Re: [TruthTalk] Judge Dean

[Lance Muir]

DaveH makes a rather convincing case for HIS 
position on this issue as I see it. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dave 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 12, 2006 10:54
  Subject: [TruthTalk] Judge Dean
  Why are you provoking me to have to deal with 
  this as moderator DaveH?DAVEH: I use the Judge 
  Dean/Moore monikers to remind TTers (including myself) to whom I 
  speaking. It was not long ago that you mentioned that I have a problem 
  distinguishing TTer Dean from the moderator, and then you referred to yourself 
  as Judge Moore, if I remember correctly. Since it appears to me that you 
  are judgmental from both positions, I've found it expedient to use both terms 
  when referring to you in order to assist in remembering to which Dean I'm 
  speaking. Why do you consider this to be a 
  provocation? Do you not pass judgment as both a moderator (e.g. when you 
  excommunicated the Bishop) and as a regular TTer, such as when you call me a 
  pagan? OrWere you making the pagan judgment while you were wearing 
  the moderator's cap?Can you not defend your 
  religion without making this a moderator 
  issue?DAVEH: You made it a moderator issue when 
  you suggested that I could not separate Dean from the moderator. I 
  assume you would agree with methat Dean does make judgments? If so, 
  then why would you find the term a problem, since it describes you 
  appropriately? Furthermore, did you not suggest that saying the truth is 
  not an ad-homif so, then referring to you as Judge Dean seems not only 
  appropriate, but neither should it be offensive. If I am 
  wrong about this, have Judge Moore reprimand me.right after he reprimands 
  Judge Dean for calling me a pagan.Dean Moore wrote: 
  


Note that I noticed the Judge Dean remark- Why are you 
provoking me to have to deal with this as moderator DaveH? Can 
you not defend your religion without making this a moderator 
issue?



  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dave 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: 
  3/12/2006 1:50:26 AM 
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] David Miller 2
  the red is much easier to read , for 
  meDAVEH: And therein lies the problem, 
  Bishop. If I make my posts are easier to read, then it is much more 
  likely you will be convinced of my arguments. HenceJudge Dean 
  must think you will soon be converted to Mormonism, and he finds that 
  possibility to be offensive. ;-)  
  BTW.You are close to converting, aren't you Bishop? (There 
  is always room for another Bishop in the 
  Church.) :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  
Actually, the red is much easier to read , for 
me.

jd

-- 
  Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  
  
  cd: David -Why is it not 
  an offence for DaveH to alter my words? I wrote in blue on a 10 
  scale-if you will read the below my words were altered by DaveH to red 
  and farther down to a size 12 scale-this is an obvious attempt to make 
  me sound harsh while Davehkept his wording at common black size 
  10 scale?
  
  
  
  
- 
Original Message - 
From: 
Dave 
Hansen 
To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 
3/9/2006 12:33:23 PM 
Subject: 
Re: [TruthTalk] ***Respose 
-ModeratorcommentADHOM*
I called you a Mormon-to which you do 
not deny-You called me a Christian to wit I did not deny. By doing 
so you separated the two-and as receiving the first (Mormon) and 
tagging me with the second(Christian) you have clearly showed 
yourself to be non 
ChristianDAVEH: 
What kind of convoluted logic is that, Judge Dean??? Does any 
other TTer who understands what Dean said above, agree with his 
explanation?You DaveH are a 
Pagan.DAVEH: 
I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment 
is a blatant ad-hom, and I will request Judge Moore take the 
appropriate action if you do not wish to apologize.he 
fact that you do not follow the teaching of Jesus 
ChristDAVEH: Is 
that coming from Judge Dean, or Judge Moore?Get over it the truth is not an Ad. 
Homein 
attackDAVEH: 
Really?!?!?!?! Did you just make a new TT rule, Judge 
Moore? Or was that Judge Dean expressing his unfounded 
wishes?state a 
petition to impeach 
meDAVEH: 
Seems to me that you 

RE: [TruthTalk] Judge Dean/ Pagan Dave

[Dean Moore]

- Original Message - 
From: Dave 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/12/2006 10:54:50 AM 
Subject: [TruthTalk] Judge Dean

Why are you provoking me to have to deal with this as moderator DaveH?DAVEH: I use the Judge Dean/Moore monikers to remind TTers (including myself) to whom I speaking. It was not long ago that you mentioned that I have a problem distinguishing TTer Dean from the moderator, and then you referred to yourself as Judge Moore, if I remember correctly. Since it appears to me that you are judgmental from both positions, I've found it expedient to use both terms when referring to you in order to assist in remembering to which Dean I'm speaking.
cd: Huh? Do you mean that you are really trying to remember which name is proper to use Pagan Dave? Honest? Why do you consider this to be a provocation? Do you not pass judgment as both a moderator (e.g. when you excommunicated the Bishop) and as a regular TTer, such as when you call me a pagan? OrWere you making the pagan judgment while you were wearing the moderator's cap?
cd: Wasn't you the one that brought up the fact that this wasn't a church not long past?How then can one be excommunicated from a site? No, when I put on that cap it gets serious.Can you not defend your religion without making this a moderator issue?DAVEH: You made it a moderator issue when you suggested that I could not separate Dean from the moderator. I assume you would agree with methat Dean does make judgments? If so, then why would you find the term a problem, since it describes you appropriately? Furthermore, did you not suggest that saying the truth is not an ad-homif so, then referring to you as Judge Dean seems not only appropriate, but neither should it be offensive. If I am wrong about this, have Judge Moore reprimand me.right after he reprimands Judge Dean for calling me a pagan.
cd: But ,Pagan Dave I am proving/have proved thatyou are not a Christian and are in fact a Pagan(wolf in sheep clothing). You have yet to prove that I am not Judge Moore and show I am indeed Judge Dean-or be guilty of Ad. Hom and face the full intent of the law-I would get to work if I were you. Time is shorter then you think.?Dean Moore wrote: 



Note that I noticed the Judge Dean remark- Why are you provoking me to have to deal with this as moderator DaveH? Can you not defend your religion without making this a moderator issue?



- Original Message - 
From: Dave 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/12/2006 1:50:26 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] David Miller 2
the red is much easier to read , for meDAVEH: And therein lies the problem, Bishop. If I make my posts are easier to read, then it is much more likely you will be convinced of my arguments. HenceJudge Dean must think you will soon be converted to Mormonism, and he finds that possibility to be offensive. ;-)  BTW.You are close to converting, aren't you Bishop? (There is always room for another Bishop in the Church.) :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Actually, the red is much easier to read , for me.

jd

-- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


cd: David -Why is it not an offence for DaveH to alter my words? I wrote in blue on a 10 scale-if you will read the below my words were altered by DaveH to red and farther down to a size 12 scale-this is an obvious attempt to make me sound harsh while Davehkept his wording at common black size 10 scale?




- Original Message - 
From: Dave Hansen 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/9/2006 12:33:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ***Respose -ModeratorcommentADHOM*
I called you a Mormon-to which you do not deny-You called me a Christian to wit I did not deny. By doing so you separated the two-and as receiving the first (Mormon) and tagging me with the second(Christian) you have clearly showed yourself to be non ChristianDAVEH: What kind of convoluted logic is that, Judge Dean??? Does any other TTer who understands what Dean said above, agree with his explanation?You DaveH are a Pagan.DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-hom, and I will request Judge Moore take the appropriate action if you do not wish to apologize.he fact that you do not follow the teaching of Jesus ChristDAVEH: Is that coming from Judge Dean, or Judge Moore?Get over it the truth is not an Ad. Homein attackDAVEH: Really?!?!?!?! Did you just make a new TT rule, Judge Moore? Or was that Judge Dean expressing his unfounded wishes?state a petition to impeach meDAVEH: Seems to me that you are doing a good job of it on your own.I am not Judge DeanDAVEH: Then am I to assume that every time you pass judgment, you are speaking as Judge Moore?by your standards isn't that Ad. Homein attackingDAVEH: ??? I thought we were playing the game by your standards, Judge Dean! Hence.Get over it the truth is not an Ad. Homein attack according to you.I will have to go to 

Re: [TruthTalk] John Dean Hitler and Christ

[Dean Moore]

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/2/2006 2:55:20 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] John Dean Hitler and Christ

Amen. Awesome point -- aaa, wait a minute -- that was me who said that. 

and the point of the repost? 

:-) Yeah David tell me I'm wrong now? 

jd



- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/1/2006 7:55:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] John Dean Hitler and Christ

Dean wrote:  You guys are stating that Christ was no  different than Hitler David wrote:Not true.cd: Yes true -read John responces-he said this.
Dean -- please paste the quotes from me that cause you to say this. I am curious.

jd wrote on1/31/06
Christ did what no other man had done - He lived that covenant partnership perfected with the same human nature you and Judy and Adolph Hitler have.









-- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [Original Message]   From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Date: 2/1/2006 9:04:04 AM   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? Dean wrote:Then how can can the Second Adam bethe same as the first? He's not. Jesus was unique because of his spirit, not his flesh. Dean wrote:You guys are stating that Christ was nodifferent than Hitler Not true.  cd: Yes true -read John responces-he said this. Dean wrote:but Hitler was the same as the first Adam"ex
 actly the same"-in the above you showthe second Adam to be different. This isour point.If Christ was the same as the firstwe are still in our sins Bill. Nobody is saying that Jesus was not different. We are talking about the   details of how he was unique. Was his physical body unique, or his  spirit,   or both? We say his spirit was unique. His birth was unique. On the  other   hand, his physical body came from the loins of David.  --  cd: I have no problem with this as He was flesh and blood-but not as common  man.    How do you deal with   Acts 2:30, Dean?  --  cd: Leave to a church of God member to being up Acts 2 :-)I think it is a  good passage that I agree with David. Christ came from the loins of King
  David as God swore with an oath-and you point?  --- David Miller --   "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may  know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)  http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a  friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. --  "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how  you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org   If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will b
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Re: [TruthTalk] John Dean Hitler and Christ

[knpraise]

Dean wrote:  You guys are stating that Christ was no  different than Hitler Not true.cd: Yes true -read John responces-he said this.
Dean -- please paste the quotes from me that cause you to say this. I am curious. 





-- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [Original Message]   From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To:   Date: 2/1/2006 9:04:04 AM   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? Dean wrote:Then how can can the Second Adam bethe same as the first? He's not. Jesus was unique because of his spirit, not his flesh. Dean wrote:You guys are stating that Christ was nodifferent than Hitler Not true.  cd: Yes true -read John responces-he said this. Dean wrote:but Hitler was the same as the first Adam"ex
actly the same"-in the above you showthe second Adam to be different. This isour point.If Christ was the same as the firstwe are still in our sins Bill. Nobody is saying that Jesus was not different. We are talking about the   details of how he was unique. Was his physical body unique, or his  spirit,   or both? We say his spirit was unique. His birth was unique. On the  other   hand, his physical body came from the loins of David.  --  cd: I have no problem with this as He was flesh and blood-but not as common  man.    How do you deal with   Acts 2:30, Dean?  --  cd: Leave to a church of God member to being up Acts 2 :-)I think it is a  good passage that I agree with David. Christ came from the loins of King 
 David as God swore with an oath-and you point?  --- David Miller --   "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may  know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)  http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a  friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. --  "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how  you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org   If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be
 unsubscribed. If you have a friend  who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and  he will be subscribed. 

Re: [TruthTalk] John Dean Hitler and Christ

[Dean Moore]

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/1/2006 7:55:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] John Dean Hitler and Christ

Dean wrote:  You guys are stating that Christ was no  different than Hitler Not true.cd: Yes true -read John responces-he said this.
Dean -- please paste the quotes from me that cause you to say this. I am curious.

jd wrote on1/31/06
Christ did what no other man had done - He lived that covenant partnership perfected with the same human nature you and Judy and Adolph Hitler have.





-- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [Original Message]   From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Date: 2/1/2006 9:04:04 AM   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? Dean wrote:Then how can can the Second Adam bethe same as the first? He's not. Jesus was unique because of his spirit, not his flesh. Dean wrote:You guys are stating that Christ was nodifferent than Hitler Not true.  cd: Yes true -read John responces-he said this. Dean wrote:but Hitler was the same as the first Adam"ex
 actly the same"-in the above you showthe second Adam to be different. This isour point.If Christ was the same as the firstwe are still in our sins Bill. Nobody is saying that Jesus was not different. We are talking about the   details of how he was unique. Was his physical body unique, or his  spirit,   or both? We say his spirit was unique. His birth was unique. On the  other   hand, his physical body came from the loins of David.  --  cd: I have no problem with this as He was flesh and blood-but not as common  man.    How do you deal with   Acts 2:30, Dean?  --  cd: Leave to a church of God member to being up Acts 2 :-)I think it is a  good passage that I agree with David. Christ came from the loins of King
  David as God swore with an oath-and you point?  --- David Miller --   "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may  know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)  http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a  friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. --  "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how  you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org   If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will b
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Re: [TruthTalk] John Dean Hitler and Christ

[knpraise]

Amen. Awesome point -- aaa, wait a minute -- that was me who said that. 

and the point of the repost? 

jd



- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/1/2006 7:55:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] John Dean Hitler and Christ

Dean wrote:  You guys are stating that Christ was no  different than Hitler Not true.cd: Yes true -read John responces-he said this.
Dean -- please paste the quotes from me that cause you to say this. I am curious.

jd wrote on1/31/06
Christ did what no other man had done - He lived that covenant partnership perfected with the same human nature you and Judy and Adolph Hitler have.









-- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [Original Message]   From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Date: 2/1/2006 9:04:04 AM   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? Dean wrote:Then how can can the Second Adam bethe same as the first? He's not. Jesus was unique because of his spirit, not his flesh. Dean wrote:You guys are stating that Christ was nodifferent than Hitler Not true.  cd: Yes true -read John responces-he said this. Dean wrote:but Hitler was the same as the first Adam"ex
 actly the same"-in the above you showthe second Adam to be different. This isour point.If Christ was the same as the firstwe are still in our sins Bill. Nobody is saying that Jesus was not different. We are talking about the   details of how he was unique. Was his physical body unique, or his  spirit,   or both? We say his spirit was unique. His birth was unique. On the  other   hand, his physical body came from the loins of David.  --  cd: I have no problem with this as He was flesh and blood-but not as common  man.    How do you deal with   Acts 2:30, Dean?  --  cd: Leave to a church of God member to being up Acts 2 :-)I think it is a  good passage that I agree with David. Christ came from the loins of King
  David as God swore with an oath-and you point?  --- David Miller --   "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may  know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)  http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a  friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. --  "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how  you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org   If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will b
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Re: [TruthTalk] For Dean

[Dean Moore]

cd: I don't think Judy needs help from anybody-as She has the Holy Spirit and some lionesses hunt alone..




- Original Message - 
From: Judy Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/19/2005 9:10:36 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] For Dean

Not hardly  but I have to say he is an encouragement because healong with the 
other brothers you eschew are seeking the narrow path that leads to life

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:55:00 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Interpretation of PS:Where is Kevin?? Help, Kevin!

- Original Message - 
From: Judy Taylor 
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: December 19, 2005 08:47
Subject: [TruthTalk] For Dean

I'll pray for your localchurch home pilgrimage also .. thanks for
sharing. judyt

PS: Where is Kevin??

 judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)

RE: [TruthTalk] For Dean

[Dean Moore]

cd: Thank you Sister. Knowing Kevin he is out preaching as a lot is happening in his neck of the woods.




- Original Message - 
From: Judy Taylor 
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/19/2005 8:50:00 AM 
Subject: [TruthTalk] For Dean

I'll pray for your localchurch home pilgrimage also .. thanks for
sharing. judyt

PS: Where is Kevin??

 judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] For Dean

[Lance Muir]

I concur that Judy has all the help she needs(ed) (gone 
but not forgotten. I was joking.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 20, 2005 06:41
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] For Dean
  
  
  cd: I don't think Judy needs help from anybody-as She has the Holy Spirit 
  and some lionesses hunt alone..
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Judy 
Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/19/2005 9:10:36 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] For Dean

Not hardly  but I have to say he is an 
encouragement because healong with the 

other brothers you eschew are seeking the narrow 
path that leads to life

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:55:00 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Interpretation of PS:Where is Kevin?? Help, 
  Kevin!
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Judy 
Taylor 
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: December 19, 2005 08:47
Subject: [TruthTalk] For Dean

I'll pray for your 
localchurch home pilgrimage also .. thanks for
sharing. 
judyt

PS: Where is Kevin??

 
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
  

Re: [TruthTalk] For Dean

[Lance Muir]

Interpretation of PS:Where is Kevin?? Help, 
Kevin!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 19, 2005 08:47
  Subject: [TruthTalk] For Dean
  
  I'll pray for your localchurch 
  home pilgrimage also .. thanks for
  sharing. 
  judyt
  
  PS: Where is Kevin??
  
   
  judyt 
  He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
  Commandments 
  is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] For Dean

[Judy Taylor]

Not hardly  but I have to say he is an 
encouragement because healong with the 

other brothers you eschew are seeking the narrow path 
that leads to life

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:55:00 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Interpretation of PS:Where is Kevin?? Help, 
  Kevin!
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Judy 
Taylor 
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: December 19, 2005 08:47
Subject: [TruthTalk] For Dean

I'll pray for your 
localchurch home pilgrimage also .. thanks for
sharing. 
judyt

PS: Where is Kevin??

 
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
  

Re: [TruthTalk] For Dean

[Lance Muir]

A the good old dualistic narrow 
path!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 19, 2005 09:08
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] For Dean
  
  Not hardly  but I have to say he is an 
  encouragement because healong with the 
  
  other brothers you eschew are seeking the narrow path 
  that leads to life
  
  On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:55:00 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
  
Interpretation of PS:Where is Kevin?? Help, 
Kevin!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 19, 2005 08:47
  Subject: [TruthTalk] For Dean
  
  I'll pray for your 
  localchurch home pilgrimage also .. thanks for
  sharing. 
  judyt
  
  PS: Where is Kevin??
  
   
  judyt 
  He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
  Commandments 
  is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] Terry/Dean

[Terry Clifton]

I am always a little surprised to find that what one person 
considers obedience, anotherperson sees as legalism.
Jesus plainly gave a command in Matthew five. Do not 
throw 
that which is Holy to those who would trample it. It is a command straight from our Lord,
to be obeyed, not a legalistic ritualbased on Mosaic law. I have great freedom in Christ but not the freedom to disobey a specific order. My question to
you is the same one I asked Judy. If those who sneer ar God's Holy word and wallow is sin the way a swine loves mud are not the hogs and the dogs of Matthew five,who is? If God has removed any longing for Him from their minds and abandoned them to their uncleanness,as 
His word says He has, why do we insist on thinking that 
God is too loving to ever do what He plainly says He has done?
"Splain that to me.

Terry

-I agree
 with your accessment of this perversion, but would like to add that not
all sodomites are reprobated.
Jesus can also liberate this type of sinner as His grace is more than
enough to cover even this sin.
 The difference in our view seem to reach into the area of legalism which
bound the Priest and the Levite while
on the road to Jericho in Luke 10:25-37. 
















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Re: [TruthTalk] Terry/Dean

[Carrolll Moore]

- Original Message - 
From: Terry Clifton 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11/23/2003 12:04:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Terry/Dean













I am always a little surprised to find that what one person 
considers obedience, anotherperson sees as legalism.
Jesus plainly gave a command in Matthew five. Do not 
throw 
that which is Holy to those who would trample it. It is a command straight from our Lord,
to be obeyed, not a legalistic ritualbased on Mosaic law. I have great freedom in Christ but not the freedom to disobey a specific order. My question to
you is the same one I asked Judy. If those who sneer ar God's Holy word and wallow is sin the way a swine loves mud are not the hogs and the dogs of Matthew five,who is? If God has removed any longing for Him from their minds and abandoned them to their uncleanness,as 
His word says He has, why do we insist on thinking that 
God is too loving to ever do what He plainly says He has done?
"Splain that to me.

Terry
Dean writes:
Brother I for one don't perceive you as being wrong on you accessment of those that are reprobated-but not all those in the masses of Sodomites are reprobated-I have spoken to many that don't understand who Jesus really is or why they need a savior.It could be argued that there areswine in this same mass that I preach too-but remember there were also swine in the masses that Jesus/Paul preached too also-Yet they still delivered the message. I feel that you need to define what a pearl is. If -as you say- if it is the Gospel then both Jesus and Paul did wrong by cast their pearl before swine.That I can not believe- so there must be more to it then the simple message of the Gospel. I take tomean that which comes after the simple message of the gospel-Those thing God gives us as a testimony-which we lift up in song unto the deeper thing of God's word. But the simple message is for all as in the Great commission-Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every living creature (Mark 16:15). Bro it di
dn't say to preach it all but the swine-it said to all. Even those who had heard it are still accountable for on that day God will say" I didn't only send one preacher to warn you but I sent many-therefore you have no excuse. Then the punishment is more severe. 
Romans 10:21 All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
Ask yourself why God would do this-He knew that they wouldn't come because of a hard heart-yet he still reached for them. By your defination-God did wrong by reaching for those people.I see it as giving them every chance in the world to come to salvation-and woe be unto those that hear and still don't come-and a worse woe to those that come yet return to their sins. This is my viewand should be examined for truth.

-I agree
 with your accessment of this perversion, but would like to add that not
all sodomites are reprobated.
Jesus can also liberate this type of sinner as His grace is more than
enough to cover even this sin.
 The difference in our view seem to reach into the area of legalism which
bound the Priest and the Levite while
on the road to Jericho in Luke 10:25-37. 
















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RE: [TruthTalk] Terry/Dean

[ShieldsFamily]

I cant believe that Terry actually wrote this. Youre
starting to get it at last my Friend! LOL! Izzy




 
  
  
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I am always a little surprised
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Re: [TruthTalk] Terry/Dean

[Carrolll Moore]

 From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Judy:
 I do not want to walk in the shoes of a reprobate.  I do not even want to
 think for one moment that sex with another man would be anything but
 totally disgusting to God, and to me.  He has not commanded me to
 understand them, He has commanded me to let them pile up their sins until
 He pulls their plug.  I intend to do as God says.
  Dean writes: Terry I apologize to this list for not responding sooner but
my time is limited-I agree
 with your accessment of this perversion, but would like to add that not
all sodomites are reprobated.
Jesus can also liberate this type of sinner as His grace is more than
enough to cover even this sin.
 The difference in our view seem to reach into the area of legalism which
bound the Priest and the Levite while
on the road to Jericho in Luke 10:25-37. Those whom wanted to keep the law
could would even help this poor man that fell among thieves. Yet Jesus
tells of a gentile who showed love for this man. The Priest couldn't help
this man probably because he perceived his as being dead and by law had to
keep a distance so he walked on the far side of the road. The Levite was
forbidding to help a dog so he could help either  and also passed by-but
the Samaritan had compassion and did help.In leu of this I have compassion
 for the sodomite who is headed for a devils hell . For me this is the
spirit of Christ's teachings-For love conquers all.Yes- there is no doubt
that there are reprobate in the groups that we preach to but there are also
future St, Paul's (who was even a murder at one time) and even a few future
Peters in the mist of that same group.For me it helps to remember that the
sword-which is the word of God-cuts both ways. It will help those intended
and it will add to the sins of those God wants to bring to a full measure.
I don't think it is our choice whom God helps or hinders-we are just
messengers putting the word out-as commanded.We are not to decide who
deserves help or who doesn't. Yes,there are time when God's spirit tells me
to walk away and I do-but recently at Southern Decadence in New Orleans I
viewed a sodomite at the back of the crowd clinging to a light poles with
his head down crying like a baby-due to what I perceived to be
conviction-this is why I go there- in part-The other part has to do with
pressing evil back as far as I possibly can-as God allows me to do so. We
are told to resist evil-this is one way to do so. Just my opinion of course.



 This is not easy to do.  We have one in our family, a nephew.  He is that
 way by choice.  Had he been raised differently, he might not have made
 that choice, but the choice was still a choice, and he made it.  It is
 his lifestyle and he will very likely die and go to Hell.

Dean writes:
 Terry-My son is a bisexual which is the same as a Sodomite-He was raised
in Church (age  9-14) for part of his life ( he had also regarded me as a
lost man and I believe is suffering for my sins that I brought into our
home-drinking,violence..etc)-with much bible study at home but he fell to
an evil spirit-at age 14 (he is 21 now). I have no dealings with my son but
will fight against the spirit that has enslaved him-My prayer is that God
will liberate him and I know he will -in his time.I would ask this group to
pray for him. This will happen to all those that lose fear of God.


 You might want to re-examine your response because we are not talking
 about walking in the way of the world.  We are talking about lusting
 after the flesh, homosexual and bi-sexual perversion.  People that God
 has given over to their lusts.  To them, an abomination is not a sin.
 Terry
Dean writes:
 Yes-giving over to the lusts of the flesh but not all giving over to
reprobation.


 Hi Terry:
 True, but we need to remember that there, but for the grace of God go I
 - that kind of sin has not been my problem but I have others and then we
 have the iniquities passed down generationally.

 Remember God is merciful and not willing for any to perish.  We may hate
 what they do but we must reach out to the person whenever possible in
 love rather than rejection because they know when we are rejecting and
 disrespecting them.
 Jesus hated sin but loved the sinner - why can't we?
Dean writes:
Judy, while I believe one should have compassion on the sinner-God doesn't
just put the sin into hell-he puts the sinner there also. He will grind
them to power and literally rip them apart on that day. In regards to your
statement of God hated the sin but loved the sinner-I feel that this type
of teaching is from the devil himself who uses it to breed sodomites and
all manner of sinners unto the very destruction of the church itself-but
God will keep his number. The people on the street use this wrong doctrine
to justify their sins as believing they are a part of the church-but in
fact this is the apostate church.
 I John 2 :4 He that saith,I know him,and keepeth not his commandments,is a
liar,and the truth 

Re: [TruthTalk] Terry/Dean

[Terry Clifton]

No argument that grace can cover every sin except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. I would argue that just because grace CAN cover sin, even grace has a limit, andis no longer availableto those that God has given over to a reprobate mind. They had their opportunity once, but God no longer beckons them. Certainly some homosexuals can be saved prior to becoming reprobate and just when this happens I do not know, but after it does happen, it seems fairly obvious, at least to me. I suspect that the dividing line is the point when they no longer lament their sin and give themselves completely to wallowing in it.

Terry


-I agree
 with your accessment of this perversion, but would like to add that not
all sodomites are reprobated.
Jesus can also liberate this type of sinner as His grace is more than
enough to cover even this sin.
 The difference in our view seem to reach into the area of legalism which
bound the Priest and the Levite while
on the road to Jericho in Luke 10:25-37. 







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Re: [TruthTalk] Terry/Dean

[Carrolll Moore]

- Original Message - 
From: Terry Clifton 
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Sent: 11/22/2003 8:45:01 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Terry/Dean





No argument that grace can cover every sin except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. I would argue that just because grace CAN cover sin, even grace has a limit, andis no longer availableto those that God has given over to a reprobate mind. They had their opportunity once, but God no longer beckons them. Certainly some homosexuals can be saved prior to becoming reprobate and just when this happens I do not know, but after it does happen, it seems fairly obvious, at least to me. I suspect that the dividing line is the point when they no longer lament their sin and give themselves completely to wallowing in it.

Terry
Dean writes:
While I believe that grace can be resisted-I don't believe it can be limited for God sets it boundaries. Sodomy
as an act does not always reprobate but can and often will reprobate a person as God decides.In my opinion.


-I agree
 with your accessment of this perversion, but would like to add that not
all sodomites are reprobated.
Jesus can also liberate this type of sinner as His grace is more than
enough to cover even this sin.
 The difference in our view seem to reach into the area of legalism which
bound the Priest and the Levite while
on the road to Jericho in Luke 10:25-37. 







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