Re: [TruthTalk] Thus saith YahShua
where's Glenn when we need him? On Sat, 08 Feb 2003 22:16:28 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: ..g, there is a prophet here in TT to whom you should direct this question. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in sum, then, Marlin keeps the Law at least on Saturday; (fair?)Izzy keeps all biblical law literally every day; DavidM keeps it all spiritually (whatever that means); and, MD (and Dr. GT) say/s law keeping is death ftr, what do the Mormons say?-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~
Re: [TruthTalk] For the Record II
butisit required? (ftr, you sound quite uncertain here--why?) On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 08:27:38 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terry, ..I think when I observe the Sabbath I am loving God.
Re: [TruthTalk] For the Record II
Terry, re: 'under Grace', below, is grace is category on a timeline? E.g., where would Moses be without the grace of God(?) On Sat, 8 Feb 2003 23:47:49 -0600 "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Izzy: ..We are under Grace, and it is a good thing,
Re: [TruthTalk] For the Record II/correction
On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 09:57:30 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terry, re: 'under Grace', below, is grace[a] category on a timeline?
Re: [TruthTalk] ftr2/correction
On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:30:39 -0600 "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not certain just what you are asking. Is gracea category on a timeline? E.g., where would Moses be without the grace of God? meansi wonder if you were limiting the grace of God to the present in saying 'we are under grace' (to Izzy) What about Moses(?)--is he justified by keeping the Law or by the grace of God? What does the Scripture teach us?
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Dr. GT could be a good candidate acc to your criteria. Isaiah isn't on TT, is he? On Sun, 09 Feb 2003 09:20:21 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Is Glenn a prophet too? He isn't the one I was referring to. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: where's Glenn when we need him?On Sat, 08 Feb 2003 22:16:28 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: ..g, there is a prophet here in TT to whom you should direct this question.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in sum, then, Marlin keeps the Law at least on Saturday; (fair?)Izzy keeps all biblical law literally every day; DavidM keeps it all spiritually (whatever that means); and, MD (and Dr. GT) say/s law keeping is death ftr, what do the Mormons say? -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~
RE: [TruthTalk] Thus saith YahShua
The Prophet of Doom. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Thus saith YahShua Is Glenn the prophet???
[TruthTalk] Depraved minds
how long one can be under conviction and refuse to repent without God writing that person off Thats the Big Question!!! (I can think of a few that I wish He would have zapped a long time ago!) What happens when God writes them off? Does He kill them, or just let them run around making other people unhappy for the rest of their natural lives? Heres another question: When God turns someone over to a reprobate mind, is there still a chance for them to repent? Could it be a way of trying to get them to repent, by experiencing the full judgment of their depravity? A related question is this: Does God bring the lost under judgment (ie: experiencing the penalty of their rebellion in order to try to get them to repent), or just Believers? Heres another: Have you ever experienced Gods judgment? If so, how did you know it was His judgment? How did you repent? Were you glad it happened afterwards? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 2:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: [TruthTalk] For the Record II/correction I am not certain just what you are asking. There is a time that God turns some over to a reprobate mind, and there is a time for some to fall from grace, but God's desire is for us to finish the race, endure to the end. As to how long one can be under conviction and refuse to repent without God writing that person off, I have no idea, but I suspect that He is farmore patient than me. Terry On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 09:57:30 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terry, re: 'under Grace', below, is grace[a] category on a timeline?
Re: [TruthTalk] Depraved minds
If they are under conviction then they are still being drawn by the Holy Spirit. As long as the HS is drawing them then God hasn't written them off. Laura how long one can be under conviction and refuse to repent without God writing that person off That’s the Big Question!!! (I can think of a few that I wish He would have zapped a long time ago!) What happens when God “writes them off”? Does He kill them, or just let them run around making other people unhappy for the rest of their natural lives? Here’s another question: When God turns someone over to a reprobate mind, is there still a chance for them to repent? Could it be a way of trying to get them to repent, by experiencing the full judgment of their depravity? A related question is this: Does God bring the lost under judgment (ie: experiencing the penalty of their rebellion in order to try to get them to repent), or just Believers? Here’s another: Have you ever experienced God’s judgment? If so, how did you know it was His judgment? How did you repent? Were you glad it happened afterwards? Izzy
Re: [TruthTalk] For the Record II
you're saying Law keeping isunrequiredfor salvation from Hell: On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 17:41:46 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: required? ..the answer is no[t any more than if you violate any other Commandment.]
Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: [TruthTalk] ftr2/correction
Scripture teaches that no one has ever been able to keep the law. Grace was available to Adam. Terry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 4:29 PM Subject: **Possible_Spam** Re: [TruthTalk] ftr2/correction On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:30:39 -0600 "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not certain just what you are asking. Is gracea category on a timeline? E.g., where would Moses be without the grace of God? meansi wonder if you were limiting the grace of God to the present in saying 'we are under grace' (to Izzy) What about Moses(?)--is he justified by keeping the Law or by the grace of God? What does the Scripture teach us?
RE: [TruthTalk] For the Record II
Im saying that no one, other than Jesus Himself, ever kept ALL of the Law. Yet we can be saved by His Blood sacrifice. However, that does not mean that we should disregard the Law. We should keep it as much as we possibly can (and this only possible as we abide in Him and thus we can bear much fruit). Thats whether you want to itemize the Commandments, or obey the Big Two. Do you disagree? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 6:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] For the Record II you're saying Law keeping isunrequiredfor salvation from Hell: On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 17:41:46 -0600 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: required? ..the answer is no[t any more than if you violate any other Commandment.]
RE: [TruthTalk] Depraved minds
That wasnt his question. He wants to know how long before God does write them off? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 5:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Depraved minds If they are under conviction then they are still being drawn by the Holy Spirit. As long as the HS is drawing them then God hasn't written them off. Laura how long one can be under conviction and refuse to repent without God writing that person off Thats the Big Question!!! (I can think of a few that I wish He would have zapped a long time ago!) What happens when God writes them off? Does He kill them, or just let them run around making other people unhappy for the rest of their natural lives? Heres another question: When God turns someone over to a reprobate mind, is there still a chance for them to repent? Could it be a way of trying to get them to repent, by experiencing the full judgment of their depravity? A related question is this: Does God bring the lost under judgment (ie: experiencing the penalty of their rebellion in order to try to get them to repent), or just Believers? Heres another: Have you ever experienced Gods judgment? If so, how did you know it was His judgment? How did you repent? Were you glad it happened afterwards? Izzy
Re: [TruthTalk] Depraved minds
how long one can be under conviction and refuse to repent without God writing that person off Thats the Big Question!!! (I can think of a few that I wish He would have zapped a long time ago!) What happens when God writes them off? Does He kill them, or just let them run around making other people unhappy for the rest of their natural lives? Possibly both. I know of one pastor who simply said "I cannot believe this any more and walked off the Job". Last I heard, he was still alive. Heres another question: When God turns someone over to a reprobate mind, is there still a chance for them to repent? Could it be a way of trying to get them to repent, by experiencing the full judgment of their depravity? Just do not know. If I ever had the answer, I have forgotten it. I would assume that when you become reprobate, you no longer yearn for spiritual things or relationships, and are given over to your lusts. A related question is this: Does God bring the lost under judgment (ie: experiencing the penalty of their rebellion in order to try to get them to repent), or just Believers? The prisons are full of people who will testify to exactly that. I taught the Gospel of John at a local prison, and heard several men testify that it was God's love for them that caused them to be caught and punished, and they praised HIm for doing it. Heres another: Have you ever experienced Gods judgment? If so, how did you know it was His judgment? How did you repent? Were you glad it happened afterwards? Again, I am not sure. I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to picking up hints or clues, so God could give me the flu or a broken leg to tell me something, and unless the Holy Spirit spelled it out on the bathroom mirror while I was shaving, I probably would not get the message. I believe that the younger generation calls this "clueless". Terry Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 2:31 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: [TruthTalk] For the Record II/correction I am not certain just what you are asking. There is a time that God turns some over to a reprobate mind, and there is a time for some to fall from grace, but God's desire is for us to finish the race, endure to the end. As to how long one can be under conviction and refuse to repent without God writing that person off, I have no idea, but I suspect that He is farmore patient than me. Terry On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 09:57:30 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terry, re: 'under Grace', below, is grace[a] category on a timeline? IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [TruthTalk] Thus saith YahShua
DAVEH: Izzy...Was that a typo? Did you mean "gloom" instead? Ya know, if we talk enough about GT behind his back, maybe his ears will start itching and he'll return to TT!!! VBG> ShieldsFamily wrote: The Prophet of Doom. Izzy Is Glenn the prophet??? -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~
Re: [TruthTalk] For the Record II
what's the relationship betw keeping the Law and breaking it(?)--an insightyou mayrequire to explain how Jesus behaved On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:10:04 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Im saying that no one, other than Jesus Himself, ever kept ALL of the Law.
Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: [TruthTalk] ftr2/correction
On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:09:47 -0600 "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripture teaches that no one has ever been able to keep the law. Grace was available to Adam. Terry -- ftr, Izzydiffers with you (but i doubt she'llterm it spam :-) -- On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:10:04 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Im saying that no one, other than Jesus Himself, ever kept ALL of the Law
RE: [TruthTalk] Thus saith YahShua
I think if we just keep talking heresy he wont be able to stay away. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 8:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Thus saith YahShua DAVEH: Izzy...Was that a typo? Did you mean gloom instead? Ya know, if we talk enough about GT behind his back, maybe his ears will start itching and he'll return to TT!!! VBG ShieldsFamily wrote: The Prophet of Doom. Izzy Is Glenn the prophet??? -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~
RE: [TruthTalk] For the Record II
As far as I can tell, there is no relationship between keeping the Law and breaking it. What relationship does light have with darkness? Polar opposites. I have no idea what the last half of your question means eitherpar for the course, as hardly anything you say ever makes sense to me. I guess that must be my fault. J Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 9:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] For the Record II what's the relationship betw keeping the Law and breaking it(?)--an insightyou mayrequire to explain how Jesus behaved On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:10:04 -0600 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Im saying that no one, other than Jesus Himself, ever kept ALL of the Law.
Re: [TruthTalk] Thus saith YahShua
DAVEH: I think he'd come back quicker if he thought I was trying to convert you to Mormonism, Izzy! ShieldsFamily wrote: I think if we just keep talking heresy he wont be able to stay away. Izzy DAVEH: Izzy...Was that a typo? Did you mean "gloom" instead? Ya know, if we talk enough about GT behind his back, maybe his ears will start itching and he'll return to TT!!! VBG> ShieldsFamily wrote: The Prophet of Doom. Izzy Is Glenn the prophet??? -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~
