Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells

[Kevin Deegan]

while I have been onpoint
Arrogance and conceit
brotherly love
LOL[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



You don't have any idea what we are talking about, do you, Kevin. You seem to be motivated by whatever comes to mind while I have been onpoint, discussing hatefulness in speech, brotherly love, the impossibility of eternal judgments. If you can't keep up, get out of the race. 

Jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 20 May 2005 20:22:43 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells



You are so Judgemental![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Then, again, there is that old saying about hating your brother and being in darkness. -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:27:32 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells



You know the old saying about the kitchen...Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Reading some fifty or so CW messages consecutively, one cannot but note anincreasing ability to handle some of the #*% issuing from the 'cyber mouths'of the fundies.- Original Message - From: "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: May 17, 2005 20:36Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells Well folks, it's been mostly fun but I've gotta go. I'm spending too much time here and it's not good since I have to clean up my condo, put it onthe market and move in a few short weeks. Things are just too busy. So I'llbid you all a fond farewell. JD, Bill, it's been a real pleasure getting to know you. Judy, Izzy, David take care of yourselves. There are several others here that I didn't talk to as much mostly because of time
 constraints. I hope things go well for you and yours. lt; BR Kevin, thanks for all the exchanges. You've sharpened me as iron sharpens iron. From now on, I won't be afraid to tangle with any KJV toting fundamentalist! I feel very light hearted about that. It was a season but one that has blessed me. Love and God Bless, Caroline -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you mayknow how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have afriend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer
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Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation

[Kevin Deegan]

I did not expect to dwell this long on the subject.
Don't worry, he I mean it will haunt you forever on TT
Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

tell what what you think I should have included to resolve this issue.
I was only looking for an explanation for your language. Your responses seemed sarcastic in a way that I took as condescention or defensiveness, and I wanted to let you know how you seemed. It was offensive to me, because I felt that had not solicited any sarcasim. (That's what I meant when I said I did not provoke "any of this." I'll try to include a better word than "this" next time.)

If I think you are stupid, I will most certainly let you know. But I have not come to that conclusion, as of yet.

Eh. I'm satisfied with that. (Even though your wording troubles me a little bit, because I said "stupid question," not that I was stupid, but it's fine.)

I would like very much to continue the discussion. I apologize for the tangent, I did not expect to dwell this long on the subject. But perhaps, JD, you see now why I chafed at your sarcasim? I will try to become more tough-skinned, and trust that you are considering my thoughts as well. 

Which, since we are continuing the discussion, I would like to ask: So you accept 1 Cor. 2:15 (But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man)? I'm afraid I didn't understand why you accept it only if I accept 2 Cor. 3:6. The letter killeth, the spirit giveth life. I definately agree. But what do you mean here by including the verse? Am I doing something by the letter in my application of 2 Cor. 2:15? 

Blessings

Christine
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Do me a small favor, Christine -- read my post included below and tell what what you think I should have included to resolve this issue. Your sentence below But therespect is not reciprocal, and I have provoked none of this. is puzzling to me. You have "provoked none of what?"
You ask Wouldn't that comment implythat you think I asked astupid question? I have no problem saying what I mean to say, Christine. If I think you are stupid, I will most certainly let you know. But I have not come to that conclusion, as of yet. The short answer to your question is OF COURSE NOT. Now, shall we continue the discussion? 

Jd



- Original Message - 
From: Christine Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: May 20, 2005 09:45
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation

My advice to you is to stick to the subject - a judge of character may not be your long suit.
There! Right there. That's what I mean. "Stop your bickering little girl, you're too simple to know if I am being genuine with you or not." 

JD, I'm not trying to change the subject, I'm justgetting frustrated when I present ideas to you respectfully, and you respond to my questions with something like, "What do youthink I meant when I said that?" Wouldn't that comment implythat you think I asked astupid question? Perhaps itwas a little young of menot to know what you meant there, I don't know. But therespect is not reciprocal, and I have provoked none of this. 

The reason I raise this issue instead of just not replying to your posts, is because I would really like both ofus on this board to interact productively. Our presencehere shouldbe fruitful. But if you continue to condescend to me in your heart, then I don't wish to discuss things with you, because there is nothing I can do thento communicate effectively with you. I feel as though you're putting on a charade: you don't weigh my ideas for any truth, you jump to sarcastic remarks. JD, I do consider what you write, even if I don't end up agreeing with you, I will flip to Mat. 7 and see if that verse applies to a larger audiance than the hypocrites, and I stopped to think if we were all hypocrites, and so still applied to us. But you don't, JD. You just fire back defenses and rebuttals. 

Am I still misreading you? I really didn't wish to dwell on this, but if we don't approach one another with a proper attitude, how can we communicate effectively? Perhaps I will becomesarcastic and defensive after becoming along-time member of TT, but right now I am still new and still hopeful ofseeing some good discussions.

Blessings,

Christine

PS-And I didn't know whether or not I should mention this, but... isn't it "strong suit?"
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Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

JD wrote:
What do you think the difference is?
I don't know, JD! That's why I asked! If I knew what you meant when you said that, I would not have asked you what you meant. 

Reconciliation: to bring together in love and friendship.
Save : to move away from self destructive behavior.


I'm getting frustrated here, andI have to ask: whythe condescention? It's mean and unproductive. My asking you what you think is the very opposite of condenscention. And not a bit of meanness.My advice to you is to stick to the subject - a judge of character may not be 

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

[Kevin Deegan]

You don't have any idea what we are talking about, do you, Kevin. You seem to be motivated by whatever comes to mind while I have been onpoint

You get so confused, Linda.I'll bet you are the kind of person who starts thinking about what you want to say just as soon as someone else starts talking.
you have an "eye" problem JD
psycho analeyes 101

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You get so confused, Linda. It was not my opinion but Lance's. I'll bet you are the kind of person who starts thinking about what you want to say just as soon as someone else starts talking. That seems to explain how you can get so confused and off point. Pay attention -- but finish drying off first. 

JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 20 May 2005 22:26:22 -0500Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism






Let me guess—You had that opinion before she ever said a word on TT, right? How’d I guess? Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 9:09 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism




Expressing an opinion and "name calling" are two very different things -- but you know this.
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Note the Liberal name-calling. 







From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, May 20, 2005 3:23 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism




I dunno David, Christine sounds pretty brainwashed to me.



- Original Message - 


From: David Miller 


To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 


Sent: May 18, 2005 09:13


Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism






Caroline Wong wrote:


 Words wound, David.





Words that wound one person might alsoheal and liberate another person. Jesus said, "blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me." We cannot judge the value of words based upon whether or not somebody in society does not like them. This is Liberty 101.





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Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation

[Kevin Deegan]

both of the male persuasion
JUDY  IZZY, do you see what he said about you?
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Christine - I am 60 years old and have been a disciplesince 1957. My humor nearly always leans towards the sarcastic. Tough skin would be a definite help. I use sarcasm much less today than a month ago. A closer walk (I call it immersion) has convinced me to ease up. And I have -- save for two individuals on this forum - both of the male persuasion. 


Which, since we are continuing the discussion, I would like to ask: So you accept 1 Cor. 2:15 (But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man)? I'm afraid I didn't understand why you accept it only if I accept 2 Cor. 3:6. The letter killeth, the spirit giveth life. I definately agree. But what do you mean here by including the verse? Am I doing something by the letter in my application of 2 Cor. 2:15? 

3:6 is a part of the contextual consideration of the larger passage. We are about the assignment of spreading the fragance of His knowledge in every place - ministering the contrast that is seen in the law verses the Spirit. The conveyance of that contrast is included int he "fragrance" that we are assinged to spead. 

JD


-Original Message-From: Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 20 May 2005 21:26:10 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation



tell what what you think I should have included to resolve this issue.
I was only looking for an explanation for your language. Your responses seemed sarcastic in a way that I took as condescention or defensiveness, and I wanted to let you know how you seemed. It was offensive to me, because I felt that had not solicited any sarcasim. (That's what I meant when I said I did not provoke "any of this." I'll try to include a better word than "this" next time.)

If I think you are stupid, I will most certainly let you know. But I have not come to that conclusion, as of yet.

Eh. I'm satisfied with that. (Even though your wording troubles me a little bit, because I said "stupid question," not that I was stupid, but it's fine.)

I would like very much to continue the discussion. I apologize for the tangent, I did not expect to dwell this long on the subject. But perhaps, JD, you see now why I chafed at your sarcasim? I will try to become more tough-skinned, and trust that you are considering my thoughts as well. 

Which, since we are continuing the discussion, I would like to ask: So you accept 1 Cor. 2:15 (But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man)? I'm afraid I didn't understand why you accept it only if I accept 2 Cor. 3:6. The letter killeth, the spirit giveth life. I definately agree. But what do you mean here by including the verse? Am I doing something by the letter in my application of 2 Cor. 2:15? 

Blessings

Christine
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Do me a small favor, Christine -- read my post included below and tell what what you think I should have included to resolve this issue. Your sentence below But therespect is not reciprocal, and I have provoked none of this. is puzzling to me. You have "provoked none of what?"
You ask Wouldn't that comment implythat you think I asked astupid question? I have no problem saying what I mean to say, Christine. If I think you are stupid, I will most certainly let you know. But I have not come to that conclusion, as of yet. The short answer to your question is OF COURSE NOT. Now, shall we continue the discussion? 

Jd



- Original Message - 
From: Christine Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: May 20, 2005 09:45
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation

My advice to you is to stick to the subject - a judge of character may not be your long suit.
There! Right there. That's what I mean. "Stop your bickering little girl, you're too simple to know if I am being genuine with you or not." 

JD, I'm not trying to change the subject, I'm justgetting frustrated when I present ideas to you respectfully, and you respond to my questions with something like, "What do youthink I meant when I said that?" Wouldn't that comment implythat you think I asked astupid question? Perhaps itwas a little young of menot to know what you meant there, I don't know. But therespect is not reciprocal, and I have provoked none of this. 

The reason I raise this issue instead of just not replying to your posts, is because I would really like both ofus on this board to interact productively. Our presencehere shouldbe fruitful. But if you continue to condescend to me in your heart, then I don't wish to discuss things with you, because there is nothing I can do thento communicate effectively with you. I feel as though you're putting on a charade: you don't weigh my ideas for any truth, you jump to sarcastic remarks.. JD, I do consider what you write, even if I don't end up agreeing with you, I will flip to Mat. 7 and see 

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

[Kevin Deegan]

I don't let it worry me much. 

Spring 1895 General ConferenceWilford Woodruff Cease troubling yourselvesabout who God is; who Adam is, who Christ is, who Jehovah is. For heaven's sake, let these things alone. Why trouble yourselves about these things? God has revealed himself andwhen the 121st section of the Doctrine and Covenants is fulfilled, whether there be ONE God or many Gods they will be revealed to the children of men, as well as all thrones and dominions, principalities, and powers. Then why trouble yourselves about these things? God is God. Christ is Christ. The Holy Ghost is the Holy Ghost. That should be enough for you and me to know. If we want to know anymore, wait till we get where God is in person. I say this because we are troubled every little while with inquiries from Elders anxious to know who God is, who Christ is, and who Adam is.
 I say to the Elders of Israel, stop this. Humble yourselves before the Lord; seek for light, for truth, and for a knowledge of the common things of the Kingdom of God. The Lord is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He changes not. The Son of God is the same. He is the Savior of the world. He is our advocate with the Father. We have had letter after letter from Elders abroad wanting to know concerning these things. Adam is the first man. He was placed in the Garden of Eden, and is our great progenitor. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost, are the same yesterday, today, and forever. That should be sufficient to know. (Millennial Star 57:355-356, April 7, 1895)
April of 1889, George Q. CannonGeneral Conference: There are TWO personages, the Father and the Son. God is the being who walked in the Garden of Eden, and who talkedwith the prophets. This revelation came to us in certainty. (Millennial Star 51:278; April 7, 1889)
Brigham Young, in a sermon in the tabernacle in Salt Lake City on April 9, 1852, said: "When our Father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days, and about whom holy men have written and spoken. He is our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." Of "His son, Jesus Christ," Brigham Young said: I tell you that God was the Father of Jesus Christ, just as I am the Father of my son."
Some have grumbled because I believe our God so near to us as Father Adam. (JD 5:331)

How much unbelief exists in the minds of the Latter-day Saints in regard to one particular doctrine which I revealed to them, and which God revealed to me -- namely that Adam is our Father and God -- I do not know, I do not inquire, I care nothing about it. Our Father Adam helped to make this earth, it was created expressly for him, and after it was made he and his companions came here. (Deseret Weekly News 22:308-309, June 18, 1873)
Michael (Adam) was a resurrected being and he left Elohim and came to the earth with an immortal body, and continued so till he partook of earthly food and begat children whowere mortal (keep this to yourselves) and then they died. (Wilford Woodruff Journal, January 27, 1860)In the 1870 meeting of the School of the Prophets, Brigham counseled: "... the brethren to meditate on the subject, pray about it and keep it to yourselves." (Joseph F. Smith Journal,October 15, 1870)Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Charles Perry Locke wrote: 
Dave,  I see a dilemma in your statement that Jesus was a god before he came to earth as a human, when compared to your own position (not a god) prior to coming to earth as a human. In my non-mormon mind that is contradictive. I am trying to understand how YOU resolve that conflict. I want to see if you have an answer I can find REASONABLE,DAVEH: Perryit doesn't matter what answer I give youyou won't find it reasonable. You've made it quite clear that even a truth spoken from the lips of a Mormon is to be abused. For what possible reason do you need to have an answer that seems reasonable, Perry. Look at it logically...You believe LDS theology is wrong. So why do you waste your time trying to understand it? Your previous attitude has been to attack anything emanating from Mormonism, even
 if it is true. So...I can explain my beliefs to you in detail, but your attitude towards them (and me) will remain the same, will it not? You cannot conceive that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is as we claim, the True Churchso why would you possibly want to know how I resolve conflicts of beliefs that you perceive to be false. As I see it, there are two possible reasons for you to ask such a question knowing that you wouldn't agree with the answer. If you have a similar curiosity as I do to why people believe as they do, then you might want to know what is there about Mormonism that attracts people or why Mormons tend to be so committed to their peculiar beliefs. On the other hand, if you firmly believe 

Re: [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

[Kevin Deegan]

WHAT HAPPENED to RAYMOND??

He did not even say BYE.

Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Terry--
I took the time to explain to you what my Church teaches on this subject. Please take the time to explain what you believe on this subject.
--RaymondTerry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bothoms wrote: 


Hi Terry–
I’m glad to see that you are open-minded and willing to let me respond to these questions. If you don’t mind, I’d like to answer these questions one at a time.
DO LATTER-DAY SAINTS BELIEVE THAT JESUS AND SATAN ARE OR WERE BROTHERS?
To give a proper answer, this will take a bit of explanation. First, most non-LDS Christians believe in the pre-mortality of Jesus. We do also. We also believe that all who live on this earth, past and present, lived before with God in Heaven. We believe that God is literally the Father of our spirits.
"Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?" (Heb 12:9)
"Have we not all one father?..." (Mal 2:10a)
"One God and Father of all..." (Eph 4:6a)
"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." (Eccl 12:7)
Being children of God we were all brothers and sisters. Jesus, known as Jehovah in the OT, was our Father’s firstborn.
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. (Heb 1:6)
In mortality, Jesus would be God’s Only Begotten.
Jeremiah was informed that he lived before he was born.
"Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations." (Jer 1:4-5)
Our Father presented a plan to us.
"And the Lord God spake unto Moses, saying: The heavens, they are many, and they cannot be numbered unto man; but they are numbered unto me, for they are mine. And as one earth shall pass away, and the heavens thereof even so shall another come; and there is no end to my works, neither to my words. For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man." (Moses 1:38-40)
While we were in the presence of God we walked by sight; now, our memories are taken away and we walk by faith.
"There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after." (Eccl 1:11)
"And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and he said unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell; and we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them; and they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever." (Abr 4:24-26)
Lucifer seeks power.
"For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne about the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most high." (Isa 14:13-14)
A Savior is Chosen.
"And I, the Lord God, sake unto Moses, saying: That Satan, whom thou hast commanded in the name on mine Only Begotten, is the same which was from the beginning, and he came before me, saying—Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor. But, behold, my Beloved Son, which was my Beloved and Chosen from the beginning, said unto me—Father, thy will be done, and the glory be thine forever. Wherefore, because that Satan rebelled against me, and sought to destroy the agency of man, which I, the Lord God, had given him, and also, that I should give unto him mine own power; by the power of mine Only Begotten, I caused that he should be cast down;..." (Moses 4:1-3)
"And the Lord said: Whom shall I send? And one answered like unto the Son of Man: Here am I, send me. And another answered and said: Here am I, send me. And the Lord said: I will send the first. And the second was angry, and kept not his first estate; and at that day, many followed after him." (Abr 4:27-28)
War in Heaven.
"And there was a war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their pace found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." (Rev 12:7-9)

Re: [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

[Charles Perry Locke]

I emailed Raymond to ask him when we would see him again on TT and I don't 
think he would mind me sharing wth all that he replied, I don't have time 
to keep up with all of the email.  I also tired of re-answering questions, 
again and again, that I've already answered. I can understand his 
frustration! That is the nature of TT.


Perry


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Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 05:27:15 -0700 (PDT)

WHAT HAPPENED to RAYMOND??

He did not even say BYE.



Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Terry--
I took the time to explain to you what my Church teaches on this subject.  
Please take the time to explain what you believe on this subject.

--Raymond

Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bothoms wrote:
Hi Terry–

I’m glad to see that you are open-minded and willing to let me respond to 
these questions. If you don’t mind, I’d like to answer these questions one 
at a time.


DO LATTER-DAY SAINTS BELIEVE THAT JESUS AND SATAN ARE OR WERE BROTHERS?

To give a proper answer, this will take a bit of explanation. First, most 
non-LDS Christians believe in the pre-mortality of Jesus. We do also. We 
also believe that all who live on this earth, past and present, lived 
before with God in Heaven. We believe that God is literally the Father of 
our spirits.


Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we 
gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the 
Father of spirits, and live? (Heb 12:9)


Have we not all one father?... (Mal 2:10a)

One God and Father of all... (Eph 4:6a)

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall 
return unto God who gave it. (Eccl 12:7)


Being children of God we were all brothers and sisters. Jesus, known as 
Jehovah in the OT, was our Father’s firstborn.


And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, 
And let all the angels of God worship him. (Heb 1:6)


In mortality, Jesus would be God’s Only Begotten.

Jeremiah was informed that he lived before he was born.

Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Before I formed thee in 
the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I 
sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. (Jer 
1:4-5)


Our Father presented a plan to us.

And the Lord God spake unto Moses, saying: The heavens, they are many, and 
they cannot be numbered unto man; but they are numbered unto me, for they 
are mine. And as one earth shall pass away, and the heavens thereof even so 
shall another come; and there is no end to my works, neither to my words. 
For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality 
and eternal life of man. (Moses 1:38-40)


While we were in the presence of God we walked by sight; now, our memories 
are taken away and we walk by faith.


There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any 
remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after. 
(Eccl 1:11)


And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and he said unto 
those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we 
will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may 
dwell; and we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things 
whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them; and they who keep their 
first estate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate 
shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first 
estate; and they who keep their second estate shall have glory added upon 
their heads for ever and ever. (Abr 4:24-26)


Lucifer seeks power.

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt 
my throne about the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the 
congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of 
the clouds; I will be like the most high. (Isa 14:13-14)


A Savior is Chosen.

And I, the Lord God, sake unto Moses, saying: That Satan, whom thou hast 
commanded in the name on mine Only Begotten, is the same which was from the 
beginning, and he came before me, saying—Behold, here am I, send me, I will 
be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, 
and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor. But, behold, my 
Beloved Son, which was my Beloved and Chosen from the beginning, said unto 
me—Father, thy will be done, and the glory be thine forever. Wherefore, 
because that Satan rebelled against me, and sought to destroy the agency of 
man, which I, the Lord God, had given him, and also, that I should give 
unto him mine own power; by the power of mine Only Begotten, I caused that 
he should be cast down;... (Moses 4:1-3)


And the Lord said: Whom shall I send? And one answered like unto the Son 
of Man: 

[TruthTalk] Protestantism for Dummies

[Charles Perry Locke]

Can you beleive it? I saw Protestantism for Dummies in Barnes and Noble 
the other day. I sat down and read few sections...I wanted to know what they 
believe, too! Especially info about the 2nd Great Awakening. There was some 
major spiritual activity going on around that time. Many heretical sects 
sprung up during the early 1800s, and I am interested in what was going on 
at that time to cause that. Anyone have any knowledge about the spiritual 
atmosphere around the 2nd Great Awakening?


Perry


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Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells

[knpraise]

Alrighty  let's try this again. You, Kevin Deegan, are the one who sets the tone for so much of the discussion.Its kind of like the Jew and the Arab thing ---others the Jew and you the Arab. If you would stop the suicide bombings (read: self destructive behavior), speak out of love and hope to those with whom you have a disagreement, you would findthose very things (love and hope) coming back to you . Go back and read the last 15 or so posts between you and Caroline. She stays on point --you go postal in every case. You treated her like a jerk, not caring enough about her supposed error(s) to patiently reason with her.Then there are those whom you can't run off with your bully tactics -- Lance, Gary, my humble self - and you really hate that.
p; The plan is this: blastaway and get rid of those eviile false teachers and life will be good. That is your plan. Do you realize that youare the only one on this forum who acts this way? As much as Miller and I dislike each other, I must say that in spite of his condescension, he does not come close to your style ofnastiness. Izzy disagreed with Caroline, but was often gracious with her. Ditto for Judy. You are it. The only one. Those who do not love the brethren on in darkness until now. 

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 21 May 2005 04:37:01 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells



while I have been onpoint
Arrogance and conceit
brotherly love
LOL[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



You don't have any idea what we are talking about, do you, Kevin. You seem to be motivated by whatever comes to mind while I have been onpoint, discussing hatefulness in speech, brotherly love, the impossibility of eternal judgments. If you can't keep up, get out of the race. 

Jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 20 May 2005 20:22:43 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells



You are so Judgemental![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Then, again, there is that old saying about hating your brother and being in darkness. -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:27:32 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells



You know the old saying about the kitchen...Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Reading some fifty or so CW messages consecutively, one cannot but note anincreasing ability to handle some of the #*% issuing from the 'cyber mouths'of the fundies.- Original Message - From: "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: May 17, 2005 20:36Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells Well folks, it's been mostly fun but I've gotta go. I'm spending too much time here and it's not good since I have to clean up my condo, put it onthe market and move in a few short weeks. Things are just too busy. So I'llbid you all a fond farewell. JD, Bill, it's been a real pleasure getting to know you. Judy, Izzy, Davi
d take care of yourselves. There are several others here that I didn't talk to as much mostly because of time constraints. I hope things go well for you and yours. lt; BR Kevin, thanks for all the exchanges. You've sharpened me as iron sharpens iron. From now on, I won't be afraid to tangle with any KJV toting fundamentalist! I feel very light hearted about that. It was a season but one that has blessed me. Love and God Bless, Caroline -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you mayknow how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have afriend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list , send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Re: [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

[Terry Clifton]

Kevin Deegan wrote:


WHAT HAPPENED to RAYMOND??
 
He did not even say BYE.
 
===


Hopefully, he is reexamining what he believes, but he is probably just 
busy.  He can't leave.  He hasn't eaten us for lunch yet.

Terry

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[TruthTalk] TT Trivia

[Charles Perry Locke]

TT members,

  Did you know that TT has a photo page? Most of you probably do know that, 
but for those that do not, check it out at http://innglory.org. Then click 
on the Photos link, then List members.


  As I glanced through the pictures, and noticed a new picture or two since 
the last time I looked, being able to attach faces to the names gave me real 
appreciation for all of you. We often hide behind the anonymity of the 
itnernet, recognizable in name only, most likely posting and speaking 
differently than we would if we were face-to-face. But, when we attach a 
face to the name, it makes a world of difference. The name at the other end 
of the wire now becomes a human being. I have noticed a similar effect on 
the crowded freeways of Los Angeles. When I use only my turn signal to 
indicate that I wish to merge into another lane, fery few will open up to 
let me in. But when I open my window, and turn and look the other driver in 
the eye, and motion to get in, I have NEVER been refused. Demonstrable proof 
that the eyes are the window to the soul.


  I encourage everyone to do two things. First, go to the TT photo page and 
take a look at the members who have posted their pictures. Take a long look 
at each of them. Look a their eyes. Tell me if it does not make a difference 
in at least some small way.


  Second, if your picture is not on the page, consider forwarding one to 
David to be added. Let us get a good look at you. Let us begin to think of 
you in a more humane way, rather than as just a name at the end of the wire.


 One final note. When you look at the picture of David and his family, try 
to pick Christine out (it is not difficult). Then, click on her name and 
watch the video of her graduation.


Perry


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[TruthTalk] Where have all the non-fundies gone save (excepting)

[Lance Muir]

the Bishop and the 'myth man'? Ya gots the 
Amen corner patting one another on the back while the sub text includes mutual 
monologues (not a dialogue) between Mormons and those who seek to 'gospelize' 
them.The Mormons themselves attempt to walk some sort of line between 
identifying themselves as the one true 'recovered' church and calling themselves 
'christians'. Not gonna do it, in any orthodox sense, while preaching the Jesus 
they preach.

Just look at who you 'frustrated' off TT: Slade, 
Bill, Jonathan, Caroline and Debbie. Unlike myself, they could both write and, 
had something to say worth engaging.

Wake up O thou that sleepest! Do not walk off into 
the sunset of oblivion needlessly. 

Re: [TruthTalk] Where have all the non-fundies gone save (excepting)

[Kevin Deegan]

Just look at who you 'frustrated' off TT: Slade, Bill, Jonathan, Caroline and Debbie. Unlike myself, they could both write and, had something to say worth engaging.
So go start your own "boored" 
Call it LT

Wake up O thou that sleepest! Do not walk off into the sunset of oblivion needlessly. 


Ep 5:14 "Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light."
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




the Bishop and the 'myth man'? Ya gots the Amen corner patting one another on the back while the sub text includes mutual monologues (not a dialogue) between Mormons and those who seek to 'gospelize' them.The Mormons themselves attempt to walk some sort of line between identifying themselves as the one true 'recovered' church and calling themselves 'christians'. Not gonna do it, in any orthodox sense, while preaching the Jesus they preach.

Just look at who you 'frustrated' off TT: Slade, Bill, Jonathan, Caroline and Debbie. Unlike myself, they could both write and, had something to say worth engaging.

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Re: [TruthTalk] Where have all the non-fundies gone save (excepting)

[Terry Clifton]

Lance Muir wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
  
  Just look at who you 'frustrated'
off TT: Slade, Bill, Jonathan, Caroline and Debbie. Unlike myself, they
could both write and, had something to say worth engaging.
  
  Wake up O thou that sleepest! Do not
walk off into the sunset of oblivion needlessly.

===
If what they had to say had been of any importance, I would have
encouraged them to stay, but it would appear that those folks were more
interested in showing how well read they were than anything else. In
my opinion, they were confused, or misled, or both.
Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] Where have all the non-fundies gone save (excepting)

[knpraise]

Life on the religious right is all about eliminating the competition. We are not family members with differing ideas -- rather we are competitors to be shunned and even abandoned. The RR speaks of truth but without love -- even making fun of the concept or defining it (love) into non-existence. 

Their lives (the fundies ) are full of busy work -- "Com'on, HURRY. We must pray this tornado into Quaker country. Let them deal with the death and ravage." Or we fill our plate up with the busy work of posted review: "Nah, darl'in - no time for fun and games tonight. I have to review TT . God has called me to be a protector of the truth and has ordained tactics that, if Hitler had been a Bishop, he would have used. If I persist, they will leave -- to hell with winning them over. See you in the morning, my dove pumkin." Or we think to make claims that can never be tested (as in test the spirits ) and are not that important anyway. "And if the 'visitors' should ever use any of our tactics
, well, well, SHAME on them!! We are the enlightened. We say it all right. We think it all right. We only need God when we fail. God has ordained harshness, but only if we use it!!"

They are busy "saving" people." Discipling is not their bag. It is all about the notches on the gun handle. All the while the world is driven further away -- but they are lost anyway sowho really cares. Yes, God is love but that has more to do with judgment than anything else. Why, I would rather send one of my children straight to hell and thus save myself than ignore one dot or slash of the Law. 

The difference between the sacrifice of bulls and goats and the sacrifice of Christ? Well, we all know the answer to that -- it is the difference between the number of feet on the hoof. Thats about it. 

Anyway -- I got to quit. That battries on my bullhorn are gettin weak. 

with Love

JD









-Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]comTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Sat, 21 May 2005 06:28:24 -0400Subject: [TruthTalk] Where have all the non-fundies gone save (excepting)





the Bishop and the 'myth man'? Ya gots the Amen corner patting one another on the back while the sub text includes mutual monologues (not a dialogue) between Mormons and those who seek to 'gospelize' them.The Mormons themselves attempt to walk some sort of line between identifying themselves as the one true 'recovered' church and calling themselves 'christians'. Not gonna do it, in any orthodox sense, while preaching the Jesus they preach.

Just look at who you 'frustrated' off TT: Slade, Bill, Jonathan, Caroline and Debbie. Unlike myself, they could both write and, had something to say worth engaging.

Wake up O thou that sleepest! Do not walk off into the sunset of oblivion needlessly. 

Re: [TruthTalk] Where have all the non-fundies gone save (excepting)

[Terry Clifton]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Life on the religious right is all about eliminating the competition. We are
not family members with differing ideas -- rather we are competitors to be shunned and even
abandoned. The RR speaks of
truth but without love -- even making fun of the concept or defining
it (love) into non-existence. 
  
  Their lives (the fundies
) are full of busy work -- "Com'on,
HURRY. We must pray this tornado into Quaker country. Let them
deal with the death and ravage." Or we fill our plate up with the
busy work of posted review: "Nah,
  darl'in - no time for fun and
games tonight. I have to review TT
. God has called me to be a protector of the truth and has ordained
tactics that, if Hitler had been a Bishop, he would have used. If I
persist, they will leave -- to hell with winning them over. See you
in the morning, my dove pumkin."
Or we think to make claims that can never be tested (as in test the
spirits ) and are not that important anyway. "And if the 'visitors'
should ever use any of our tactics
, well, well, SHAME on them!! We are the enlightened. We say it all right. We think it all
right. We only need God when we fail. God has ordained harshness,
but only if we use it!!"
  
  They are busy "saving" people." Discipling
is not their bag. It is all about the notches on the gun handle. All
the while the world is driven further away -- but they are lost
anyway sowho really cares. Yes, God is love but that has more to do
with judgment than anything else. Why, I would rather send one of my
children straight to hell and thus save myself than ignore one dot or
slash of the Law. 
  
  The difference between the sacrifice of bulls and goats and the
sacrifice of Christ? Well, we all know the answer to that -- it
is the difference between the number of feet on the hoof. Thats about it. 
  
  Anyway -- I got to quit. That battries
on my bullhorn are gettin weak. 
  
  with Love
  
  JD
  
  ===
  
  

So that's how we look through rose colored glasses. Amazing insight,
or lack thereof.

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  

Re: [TruthTalk] Million dollar question from Christine

[Ruben Israel]

Thank you for your thoughts, 
Ruben. I guess you're right.I could be more laid-back about how gray the 
Lord keeps some of His issues. Is this atopic where it's best to let the 
person just be convicted by the Lord? What do you say to those drunks on 
Bourbon 
St. or the Homosexuals? (Especially since James 4's 
"Faith without works is a dead faith" is in an epistle, lol.)

Ruben:
Sorry for the delay, we had 
company and Jed stayed over so now I will respond. 
Yes Christine, if they claim to 
be saved, I exhort them of holiness. 
The lifestyle must match the faith, which of course they accuse us of 
believing salvation by works. Many 
of these lost souls have been told to repeat a sinners prayer and from that were 
told they were saved, sealed and forgiven for past, present and future sin. 

SIDEBAR: past (maybe), present (maybe) future (NO 
WAY!) that would be like a judge today telling a criminal before him that since 
he is sorry for his current crimes that he is pardoned for all crimes for the 
rest of his life. What judge in his 
right mind would do that?
SIDEBAR OVER

Is it not the shed blood that 
forgives us and the power of the Holy Ghost to help us overcome? If you pluck out your eye, chop off your 
fingers, cut off your ears, remove your nose, one can still entertain sin. So that is why we need a new heart, to 
be that new man or new creature. 
And as you used James, where those works will not save you but give 
tangible evidence of your repentance and belief. But as I said, everyone thinks 
they are saved, just preach in public. 
The most famous verse used besides John 3:16 is found in the Epistle of 
John “These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son 
of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life” with this verse they look you in the eye 
and say “see, I know I have eternal life.” But ask them what “THINGS” did John 
write that you will “KNOW” and 9 out of 10 can not answer. Again, salvation is beyond feelings or 
head knowledge, we see this more than most and the Bible warns of God wiping 
away tears because loved ones that were expected will not make it and maybe 
others that we will be surprised. 
Unless you believe in the 
Mormon god, then all bets are off because someone will baptize you in the temple 
and save you so live and let live.
Ruben 

RE: [TruthTalk] Where have all the non-fundies gone save (excepting)

[ShieldsFamily]

Izzy in blue: (for her eyes!)











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 6:27
PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Where
have all the non-fundies gone save (excepting)

















Life on the religious right is all about eliminating the
competition.We have no
competition, JD.  We are not family members with differing
ideas -- rather we are competitors
to be shunned and even abandoned.The ones who LEFT are the ones who abandoned; not the ones
who STAY. The RR
speaks of truth but without love -- even making fun of the concept
or defining it (love) into non-existence. Example?











Their lives (the fundies
) are full of busy work -- Com'on, HURRY. We must pray this tornado into
Quaker country. Let them deal with the death and
ravage.Really
judgmental on your part JD, and due only to your misconception.
Or we fill our plate up with the busy work of posted review: Nah, darl'in - no time for fun and games tonight. I have
to review TT .??? God has called me to be a
protector of the truth and has ordained tactics that, if Hitler had been a
Bishop, he would have used.Why
do lefties always use the Hitler card? Really old bag of tricks, JD. If
I persist, they will leave -- to hell with winning them over.The Holy Spirit convicts and wins
over. Not anyone else. We can only describe what the Lord has shown
us. Its all between You and Him in the end. See
you in the morning, my dove pumkin.
Or we think to make claims that can never be tested (as in test the
spirits ) and are not that important anyway. And if the
'visitors' should ever use any of our tactics , well, well, SHAME on
them!! We are the enlightened.
We say it all right. We think it all right. We only
need God when we fail. God has ordained harshness, but only if we use
it!! Who can compete
with the lefties harsh judgments? 











They are busy saving people.
Discipling is not their
bag. You cant disciple
the lost and rebellious. I feel happily discipled by some on TT, JD,
dont you? It is all about the notches on the gun
handle. All the while the world is driven further away
-- but they are lost anyway sowho really cares.I guess thats why Kevin and Rubin
waste all their time on the lost? Yes, God is love but that
has more to do with judgment than anything else.Depends upon what we need at the moment. Why,
I would rather send one of my children straight to hell and thus save myself
than ignore one dot or slash(tittle?)
of the Law. Sad you see
it that way, JD.











The difference between the sacrifice of bulls and goats
and the sacrifice of Christ? Well, we all know the
answer to that -- it is the difference between the number of
feet on the hoof. Thats
about it. I desire
obedience rather than sacrifice. Only Self needs to go onto the
altar. 











Anyway -- I got to quit. That battries on my bullhorn are gettin weak. 











with Love



Blessings, JD. Blessings to you, and
sweet dreams, Izzy











JD
































































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From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]com
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.org
Sent: Sat, 21 May 2005 06:28:24 -0400
Subject: [TruthTalk] Where have all the non-fundies
gone save (excepting)





the Bishop and the 'myth man'? Ya gots
the Amen corner patting one another on the back while the sub text includes
mutual monologues (not a dialogue) between Mormons
and those who seek to 'gospelize'
them.The Mormons themselves attempt to walk some sort of line between
identifying themselves as the one true 'recovered' church and calling
themselves 'christians'. Not gonna do it, in any orthodox sense,
while preaching the Jesus they preach.











Just look at who you 'frustrated' off TT: Slade, Bill, Jonathan, Caroline and Debbie. Unlike myself,
they could both write and, had something to say worth engaging.











Wake up O thou that sleepest!
Do not walk off into the sunset of oblivion needlessly. 

RE: [TruthTalk] Where have all the non-fundies gone save (excepting)

[ShieldsFamily]

Lance, perhaps TT is good for building the
Fruit of the Spiritparticularly Longsuffering? Why dont you
post your photo on the website so we can see if YOU are really
human??? J No fair having you
throw darts at my photo and I cant reciprocate. (Same to you
JD!!!) Izzy











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 4:28
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: [TruthTalk] Where have
all the non-fundies gone save (excepting)







the Bishop and the 'myth man'? Ya gots the Amen corner
patting one another on the back while the sub text includes mutual monologues
(not a dialogue) between Mormons and those who seek to 'gospelize' them.The
Mormons themselves attempt to walk some sort of line between identifying
themselves as the one true 'recovered' church and calling themselves
'christians'. Not gonna do it, in any orthodox sense, while preaching the Jesus
they preach.











Just look at who you 'frustrated' off TT: Slade, Bill,
Jonathan, Caroline and Debbie. Unlike myself, they could both write and, had
something to say worth engaging.











Wake up O thou that sleepest! Do not walk off into the
sunset of oblivion needlessly. 

RE: [TruthTalk] TT Trivia

[ShieldsFamily]

Oh, what a sweet suggestion, Perry! I had
been thinking of doing just that for the past couple of days. Christine, your
video brought tears to my eyesobviously made by a very loving father!
Please everyone who hasnt, send a photo of yourself to David Miller. It looks like everyone on the website
so far is really human (except that little white fluffball with Terry and his
Bride.) Izzy



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 1:03 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: [TruthTalk] TT Trivia



TT members,



 Did you know that TT has a photo page? Most of you probably do know
that, 

but for those that do not, check it out at http://innglory.org. Then
click 

on the Photos link, then List members.