Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
Now it's high fructose corn syrup instead of sugar. I wonder if they tweaked the formula when they switched?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
If you install Debian without entering a root password during the installation, sudo will be enabled. The wireless may have been glitchy because Debian doesn't come with proprietary drivers out of the box and the free ones don't work too well, assuming it worked fine in Ubuntu with the proprietary drivers.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
Honestly, having switched to Debian recently, the only problem I've had is not being able to get SimpleScreenRecorderor OBS to work (their compile instructions didn't work for me).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
You lot have the Lens spyware to thank for getting me as a Trisquel user (now you know who to complain to ;) >> That OS **is** a spyware, the thing is turned on by default.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
Thanks for the info. >> the Mint project develops a lot of software that never gets sent upstream, so it is effectively Mint-exclusive, which means Mint users who are used to this software will have a harder time migrating to another distro. > Two, Mint doesn't even provide a mechanism to allow users to choose only libre software; everything, libre or proprietary, is shoved in a single repository. Worse, much of this proprietary software is installed by default even when it isn't necessary. > Despite the Unity problem,
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
> I currently endorse Mint as a paddling pool for new GNU/Linux users I would go against this suggestion, for two reasons: one, the Mint project develops a lot of software that never gets sent upstream, so it is effectively Mint-exclusive, which means Mint users who are used to this software will have a harder time migrating to another distro. Two, Mint doesn't even provide a mechanism to allow users to choose only libre software; everything, libre or proprietary, is shoved in a single repository. Worse, much of this proprietary software is installed by default even when it isn't necessary. Despite the Unity problem, I think Ubuntu is still a better choice for an intermediate system to recommend to someone. Canonical at least conscientiously separates libre software (in them "main" and "universe" repositories) from proprietary software (in the "restricted" and "multiverse" repositories).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
well thats one example. I think for newbies compiling software to install is complicated, or even to edit sources file.I used ppa for peerguardian as example, but I think they do have a repo for debian as well not sure if its as updated or maintained though. but for me my surround sound volume control only works properly only on ubuntu based distros. can't get it working on fedora or debian, bothered me for years and I have complained alot about it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
also surround sound doesn't work right for me on debian, and not as many packages optimized for it, or easy to install 3rd party software repos like with ppa's. Lets face it, ubuntu is just way more newbie friendly.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
Sorry, what was the point I missed? Did I misread a sarcastic comment as serious?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
> I'm not sure what software you mean. All of the user-facing apps I've seen in Mint are common ones. I'm talking about the software the Mint project develops. Software such as: - Cinnamon - mintMenu - mintNanny - mintInstaller - mintUpdate These are not "common" apps. With the exception of Cinnamon and mintMenu, none of them have been distributed for any system other than Mint and its few derivatives. This isn't an ethical problem, but it does make migration away from Mint more difficult. > As long as the Lens spyware is not installed, I don't see why Unity is a "problem". I was talking about the specific problem of Unity being configured, by default, to send all lens searches to Canonical. This is still the case until Ubuntu 16.04 (which hasn't been released yet). > If people have a good first experience of GNU/Linux by using a user-friendly disto like Mint, they are less likely to panic and go back to Windows (I've seen this happen when people are thrown in the deep end). Once they prove to themselves that GNU/Linux is a viable alternative to Windows, and get used to using it fulltime, then they are ready to be introduced to the differences between distros (including software freedom considerations), and encouraged to try Trisquel or another 100% free distro. But Mint isn't just "GNU/Linux". Mint is Mint. Mint does not do anything to help you transition to a completely libre system, at all, and even goes to lengths to make sure more proprietary software gets installed on your system (heck, there's a utility installed by default which searches for proprietary drivers, even when you don't need them, and tells you to install them). And everything about its look and feel is customized specially, up to and including specialized software. For some reason, you seem to think that Mint is somehow more beginner-friendly, but Ubuntu makes it just as easy as Mint does to install proprietary software. At the same time, it makes it easy to not install proprietary software. This is important. Mint only does the former, and it does so with vigor, such that the latter becomes effectively impossible. If your problem with Ubuntu is Unity's interface not being similar to Windows, you can recommend one of the many Ubuntu variants using different DEs, like Ubuntu MATE.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
On Xfce and Debian the only issue I experienced is pulse related and it is due a dependency which version in Debian has a bug so that it mutes the speakers when you plugin in the headphone or (on another lappy of a friend of mine) when you mute the speakers to 0 it also mutes totally the speakers so you need to re-enable it in pavucontrol.. On both computers the issue was easily solved with **sudo apt purge pulseaudio**
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
not really a good option for me cause i like to use the puluseaudio equalizer and be able to set diff volume levels for diff apps.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
The fact is they have been doing it for years and I agree with the radical stance of the excellent Stallman when he defines Buguntu as spyware. That OS **is** a spyware, the thing is turned on by default. Canonical is a corporation that cares only about money and it is not very different from Micro$oft or Crapple. They don't deserve your trust and people should not trust them. I will never trust them nor will I ever use any of the *untu variants or derivatives. There are better options out there, much better, if security, privacy and ethics are concepts you value enough.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
Ubuntu 16.04 LTS will be very bad version for people who want security and privacy because 16.04 LTS will use "systemd" as default. This "systemd" software suite controls very important processes, and a lot of profesionals ans Linux users are very against this decision because "systemd" is not stable and is not good designed (from a security, privacy point a view) So I think 14.04 is still a safer choice (for a base of Trisquel) then 16.04 because 14.04 doesn't use "systemd" I hope Trisquel will think very carefully about this, because "systemd" is a NO GO for many GNU/Linux users p.s: this "news" that "spaveware" will be dissable is just a way from Ubuntu to turn the negative attention of the systemd spyware as default, to something for positive
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
Trisquel 7 is already based on Ubuntu 14.04... why would there be a new release of Trisquel based on an old Ubuntu release, the same one the previous Trisquel release is based on? That would be nonsensical. systemd is not "spyware". It is not "unsafe". And it's not "a lot of profesionals (sic)" who are against it; it's a minority of die-hard traditionalists. All of the reasons stated against systemd are misguided (like calling a vast collection of programs that do individual tasks "monolithic", when this design is the exact opposite of what "monolithic" really means), and they have absolutely nothing to do with security.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
The problem with Mint is that it includes things like Flash and various codecs, when they really are not necessary even to run people's hardware. It might be user friendly but it really gives people the wrong idea about what GNU/Linux is actually for. Why can't you recommend Trisquel? It is equally user-friendly. And with Trisquel 8 coming soon, Cinnamon desktop environment will most likely be available; according to this page, it is in the 'Universe' repository of Ubuntu: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/cinnamon/ Trisquel's GNOME fallback desktop isreasonably usable as it is. Most people, who use their computers for web-browsing, word-processing, emails and some solitaire are well-catered for without the nasty parts of Mint and Ubuntu and other distributions. The hardware that is often unsupported in Linux-libre is graphics cards and wireless cards. However, in the last 5 years, things have come a long way with Nouveau and more wireless drivers and firmware. Nouveau, for example, is usable for almost all tasks, and Intel have a free driver. It is not constructive to give people something like Mint, when something substantially better exists, and would in all likelihood work for them. If they really want a proprietary application, then there is Wine for Windows programs, or they can download it online (like they have been doing on Windows).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
You say : I didn't read the references given(ie the links above) OK fine,the thread is about Ubuntu=Canonical Company Canonical has registered 3 Companies in the Isle of Man which is a recognized tax haven(read links) My Question here is that this raises anEthical question. + Is spyware an ethical practice? DEFINITION of 'Tax Haven' A country that offers foreign individuals and businesses little or no tax liability in a politically and economically stable environment. Tax havens also provide little or no financial information to foreign tax authorities. Individuals and businesses that do not reside a tax haven can take advantage of these countries' tax regimes to avoid paying taxes in their home countries. Tax havens do not require that an individual reside in or a business operate out of that country in order to benefit from its tax policies. These are non transparent business practices and i consider that this information shows another aspect of the Ubuntu Canonical Company. Unless there is evidence to support that Canonical has obeyed orders from organizations which control this "tax heaven" AFENO Companies do no get orders nor obey to organisations...they purposely register in order to evade tax. Quote: There are many tricks used to shift money offshore, and a pinstriped army of accountants and lawyers to help people do it. The commonest technique is one called transfer pricing, employed by pretty much every multinational. This is how it works. Let’s say a corporation picks and packs a container-load of bananas in Ecuador, and it costs the company $1,000. It sells them to a French supermarket for $3,000. Which country gets to tax the $2,000 profit – France, Ecuador? The answer is, “Where the multinational’s accountants decide.” http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jun/19/tax-havens-money-cayman-islands-jersey-offshore-accounts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg_Leaks
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
True that article doesn't do much to dissipate ...the myth?!
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
Or maybe there's actually myths that need to be debunked... :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
And then we have https://gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
FAQs are common, dispelling myths not so much.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
>sudo doesn't work by default in debian again, nope. Sudo works perfectly fine in Debian. >wifi was glitchy Not here.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
How's that supposed to be any kind of non-nonsensical response to onpon4? It's not going to be such a thing unless there's uneaten kerstkrans in a cat's anus.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
now that i think of it, I later realized this but maybe I should have said certain things don't work properly, sudo for example is disabled, and wifi was glitchy, other than that, meh you might be right... Maybe we should have a trisquel debian version. ;) Two trisquels each made by different people obviously, but both would cover the problems the other doesn't. for example ubuntu has absolutely no hibernation support out of box, and sudo doesn't work by default in debian. IE, two different versions would be cool. there are probably other examples, but those two really annoy me.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
Linux was created in 1991 and liberated one year after that. The Linux Foundation exists only since 2007 so that's a bit of an exaggeration. Canonical has done good things and bad things and should be lauded for the former and reprimanded for the latter.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
The similarity between Windows 10 being gratis (which is not) http://www.pcworld.com/article/2957365/windows/why-windows-10-isnt-really-free-the-subtle-new-world-of-built-in-costs.html & deactivating built in Spyware makes me wonder "Where's the backdoor?" Another surprise is Cannonical has registered in The Isle of Man Companies Registry, Annual Return 2005 for Company no. 110334C (non-distributable, available for a fee of £1.00) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_%28company%29 The Isle of Man is nothing but Tax Evasion heaven(haven) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_haven https://services.gov.im/ded/services/companiesregistry/companysearch.iom?searchby=0&searchtext=canonical&search=Search NameNumber Inc/Reg DateStatus TypeName Status CANONICAL SERVICES LIMITED 003719V 25 Mar 2009 LiveLimited by shares Current CANONICAL LIMITED 110334C 5 Mar 2004 LivePrivate Ltd by Shares Current CANONICAL SOFTWARE 018538B 21 Jul 2004 LiveCurrent
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
Oh, please. systemd is flat-out tiny compared to Linux, which actually is monolithic. I found an article from 2014[1] stating that systemd reached 550,000 lines of code. Linux 4.1 has over 19.5 million lines of code.[2] And as has already been said before, systemd is a collection of about 60 separate programs, so the average number of lines for a given systemd program is less than 10,000. Linux is about 2,000 times bigger than any given systemd component. So, clearly, you need to stop using Linux. Also, you clearly need to stop using anything compiled with GCC, which is also much bigger than systemd; 7.3 million lines in 2012.[3] [1] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY5NjM [2] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-19.5M-Stats [3] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE1OTg
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
Debian installer is identical to installing Trisquel Netinstall Mini if you choose To install in graphical mode..
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
I disagree, ubuntu may have spyware but they have less than, apple, microsoft, google, etc... Also without ubuntu we would still be using debian as its base and that would not attract nearly as many people. (debian is harder to install trust me!) newcomers though will prefer an easy interface over a hard one. but also, its not like you are locked into having ubuntu installed, crapple as you put it and micro$oft as you put it... (well forgetting microsoft for a moment due to it going the road of apple without any kind of security at ALL!) Apple and microsoft are basicially the same now except windows 10 makes apple look good. (not by much i assure you just because malware destroys microsoft quicker.) But i digressed a lot, ubuntu you can escape alot easier than microsoft and apple. so... There is a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel even if you don't see it that way. I personally applaud ubuntu for at least not blocking removing their operating system. would i use it? No... but its at least two steps above the other proprietary systems... MY point though is that ubuntu if you don't like it, get rid of it. apple or microsoft HAH out of luck! at least with windows 10 anyways which will soon be the only supported version... (that's gonna slowly kill them i hope.) but yeah, ubuntu as an os doesn't deserve much trust but neither is it as bad as the other alternatives...
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
So, clearly, you need to stop using Linux... Luckily GNU/Linux gives me the freedom to decide this for myself ;-) So when systemd will be rolled out I have the free choice to block it: Just add in your /etc/apt/preferences, Code: Package: systemd Pin: origin "" Pin-Priority: -1 and I'm afraid I will be not the only one that will do this, "systemd" will separate the Linux community into two (or more) camps... That the freedom we have, and that's the freedom were "GNU/Linux" stands for
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
>debian is harder to install trust me! Nope. The installation is straightforward. Trivially easy, clear and doable even by a granny who never used GNU. Give it a try maybe.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
We being spyed by "club bilderberg"?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
I find it curious a piece of software has a section related to dispelling "the biggest myths". I guess they've at least failed at explaining what their stuff does. Besides that it reminds of the classic Micro$oft "Get the Facts" campaign which among its other merits claimed that * Windows has lower total cost of ownership (TCO) than [GNU/]Linux. It turned out that they were comparing [GNU/]Linux on a very expensive IBM Mainframe to Windows on a PC! * the .NET trading platform that it had developed in partnership with Accenture for the London Stock Exchange, claiming that it provided "five nines" reliability. After suffering extended downtime and unreliability the LSE announced in 2009 that it was planning to drop its Microsoft solution and switch to a [GNU/]Linux-based one in 2010.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
"systemd is free software: anyone claiming there is a spyware in it should point out where. Nobody did." That's the problem "systemd" is such a overkill and complex monster of a program, that nobody can actually control or check it what is going on... So "spyware" can be injected very easy, and nobody will ever find it... Why defend such a kind of a program, with these risks when freedom, privacy and security are two big reasons why people choose for GNU/Linux?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
Testing, testing
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
I use Debian. If it wasn't for Debian you wouldn't have Buguntu and you wouldn't have Trisquel. I don't care at all what Shuttleworth did in the past. That's not the point here. The point is that their privately developed OS is a spyware. cheers
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
Installing Debian was a breeze for me! It's your opinion By The Way
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
It seems you've missed my point.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
Quote: Since we first proposed systemd for inclusion in the distributions it has been frequently discussed in many forums, mailing lists and conferences. In these discussions one can often hear certain myths about systemd, that are repeated over and over again, but certainly don't gain any truth by constant repetition. Let's take the time to debunk a few of them: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
I seriously doubt it. Regarding New Coke, that formula was genuinely favored over both the classic Coke and Pepsi formulas in blind taste-tests, and people to this day enjoy the base of it (Diet Coke; New Coke just took this formula and changed aspartame to sugar). The only reason people were outraged over New Coke was because of a century of propaganda that made people feel strangely connected to Coca-Cola. You would have to believe that the Coca-Cola company is omniscient to be able to pull off a scheme to make this happen on purpose; no rational person would ever expect people to be outraged that you replaced a formula which is declining in popularity because it fails taste-tests, with a formula that wins all taste-tests. Snopes has a nice article about this: http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/newcoke.asp And this case with Unity? I don't think it's really comparable; Canonical didn't replace something with something else and then switch back, they added a feature and then later disabled it by default due to privacy complaints. What's more, Unity was already a thing that replaced something people were familiar with. But realistically, unless your omniscient, how could you possibly predict as a rational actor that adding in an anti-feature and then removing it later would result in a net increase in users? We don't even know that this is going to happen. The thing is, this stunt could easily have cost them recommendations for Ubuntu, as well as users of Ubuntu. But why would you presume that ending it is going to cause more people to want to use or recommend Ubuntu after the fact? You also have to consider the time frame; this controversy started three years ago, and they are only changing the default settings 5 releases later. Even if you really thought that causing a controversy where you disrespect users' privacy and then fix the problem would cause people to start clamoring in support of you for some reason, if you were going to go this route, surely you would fix the problem immediately? As in, at least by the time Ubuntu 13.04 rolled out? Furthermore, the post the OMG! Ubuntu! post referenced doesn't even mention privacy as a factor. The reason Will Cooke says they are turning it off by default is to ease transition from Unity 7 into Unity 8; basically, so that they don't have to worry as much about breaking Unity 7's online search feature during Ubuntu 16.04's support period.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
"Ubuntu Gets Serious About Data Privacy" and blah blah blah. Perhaps this was their plan all along: You get really bad so that when you remove the horribleness people celebrate it and how great you are. Compare, for example conspiracy theories about New Coke.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
Sorry, I don't see how this is related to functional data freedom, perhaps because I didn't read the references given. Unless there is evidence to support that Canonical has obeyed orders from organizations which control this "tax heaven", then I can consider this as a red herring.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
Its all relative. If you didn't have Red Hat (a corporation that makes money), you wouldn't have constant updates to Gnome for Debian. If you didn't have the Linux Foundation (which receives corporate funding), you wouldn't have the kernel for Debian. Desktop GNU/Linux was pretty rough until Ubuntu came along. You can deny that all you want, but that is the reality of things. Deal with it. Ubuntu takes Debian and makes it a little bit more user friendly. You could even say that Ubuntu/Trisquel is more desirable than Debian for desktop use and servers due to the LTS releases having 5 years of support while the Debian releases crap out after 2 years. As for the "spyware", the online searches and communication is disabled by default in Ubuntu 16.04 and no information is sent to Canonical or Amazon. The version in Trisquel, if the team wanted to, could just make that switch to enable the searching disabled and have the servers the dash uses set to null. Its just easy to point fingers (that's what most Free Software people do these days) instead of looking at the bigger picture and trying to make the changes yourself. I do realize I don't have the time and/or technical knowledge to build an OS, but I'm also not going to discredit Canonical for taking a chance in improving the landscape.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
"Canonical is a corporation that cares only about money and it is not very different from Micro$oft or Crapple." If it wasn't for Canonical, you wouldn't have a good base for Trisquel. You would have to be pretty naive to think that you can sustain free/open source software without some sort of financial backing. For the longest time, Canonical was funded purely by Shuttleworth's personal money and they are getting to that point where they can try to make some of that money back with the phones and service contracts. The Ubuntu phones will probably fail, but at least there are some alternatives to Android and IOS.
[Trisquel-users] Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/01/ubuntu-online-search-feature-disabled-16-04 Unity's controversial online search feature is being disabled by default in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, due for release in April. Search terms typed into the Unity 7 Dash search bar will only show local file, folder and app results. No search terms will be sent to Canonical or passed to third party results providers, as is currently the case.
