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You'd best frame this one, Terry. - Original Message - From: Caroline Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 11, 2005 22:46 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism I think that means that you two do not think alike, and because of that you find fault with him. Terry Terry, I think you're the most brilliant person on TT. Perhaps we find fault with each other on TT only because we don't think alike. We share the same language and cyberspace but we come from different backgrounds and culture. Love, Caroline -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Lance Muir wrote: You'd best frame this one, Terry. === Naw. I might start believing it if I read it often. Terry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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I know Jesus. Kevin is no Jesus. Very bad illustration, Charles Perry Locke. (heretofor 'Chuckie' after the films) - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 11, 2005 10:31 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Lance, do you think Jesus was giving Christianity a bad rap when he overturned the moneylenders' tables in the temple? Instead, should he have quoted some 2nd century BC greek philospopher on the existential qualities of selling in the temple, then entered into meaningful dialog about what the philosopher really meant, whether or not it applies today, and then discussed how different interpretations of the scripture (OT) fit in with the philosophy? Lets be Real Christians, okay? From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:39:55 -0400 It amazes me that could could ask this of Dave, Perry! ,at least without a 'smiley'. Kevin is a jerk and, he comes accross as one (I probably do as well) on TT. I bet he does 'on the street' also. It is such that give christianity a bad rep. He probably sees himself as 'suffering for the cause of Christ' whereas it's just the 'jerk factor' in play. Kevin:Speaking JtoJ we ought to keep this in mind. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 11, 2005 09:29 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Dave, I can't understand why you do not hang on every word Kevin posts! He backs up all of his biblical claims with scripture references, and not just one or two, with several to many. He backs up what he claims about the Mormon church with statements from your own non-prophets and leaders. He has a passion for the Lord, and quite evidently has been called to use this passion, and his knowledge of the Word, to spread the gospel. I would expect him to act no differently on TT than he does on the street. Just because he does not fit your idea of what Truth Talk should be does not mean that his exchanges are not meaningful. In fact, in terms of proclaiming the gospel to the unsaved, Kevin is probably doing more on TT than any other poster. He steadfastly sticks to the message, not straying into the pseudo-intellectual realms of so many posts. Those things are often titillating and fun to ponder, but when it comes down to it, either you believe or you don't. Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 23:46:44 -0700 DAVEH: Nothing will make for easier discussions, IF one of the parties does not want to have a meaningful exchange, Kevin. I view TT as being a place where two or more people of contrasting opinions can explore why other's believe differently. I perceive that some TTers (such as yourself) are here not to have a meaningful discussion unless it results in the other person adopting your beliefs. Basically, you want to use TT as a forum to convert people to Christianity as you understand it...is that correct? Assuming so, you probably don't feel a need to find areas of common belief, but rather cut right to the chase and try to overwhelm your opponent with their error of thought/belief as you perceive it. Have I analyzed it correctly, Kevin? I harbor no illusions about changing your anti attitudes, Kevin. But I am curious as to why you are as you are (and why you believe as you do), if that makes any sense. It's just one of my hang-ups I suppose. So, every now and then you do reveal a bit about yourself, for which I am appreciative. But as I see it, you mostly put up a pretty thick wall hoping to wear your opponents down in their futile efforts to overcome that wall. Then you try to attack their perceived soft spot, hoping for a quick victory. That'll be $250 for your initial therapy session, please! :-D Kevin Deegan wrote: Why does it make discussions easier? Do you mean it will disarm those rascal Anti's? */Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: DAVEH: I think it makes discussions much easier if common points are first found, Kevin. Kevin Deegan wrote: What is this Mormon preoccupation with finding all the things we have in common? Why would one want to find; lets say, for example, all the things they have in common with the devil? So what then; after we find what we have in common? */Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Charles Perry Locke wrote: DAVEH: Owhat an
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Lance, I was not comparing Kevin to Jesus. I was comparing the relative poularity of the two within their respective contexts. The main point, which you may have missed, is that doing the right thing for the right reasons is not always popular. I suspect that Jesus' approach was, in the eyes of the money lenders, as unpopular as Kevin's approach is with you. One big difference...Kevin's approach is not affecting your income! Perry From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:47:19 -0400 I know Jesus. Kevin is no Jesus. Very bad illustration, Charles Perry Locke. (heretofor 'Chuckie' after the films) - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 11, 2005 10:31 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Lance, do you think Jesus was giving Christianity a bad rap when he overturned the moneylenders' tables in the temple? Instead, should he have quoted some 2nd century BC greek philospopher on the existential qualities of selling in the temple, then entered into meaningful dialog about what the philosopher really meant, whether or not it applies today, and then discussed how different interpretations of the scripture (OT) fit in with the philosophy? Lets be Real Christians, okay? From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:39:55 -0400 It amazes me that could could ask this of Dave, Perry! ,at least without a 'smiley'. Kevin is a jerk and, he comes accross as one (I probably do as well) on TT. I bet he does 'on the street' also. It is such that give christianity a bad rep. He probably sees himself as 'suffering for the cause of Christ' whereas it's just the 'jerk factor' in play. Kevin:Speaking JtoJ we ought to keep this in mind. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 11, 2005 09:29 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Dave, I can't understand why you do not hang on every word Kevin posts! He backs up all of his biblical claims with scripture references, and not just one or two, with several to many. He backs up what he claims about the Mormon church with statements from your own non-prophets and leaders. He has a passion for the Lord, and quite evidently has been called to use this passion, and his knowledge of the Word, to spread the gospel. I would expect him to act no differently on TT than he does on the street. Just because he does not fit your idea of what Truth Talk should be does not mean that his exchanges are not meaningful. In fact, in terms of proclaiming the gospel to the unsaved, Kevin is probably doing more on TT than any other poster. He steadfastly sticks to the message, not straying into the pseudo-intellectual realms of so many posts. Those things are often titillating and fun to ponder, but when it comes down to it, either you believe or you don't. Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 23:46:44 -0700 DAVEH: Nothing will make for easier discussions, IF one of the parties does not want to have a meaningful exchange, Kevin. I view TT as being a place where two or more people of contrasting opinions can explore why other's believe differently. I perceive that some TTers (such as yourself) are here not to have a meaningful discussion unless it results in the other person adopting your beliefs. Basically, you want to use TT as a forum to convert people to Christianity as you understand it...is that correct? Assuming so, you probably don't feel a need to find areas of common belief, but rather cut right to the chase and try to overwhelm your opponent with their error of thought/belief as you perceive it. Have I analyzed it correctly, Kevin? I harbor no illusions about changing your anti attitudes, Kevin. But I am curious as to why you are as you are (and why you believe as you do), if that makes any sense. It's just one of my hang-ups I suppose. So, every now and then you do reveal a bit about yourself, for which I am appreciative. But as I see it, you mostly put up a pretty thick wall hoping to wear your opponents down in their futile efforts to overcome that wall. Then you try to attack their perceived soft spot, hoping for a quick victory. That'll be $250 for your initial therapy session, please! :-D Kevin Deegan wrote: Why does it make discussions easier? Do you mean
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I did not miss the main point CPL! Kevin was, in reality, doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. Please think about what that means. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 11, 2005 13:59 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Lance, I was not comparing Kevin to Jesus. I was comparing the relative poularity of the two within their respective contexts. The main point, which you may have missed, is that doing the right thing for the right reasons is not always popular. I suspect that Jesus' approach was, in the eyes of the money lenders, as unpopular as Kevin's approach is with you. One big difference...Kevin's approach is not affecting your income! Perry From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:47:19 -0400 I know Jesus. Kevin is no Jesus. Very bad illustration, Charles Perry Locke. (heretofor 'Chuckie' after the films) - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 11, 2005 10:31 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Lance, do you think Jesus was giving Christianity a bad rap when he overturned the moneylenders' tables in the temple? Instead, should he have quoted some 2nd century BC greek philospopher on the existential qualities of selling in the temple, then entered into meaningful dialog about what the philosopher really meant, whether or not it applies today, and then discussed how different interpretations of the scripture (OT) fit in with the philosophy? Lets be Real Christians, okay? From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:39:55 -0400 It amazes me that could could ask this of Dave, Perry! ,at least without a 'smiley'. Kevin is a jerk and, he comes accross as one (I probably do as well) on TT. I bet he does 'on the street' also. It is such that give christianity a bad rep. He probably sees himself as 'suffering for the cause of Christ' whereas it's just the 'jerk factor' in play. Kevin:Speaking JtoJ we ought to keep this in mind. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 11, 2005 09:29 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Dave, I can't understand why you do not hang on every word Kevin posts! He backs up all of his biblical claims with scripture references, and not just one or two, with several to many. He backs up what he claims about the Mormon church with statements from your own non-prophets and leaders. He has a passion for the Lord, and quite evidently has been called to use this passion, and his knowledge of the Word, to spread the gospel. I would expect him to act no differently on TT than he does on the street. Just because he does not fit your idea of what Truth Talk should be does not mean that his exchanges are not meaningful. In fact, in terms of proclaiming the gospel to the unsaved, Kevin is probably doing more on TT than any other poster. He steadfastly sticks to the message, not straying into the pseudo-intellectual realms of so many posts. Those things are often titillating and fun to ponder, but when it comes down to it, either you believe or you don't. Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 23:46:44 -0700 DAVEH: Nothing will make for easier discussions, IF one of the parties does not want to have a meaningful exchange, Kevin. I view TT as being a place where two or more people of contrasting opinions can explore why other's believe differently. I perceive that some TTers (such as yourself) are here not to have a meaningful discussion unless it results in the other person adopting your beliefs. Basically, you want to use TT as a forum to convert people to Christianity as you understand it...is that correct? Assuming so, you probably don't feel a need to find areas of common belief, but rather cut right to the chase and try to overwhelm your opponent with their error of thought/belief as you perceive it. Have I analyzed it correctly, Kevin? I harbor no illusions about changing your anti attitudes, Kevin. But I am curious as to why you are as you are (and why you believe as you do), if that makes any
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Lance Muir wrote: I did not miss the main point CPL! Kevin was, in reality, doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. Please think about what that means. == I think that means that you two do not think alike, and because of that you find fault with him. Terry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Terry says: I think that means that you two (Lance and Kevin) do not think alike holy mackerel what an astute observation! Now that you mention it I do see very subtle differences. Debbie -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Debbie Sawczak wrote: Terry says: I think that means that you two (Lance and Kevin) do not think alike holy mackerel what an astute observation! Now that you mention it I do see very subtle differences. Debbie -- I am perceptiver than the average bear. Terry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Oooo, a new word for Lance! :-) -Original Message- I am perceptiver than the average bear. Terry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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I think that means that you two do not think alike, and because of that you find fault with him. Terry Terry, I think you're the most brilliant person on TT. Perhaps we find fault with each other on TT only because we don't think alike. We share the same language and cyberspace but we come from different backgrounds and culture. Love, Caroline -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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As I saw no 'smiley', I could not but wonder if you thought the 'medical application' the one I had in mind? I did not! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 10, 2005 07:00 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism orthopraxy \Or"tho*prax`y\, n. [Gr. 'orqo`s straight + ? a doing.] (Med.) The treatment of deformities in the human body by mechanical appliances. You got me, Lance. What indeed? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 2:29 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Orthodoxy and orthopraxy - what is their relation to one another? - Original Message - From: Bothoms To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 09, 2005 18:17 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Terry-- I can understand you viewpoint, but please realize thatIbelieve these teachings to be trueotherwise they would have no part in my life. I do appreciate your concern for my spiritual well being. I also have concern for your spiritual well being. If you think that I'm in error, I'm willing to discuss it. But let's approach it in a way that the Lord would approve of-- so the Spirit can guide us. May the Lord's will be done, not yours or mine.Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bothoms wrote: Terry-- Some non-LDS Christians insist that these things are secret. They are not secret -- otherwise, why would I be willing to discuss these things. But you must understand that these things are of a highly sacred nature; therefore, I will not discuss them in detail. As to the 'designs' that you refer to -- they are small stitchings in the under garments and are there to remind the wearer of the covenants made in the temple. Further, I want you to know, that I have no problem answering your questions so long as they are sincere. I also ask that you, at least respect my beliefs, even if you choose to disagree. I will be careful to likewise respect any of your beliefs that I might differ with. And may the Lord bless each of us with greater knowledge and understanding. --RaymondI have no problem with respecting you as an individual as long as you do not prove yourself unworthy of respect. Your beliefs, however are another story. I cannot respect what I consider not only false, but of the devil. To respectfully watch as you go on your merry way to Hell would not be a Christian act. There is no hatred, no animosity, no hard feelings connected with that. Just a desire to prevent any person, Mormon or otherwise from spending eternity in torment. If I can convince you to seek a better way, I will.Terry--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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There was nothing elseso what dictionary are you using? Or maybe its another one of the Technical terms??? (I had no idea that Theology and Technology were the same thing!) Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 5:50 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism As I saw no 'smiley', I could not but wonder if you thought the 'medical application' the one I had in mind? I did not! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 10, 2005 07:00 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism orthopraxy \Ortho*prax`y\, n. [Gr. 'orqo`s straight + ? a doing.] (Med.) The treatment of deformities in the human body by mechanical appliances. You got me, Lance. What indeed? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 2:29 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Orthodoxy and orthopraxy - what is their relation to one another? - Original Message - From: Bothoms To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 09, 2005 18:17 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Terry-- I can understand you viewpoint, but please realize thatIbelieve these teachings to be trueotherwise they would have no part in my life. I do appreciate your concern for my spiritual well being. I also have concern for your spiritual well being. If you think that I'm in error, I'm willing to discuss it. But let's approach it in a way that the Lord would approve of-- so the Spirit can guide us. May the Lord's will be done, not yours or mine. Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bothoms wrote: Terry-- Some non-LDS Christians insist that these things are secret. They are not secret -- otherwise, why would I be willing to discuss these things. But you must understand that these things are of a highly sacred nature; therefore, I will not discuss them in detail. As to the 'designs' that you refer to -- they are small stitchings in the under garments and are there to remind the wearer of the covenants made in the temple. Further, I want you to know, that I have no problem answering your questions so long as they are sincere. I also ask that you, at least respect my beliefs, even if you choose to disagree. I will be careful to likewise respect any of your beliefs that I might differ with. And may the Lord bless each of us with greater knowledge and understanding. --Raymond I have no problem with respecting you as an individual as long as you do not prove yourself unworthy of respect. Your beliefs, however are another story. I cannot respect what I consider not only false, but of the devil. To respectfully watch as you go on your merry way to Hell would not be a Christian act. There is no hatred, no animosity, no hard feelings connected with that. Just a desire to prevent any person, Mormon or otherwise from spending eternity in torment. If I can convince you to seek a better way, I will. Terry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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But Kermie, you miss the point do you not? -Miss piggie - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 06, 2005 08:35 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism LANCE says LindaS, I'm just wondering something. What if you were given absolute proof that J.the Christ was a fraud? Would you still choose to believe in Christianity? Do you have some? Are you guys running a special on some new book?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LindaS, I'm just wondering something. What if you were given absolute proof that J.the Christ was a fraud? Would you still choose to believe in Christianity? - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 06, 2005 00:16 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism DAVEH: Do you want to discuss theology, Izzy?ShieldsFamily wrote: DaveH, Im just wondering something. What if you were given absolute proof that J.Smith was a fraud? Would you still choose to believe in Mormonism? Izzy-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. Do you Yahoo!?Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
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Would a Mormon not answer YOUR QUESTION regarding JS in the same irrational fashion? Duh indeed! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 06, 2005 08:41 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Of course not. (duh.) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, May 06, 2005 5:09 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism LindaS, I'm just wondering something. What if you were given absolute proof that J.the Christ was a fraud? Would you still choose to believe in Christianity? - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 06, 2005 00:16 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism DAVEH: Do you want to discuss theology, Izzy?ShieldsFamily wrote: DaveH, Im just wondering something. What if you were given absolute proof that J.Smith was a fraud? Would you still choose to believe in Mormonism? Izzy -- ~~~Dave Hansen[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.langlitz.com~~~If you wish to receivethings I find interesting,I maintain six email lists...JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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Lance, you have missed the point that DaveH has failed to answer my question. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 7:18 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism But Kermie, you miss the point do you not? -Miss piggie - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 06, 2005 08:35 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism LANCE says LindaS, I'm just wondering something. What if you were given absolute proof that J.the Christ was a fraud? Would you still choose to believe in Christianity? Do you have some? Are you guys running a special on some new book? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LindaS, I'm just wondering something. What if you were given absolute proof that J.the Christ was a fraud? Would you still choose to believe in Christianity? - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 06, 2005 00:16 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism DAVEH: Do you want to discuss theology, Izzy? ShieldsFamily wrote: DaveH, Im just wondering something. What if you were given absolute proof that J.Smith was a fraud? Would you still choose to believe in Mormonism? Izzy -- ~~~Dave Hansen[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.langlitz.com~~~If you wish to receivethings I find interesting,I maintain six email lists...JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
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I read his response. HE DID ANSWER THE QUESTION. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 06, 2005 12:43 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Lance, you have missed the point that DaveH has failed to answer my question. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, May 06, 2005 7:18 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism But Kermie, you miss the point do you not? -Miss piggie - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 06, 2005 08:35 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism LANCE says LindaS, I'm just wondering something. What if you were given absolute proof that J.the Christ was a fraud? Would you still choose to believe in Christianity? Do you have some? Are you guys running a special on some new book?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LindaS, I'm just wondering something. What if you were given absolute proof that J.the Christ was a fraud? Would you still choose to believe in Christianity? - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 06, 2005 00:16 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism DAVEH: Do you want to discuss theology, Izzy?ShieldsFamily wrote: DaveH, Im just wondering something. What if you were given absolute proof that J.Smith was a fraud? Would you still choose to believe in Mormonism? Izzy -- ~~~Dave Hansen[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.langlitz.com~~~If you wish to receivethings I find interesting,I maintain six email lists...JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. Do you Yahoo!?Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
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I know it is foriegn for LDS to testify of what God is DOing for them, Fast testimony meetings are just a buch of LDS repeating the memorized Mantra of: I know Joeseph Smith was a prophet I know the Church is true I know the BoM is true . Doesn't God ever do anything exciting in your life? Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: His love and grace are not sufficient for you, Kevin? I'm prettyhappy (thankful might be a better way of saying it) with all he has given meincluding my family and the gospel. I even enjoy my TT friendsmaybehe wants me to be here as well.Kevin Deegan wrote: But Dave; the question is what is Jesus doing in your life right now??Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Have you ever attended an LDS service, Kevin? Perhaps youshould try attending one of our Fast Testimony meetings sometime.They are usually held the first Sunday of each month. I'm probably not as spiritual as many TTers. I think of Jesus as myElder Brother, who has shown me the path back Home and given me a greatsacrifice (for which I cannot repay him sufficiently) that allows me totrod that path. What I can do in return is try to live my life as Ibelieve he would want me to. Failing that, I believe his grace andmercy will make up for my deficiencies. Besides my gratefulness for hissacrifice in my behalf, he has given me a wonderful family andguidelines in life as to how to raise that family. When I see thedismal lives of many people around me, it saddens me to think that itwould be so easy for those people who are self destructing to repent andcome unto Jesus and avoid many of the pitfalls of life. Yet their greedand desire to be free of any encumbrances in life prevent them tosubmitting to our Lord. Insteadit seems they merely yoke themselvesto Satan. So Kevin, to summarize---I know Jesus is my Lord and Savior,and without him I personally would be a lost soul, so to speak. But Ifeel his love and see the light of the gospel and know that I am a childof God.Kevin Deegan wrote: Not to get off the subject but I was wondering Dave. Being that you are a christian then, you may want to tell us a short Testimony of what Jesus is doing in your life. Christians are always testifying what the Lord has done for them, so go ahead praise the Lord! I would find this fascinating since I have never heard a Mormon give such. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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DAVEH: You're forgetting that I'm a tired old Mormon boy, Kevin. Too much excitement in my life can be risky. About all the excitement I can handle anymore is watching the O'REILLY FACTOR every day, and reading your TT posts. How close to the edge to you expect me to get? :-D Kevin Deegan wrote: I know it is foriegn for LDS to testify of what God is DOing for them, Doesn't God ever do anything exciting in your life? Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: His love and grace are not sufficient for you, Kevin? I'm pretty happy (thankful might be a better way of saying it) with all he has given me including my family and the gospel. I even enjoy my TT friendsmaybe he wants me to be here as well. Kevin Deegan wrote: But Dave; the question is what is Jesus doing in your life right now?? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Have you ever attended an LDS service, Kevin? Perhaps you should try attending one of our Fast Testimony meetings sometime. They are usually held the first Sunday of each month. I'm probably not as spiritual as many TTers. I think of Jesus as my Elder Brother, who has shown me the path back Home and given me a great sacrifice (for which I cannot repay him sufficiently) that allows me to trod that path. What I can do in return is try to live my life as I believe he would want me to. Failing that, I believe his grace and mercy will make up for my deficiencies. Besides my gratefulness for his sacrifice in my behalf, he has given me a wonderful family and guidelines in life as to how to raise that family. When I see the dismal lives of many people around me, it saddens me to think that it would be so easy for those people who are self destructing to repent and come unto Jesus and avoid many of the pitfalls of life. Yet their greed and desire to be free of any encumbrances in life prevent them to submitting to our Lord. Insteadit seems they merely yoke themselves to Satan. So Kevin, to summarize---I know Jesus is my Lord and Savior, and without him I personally would be a lost soul, so to speak. But I feel his love and see the light of the gospel and know that I am a child of God. Kevin Deegan wrote: Not to get off the subject but I was wondering Dave. Being that you are a christian then, you may want to tell us a short Testimony of what Jesus is doing in your life. Christians are always testifying what the Lord has done for them, so go ahead praise the Lord! I would find this fascinating since I have never heard a Mormon give such. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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I guess that'd be a resounding but, diplomatic NO. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 02, 2005 09:44 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead? DAVEH: ??? I'm not sure I understand your question, Lance. Since I believe LDS theology has much to offer that is not available elsewhere, I see the Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant church as being theologically deficient.Lance Muir wrote: Dave:Would you be just as hopeful that those 'who need to repent' might, after doing so become part of a Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant church as one representing the LDS way of believing who Jesus was/is? - Original Message - From: "Dave Hansen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 29, 2005 09:33 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead? DAVEH: Have you ever attended an LDS service, Kevin? Perhaps you should try attending one of our Fast Testimony meetings sometime. They are usually held the first Sunday of each month. I'm probably not as spiritual as many TTers. I think of Jesus as my Elder Brother, who has shown me the path back Home and given me a great sacrifice (for which I cannot repay him sufficiently) that allows me to trod that path. What I can do in return is try to live my life as I believe he would want me to. Failing that, I believe his grace and mercy will make up for my deficiencies. Besides my gratefulness for his sacrifice in my behalf, he has given me a wonderful family and guidelines in life as to how to raise that family. When I see the dismal lives of many people around me, it saddens me to think that it would be so easy for those people who are self destructing to repent and come unto Jesus and avoid many of the pitfalls of life. Yet their greed and desire to be free of any encumbrances in life prevent them to submitting to our Lord. Insteadit seems they merely yoke themselves to Satan. So Kevin, to summarize---I know Jesus is my Lord and Savior, and without him I personally would be a lost soul, so to speak. But I feel his love and see the light of the gospel and know that I am a child of God. Kevin Deegan wrote: Not to get off the subject but I was wondering Dave. Being that you are a christian then, you may want to tell us a short Testimony of what Jesus is doing in your life. Christians are always testifying what the Lord has done for them, so go ahead praise the Lord! I would find this fascinating since I have never heard a Mormon give such. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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But Dave; the question is what is Jesus doing in your life right now??Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Have you ever attended an LDS service, Kevin? Perhaps youshould try attending one of our Fast Testimony meetings sometime.They are usually held the first Sunday of each month. I'm probably not as spiritual as many TTers. I think of Jesus as myElder Brother, who has shown me the path back Home and given me a greatsacrifice (for which I cannot repay him sufficiently) that allows me totrod that path. What I can do in return is try to live my life as Ibelieve he would want me to. Failing that, I believe his grace andmercy will make up for my deficiencies. Besides my gratefulness for hissacrifice in my behalf, he has given me a wonderful family andguidelines in life as to how to raise that family. When I see thedismal lives of many people around me, it saddens me to think that itwould be so easy for those people who are self destructing to repent andcome unto Jesus and avoid many of the pitfalls of life. Yet their greedand desire to be free of any encumbrances in life prevent them tosubmitting to our Lord. Insteadit seems they merely yoke themselvesto Satan. So Kevin, to summarize---I know Jesus is my Lord and Savior,and without him I personally would be a lost soul, so to speak. But Ifeel his love and see the light of the gospel and know that I am a childof God.Kevin Deegan wrote: Not to get off the subject but I was wondering Dave. Being that you are a christian then, you may want to tell us a short Testimony of what Jesus is doing in your life. Christians are always testifying what the Lord has done for them, so go ahead praise the Lord! I would find this fascinating since I have never heard a Mormon give such. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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DAVEH: Did you expect me to answer any other way? Lance Muir wrote: I guess that'd be a resounding but, diplomatic NO. DAVEH: ??? I'm not sure I understand your question, Lance. Since I believe LDS theology has much to offer that is not available elsewhere, I see the Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant church as being theologically deficient. Lance Muir wrote: Dave:Would you be just as hopeful that those 'who need to repent' might, after doing so become part of a Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant church as one representing the LDS way of believing who Jesus was/is? -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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DAVEH: His love and grace are not sufficient for you, Kevin? I'm pretty happy (thankful might be a better way of saying it) with all he has given me including my family and the gospel. I even enjoy my TT friendsmaybe he wants me to be here as well. Kevin Deegan wrote: But Dave; the question is what is Jesus doing in your life right now?? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Have you ever attended an LDS service, Kevin? Perhaps you should try attending one of our Fast Testimony meetings sometime. They are usually held the first Sunday of each month. I'm probably not as spiritual as many TTers. I think of Jesus as my Elder Brother, who has shown me the path back Home and given me a great sacrifice (for which I cannot repay him sufficiently) that allows me to trod that path. What I can do in return is try to live my life as I believe he would want me to. Failing that, I believe his grace and mercy will make up for my deficiencies. Besides my gratefulness for his sacrifice in my behalf, he has given me a wonderful family and guidelines in life as to how to raise that family. When I see the dismal lives of many people around me, it saddens me to think that it would be so easy for those people who are self destructing to repent and come unto Jesus and avoid many of the pitfalls of life. Yet their greed and desire to be free of any encumbrances in life prevent them to submitting to our Lord. Insteadit seems they merely yoke themselves to Satan. So Kevin, to summarize---I know Jesus is my Lord and Savior, and without him I personally would be a lost soul, so to speak. But I feel his love and see the light of the gospel and know that I am a child of God. Kevin Deegan wrote: Not to get off the subject but I was wondering Dave. Being that you are a christian then, you may want to tell us a short Testimony of what Jesus is doing in your life. Christians are always testifying what the Lord has done for them, so go ahead praise the Lord! I would find this fascinating since I have never heard a Mormon give such. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
