[TruthTalk] Idoloty
In EACH AND EVERY ASSEMBLAGE there are some who practice idolatry.(Divine worship given to ANYONE OR ANYTHING OTHER THAN GOD). Many who are raised up by the Lord become the objects of idolatry. One ought also give some attention to ICONOGRAPHY. See 'The Dwelling of the Light' Praying with icons of Christ by Rowan Williams. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 05, 2006 21:52 Subject: Re: FW: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk Sent: 1/5/2006 10:13:21 AM Subject: Re: FW: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross Do Catholics think of these statues as "idols.?" Are they not expressions of their faith in God and His Christ? None of the idols of the Message were attached to the Living God. The compaison, Dean, that you make is not a biblical one. jd cd: John this message was in my drafts folder-so I sent it today not intending to rehash old augments by preaching the old gospel in modern times but to enlighten as the old gospel has never changed. I disagree as if is very biblical. It doesn't matter what the catholics"think of these statues" Not true. I have a picture of "Jesus " in our family Bible. Is that an "idol?" Of course not. And why -- because I say so !!! I decide if an idol is a god or not. That is precisely what is wrong with an idal. I am the one who decides itto be"a god." Catholics use statues as "objects lessons" as they function and communicate with God. The RCC is a Christian Church -- with a lot of problems, admittedly. They are wonderfull people and full of faith. what matters is what God said.- the act of bowing down and praying to someone other that God/ Christ- is idolatry. Exod.20: 4 Good quote.When was the last time you saw a Catholic bow down to a false God? You really do not know what you are talking about, here. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing in heaven or that is in the earth beneath,... thou shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them; for I the Lord am a jealous God. St John didn't know he was doing wrong by bowing to a angel but was also corrected- Rev 19:10 1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of god? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor Idolatersshall inherit the kingdom of God. As concerning the faith of the catholics-Arn't we told to test faith by works Therearefew on this sitewhobelieves in testing the sprits. Everythime I ask DM for some kind of evidence, some kind of verification for his claim to be an apostle and a prophet - I get silence. -and every man was judged by their works Rev:20;13? Or a tree by it's fruit?Therefore I will use God measuring rod to decide truth.Thes Catholics also removed the 2nd commandment of Idolatry and divided the10th commandment (coveting)into two commandments-making ten commandments-back to our same old questionof why wouldthey remove they words in the first place? I don't believe there is idolatry in the Catholic church -- certainly not of the kind God in scripture references. jd
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do Catholics think of these statues as "idols.?" Are they not expressions of their faith in God and His Christ? None of the idols of the Message were attached to the Living God. The compaison, Dean, that you make is not a biblical one.jd Catholics or members of the rcc are taught that the ONLY way to heaven is through the Roman system so they are deceived right up front; they may not "think" of their statues and dead saints as idols but this does not mean that they are not. Deceived ppl don't know they are deceived. Even the Pope John Paul II revered Mary and prayed to the Black Madonna. cd: John this message was in my drafts folder-so I sent it today not intending to rehash old augments by preaching the old gospel in modern times but to enlighten as the old gospel has never changed. I disagree as if is very biblical. It doesn't matter what the catholics"think of these statues" Not true. I have a picture of "Jesus " in our family Bible. Is that an "idol?" Of course not. And why -- because I say so !!! I decide if an idol is a god or not. That is precisely what is wrong with an idal. I am the one who decides itto be"a god." Catholics use statues as "objects lessons" as they function and communicate with God. The RCC is a Christian Church -- with a lot of problems, admittedly. They are wonderfull people and full of faith. If you give your heart to a false doctrine JD, one that is cobbled together by men - and bow to that. Would you consider this to be an idol? what matters is what God said.- the act of bowing down and praying to someone other that God/ Christ- is idolatry. Exod.20: 4 Good quote.When was the last time you saw a Catholic bow down to a false God? You really do not know what you are talking about, here. Sure he knows what he is talking about JD. Catholics bow their hearts to false doctrine and images all the time. They are all over their churches and the ppl they revere as saints prayed to them. The fellow with the stigmata who is called a saint today received that sign while praying to Mary - where have you been? Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing in heaven or that is in the earth beneath,... thou shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them; for I the Lord am a jealous God. St John didn't know he was doing wrong by bowing to a angel but was also corrected- Rev 19:10 1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of god? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor Idolatersshall inherit the kingdom of God. As concerning the faith of the catholics-Arn't we told to test faith by works Therearefew on this sitewhobelieves in testing the sprits. Everythime I ask DM for some kind of evidence, some kind of verification for his claim to be an apostle and a prophet - I get silence. What do you expect from him JD? To him you probably appear to be someone with a spirit of suspicion. The gift doesn't work like that. Would you go up to a demonized person and ask if they had the spirit of the devil in them? -and every man was judged by their works Rev:20;13? Or a tree by it's fruit?Therefore I will use God measuring rod to decide truth.Thes Catholics also removed the 2nd commandment of Idolatry and divided the10th commandment (coveting)into two commandments-making ten commandments-back to our same old questionof why wouldthey remove they words in the first place? I don't believe there is idolatry in the Catholic church -- certainly not of the kind God in scripture references. Then you are as blind as they are JD and can be of no use in getting them set free from the error of their bonds..
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''Deceived people don't know they are deceived' Is it in any way possible that YOU ARE DECEIVED, Judy? Deception carries with it a particular meaning. Misapprehension carries with it a different meaning. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 06, 2006 07:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Idoloty From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do Catholics think of these statues as "idols.?" Are they not expressions of their faith in God and His Christ? None of the idols of the Message were attached to the Living God. The compaison, Dean, that you make is not a biblical one.jd Catholics or members of the rcc are taught that the ONLY way to heaven is through the Roman system so they are deceived right up front; they may not "think" of their statues and dead saints as idols but this does not mean that they are not. Deceived ppl don't know they are deceived. Even the Pope John Paul II revered Mary and prayed to the Black Madonna. cd: John this message was in my drafts folder-so I sent it today not intending to rehash old augments by preaching the old gospel in modern times but to enlighten as the old gospel has never changed. I disagree as if is very biblical. It doesn't matter what the catholics"think of these statues" Not true. I have a picture of "Jesus " in our family Bible. Is that an "idol?" Of course not. And why -- because I say so !!! I decide if an idol is a god or not. That is precisely what is wrong with an idal. I am the one who decides itto be"a god." Catholics use statues as "objects lessons" as they function and communicate with God. The RCC is a Christian Church -- with a lot of problems, admittedly. They are wonderfull people and full of faith. If you give your heart to a false doctrine JD, one that is cobbled together by men - and bow to that. Would you consider this to be an idol? what matters is what God said.- the act of bowing down and praying to someone other that God/ Christ- is idolatry. Exod.20: 4 Good quote.When was the last time you saw a Catholic bow down to a false God? You really do not know what you are talking about, here. Sure he knows what he is talking about JD. Catholics bow their hearts to false doctrine and images all the time. They are all over their churches and the ppl they revere as saints prayed to them. The fellow with the stigmata who is called a saint today received that sign while praying to Mary - where have you been? Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing in heaven or that is in the earth beneath,... thou shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them; for I the Lord am a jealous God. St John didn't know he was doing wrong by bowing to a angel but was also corrected- Rev 19:10 1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of god? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor Idolatersshall inherit the kingdom of God. As concerning the faith of the catholics-Arn't we told to test faith by works Therearefew on this sitewhobelieves in testing the sprits. Everythime I ask DM for some kind of evidence, some kind of verification for his claim to be an apostle and a prophet - I get silence. What do you expect from him JD? To him you probably appear to be someone with a spirit of suspicion. The gift doesn't work like that. Would you go up to a demonized person and ask if they had the spirit of the devil in them? -and every man was judged by their works Rev:20;13? Or a tree by it's fruit?Therefore I will use God measuring rod to decide truth.Thes Catholics also removed the 2nd commandment of Idolatry and divided the10th commandment (coveting)into two commandments-making ten commandments-back to our same old questionof why wouldthey remove they words in the first place? I don't believe there is idolatry in the Catholic church -- certainly not of the kind God in scripture references. Then you are as blind as they are JD and can be of no use in getting them set free from the error of their bonds..
Re: [TruthTalk] Idoloty
Lance, I think you must be an expert on misapprehension in others because this is what you speak about more than anything else. If you believe that I an wresting the scriptures to my own destruction then you have a God given obligation to straighten me out - BY THE SCRIPTURES. On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:11:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ''Deceived people don't know they are deceived' Is it in any way possible that YOU ARE DECEIVED, Judy? Deception carries with it a particular meaning. Misapprehension carries with it a different meaning. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 06, 2006 07:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Idoloty From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do Catholics think of these statues as "idols.?" Are they not expressions of their faith in God and His Christ? None of the idols of the Message were attached to the Living God. The compaison, Dean, that you make is not a biblical one.jd Catholics or members of the rcc are taught that the ONLY way to heaven is through the Roman system so they are deceived right up front; they may not "think" of their statues and dead saints as idols but this does not mean that they are not. Deceived ppl don't know they are deceived. Even the Pope John Paul II revered Mary and prayed to the Black Madonna. cd: John this message was in my drafts folder-so I sent it today not intending to rehash old augments by preaching the old gospel in modern times but to enlighten as the old gospel has never changed. I disagree as if is very biblical. It doesn't matter what the catholics"think of these statues" Not true. I have a picture of "Jesus " in our family Bible. Is that an "idol?" Of course not. And why -- because I say so !!! I decide if an idol is a god or not. That is precisely what is wrong with an idal. I am the one who decides itto be"a god." Catholics use statues as "objects lessons" as they function and communicate with God. The RCC is a Christian Church -- with a lot of problems, admittedly. They are wonderfull people and full of faith. If you give your heart to a false doctrine JD, one that is cobbled together by men - and bow to that. Would you consider this to be an idol? what matters is what God said.- the act of bowing down and praying to someone other that God/ Christ- is idolatry. Exod.20: 4 Good quote.When was the last time you saw a Catholic bow down to a false God? You really do not know what you are talking about, here. Sure he knows what he is talking about JD. Catholics bow their hearts to false doctrine and images all the time. They are all over their churches and the ppl they revere as saints prayed to them. The fellow with the stigmata who is called a saint today received that sign while praying to Mary - where have you been? Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing in heaven or that is in the earth beneath,... thou shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them; for I the Lord am a jealous God. St John didn't know he was doing wrong by bowing to a angel but was also corrected- Rev 19:10 1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of god? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor Idolatersshall inherit the kingdom of God. As concerning the faith of the catholics-Arn't we told to test faith by works Therearefew on this sitewhobelieves in testing the sprits. Everythime I ask DM for some kind of evidence, some kind of verification for his claim to be an apostle and a prophet - I get silence. What do you expect from him JD? To him you probably appear to be someone with a spirit of suspicion. The gift doesn't work like that. Would you go up to a demonized person and ask if they had the spirit of the devil in them? -and every man was judged by their works Rev:20;13? Or a tree by it's fruit?Therefore I will use God measuring rod to decide truth.Thes Catholics also removed the 2nd commandment of Idolatry and divided the10th commandment (coveting)into two commandments-makin
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You do not read one's MEANING well at all, Judy. I don't see you as being on a path to destruction. I see you as a well meaning, on occasion, (mis)interpreter of Scripture.YOU KNOW I'm not alone on this (on TT) Do I believe you to be teachable on this? I do not! Why? I've no idea!As far as an 'obligation' well, that's been fulfilled many times over by Bill, John and, even DM. Did you budge? You did not! Why (again)? I've no idea. Does any of this threaten your relationship with the Lord? IMO, NO! - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 06, 2006 07:20 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Idoloty Lance, I think you must be an expert on misapprehension in others because this is what you speak about more than anything else. If you believe that I an wresting the scriptures to my own destruction then you have a God given obligation to straighten me out - BY THE SCRIPTURES. On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:11:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ''Deceived people don't know they are deceived' Is it in any way possible that YOU ARE DECEIVED, Judy? Deception carries with it a particular meaning. Misapprehension carries with it a different meaning. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 06, 2006 07:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Idoloty From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do Catholics think of these statues as "idols.?" Are they not expressions of their faith in God and His Christ? None of the idols of the Message were attached to the Living God. The compaison, Dean, that you make is not a biblical one.jd Catholics or members of the rcc are taught that the ONLY way to heaven is through the Roman system so they are deceived right up front; they may not "think" of their statues and dead saints as idols but this does not mean that they are not. Deceived ppl don't know they are deceived. Even the Pope John Paul II revered Mary and prayed to the Black Madonna. cd: John this message was in my drafts folder-so I sent it today not intending to rehash old augments by preaching the old gospel in modern times but to enlighten as the old gospel has never changed. I disagree as if is very biblical. It doesn't matter what the catholics"think of these statues" Not true. I have a picture of "Jesus " in our family Bible. Is that an "idol?" Of course not. And why -- because I say so !!! I decide if an idol is a god or not. That is precisely what is wrong with an idal. I am the one who decides itto be"a god." Catholics use statues as "objects lessons" as they function and communicate with God. The RCC is a Christian Church -- with a lot of problems, admittedly. They are wonderfull people and full of faith. If you give your heart to a false doctrine JD, one that is cobbled together by men - and bow to that. Would you consider this to be an idol? what matters is what God said.- the act of bowing down and praying to someone other that God/ Christ- is idolatry. Exod.20: 4 Good quote.When was the last time you saw a Catholic bow down to a false God? You really do not know what you are talking about, here. Sure he knows what he is talking about JD. Catholics bow their hearts to false doctrine and images all the time. They are all over their churches and the ppl they revere as saints prayed to them. The fellow with the stigmata who is called a saint today received that sign while praying to Mary - where have you been? Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing in heaven or that is in the earth beneath,... thou shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them; for I the Lord am a jealous God. St John didn't know he was doing wrong by bowing to a angel but was also corrected- Rev 19:10 1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of god? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor Idolatersshall inherit the kingdom of God. As conce
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I'll tell you then Lance since you don't appear to be so adept at catching on to "meaning" either. I have to hear the voice of Jesus before I will receive anything doctrinal from others. IOW, it must line up with "scripture" and as I've been saying and saying, and saying, especially this morning. You don't produce anything other than opinion and most of the time it is opinion that conflicts with scripture. Bill and John are feeding from the same source as you. As for DM, I think you and those in agreement with you are completely and utterlyreckless with regard to him. How would you know whether or not I have learned and what I have learned from him? On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:50:02 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You do not read one's MEANING well at all, Judy. I don't see you as being on a path to destruction. I see you as a well meaning, on occasion, (mis)interpreter of Scripture.YOU KNOW I'm not alone on this (on TT) Do I believe you to be teachable on this? I do not! Why? I've no idea!As far as an 'obligation' well, that's been fulfilled many times over by Bill, John and, even DM. Did you budge? You did not! Why (again)? I've no idea. Does any of this threaten your relationship with the Lord? IMO, NO! From: Judy Taylor Lance, I think you must be an expert on misapprehension in others because this is what you speak about more than anything else. If you believe that I an wresting the scriptures to my own destruction then you have a God given obligation to straighten me out - BY THE SCRIPTURES. On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:11:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ''Deceived people don't know they are deceived' Is it in any way possible that YOU ARE DECEIVED, Judy? Deception carries with it a particular meaning. Misapprehension carries with it a different meaning. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do Catholics think of these statues as "idols.?" Are they not expressions of their faith in God and His Christ? None of the idols of the Message were attached to the Living God. The compaison, Dean, that you make is not a biblical one.jd Catholics or members of the rcc are taught that the ONLY way to heaven is through the Roman system so they are deceived right up front; they may not "think" of their statues and dead saints as idols but this does not mean that they are not. Deceived ppl don't know they are deceived. Even the Pope John Paul II revered Mary and prayed to the Black Madonna. cd: John this message was in my drafts folder-so I sent it today not intending to rehash old augments by preaching the old gospel in modern times but to enlighten as the old gospel has never changed. I disagree as if is very biblical. It doesn't matter what the catholics"think of these statues" Not true. I have a picture of "Jesus " in our family Bible. Is that an "idol?" Of course not. And why -- because I say so !!! I decide if an idol is a god or not. That is precisely what is wrong with an idal. I am the one who decides itto be"a god." Catholics use statues as "objects lessons" as they function and communicate with God. The RCC is a Christian Church -- with a lot of problems, admittedly. They are wonderfull people and full of faith. If you give your heart to a false doctrine JD, one that is cobbled together by men - and bow to that. Would you consider this to be an idol? what matters is what God said.- the act of bowing down and praying to someone other that God/ Christ- is idolatry. Exod.20: 4 Good quote.When was the last time you saw a Catholic bow down to a false God? You really do not know what you are talking about, here. Sure he knows what he is talking about JD. Catholics bow their hearts to false doctrine and images all the time. They are all over their churches and the ppl they revere as saints prayed to them. The fellow with the stigmata who is called a saint today received that sign while praying to Mary - where have you been? Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing in heaven or that is in the earth beneath,... thou shall not bow
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You keep listening we'll keep listening who knows?...In your own fashion you are adroit in speaking/writing HOWEVER in the 'listening' department it'd appear that 'adroit' is not the word. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 06, 2006 08:06 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Idoloty I'll tell you then Lance since you don't appear to be so adept at catching on to "meaning" either. I have to hear the voice of Jesus before I will receive anything doctrinal from others. IOW, it must line up with "scripture" and as I've been saying and saying, and saying, especially this morning. You don't produce anything other than opinion and most of the time it is opinion that conflicts with scripture. Bill and John are feeding from the same source as you. As for DM, I think you and those in agreement with you are completely and utterlyreckless with regard to him. How would you know whether or not I have learned and what I have learned from him? On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:50:02 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You do not read one's MEANING well at all, Judy. I don't see you as being on a path to destruction. I see you as a well meaning, on occasion, (mis)interpreter of Scripture.YOU KNOW I'm not alone on this (on TT) Do I believe you to be teachable on this? I do not! Why? I've no idea!As far as an 'obligation' well, that's been fulfilled many times over by Bill, John and, even DM. Did you budge? You did not! Why (again)? I've no idea. Does any of this threaten your relationship with the Lord? IMO, NO! From: Judy Taylor Lance, I think you must be an expert on misapprehension in others because this is what you speak about more than anything else. If you believe that I an wresting the scriptures to my own destruction then you have a God given obligation to straighten me out - BY THE SCRIPTURES. On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:11:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ''Deceived people don't know they are deceived' Is it in any way possible that YOU ARE DECEIVED, Judy? Deception carries with it a particular meaning. Misapprehension carries with it a different meaning. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do Catholics think of these statues as "idols.?" Are they not expressions of their faith in God and His Christ? None of the idols of the Message were attached to the Living God. The compaison, Dean, that you make is not a biblical one.jd Catholics or members of the rcc are taught that the ONLY way to heaven is through the Roman system so they are deceived right up front; they may not "think" of their statues and dead saints as idols but this does not mean that they are not. Deceived ppl don't know they are deceived. Even the Pope John Paul II revered Mary and prayed to the Black Madonna. cd: John this message was in my drafts folder-so I sent it today not intending to rehash old augments by preaching the old gospel in modern times but to enlighten as the old gospel has never changed. I disagree as if is very biblical. It doesn't matter what the catholics"think of these statues" Not true. I have a picture of "Jesus " in our family Bible. Is that an "idol?" Of course not. And why -- because I say so !!! I decide if an idol is a god or not. That is precisely what is wrong with an idal. I am the one who decides itto be"a god." Catholics use statues as "objects lessons" as they function and communicate with God. The RCC is a Christian Church -- with a lot of problems, admittedly. They are wonderfull people and full of faith. If you give your heart to a false doctrine JD, one that is cobbled together by men - and bow to that. Would you consider this to be an idol? what matters is what God said.- the act of bowing down and praying to someone other that God/ Christ- is idolatry. Exod.20: 4 Good quote.When was the last time you saw a
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We could begin perhaps by reverting to "plain speech" Lance. This would help a whole lot because IMO some here employ the Limerick syndrome (I'veheard the same complaints) which Malachy McCourt described as follows: "There was always THE STORY in any gathering in Limerick. Be it boys, girls, the men, the women. BALD FACTS WERE CONSIDERED COLD AND INHUMAN; therefore all storied events had to be wrapped in words. Warm words, serried words, glittering, poetic, harsh, and even blasphemous words" News Flash! God deals in "bald facts" and considers adding other meanings to His plain meaning anathema. On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:33:45 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You keep listening we'll keep listening who knows?...In your own fashion you are adroit in speaking/writing HOWEVER in the 'listening' department it'd appear that 'adroit' is not the word. From: Judy Taylor I'll tell you then Lance since you don't appear to be so adept at catching on to "meaning" either. I have to hear the voice of Jesus before I will receive anything doctrinal from others. IOW, it must line up with "scripture" and as I've been saying and saying, and saying, especially this morning. You don't produce anything other than opinion and most of the time it is opinion that conflicts with scripture. Bill and John are feeding from the same source as you. As for DM, I think you and those in agreement with you are completely and utterlyreckless with regard to him. How would you know whether or not I have learned and what I have learned from him? On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:50:02 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You do not read one's MEANING well at all, Judy. I don't see you as being on a path to destruction. I see you as a well meaning, on occasion, (mis)interpreter of Scripture.YOU KNOW I'm not alone on this (on TT) Do I believe you to be teachable on this? I do not! Why? I've no idea!As far as an 'obligation' well, that's been fulfilled many times over by Bill, John and, even DM. Did you budge? You did not! Why (again)? I've no idea. Does any of this threaten your relationship with the Lord? IMO, NO! From: Judy Taylor Lance, I think you must be an expert on misapprehension in others because this is what you speak about more than anything else. If you believe that I an wresting the scriptures to my own destruction then you have a God given obligation to straighten me out - BY THE SCRIPTURES. On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:11:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ''Deceived people don't know they are deceived' Is it in any way possible that YOU ARE DECEIVED, Judy? Deception carries with it a particular meaning. Misapprehension carries with it a different meaning. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do Catholics think of these statues as "idols.?" Are they not expressions of their faith in God and His Christ? None of the idols of the Message were attached to the Living God. The compaison, Dean, that you make is not a biblical one.jd Catholics or members of the rcc are taught that the ONLY way to heaven is through the Roman system so they are deceived right up front; they may not "think" of their statues and dead saints as idols but this does not mean that they are not. Deceived ppl don't know they are deceived. Even the Pope John Paul II revered Mary and prayed to the Black Madonna. cd: John this message was in my drafts folder-so I sent it today not intending to rehash old augments by preaching the old gospel in modern times but to enlighten as the old gospel has never changed. I disagree as if is very biblical. It doesn't matter what the catholics"think of these statues" Not true. I have a picture of "Jesus " in our family Bible. Is that an "idol?" Of course not. And why -- because I say so !!! I decide if an idol is a god or not. That is precisely what is wrong with an idal. I am the one who decides itto be"a god." Catholics use statues as "objects lessons" as they function and communicate with God. The RCC is a Christian Church -- with a lot of problems,
Re: [TruthTalk] Idoloty
We ought ALL to take care regarding the mishandling of God's words, Judy. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 06, 2006 08:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Idoloty We could begin perhaps by reverting to "plain speech" Lance. This would help a whole lot because IMO some here employ the Limerick syndrome (I'veheard the same complaints) which Malachy McCourt described as follows: "There was always THE STORY in any gathering in Limerick. Be it boys, girls, the men, the women. BALD FACTS WERE CONSIDERED COLD AND INHUMAN; therefore all storied events had to be wrapped in words. Warm words, serried words, glittering, poetic, harsh, and even blasphemous words" News Flash! God deals in "bald facts" and considers adding other meanings to His plain meaning anathema. On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:33:45 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You keep listening we'll keep listening who knows?...In your own fashion you are adroit in speaking/writing HOWEVER in the 'listening' department it'd appear that 'adroit' is not the word. From: Judy Taylor I'll tell you then Lance since you don't appear to be so adept at catching on to "meaning" either. I have to hear the voice of Jesus before I will receive anything doctrinal from others. IOW, it must line up with "scripture" and as I've been saying and saying, and saying, especially this morning. You don't produce anything other than opinion and most of the time it is opinion that conflicts with scripture. Bill and John are feeding from the same source as you. As for DM, I think you and those in agreement with you are completely and utterlyreckless with regard to him. How would you know whether or not I have learned and what I have learned from him? On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:50:02 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You do not read one's MEANING well at all, Judy. I don't see you as being on a path to destruction. I see you as a well meaning, on occasion, (mis)interpreter of Scripture.YOU KNOW I'm not alone on this (on TT) Do I believe you to be teachable on this? I do not! Why? I've no idea!As far as an 'obligation' well, that's been fulfilled many times over by Bill, John and, even DM. Did you budge? You did not! Why (again)? I've no idea. Does any of this threaten your relationship with the Lord? IMO, NO! From: Judy Taylor Lance, I think you must be an expert on misapprehension in others because this is what you speak about more than anything else. If you believe that I an wresting the scriptures to my own destruction then you have a God given obligation to straighten me out - BY THE SCRIPTURES. On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:11:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ''Deceived people don't know they are deceived' Is it in any way possible that YOU ARE DECEIVED, Judy? Deception carries with it a particular meaning. Misapprehension carries with it a different meaning. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do Catholics think of these statues as "idols.?" Are they not expressions of their faith in God and His Christ? None of the idols of the Message were attached to the Living God. The compaison, Dean, that you make is not a biblical one.jd Catholics or members of the rcc are taught that the ONLY way to heaven is through the Roman system so they are deceived right up front; they may not "think" of their statues and dead saints as idols but this does not mean that they are not. Deceived ppl don't know they are deceived. Even the Pope John Paul II revered Mary and prayed to the Black Madonna. cd: John this message was in my drafts folder-so I sent it today not intending to rehash old augments by preaching the old gospel in modern times but to enlighten as the old gospel has never changed. I disagree as if is very biblical. It doesn't matter what th
