at getting back to e-mails. Good effort, tonlee! :-) Seriously, we need to make this happen for the future of free computing. I'll be willing to volunteer some time as well for the crowdfunding effort. I don't really see where the risk is, tbh - if we don't meet the target, no money gets charged, no-ones really lost anything.
Re: [Trisquel-users] raptor talos will make a lower priced mainboard, if you buy 10000
That sounds pretty good! I would definitely take one for $1000 (including CPU). 2 PCIs seems a little bit low, but I could work with it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] raptor talos will make a lower priced mainboard, if you buy 10000
I agree. The EOMA doesn't excite me the way the POWER9 does. Not only is it a new architecture, it is the first architecture for a long time that fully supports libre computing. Like all of this stuff, cost will come down if it takes off and higher quantities get made. I don't see what the EOMA offers me that my librebooted Macbook 2,1 doesn't already do, tbh.
Re: [Trisquel-users] I'd like to start volunteering my time to help Trisquel. What can I do to help?
Does anyone know how up to date this wiki is?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
If Bieber uses it then it must be cool :D
Re: [Trisquel-users] kerrn.log
This seems strange. Does it only happen with that kernel version? Things I can think of are that you might be able to change the kernel log level by editing the boot parameters in GRUB, to reduce how much it is printing to the log. Or, you could try making some sort of looping shell script or daemon that deletes the log file every 5 minutes, or when it reaches a certain size. Although, neither of those would address the underlying cause.
Re: [Trisquel-users] I'd like to start volunteering my time to help Trisquel. What can I do to help?
Ok. Where actually is that? Is it installed by default in T7?
Re: [Trisquel-users] No open FSF/GNU forum?
I think we have some differences of opinion, which is fair enough. It seems that, in general, you are not much of a fan of forums, whereas I really am. I think they are a great system for online communication and discussion, especially for people who are not very computer-savvy. Also, for people who are newcomers to a scene, or just 'passing by' to take a quick look, forums have a significant benefit in that they are very open and visible and easy to find. Pretty much anyone can casually browse through what is being discussed, even if they don't want to get involved themselves (yet!). I don't think the same can be said for the other communication methods that you mentioned. In my experience, mailing lists tend to be used more for discussion about a specific topic by those who are already somewhat invested. For newer or more casual participants, they are not that easy to find and they have little visibility externally for people who aren't subscribed to them. It's not really possible to casually browse a mailing list to see what's going on. At least, not very easily. Netnews - I have no idea what that is and I haven't used it. And that's a problem. Because I'm talking about how, as a free software community, we engage with people who are new and want to find out more. I'm probably far more computer/internet-savvy than the average person and I've been using the web for a long time. So, if I don't know what netnews is, chances are that your average web surfer isn't going to either. Don't get me wrong, it might well be an amazing communication platform, but I'm just questioning how visible and accessible it is to less experienced users. In general, a big factor in my thinking that we need a better central 'hub' for the free software community is how we communicate with newcomers. You're right that experienced community members and those that are already involved in free software projects might not use it, if they are happy with what they've got already. But, without a clearly visible central hub that is easy to find, how is the community supposed to engage properly and communicate with newcomers and those that want to find out more? Are they going to find the Trisquel forum? Probably not. Are they going to log in to IRC or bother joining a mailing list. Probably not. More likely, as I said earlier in the thread, they will hang out at the nice, shiny forum of one of the larger distros (Ubuntu, Fedora) and get fed their version of 'free' instead.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
I agree very much with this. Free software is a choice that people should make, not something that should be imposed on them. Ubuntu is a good stepping-stone away from the sinister Windows/Apple world.
Re: [Trisquel-users] I'd like to start volunteering my time to help Trisquel. What can I do to help?
You mean, updating from Trisquel 7 to Trisquel 8?
Re: [Trisquel-users] I'd like to start volunteering my time to help Trisquel. What can I do to help?
Lol :) Seriously though, is he not reviewing/accepting patches/merge requests (or whatever) that are being submitted? Or are there none being submitted? Is there a way we can see how many were submitted in the past 30 days? (I don't expect you to necessarily know the answer to all these questions, btw .. :) )
Re: [Trisquel-users] No open FSF/GNU forum?
Just to follow up on this thread I started a while ago: I donated $10 to the FSF yesterday, because I was interested to try out their forum (as well as to contribute to their efforts on free software, of course!). I went on there, expecting to see a thriving free-software community, discussing various campaigns and projects. However, I must say I was disappointed by the lack of activity. I won't be any more specific, as I don't want to 'dish dirt' on another forum, but the activity is certainly less than on here. I guess it figures, seeing as it is only open to paying members. Perhaps there really is a need for someone to set up a free, open and independent forum, which can act as a focal-point for the Free Software community? How hard is it to set up/maintain a forum?
Re: [Trisquel-users] I'd like to start volunteering my time to help Trisquel. What can I do to help?
I'm sure this is posted somewhere, but is there a comprehensive list of what needs to be done to make Trisquel 8 'complete' and ready for release? I have to admit I haven't tried it yet myself, but I am planning to install it on my desktop, as soon as I can find some time.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
Ok, that's cool. Stephen Fry seems like a good guy :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
Yes, that is more what I was getting at. For example, Hollywood or TV stars, or musical artists. It seems to me that Free Software could really use one or two 'ambassadors' that have a high-profile outside the Free Software movement. Also, it's interesting that you mention product placement. It seems fairly rare that I see GNU/Linux used or mentioned on mainstream media. I guess it's hard to compete with the big advertising bucks from Microsoft/Apple/Google ...
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
I meant, except for rms and you, Adfeno, of course! XD
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
Ok, that's interesting. I hadn't heard of him, but I might have to check out some of his books :)
[Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
I'm just wondering if there are any celebrities that are known to use Free Software? (apart from rms, obviously!) :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Either the rating system goes, or I will
Why does it bother you so much?
Re: [Trisquel-users] I met RMS yesterday. We talked about Trisquel 8, this is what he said...
> I know Trisquel 8 is too late already, but Ubuntu 18.04 is close, maybe if I learn enough during the next few months I can help a lot to Trisquel 9 happen sooner than later. > I have a lot of free time so I can use a few daily hours to learn and help. I want to ask you to point me on the right direction, what should I read, what should I learn. Please send me all that you can even if I need to learn on Debian or Ubuntu documentation. Or learn Bash or anything.[/quote] I think this is an excellent attitude from happy_gnu. For all those calling for Trisquel 8, saying "where is it? why is it so late?": it's only going to happen if *you*(/we) pick up a keyboard and devote our time to making it happen. Spend some of our time coding/learn to code, whatever we can do. We need to learn how to build and maintain this distro ourselves - there is no magic grotto of coding gnomes that is going to do it all for us. I would like to help out as well, if/when I can find some time. (Personally, I've been building a Linux From Scratch System over the past few weeks, so I can learn more about how a distro works under the hood. It's a great resource and I highly recommend it.). The world needs a free-software version of Ubuntu, that is easy to use and accessible for newer users. We all need to pull together to make it happen!
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Paypal compatible with software freedom?
Ok, thanks. These all look interesting and I will look into them. I guess the main problem though is how many places will accept them? It doesn't look like either Trisquel or FSF do, for example.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Paypal compatible with software freedom?
Ok. So, is the usage of non-free JS the main reason, or is there anything else?
[Trisquel-users] Is Paypal compatible with software freedom?
I'm a little unclear as to whether Paypal is compatible with the free software philosophy. It seems that both Trisquel and the FSF will accept Paypal for donations, although perhaps that is just out of pragmatism? If it isn't ethical, why and are there any reasonable alternatives for online payments/shopping?
Re: [Trisquel-users] raptor talos will make a lower priced mainboard, if you buy 10000
Thanks for the update, tonlee, although it is discouraging that Raptor will not be able to provide specifications. In my opinion, for the crowdfunding to have any chance at all, they would have to provide a firm quote first, including specs, price, lead time, warranty details. As you say, people would need to know what they are paying for. I am not surprised that they are not in favor of a notebook board, as that would involve additional challenges, as I mentioned before. Did you have any luck in contacting RMS or the FSF? Given Raptor's position, I wonder if the best way forward might be to kick off some sort of online petition, to gather signatures of those who would be willing to buy a new Power9 board for $500, to try to gauge if the interest is really there. If we could get 20-30,000 signatures, that might help to convince Raptor that the project is feasible.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Because of Trisquel 7, I have abandoned Google for DuckDuckGo, its default search.
+1 for Searx. Great tool! (but I like DDG as well :-) )
Re: [Trisquel-users] Should I refuse to buy from Technoethical?
I respect your opinion, FindEssential, and I agree that in the end it comes down to who you choose to believe/trust. Although, I find it interesting that you choose to trust these companies who are producing non-free software/firmware over individuals who are working hard (and often not getting paid) to provide completely free computing options. With non-free firmware, you have no idea what else they are putting in the code you are using. With Libreboot, you or anybody else can audit the code at any time, and it's endorsed by the Free Software Foundation.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Live USB Issues
As a general question: can Libreboot boot up using EFI-mode, as well as legacy BIOS mode? E.g. if I connect a USB or external HDD that is configured to boot with EFI, can Libreboot boot it?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Live USB Issues
Thanks for the link, SuperTramp83. However the link to the Debian img file in that article doesn't work - it seems they have removed the /current-live/i386/usb-hdd folder. I tried that same procedure before though, using a Trisquel Mini ISO, and the result was bootable on my machine; however, I wasn't able to resize the partition in gparted. Gparted wasn't able to find the partition at all, which led me to believe that the partition table had been overwritten during the dd process. Interestingly, I made an EFI-bootable Trisquel Mini USB, using Universal USB Installer on Windows, and that seemed to boot up ok through Libreboot. It didn't have any persistence though.
Re: [Trisquel-users] raptor talos will make a lower priced mainboard, if you buy 10000
Ok, fair enough. But, would you be willing to pay $500 for it, if it's not giving you any increased computing power over what is already available? I wouldn't, personally.
Re: [Trisquel-users] raptor talos will make a lower priced mainboard, if you buy 10000
Hi tonlee, seems like you're doing some great work on this and I think your plan for campaigning sounds good. I have a couple of comments though: Firstly, I strongly recommend going for a desktop ATX board over notebook. An ATX board is very standard, so most people who already own a desktop PC should be able to switch it in fairly easily, without having to buy any new hardware (other than the CPU). If you go for a notebook, that will either restrict it to those people who already have that specific hardware, or mean that people would have to go and buy a new laptop as well, in order to use it. I'm surprised they even mentioned a notebook board. I would think designing an ATX board would be much easier, because it's nowhere near as constrained in terms of space and thermal requirements as a notebook (not that I know very much about PC board design ..). Secondly, about the performance part - I've been thinking about this some more and I really think it would need to be better than an Intel Core 2 Duo. I have a laptop already that has a Core 2 Duo and is 100% libre, so if your board has a similar spec chip, then what is that giving me that I don't already have? A big part of the excitement over the Talos II is that it is using a libre chip that looks like it will give comparable performance to more recent Intel/AMD chips. I think the project would struggle to gain support if it isn't raising the bar of what free computing can do.
[Trisquel-users] Live USB Issues
I'm trying to create a live USB on Trisquel 7, following the methods given on this wiki page and I seem to be having some issues. If I use the Startup Disk Creator tool, the USB doesn't seem to boot properly through Libreboot. The same thing seems to happen, regardless of whether or not I enable the persistent storage. If I use the 'dd' method to just copy the ISO file, the USB does boot. However, I was hoping to make it persistent and I'm not sure how to do that using this method. If I go into gparted (to try to resize the partition), it doesn't seem to recognize any partitions on the USB (presumably the 'dd' command over-wrote the partition table?). Has anyone else experienced this, or know how I can make a persistent USB in Trisquel?
Re: [Trisquel-users] raptor talos will make a lower priced mainboard, if you buy 10000
I haven't gotten involved with any crowdfunding before, but I had a quick look at Kickstarter. It looks like the way it works is people pledge a certain amount of money, but no money is charged unless the target is met. So, it seems like there isn't anything lose by giving it a try .. I took a look at the EOMA68 (that looks very cool as well, btw). That's a laptop using a dual-core ARM Cortex 1.2 GHz chip, which looks similar to what is used in the Raspberry Pi. The Raptor board would be for a desktop and the Power9 CPU is more recent, so I expect it would be quite a bit more powerful (especially if it has more cores). In terms of freedom, they both seem to be endorsed by the FSF, so they are both free.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Who of this community honestly runs Trisquel GNU/Linux?
Everymac.com says that the one I've got (I think) has an Intel GMA 950 graphics chip, which, according to Wikipedia, supports opengl 1.4. So, looks like the answer to that one is 'no'.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Who of this community honestly runs Trisquel GNU/Linux?
Yeah, they do! There a nice wiki page here that provides details on how to install/configure Libreboot and Trisquel. Only very specific Macbook versions support it though (1,1 and 2,1), although you can get hold of one off of Ebay very easily. That's where I got mine - had to replace the battery and fan, but now it runs great. I don't know about the opengl question ... not sure if the graphics chip supports those versions. Could probably find out on the internet somehow.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Who of this community honestly runs Trisquel GNU/Linux?
I'm currently using Trisquel 7 (with Libreboot) on a Macbook 2,1 that I bought off of Ebay and it works great. Trackpad, sound, wifi all work great. The only thing that doesn't work is the integral webcam, which I don't really need anyway. It can play videos, YouTube, handle web browsing just fine. I don't know about the higher-end 3D libre games. I've tried Super Tux Kart (which is very fun) and it kinda works (although there seem to be some issues with the controls). I haven't tried 0AD or any of the 3D FPS games, but if I do I'll let you know how they run. Bear in mind though that many recent mid-low level non-free laptops can't really handle modern 3D games either.
Re: [Trisquel-users] raptor talos will make a lower priced mainboard, if you buy 10000
> Specifications about a duo core x86 cpu, I should say suffice. I'd be surprised if they would use a different CPU chip to the Talos II. It seems doubtful that IBM would make a custom Power9 CPU/socket just for a one-off run of 10,000 boards. I don't know, perhaps they would? Again, we would need to get more specific details of what Raptor have in mind. I have to say, I'm a bit confused about the CPU that is being used with the Talos II. Raptor's website seems a bit scanty on details, except that each CPU package has '4 cores and is SMT4 capable'. However, according to Wikipedia's Power9 page and this PDF from IBM, the Power9 is only being made in 2 versions: 12x SMT8 cores or 24x SMT4. A 24-core CPU sounds like it would be massive overkill for a home desktop PC. I don't know, maybe that info is out-of-date, or Raptor have some agreement with IBM for a custom chip? Would be interesting if we can find out more ..
Re: [Trisquel-users] raptor talos will make a lower priced mainboard, if you buy 10000
I'm a bit surprised there isn't more interest in this. Would anybody else be willing to pay $500-600 upfront for a fully open, modern mainboard alternative to Intel/AMD? Do people not think that target of 10,000 units could be achievable by crowdsourcing? I admit that I don't have a very solid handle on how big the free-software community is, but that price range seems much more accessible than the $2,300+ that Raptor are charging currently for their Talos II Workstation boards, which were mentioned in another thread. 10,000 doesn't seem like it would be impossible. Another question though: what is the status of this board/chipset regarding firmware? Has Coreboot/Libreboot been ported to it? If a Talos board landed on my doorstep tomorrow morning, could I actually run it? I assume yes, if they are currently selling Talos II ;-)
Re: [Trisquel-users] raptor talos will make a lower priced mainboard, if you buy 10000
This is very cool! I would think the free software movement should be able to get 10,000 signatures together to crowdfund this. We would need to get a firmer quote from them in terms of price/lead time; what the exact specs would be and verify that it would be 100% libre. If the price really is $500 for decent specs then I'd certainly put my name down (although I assume that wouldn't include a CPU?). I agree that it would be great if the FSF could get involved with organizing the crowdfunding, as surely something like this would be a big deal for libre computing. Have you seen Stallman's personal site? There is an e-mail address there where you can reach him. This would be awesome and I really hope it happens! :-)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Posteo vs Tutanota vs OpenMailbox
I've been looking through the Disroot e-mail options some more, and they have a feature where you can create custom 'identities'. For example, I just made: 'wa...@booble.com'. Does that sort of thing suit your needs? I don't know where they stand on green energy though ..
Re: [Trisquel-users] Posteo vs Tutanota vs OpenMailbox
I've just started using Disroot and they seem very good. They use only free software and they say they do e-mail encryption (although I haven't tried it), as well as free IMAP. They also host a Diaspora* pod, which is cool, as well as cloud storage and some other cool services. I had to disable LibreJS to sign up, or their captcha thing wouldn't work. Also, their webmail doesn't load up for me when LibreJS is enabled, even though it doesn't flag any of the code on their site as non-free. I've been disabling LibreJS very briefly, to allow the webmail to load, then re-enabling it, which seems to work fine. Try it out! :-D
Re: [Trisquel-users] What service do you recommend to replace OpenMailBox
I just signed up for a disroot account, because it looks really good and they seem to link in with Diaspora as well, which I want to try as an alternative to FB. However, their webmail doesn't seem to run in Icecat with LibreJS enabled, even though LJS isn't showing any scripts being blocked. Has anyone else had this issue? (I had to disable LJS to sign up as well, otherwise their captcha thingy wouldn't load)
Re: [Trisquel-users] LibreJS not working with this site?
Working is good. I'm a big fan of things working! ;-)
Re: [Trisquel-users] LibreJS not working with this site?
Sorry ADFENO, this is a bit beyond my level of expertise when it comes to web coding stuff. But, thanks for looking into it anyway :-)
Re: [Trisquel-users] LibreJS not working with this site?
Adding trisquel.info/* to the whitelist for the version of LibreJS that was installed with Icecat didn't help - Icecat still locked up when I tried to access the trisquel site. However, I installed the web extensions version and that seems to work ok. So, I will use that from now on. Thanks for your help! :-)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Uh oh - ArchiveOS listed Trisquel
> MidnightBSD follow very near this style but he created two levels; First level, is about your firsts contributions; main developers follow you and if you are very active or if you make some contributions without any problem they name you a main developer and you can edit directly. Ok, so that still relies on the main developers reviewing your work initially and only giving you full access once they come to trust you. Perhaps Ruben would do this too with Trisquel, if someone became quite active with code submittals and he came to trust their work. Have you tried?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Uh oh - ArchiveOS listed Trisquel
So, what GNU/Linux distro operates on a 'wiki-style', where people can submit code changes to the production repository, without some level of reviewing/quality control? Sounds like a recipe for disaster, if you ask me. Just imagine if the Linux kernel project was being run like that ...
Re: [Trisquel-users] Uh oh - ArchiveOS listed Trisquel
I agree - someone responsible should be reviewing/approving merge requests to ensure a level of quality. If there was a big pile of merge requests sitting there, not being reviewed, that would be a problem. However, that doesn't seem to be the case.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux From Scratch - libre
As far as I can see, LFS seems to have pretty good instructions for compiling the kernel, editing fstab and making the system bootable, after the source packages have been compiled/installed. Is there something it is missing?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux From Scratch - libre
Ok, thanks for the link. I'll check it out :-)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Uh oh - ArchiveOS listed Trisquel
I find it quite astounding that just one person is supporting this whole distro. Although, at the same time, it's also a bit worrying that the project is so dependent on that same person. And, as well as Trisquel, one of the posters above mentioned that he is also responsible for Icecat and LibreJS as well ... it seems like it must be too much for one person to cope with. I have a great deal of admiration for the work that Ruben is doing; however, surely there must be some others among the Trisquel user community who might be able to lend a hand?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Uh oh - ArchiveOS listed Trisquel
Is anybody helping Ruben with Trisquel 8, or is he basically doing it himself?
[Trisquel-users] Linux From Scratch - libre
I know this isn't a Trisquel question, but I'm currently going through the Linux From Scratch guide to build my own system, as it seems like fun and I'm interested to learn more about what goes on 'under the hood' of GNU/Linux. Obviously, I want to make it without non-free software, so I'm planning to switch out the regular linux kernel for linux-libre. I'll also check that each software package I compile/install is in the FSF's directory and substitute them for libre versions if they're not. Will that qualify as libre, or is there anything else I need to do? :-)
Re: [Trisquel-users] LibreJS not working with this site?
I'll give that a try and see. Thanks! :-)
Re: [Trisquel-users] LibreJS not working with this site?
Hi nickylodeon, thanks for your input. I had to disable it because otherwise I couldn't access this site, as the browser kept on freezing. However, I will try adding trisquel.info to the whitelist and some of the other suggestions on here and see if that helps.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Who of this community honestly runs Trisquel GNU/Linux?
I'm running Trisquel 7 on my laptop (a librebooted Macbook 2,1).
Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd
So, to come back to my original (possibly misunderstood) question, which I will try to clarify: When compiling a piece of software from source, can the configure script tell whether or not I have systemd installed on my machine, without me having to install a separate widget to tell me that (as with any other library dependency)?
Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd
Well, I didn't say 'Debian package' or 'binary package'. If I download the git repository of source code for an application and compile/install it myself, couldn't that also be considered a 'package' of software? If not, then perhaps I used the term 'package' in an unusual way, which may have caused the confusion. In that case, how would you refer to a piece of software that is downloaded and compiled from source, if not as a 'package'?
Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd
I've read back through the comments here, and it seems like we have actually been talking about two completely different things. That might be where the confusion is arising ;)
Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd
> No, when you're referring to what Debian package require in order to be installed, you're talking about packages. Compiling is not even involved in that process. When did I mention Debian packages? I have only ever been talking here about compilation of software from source. I repeat, I am *not* talking about maintenance or installation of pre-compiled binary packages of any kind. If you think that, then clearly we have been talking about two different things. The rest of what you've said, I already know and is frankly irrelevant, because you continue with your incorrect assumption that I am talking about binary packages, which I have now clarified several times that I am not. Answer me this one point then: are you claiming that the configure script that is contained in most source packages, which is run before compiling the source code into binary (i.e. before running 'make'), does not check for which packages/libraries are installed and then pass instructions to the compiler, to tell it which libraries to link to? I repeat my earlier statement: I should not have to download ANY part of systemd in order to check if systemd is installed on my machine, prior to compiling the source code for a package that may optionally depend on it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd
Yes, I understand that, but you don't seem to be addressing my point. I'm not talking about package/distro maintainers, I'm talking about the process of compiling software in general. E.g. if I was to download a source package and compile/install it myself on my machine. Is not the whole purpose of the 'configure' script in practically every source package to check and see what software/libraries are installed on a user's machine and then send the appropriate flags to the compiler to tell it what libraries to include, when it builds the binary? So, my point is that we already have a tool that can probe to see what is installed on a users' machine, prior to compiling software, which is what has been used for every package, prior to systemd. So, why should systemd need some fancy widget? What's so special about systemd? Perhaps this is an example of what people are complaining about with systemd trying to over-complicate things or replace things that aren't broken?
Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd
Well, my previous post was a bit 'tongue-in-cheek' ;-) I have to admit that I'm not exactly the world's most experienced programmer, but according to this Wikipedia article, 'many programming languages support conditional compilation', which I assume would allow them to conditionally include libraries, depending on what sort of system they are being compiled on/for. I mean, package configure scripts already test automatically for a whole bunch of potential dependencies, without needing a special package to do that. Why should systemd be any different? Tbh, if I can't check whether something is installed on my system or not just by using basic Unix tools, something doesn't seem quite right there ...
Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd
My biggest problem with systemd is that they skipped systems A, B and C .. >:(
Re: [Trisquel-users] TALOS II Secure Workstation, from Raptor Engineering
I just saw the news article about this by the FSF and I agree this is very exciting! I would love to buy the single-cpu board for my home desktop, but it's probably doubtful that my wife would let me spend $2300 on it. :P I sincerely wish these guys every success with it though, as this is surely the future for libre computing. If they can do a lower-end version at some point for
Re: [Trisquel-users] Uh oh - ArchiveOS listed Trisquel
My understanding is that Trisquel 8 is going to use systemd, given that its upstream source (Ubuntu) has moved to it. Is there any estimate on how far away we are from a fully-released Trisquel 8 (e.g. a rough % complete, or expected release date)?
Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd
It was Calmstorm that suggested above that there were unnecessary dependencies: > seriously, why should every package even ones that don't require it be dependent on systemd... I then said, *if* that is the case, then it is bad and shouldn't be happening. I have no idea what specific packages he was referring to.
Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd
So, for those that don't like/want systemd, what are the viable alternatives? Seems like Upstart isn't being maintained any more, right?
Re: [Trisquel-users] It's Software Freedom Day on Sept 16th
Cool! :-D
