[TruthTalk] The Kingdom

2005-05-26 Thread Charles Perry Locke

John,

  I would really like to read some more of your thoughts and the results of 
your research on the Kingdom,  if you don't mind sharing it with us.


Perry


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A few interesting facts

kingdom is nearly always used of the physical kingdom(s) in the O.T. 
scriptures.  In the new testamnt, it occurs 137 times;  100 of those times 
used by Christ.  Kingdom of heaven, of God, kingdom,


It is almost always physical in the Old  --  nearly always spiritual in the 
New/


Faather is used twice in the Old in reference to God;  256 times in the 
New !!!



children of Israel  in the Old

children of God in the new.

Sonship is a NT concept as well.

God as a personal God is a NT concept  -- different from the Old.



I am doing a study on the kingdom, for myself after Lance gave 
encouragement for the study.







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Re: [TruthTalk] The Kingdom

2005-05-26 Thread knpraise

Yes, of course and thank you for asking.And the 60 year old said the word "Cool!"  I am still thinking and praying about this. but think about this: "kingdom" as in kingdom of heaven (and etc.) is a NT idea. Father as in Father God is a NT idea -- or perhaps I shouldsay"emphasis." Sonship is NT. But more than this --what about "saved" and "lost."Not OT. for in the OT, they were simply destroyed or left alone unless they were the children of Israel. Reconciliation is a NT reality -- very little said about it in the Old. so when Jere 31:34 forcasts a covenant 
"not like the one " they had when they came from Egypt -- well it was, in deed, different. Back in the old days, when I was in school, I was taught that the NCovenant would not be similar to . All of the above puts emphasis into that idea. 

Kingdom -- the biblical message moves from a national idea of kingdom to a supernational idea, perhaps. 

I am curious as to the changes in the thinking of the Jews during the inter-testament period. Did they come to speak of God as their Father during that time, or is this type of speech pretty much original with Christ. Did I say "Christ?" Even the reality about Him and His coming was different than the Jews supposed. 

"Kingdom" is used differently -- much to do and so little time, Charles Perry. Hopefully, those 178 times the Lord used the word will be enough to get into His mind, as it were, and gather His thinking. He is breaking with tradition, thats for sure -- so "kingdom" epistemology may be of limited help. 

Give me a minute !!

JD

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John, I would really like to read some more of your thoughts and the results of your research on the Kingdom, if you don't mind sharing it with us.PerryFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic MetDate: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:38:12 -0400A few interesting facts"kingdom" is nearly always used of the physical kingdom(s) in the O.T. scriptures. In the new testamnt, it occurs 137 times; 100 of those times
 used by Christ. Kingdom of heaven, of God, kingdom,It is almost always physical in the Old -- nearly always spiritual in the New/"Faather" is used twice in the Old in reference to God; 256 times in the New !!!"children of Israel " in the Old"children of God" in the new.Sonship is a NT concept as well.God as a personal God is a NT concept -- different from the Old.I am doing a study on the kingdom, for myself after Lance gave encouragement for the study.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every ma
n." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.


Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Kingdom

2005-02-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

BLAINE:  The Ancient of Days is Adam, the father of our race.  He will receive 
the Kingdom in the Valley of Adam-Ondi-Ahman, in the state of Missouri--the 
Saints are the Latter-day Saints.  The basis for the rule of law in this 
Kingdom will be the Constitution of the United States. All established Mormon 
doctrine, I believe, you might get Dave to comment on this, I could have some 
details left out or wrong.
  
I have changed the Subject line to reflect the proper Subj
Dave or Blaine care to answer this?
In your estimation who is this Ancient of Days?
And is the answer you provide your personel or Oficial Church teaching?

Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is the Mormon Kingdom right?
Like in Dan 7 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the 
saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the 
kingdom.
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

BLAINE: The falling away began as the Apostles died off or were martyred, but 
yes, it continues today, despite the efforts of courageous 
reformers--Protestants--to stem the tide of corrupt doctrines and practices. 
The LDS Church was started by God to restore the truth. It is the stone cut 
out of the side of the mountains without hands, mentioned by Daniel the 
Prophet. As I stated before, it is the goal of this Church (of Jesus Christ of 
Latter-day Saints) to prepare the world for the eventual establishment of the 
Kingdom of God on earth (Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth, as it is 
in heaven). It is the Kingdom Come of the Lord's prayer. The stone will 
continue to roll forth untill all nations are a part of that universal Kingdom 
Come. It had small beginnings, but as you can plainly see, it is gaining 
momentum' despite heavy opposition (from Kevin, mostly (: )

-- Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Blaine, isn't there supposed to be a great falling away before the end? 
Maybe that is what we are seeing in Europe. When people join the LDS, that 
is falling away, too! They are part of the problem!

Perry 



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Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Kingdom

2005-02-07 Thread Kevin Deegan
He is Not God? 
Sitting on that Throne Vs 9?
Dan 7:13 Ancient of days... (14) And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Verse 17 CONTEXT is of THIS EARTH
Vs 27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High

He is King of all heaven
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BLAINE: The Ancient of Days is Adam, the father of our race. He will receive the Kingdom in the Valley of Adam-Ondi-Ahman, in the state of Missouri--the Saints are the Latter-day Saints. The basis for the rule of law in this Kingdom will be the Constitution of the United States. All established Mormon doctrine, I believe, you might get Dave to comment on this, I could have some details left out or wrong.. I have changed the Subject line to reflect the proper SubjDave or Blaine care to answer this?In your estimation who is this Ancient of Days?And is the answer you provide your personel or Oficial Church teaching?Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:That is the Mormon Kingdom right?Like in Dan 7 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the
 kingdom."[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:BLAINE: The "falling away" began as the Apostles died off or were martyred, but yes, it continues today, despite the efforts of courageous reformers--Protestants--to stem the tide of corrupt doctrines and practices. The LDS Church was started by God to restore the truth. It is the "stone cut out of the side of the mountains without hands," mentioned by Daniel the Prophet. As I stated before, it is the goal of this Church (of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) to prepare the world for the eventual establishment of the Kingdom of God on earth (Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth, as it is in heaven). It is the "Kingdom Come" of the Lord's prayer. The "stone" will continue to roll forth untill all nations are a part of that universal "Kingdom Come." It had small beginnings, but as you can plainly see, it is gaining momentum' despite heavy opposition (from Kevin, mostly (: )-- "Charles Perry Locke"
 wrote:Blaine, isn't there supposed to be a great falling away before the end? Maybe that is what we are seeing in Europe. When people join the LDS, that is falling away, too! They are part of the problem!Perry --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Kingdom

2005-02-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 
 
  BLAINE: Here is an authoritative site, by Bruce R. McConkie, regards this 
subject:
 
http://www.lds-mormon.com/adam_ondi.shtml

  
He is Not God? 
Sitting on that Throne Vs 9?

Dan 7:13 Ancient of days... (14) And there was given him dominion, and glory, 
and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his 
dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom 
that which shall not be destroyed.
Verse 17 CONTEXT is of THIS EARTH
Vs 27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the 
whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High
 
He is King of all heaven

[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

BLAINE: The Ancient of Days is Adam, the father of our race. He will receive 
the Kingdom in the Valley of Adam-Ondi-Ahman, in the state of Missouri--the 
Saints are the Latter-day Saints. The basis for the rule of law in this Kingdom 
will be the Constitution of the United States. All established Mormon doctrine, 
I believe, you might get Dave to comment on this, I could have some details 
left out or wrong.. 

I have changed the Subject line to reflect the proper Subj
Dave or Blaine care to answer this?
In your estimation who is this Ancient of Days?
And is the answer you provide your personel or Oficial Church teaching?

Kevin Deegan wrote:
That is the Mormon Kingdom right?
Like in Dan 7 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the 
saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the 
kingdom.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

BLAINE: The falling away began as the Apostles died off or were martyred, but 
yes, it continues today, despite the efforts of courageous 
reformers--Protestants--to stem the tide of corrupt doctrines and practices. 
The LDS Church was started by God to restore the truth. It is the stone cut 
out of the side of the mountains without hands, mentioned by Daniel the 
Prophet. As I stated before, it is the goal of this Church (of Jesus Christ of 
Latter-day Saints) to prepare the world for the eventual establishment of the 
Kingdom of God on earth (Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth, as it is 
in heaven). It is the Kingdom Come of the Lord's prayer. The stone will 
continue to roll forth untill all nations are a part of that universal Kingdom 
Come. It had small beginnings, but as you can plainly see, it is gaining 
momentum' despite heavy opposition (from Kevin, mostly (: )

-- Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Blaine, isn't there supposed to be a great falling away before the end? 
Maybe that is what we are seeing in Europe. When people join the LDS, that 
is falling away, too! They are part of the problem!

Perry  
 

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Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Kingdom

2005-02-07 Thread Lance Muir
The interlopers inveighs:Of course you meant something PERSONAL. How could
you not? By the by, that's quite OK ya know?


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 Blaine, I mean nothing personal to you, but if only you knew how silly
this
 all sounds to Christians.

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 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:49:36 GMT
 
 
 BLAINE:  The Ancient of Days is Adam, the father of our race.  He will
 receive the Kingdom in the Valley of Adam-Ondi-Ahman, in the state of
 Missouri--the Saints are the Latter-day Saints.  The basis for the rule
of
 law in this Kingdom will be the Constitution of the United States. All
 established Mormon doctrine, I believe, you might get Dave to comment on
 this, I could have some details left out or wrong.
 
 I have changed the Subject line to reflect the proper Subj
 Dave or Blaine care to answer this?
 In your estimation who is this Ancient of Days?
 And is the answer you provide your personel or Oficial Church teaching?
 
 Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That is the Mormon Kingdom right?
 Like in Dan 7 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to
the
 saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the
 kingdom.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 BLAINE: The falling away began as the Apostles died off or were
martyred,
 but yes, it continues today, despite the efforts of courageous
 reformers--Protestants--to stem the tide of corrupt doctrines and
 practices. The LDS Church was started by God to restore the truth. It is
 the stone cut out of the side of the mountains without hands, mentioned
 by Daniel the Prophet. As I stated before, it is the goal of this Church
 (of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) to prepare the world for the
 eventual establishment of the Kingdom of God on earth (Thy kingdom come,
 thy will be done, on earth, as it is in heaven). It is the Kingdom Come
 of the Lord's prayer. The stone will continue to roll forth untill all
 nations are a part of that universal Kingdom Come. It had small
 beginnings, but as you can plainly see, it is gaining momentum' despite
 heavy opposition (from Kevin, mostly (: )
 
 -- Charles Perry Locke wrote:
 Blaine, isn't there supposed to be a great falling away before the end?
 Maybe that is what we are seeing in Europe. When people join the LDS,
that
 is falling away, too! They are part of the problem!
 
 Perry
 
 
 
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 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
 know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6)
 http://www.InnGlory.org
 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Kingdom

2005-02-07 Thread Kevin Deegan
Blaine the link is no good
can you check it and resend?
Thanks"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BLAINE: Here is an authoritative site, by Bruce R. McConkie, regards this subject:http://www.lds-mormon.com/adam_ondi.shtmlHe is Not God? Sitting on that Throne Vs 9?Dan 7:13 Ancient of days... (14) And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.Verse 17 CONTEXT is of THIS EARTHVs 27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most HighHe is King of all heaven"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:BLAINE: The Ancient of Days is Adam, the father of our race. He will receive the Kingdom in the Valley of Adam-Ondi-Ahman, in the state of
 Missouri--the Saints are the Latter-day Saints. The basis for the rule of law in this Kingdom will be the Constitution of the United States. All established Mormon doctrine, I believe, you might get Dave to comment on this, I could have some details left out or wrong.. I have changed the Subject line to reflect the proper SubjDave or Blaine care to answer this?In your estimation who is this Ancient of Days?And is the answer you provide your personel or Oficial Church teaching?Kevin Deegan wrote:That is the Mormon Kingdom right?Like in Dan 7 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom."[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:BLAINE: The "falling away" began as the Apostles died off or were martyred, but yes, it continues today, despite the efforts of courageous reformers--Protestants--to stem the tide of corrupt doctrines and practices. The LDS
 Church was started by God to restore the truth. It is the "stone cut out of the side of the mountains without hands," mentioned by Daniel the Prophet. As I stated before, it is the goal of this Church (of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) to prepare the world for the eventual establishment of the Kingdom of God on earth (Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth, as it is in heaven). It is the "Kingdom Come" of the Lord's prayer. The "stone" will continue to roll forth untill all nations are a part of that universal "Kingdom Come." It had small beginnings, but as you can plainly see, it is gaining momentum' despite heavy opposition (from Kevin, mostly (: )-- "Charles Perry Locke" wrote:Blaine, isn't there supposed to be a great falling away before the end? Maybe that is what we are seeing in Europe. When people join the LDS, that is falling away, too! They are part of the problem!Perry --"Let your speech be always with grace,
 seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Kingdom

2005-02-07 Thread Kevin Deegan
So we have Adam on the Throne in Dan 7 with reference notesat the bottom of p 1112 KJV 1979 LDS Church that point to he who sits on the throne in revelation, who is called God. So is Adam the Ancient of days God?
http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/27DC 27:11 And also with Michael, or Adam, the father of all, the prince of all, the ancient of days
http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/116DC 118:1 SPRING Hill is named by the Lord Adam-ondi-Ahman, because, said he, it is the place where Adam shall come to visit his people, or the Ancient of Days shall sit, as spoken of by Daniel the prophet.
http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/138DC 138:38 Among the great and mighty ones who were assembled in this vast congregation of the righteous were Father Adam, the Ancient of Days and father of all,

http://scriptures.lds.org/bdr/rsrrctnBible Dictionary ( p 761 BD)Heading Ressurection: "Jesus Christ was the first to be resurrected on this earth ,... whereas a resurrection means to become immortal, without blood, yet with a body of flesh and bone."
http://scriptures.lds.org/bdf/fllfdmBD p 570 Heading Fal: "Before the fall, Adam and Eve had physical bodies but no blood."

Since ressurected Bodies have no blood could you tell me what planet Adam was ressurected on? Was he a god, yet? Was he resurrected before jesus?

TPJS p 157 Adam is said to "preside over the spirits of all men" And is the Oldest man therefore ancient of days

At the bottom of the page the references given for the Ancient of days includes Rv 5:11 11:19 20:12 In Revelation it is "our God which sitteth upon the throne" Rv 1:4 3:21 7:10,15 14:5 22:1
Again we find the evidence for the Fruit of mormonism in the Standard works which have already been verified by membership vote. This led Brigham and a few others to preach the Doctrine (not theory) of Adam as god.

"When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken--HE is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do" Young JoD 1:46Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

He is Not God? Sitting on that Throne Vs 9?Dan 7:13 Ancient of days... (14) And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.Verse 17 CONTEXT is of THIS EARTHVs 27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most HighHe is King of all heaven"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:BLAINE: The Ancient of Days is Adam, the father of our race. He will receive the Kingdom in the Valley of Adam-Ondi-Ahman, in the state of Missouri--the Saints are the Latter-day Saints. The basis for the rule of law in this Kingdom will be the Constitution of the United States. All established Mormon doctrine, I believe, you might get Dave to comment on this, I could have some
 details left out or wrong..
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Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Kingdom

2005-02-06 Thread Kevin Deegan
I have changed the Subject line to reflect the proper Subj
Dave or Blaine care to answer this?
In your estimation who is this Ancient of Days?And is the answer you provide your personel or Oficial Church teaching?Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

That is the Mormon Kingdom right?
Like in Dan 7 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BLAINE: The "falling away" began as the Apostles died off or were martyred, but yes, it continues today, despite the efforts of courageous reformers--Protestants--to stem the tide of corrupt doctrines and practices. The LDS Church was started by God to restore the truth. It is the "stone cut out of the side of the mountains without hands," mentioned by Daniel the Prophet. As I stated before, it is the goal of this Church (of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) to prepare the world for the eventual establishment of the Kingdom of God on earth (Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth, as it is in heaven). It is the "Kingdom Come" of the Lord's prayer. The "stone" will continue to roll forth untill all nations are a part of that universal "Kingdom Come." It had small beginnings, but as you can plainly see, it is gaining momentum' despite heavy opposition (from Kevin, mostly (:
 )-- "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Blaine, isn't there supposed to be a great falling away before the end? Maybe that is what we are seeing in Europe. When people join the LDS, that is falling away, too! They are part of the problem!PerryFrom: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Tough Time in Germany?Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:49:41 GMTDavid,BLAINE: I had an exchange student from Germany stay with us for a full school year back a few years ago, and he said many things that were dismaying to me--for one thing, he was shocked we dressed up to attend church--he said the young people who attend church in Germany wear sneakers and cut-offs, if they attend at all--he said most do not attend, and care little for
 religion. The Luthern Church, he said was supported by the government, due to lack of attendance. There is a great deal of evidence that this falling off from religious involvement by the youger generation is not restricted to Germany--it is almost universal in Europe. I saw some stats the other day, regards Scandinavian countries--Marriage is declinging, live-in relationships increasing. I believe it mentioned 50% nationwide children are born to unwed parents in most Scandinavian countries. I am currently trying to locate a NY Times article documenting this falling off in the US--I believe it said most denominations are actually declining in membership--except one, which is the LDS denomination. If I can locate the article I will post it.-- "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Blaine, I really appreciate you sharing this article about prostitution inGermany
 with us. It was very fascinating. However, I'm not sure why youuse it as an example that the Bible is not enough.Peace be with you.David Miller.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to
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