Re: [Trisquel-users] I noticed that trisquel beta is out.
Don't worry, :) I just found some of the major issues: [[https://www.hyperbola.info/news/end-of-systemd-support/]]. -- - [[https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno]] - Palestrante e consultor sobre /software/ livre (não confundir com gratis). - "WhatsApp"? Ele não é livre. Por favor, use o GNU Ring ou o Tox. - Contato: [[https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno#vCard]] - Arquivos comuns aceitos (apenas sem DRM): Corel Draw, Microsoft Office, MP3, MP4, WMA, WMV. - Arquivos comuns aceitos e enviados: CSV, GNU Dia, GNU Emacs Org, GNU GIMP, Inkscape SVG, JPG, LibreOffice (padrão ODF), OGG, OPUS, PDF (apenas sem DRM), PNG, TXT, WEBM.
Re: [Trisquel-users] I noticed that trisquel beta is out.
Hmm but then why did you edit it? just out of curiosity? xD
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Ah, I looked at the page you spoke of which brings you to here: http://jenkins.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/
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On 29/07/17 01:56, wrote: > interesting, what does this page mean then? > > https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/documentation > > it says there are fresh beta images on documentation. scroll down and > you will see it. That page refers to Trisquel 3 beta... :'-D -- Ignacio Agulló · agu...@ati.es
Re: [Trisquel-users] I noticed that trisquel beta is out.
So if I edit the wiki to say that Trisquel 8 is released, then it is so? :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] I noticed that trisquel beta is out.
interesting, what does this page mean then? https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/documentation it says there are fresh beta images on documentation. scroll down and you will see it.
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You can run Trisquel 8 without systemd as init, e.g. when you upgrade from Trisquel 7 to 8(using upstart). But there are some dependencies with certain packages like dnscrypt (probably more). At some point i couldnt shut down anymore... Not sure if systemd is good or bad, it works on Trisquel 8. I just have a weird feeling about it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] I noticed that trisquel beta is out.
I agree with you.
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Trisquel 8 is in Beta? I see no proof of this...
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Well from what I know, systemd is too complex compared to runit and sysvinit. If you wish to know more about systemd's vulnerabilties, ask Luke the eoma68 dev. He knows far more than I. he did however at one point mention two huge security flaws that went unfixed for long periods of time, here is one example: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/29/systemd_pwned_by_dns_query/ and here is linus' thoughts on systemd: http://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-and-others-on-linuxs-systemd/ and here is another security issue: https://ewontfix.com/14/
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Well, there are people devs, who disagree with that statement due to it being done behind closed doors. meh... once again though, I trust eoma68's dev Luke.
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I don't understand how systemd restricts freedom. There is hardly a piece of software you can use without dependencies. How is that bad? Systemd is not an init is a set of tools. So most desktop environments are using those tools. Avoiding doing the same work twice or more times. Also, by using systemd over a long period of time it is gonna be safer than having lots of fragmented distributions. Bugs and security vulnerabilities are easily found when there are more people working towards improving the software. As you said you don't trust systemd but I don't really see a reason not to.
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systemd doesn't restrict freedom.
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>What about the security issues of systemd/stability issues? Care to elaborate?
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I have seen the same thing happen in education that CalmStorm describes happening to video games downthread. This happened during roughly the same period of time. I can agree to disagree with you. We're fine. No angry ad hominem slinging debates from me. I'm just so tired. I'm also so sad about losing so many friends over political issues. You be you. I wish you well. Congratulations on the Beta release, Ruben! Keep up the good work.
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I have seen the same thing happen in education that CalmStorm describes happening to video games downthread. This happened during roughly the same period of time. I can agree to disagree with you. We're fine. No angry ad hominem slinging debates from me. I'm just so tired. I'm also so sad about losing so many friends over political issues. You be you. I wish you well. Congratulations on the Beta release, Ruben! Keep up the good work.
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>Even devuan took months to be released. Years. It took more than two years.
Re: [Trisquel-users] I noticed that trisquel beta is out.
What security issues? Perhaps it can be fixed. Also, systemd is free/libre software, so at least it has all the essential freedoms of practical/functional data/work in question (the software, that is, systemd). -- - [[https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno]] - Palestrante e consultor sobre /software/ livre (não confundir com gratis). - "WhatsApp"? Ele não é livre, por isso não uso. Iguais a ele prefiro GNU Ring, ou Tox. Quer outras formas de contato? Adicione o vCard que está no endereço acima aos teus contatos. - Pretende me enviar arquivos .doc, .ppt, .cdr, ou .mp3? OK, eu aceito, mas não repasso. Entrego apenas em formatos favoráveis ao /software/ livre. Favor entrar em contato em caso de dúvida.
Re: [Trisquel-users] I noticed that trisquel beta is out.
Solidarity, sister or brother, solidarity. :'''( We do live in interesting times.
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What about the security issues of systemd/stability issues? also, gnome is crap and so is kde. We shouldn't make everything require systemd because of the security issues it has + that is a way to restrict freedom. I really don't trust systemd... that's about it.
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I like systemd though :) there are many reasons. 1.- I like that GNU/Linux world is becoming more standardized. When I started using it 2 years ago, there where a lot of init systems. Lots of default desktops. Lots of way to distribute software. Now suddenly everything is becoming systemd/GNOME/Wayland/Flatpak This is so good. The power of the community is going towards making a few things great. Instead of a lot of "good-enough" And I don't use GNOME. I use i3. The other options will swill exist but the defaults are gonna be really good for the majority. Specially the new ones :) 2.- systemd has lots of great options and tools. It is not a init. It is more than that. It might not follow Unix philosophy. But Unix philosophy isn't a law. And it has some flaws. 3.- It is so much faster than when I started with Ubuntu. My parabola boot time is awesome.
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My understanding is that systemd is so far upstream and gets its claws into so much that posts like this are just going to depress and distract Ruben and really should go in the troll lounge. But what do I know. It is also still extremely controversial and people can get stuck with the debating and things that can be done just don't get done. Belenos uses Upstart. Flidas uses systemd because that is what is upstream. There are other distros that don't use systemd and other developers who care about freedom and are working as hard as they can as fast as they can. Free Slack would be an option as would Parabola as would limping along with less-than-perfect. I don't like it either.
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I didn't understand the last two sentences, but to be honest, I don't use gnome or kde. They both are too much when it comes to how much battery life they drain. Also, I use lightweight desktops. I am not sure what mark shuttleworth plans, but he doesn't seem to like systemd much either.
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Systemd is gonna be really hard to be avoided. GNOME and KDE are developing for it. Even devuan took months to be released. I don't think the amount of time and effort it requires is worth for a project like Trisquel. With cares about easy of use for home and office. Systemd works great for them.
