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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism  Freemasonry(update on remnant of Jacob)



Blainerb: The Lord'swords never cease--he is the same yesterday, today and forever. Look in your Bible. The words of the Lord never ceased, except to fulfill the prophecy of Amos 8:11
"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord."

This happened during the dark ages, when even the written word was in a dead language--Latin--and the only prophecies heard were those made by astrologers and the like--from uninspired lips. But as the scriptures were translated into native languages and were printed for the masses, the famine began to come to an end. 

cd: NoBlaine respectfully, you are wrong-This happen from Malachi to Matthew as there was over 400 years of silence from heaven as foretold in Isaiah 53:2 ... as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground...Then John came forth to proclaim the coming of Christ to prepare the way for him. Who prepared the way for J. Smith? What was his name ? What did he say?Tell me so I too can learn?

But when more of the word of the Lord than whathad been theretofore printed came to light, the preachers of the day rejected it--"A Bible, A Bible, we have a Bible and we need no more Bible," they said, and they continue to say it today. They say it for gain. The Lord's work, which like his word never ceases, does not pay well if the clergy are laymen, which they are in the Lord's church, and which they were in the original church. They went out without purse or script--no money, no big salaries.You are a deceived people. You are deceived by your ministers, who preach for gain.

cd: I am a minister of God's word and nobody has ever paid me -but through the years people have given me money while on on the street and a couple of times afterI preached in Churches-to which I told themI do not charge for preaching and took the money-upon their insistence- after they clearly understood it would be used to feed the brethren on some preaching event-and to allow those who give to receive a blessing-and to the best of my memory it was used for that. I know many more who do likewise Blaine-David MI suspect would do likewise.Jesus gave us freely we are told to do the same. In SLC in a freezing rainI once was given an umbrella by a Mormon who clearly hated my guts-to whichI took it and said thank you as He angry walked off in the rain. I then turned and gave it to a women who was wet and cold and she was delighted and i told her to give God the thanks. Who did the greater good Blaine? The one with the hard giving heart or me as I still delight in the women's smile
? By the way, the word of God is enough for me and I need no more bible but the world needs more ofwhat is in Christ's/my bible for that Grace alone is sufficient as Christ told Paul in 2Cor. 12:9-why doI need more. I offer that grace to you Blaine just take a step in that direction and the rest will take care of itself-Just a little faith in Christ alone is enough.

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-09 Thread David Miller




Blaine wrote:
 Let's face it, SPs were not popular even 
 among those opposed to thePlaza.

Do you mean, "even among those opposed 
to the PRIVATIZATION of the Plaza"?

I'm only asking you to consider the 
ultimate WHY concerningthe objection to Street Preachers. There are 
many reasons that people state that sound legitimate, but the true reasons are 
often under the surface. From my perspective, the motivation ofthose 
who supported privatizing the Plaza was power / control and money. The 
motivation of the street preachers was none of these things. They paid out 
of their own pocket to be there. Nobody paid them a cent. I discern 
nodesire on their part to control others.As far as I can tell, 
theironly motivation was to have their message heard. That could 
have been resolved in a less expensive way by invitingthe Street Preachers 
to come indoors in a more orderly forum and deliver their message. There 
weremany others ways to resolve this matter, and the costly solution 
arrived at is still not an ultimate solution. 

Peace be with you.David 
Miller.


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  Blainerb: You may have a point there, David--the value of the 
  propertybeing offered to the city by the LDS Church was no small amount 
  (but it is conjectural only). Rocky gave his reasons, which 
  appeared in print and on TV several times, and included were his personal 
  experiences watching SPs on the Plaza--he also expressed fears that such would 
  get worse, not better. His interest was mainly in bringing the divergent 
  groups in the city together in a compromise situation, and the fact that the 
  LDS Church sweetened thatsituation was only part of the deal. He 
  maintained that the bottom line was the behavior of the SPs--he 
  wasclearly afraid of that sort of thing creating more divisiveness, 
  which, more than anything,would posea threat to his continuance as Mayor 
  of the city--so, it had political overtones, I guess you might say, as 
  well.Let's face it, SPs were not popular even among those opposed 
  to thePlaza.  
  
  
  In a message dated 1/8/2006 6:02:24 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Blaine, if money were 
not involved, don't you think the outcome would have been a bit 
different? Follow the money, Blaine. The love of money is the 
root of all evil. The Mormons supplied the money. The city 
leaders took it. Think about it.Peace be with 
you.David Miller.- Original Message - From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sunday, 
January 08, 2006 7:48 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism  
FreemasonryIn a message dated 1/8/2006 8:30:42 A.M. Mountain 
Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Hey Judy, I've got a 
question for you: When Street Preachers point their fingers at Blaine 
and say 'Repent or you're going to hell!" is that 
righteous?Blainerb: Answer, but from Blaine, not Judy: 
NO!! :) Street Preachers do more harm than good--that is 
the consensus of opinion, at least among the more righteous preachers 
of traditional Christianity. Even Rocky Anderson, Salt Lake 
City Mayor, a former ACLU Attorney, was turned off by the insolent 
behavior of the street preachers. He finally sided with the LDS 
Church on the Plaza issue, mainly because of the 
SPs.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned 
with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." 
(Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org

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In a message dated 1/8/2006 8:30:42 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hey Judy, I've got a question for you: When Street Preachers point their fingers at Blaine and say 'Repent or you're going to hell!" is that righteous?

Blainerb: Answer, but from Blaine, not Judy: NO!! :) Street Preachers do more harm than good--that is the consensus of opinion, at least among the more righteous preachers of traditional Christianity. Even Rocky Anderson, Salt Lake City Mayor, a former ACLU Attorney, was turned off by the insolent behavior of the street preachers. He finally sided with the LDS Church on the Plaza issue, mainly because of the SPs.


Cd: Blaine why would an atheist member of an atheists organizations- as is the ACLU- ever agree with the word of God. I preach Jesus and Him crucified to the world. How I not done so on this site? This alone offend the God haters such as the ACLU. What one should be concerned with is why would any member of this atheists organization side with your religion?What does God and mammon have in common?

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Blainerb: You may have a point there, David--the value of the propertybeing offered to the city by the LDS Church was no small amount (but it is conjectural only). Rocky gave his reasons, which appeared in print and on TV several times, and included were his personal experiences watching SPs on the Plaza--he also expressed fears that such would get worse, not better. His interest was mainly in bringing the divergent groups in the city together in a compromise situation, and the fact that the LDS Church sweetened thatsituation was only part of the deal. He maintained that the bottom line was the behavior of the SPs--he wasclearly afraid of that sort of thing creating more divisiveness, which, more than anything,would posea threat to his continuance as Mayor of the city--so, it had political overtones, I guess you might say, as well.Let's face it, SPs were not popular even among those opposed to thePlaza.

cd: Nor do we seek popularity Blaine-We seek only to preach Christ to those on in SLC where we have seen many conversions. If this causes the Mayor grief then he should look unto his own life and why would this make him unpopular-not find fault in what we preach as we know the whole world will hate us but we are of good cheer because it hated our master before us and we are not greater than Him.If I went to Mecca would I be popular? Why not? How far do you think those Moslems would go to stop us:-)


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Blaine, if money were not involved, don't you think the outcome would have been a bit different? Follow the money, Blaine. The love of money is the root of all evil. The Mormons supplied the money. The city leaders took it. Think about it.Peace be with you.David Miller.- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 7:48 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism  FreemasonryIn a message dated 1/8/2006 8:30:42 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Hey Judy, I've got a question for you: When Street Preachers point their fingers at Blaine and say 'Repent or you're going to hell!" is that righteous?Blainerb: Answer, but from Blaine, not Judy: NO!! :) Street 
Preachers do more harm than good--that is the consensus of opinion, at least among the more righteous preachers of traditional Christianity. Even Rocky Anderson, Salt Lake City Mayor, a former ACLU Attorney, was turned off by the insolent behavior of the street preachers. He finally sided with the LDS Church on the Plaza issue, mainly because of the SPs.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org

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Sent: 1/8/2006 12:49:41 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism  Freemasonry


Hi Dean. My question was to Judy. If when she answers it, you still want to have a discussion, just say so and I'll come back to your points.

Bill

(By the way, that may be your practice, but it does not seem to be typical of Street Preachers. I have been to the 16th Street Mall in Denver on more than one occasion, minding my own business, only to have an SP hollar at me to repent or I'm going to hell. Well, how the hell would he know? He doesn't know me at all. He just figures, given the odds, that I am reprobate. That, in my opinion, is lazy evangelism; moreover, it's symptomatic of Wife-Beater Syndrome -- poor galhangs out atthe bar and just can't seem to find a man who won't beat her: Go to the mall and insult people, 'til one of them beats the snout out of you, so you can praise God forhaving been pursecuted. It doesn't make much sense to me.)

cd: Hello Bill. I cannot answer for all Street Preachersas I believe each person will give account for what they preach but we often try to help other preachers convey the truth by correction with love to a deeper understanding of Christ. I would like to know if this preacher spoke of Christ and grace or was it just Repent or you will go to hell". How much time did you listen to him preach?

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-09 Thread Taylor




I have had several encounters with SPs over the years, Dean. And I have 
observed Kevin's approach to ministry here on TT, not to mention others who have 
drifted in and out over the last couple of years.And so,I will be 
the first to admit to a limited experience. Yes, I hung around and listened on 
more than one occasion, as I was curious to see the kinds of reactions their 
preaching provoked. And no, it didn't seem to me that they everreally got 
tothe Gospel. "Christ," it seemed, was but a segue to the soul of their 
message: "Repent, or be damn!" 

Having said that, I am opened to having misjudged Street Preachers as a 
whole, by the few I have encountered. That is why I am open to meeting you in 
N.O.

Bill

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Sent: 1/8/2006 12:49:41 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism 
 Freemasonry


Hi Dean. My question was to Judy. If when she answers it, you still 
want to have a discussion, just say so and I'll come back to your 
points.

Bill

(By the way, that may be your practice, but it does not seem to be 
typical of Street Preachers. I have been to the 16th Street Mall in Denver 
on more than one occasion, minding my own business, only to have an SP 
hollar at me to repent or I'm going to hell. Well, how the hell would he 
know? He doesn't know me at all. He just figures, given the odds, that I am 
reprobate. That, in my opinion, is lazy evangelism; moreover, it's 
symptomatic of Wife-Beater Syndrome -- poor galhangs out atthe 
bar and just can't seem to find a man who won't beat her: Go to the mall and 
insult people, 'til one of them beats the snout out of you, so you can 
praise God forhaving been pursecuted. It doesn't make much sense to 
me.)

cd: Hello Bill. I cannot answer for all Street 
Preachersas I believe each person will give account for what they 
preach but we often try to help other preachers convey the truth by 
correction with love to a deeper understanding of Christ. I would like to 
know if this preacher spoke of Christ and grace or was it just Repent or you 
will go to hell". How much time did you listen to him preach?





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"Judge not according to the appearance, but 
judge righteous judgment"
 Jesus the Christ (John 
7:24)

Blaine are you saying that Dylan's pointing the 
finger at others is righteous?

On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 01:32:37 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  Judge not that ye be not judged--
  Blainerb
  
  
  In a message dated 1/7/2006 3:23:17 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Hmmm! Dylan ought to be much 
more concerned about being him on that day.

On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:25:35 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Well, your clock is gonna stopAt Saint 
  Peter's gate.Ya gonna ask him what time it is,He's gonna say, 
  "It's too late."Hey, hey!_I'd sure hate to be youOn that 
  dreadful day._
  
  You're gonna start to sweatAnd you ain't 
  gonna stop.You're gonna have a nightmareAnd never wake up.Hey, 
  hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
  day.
  
  You're gonna cry for pillsAnd your head's 
  gonna be in a knot,But the pills are gonna cost moreThan what 
  you've got.Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
  day.
  
  You're gonna have to walk naked,Can't ride 
  in no car.You're gonna let ev'rybody seeJust what you are.Hey, 
  hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
  day.
  
  Well, the good wine's a-flowin'For five 
  cents a quart.You're gonna look in your moneybagsAnd find you're 
  one cent short.Hey, hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that 
  dreadful day.
  
  You're gonna yell and scream,"Don't anybody 
  care?"You're gonna hear out a voice say,"Shoulda listened when 
  you heard the word down there."Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be 
  youOn that dreadful day.Bob Dylan :: 
  Copyright © 1964
  
  On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
e.g., let's 
say BT (of TT)confidently commentscreatively 
onnecessities (also, germane to Protestant thought, i 
suspect)disclosed discreetly from certain 
revelation per se and 
all that you(two cult-apostles like 
DavidM)would have to say about it is that he (too)rejects 
'greater revelation'?


On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:02:45 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  DAVEH: Certainly, none on TT.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  

what Protestants would say they need 
it?

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Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry(update on remnant of Jacob)




cd: One Americansoldier with one tank could yell in Mexico "Come joinMe and be an AmericanNationby over throwing the Government"!And thatnation would fall:-) Now back to the topic at hand-Blain what do you think an Idol is? Is Mary one and why?




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Blainerb: What John andbrother Moore have written belowis the crux of what God meant when he told Joseph Smith that the Protestant ministers of the day taught doctrines of men, which had a form of Godliness, but denied the Power thereof. In other words, they denied the "greater revelation," or the possibility of "greater revelation" than that contained in the Bible. 
This will turn to their ultimate condemnation, in the great hereafter, because God has all power--and is the same today, yesterday, and forever--including having the right and ability to give forth "greater revelation." 
If the ministers of Protestant religiondo not repent of this prideful stubbornness, then I am thinking one of the most immediate consequences will be for God to empower the Remnant of Jacob to go through, and destroy the wonderful civilizationthat hasbeen built upover the past two hundred years called the US of A. Those Mexicans, most of whom are descendants of the Aztecs, who by the way worshipped Quetzalquatl,who was described as being aWhite God who wore a white robe and a beard, just keep coming over the border, don't they? Despite efforts to stay them, and the prophecy contained in 3 Nephi of the BoM creeps closer and closer to being fulfilled every day. I hope when it happens, the "Remnant"will by then have recognized the LDS Church as something other than a "White Guy's" church. 
There is already evidence this is true. The Navajo language has two words for White men: Biligana, which is a derisive term, meaning something like, "White Enemy," and another term which simply means "White brother."The latterisusually applied to members of the LDS Church. 
I spent three years teaching Dine' (Navajos) in Southern Utah, and I know that among them are many who have adopted the Black man's symbol for Black Power--a raised, gloved hand--except the fingers of the glove have been cut off, allowing the red man's fingers to show through at the end of the glove, apparently symbolizing the Red Power Movement that has grown from the Black Power Movement.
You Protestant cowboysmight do well tostrap on your six-shooters, 'cause I believe the day will soon come when the game we played as little kids--Cowboys and Indians--may become a nightmarish reality .. .




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kidding, of course. Actually, I am going to use the bat at the local batting cages. The closest thing to physical excercise that I really want to get, in my old age. 

jd
cd: How old are you John? I am 44 now and kinda like this age. Splitting firewood is enough exercise for me.

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G, let me know when you get my check for the bat. That's right, Dean !! I'm buying a bat !!

jd
cd: What type of bat and what do you plan to do with this bat-shouldI be concernedof answering my door? I Should have kept the wolf/ dog.

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..what if, perhaps. elemental to BTs commentary, there genuinely appears to bea qualitatively greater revelation thanyour 'greater revelation'? 


On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

e.g., let's say BT (of TT)confidently commentscreatively onnecessities (also, germane to Protestant thought, i suspect)disclosed discreetly from certain revelation per se and all that you(two cult-apostles like DavidM)would have to say about it is that he (too)rejects 'greater revelation'?


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what Protestants would say they need it?

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60 years old. I think I am five or six years younger than Judy -- that would make her the matriarch of the forum.

jd
cd: Age and wisdom goes together-if God enlightens. Word while it is still day for the night comes.

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kidding, of course. Actually, I am going to use the bat at the local batting cages. The closest thing to physical excercise that I really want to get, in my old age. 

jd
cd: How old are you John? I am 44 now and kinda like this age. Splitting firewood is enough exercise for me.

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G, let me know when you get my check for the bat. That's right, Dean !! I'm buying a bat !!

jd
cd: What type of bat and what do you plan to do with this bat-shouldI be concernedof answering my door? I Should have kept the wolf/ dog.

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..what if, perhaps. elemental to BTs commentary, there genuinely appears to bea qualitatively greater revelation thanyour 'greater revelation'? 


On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

e.g., let's say BT (of TT)confidently commentscreatively onnecessities (also, germane to Protestant thought, i suspect)disclosed discreetly from certain revelation per se and all that you(two cult-apostles like DavidM)would have to say about it is that he (too)rejects 'greater revelation'?


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what Protestants would say they need it?

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Blainerb: What John andbrother Moore have written belowis the crux of what God meant when he told Joseph Smith that the Protestant ministers of the day taught doctrines of men, which had a form of Godliness, but denied the Power thereof. In other words, they denied the "greater revelation," or the possibility of "greater revelation" than that contained in the Bible. 
This will turn to their ultimate condemnation, in the great hereafter, because God has all power--and is the same today, yesterday, and forever--including having the right and ability to give forth "greater revelation."

cd: Certainly not greater than what Christ has given- from the mouth of another?

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Amen Dean, Amen!

On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:02:44 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  60 years old. I think I am five or six years 
  younger than Judy -- that would make her the matriarch of the 
  forum. jd
  
cd: Age and wisdom goes together-if God enlightens. Word while it is 
still day for the night comes.

From: 
  "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  
  
  kidding, of course. Actually, I am 
  going to use the bat at the local batting cages. The closest thing 
  to physical excercise that I really want to get, in my old age. 
  jd
  
cd: How old are you John? I am 44 now and kinda like this age. 
Splitting firewood is enough exercise for me.

--From: 
  "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  
  
  G, let me know when you get my check for the 
  bat. That's right, Dean !! I'm buying a bat 
  !! jd
  
cd: What type of bat and what do you plan to do with this 
bat-shouldI be concernedof answering my door? I Should 
have kept the wolf/ dog.

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  ..what if, perhaps. elemental to BTs commentary, 
  there genuinely appears to bea qualitatively greater 
  revelation thanyour 'greater revelation'? 
  
  
  
  On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
  
e.g., let's say BT (of TT)confidently 
commentscreatively onnecessities (also, germane to 
Protestant thought, i suspect)disclosed discreetly from 
certain revelation per se 
and all that you(two 
cult-apostles like DavidM)would have to say 
about it is that he (too)rejects 'greater 
revelation'?


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writes:

  DAVEH: Certainly, none on TT.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  
  

what Protestants 
would say they need it?

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2006-01-08 Thread Taylor





Hey Judy, I've got a question for you: When Street Preachers point their 
fingers at Blaine and say 'Repent or you're going to hell!" is that 
righteous?

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  Taylor 
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  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:09 
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  Freemasonry
  
  "Judge not according to the appearance, but 
  judge righteous judgment"
   Jesus the Christ (John 
  7:24)
  
  Blaine are you saying that Dylan's pointing 
  the finger at others is righteous?
  
  On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 01:32:37 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  

Judge not that ye be not judged--
Blainerb


In a message dated 1/7/2006 3:23:17 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Hmmm! Dylan ought to be much 
  more concerned about being him on that day.
  
  On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:25:35 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Well, your clock is gonna stopAt Saint 
Peter's gate.Ya gonna ask him what time it is,He's gonna say, 
"It's too late."Hey, hey!_I'd sure hate to be youOn that 
dreadful day._

You're gonna start to sweatAnd you ain't 
gonna stop.You're gonna have a nightmareAnd never wake 
up.Hey, hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day.

You're gonna cry for pillsAnd your head's 
gonna be in a knot,But the pills are gonna cost moreThan what 
you've got.Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day.

You're gonna have to walk naked,Can't ride 
in no car.You're gonna let ev'rybody seeJust what you 
are.Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day.

Well, the good wine's a-flowin'For five 
cents a quart.You're gonna look in your moneybagsAnd find you're 
one cent short.Hey, hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that 
dreadful day.

You're gonna yell and scream,"Don't 
anybody care?"You're gonna hear out a voice say,"Shoulda 
listened when you heard the word down there."Hey, hey!I'd 
sure hate to be youOn that dreadful day.Bob Dylan :: Copyright © 1964

On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  e.g., 
  let's say BT (of TT)confidently commentscreatively 
  onnecessities (also, germane to Protestant thought, i 
  suspect)disclosed discreetly from certain 
  revelation per se and 
  all that you(two cult-apostles like 
  DavidM)would have to say about it is that he (too)rejects 
  'greater revelation'?
  
  
  On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:02:45 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
  
DAVEH: Certainly, none on TT.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  
  what Protestants would say they need 
  it?
  
  On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:07:00 
  EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  

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Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry









- Original Message - 
From: Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/8/2006 10:30:14 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism  Freemasonry


Hey Judy, I've got a question for you: When Street Preachers point their fingers at Blaine and say 'Repent or you're going to hell!" is that righteous?
cd: Bill-Speaking as a Street Preacher-We do more then just the calling of repentance and warn of the dangers of hell. We Teach, We preach righteousness can be obtained-We discuss the trinity with others- At Mardi Gras we answer thousand of questions a day till our brain shuts down from exhaustion-many of them the same as we answer here.Some of these question are of a wanting to learn nature some are combative. To call for someone to repent or you are going to hell onlyusually happens after all other avenues have been closed or that person does something really nasty in out presence. I also feel that the Holy Spirit has lead us to make those type of proclamations. We are told to do so in the Bible Bill. Tell me haven'tI done more with DaveH and Blain on this site then rebuke-I will admit of having less patience with false prophets but that is biblical also.? It is the same there- We come here so that Iron can sharpen iron. I have decided a long time ago that due to the fact there aren't many willing t
o go to the highway and byways and do the Lords work-as they don't want to see the fields are ready for harvest- that I was not going to stop/hinder anyone ( male ,female,black red, or yellow)from going to those fields (unless sin is present). Lest I find myself warring against God. Please consider my words.

- Original Message - 
From: Judy Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism  Freemasonry

"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment"
 Jesus the Christ (John 7:24)

Blaine are you saying that Dylan's pointing the finger at others is righteous?

On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 01:32:37 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Judge not that ye be not judged--
Blainerb


In a message dated 1/7/2006 3:23:17 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hmmm! Dylan ought to be much more concerned about being him on that day.

On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:25:35 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Well, your clock is gonna stopAt Saint Peter's gate.Ya gonna ask him what time it is,He's gonna say, "It's too late."Hey, hey!_I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful day._

You're gonna start to sweatAnd you ain't gonna stop.You're gonna have a nightmareAnd never wake up.Hey, hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful day.

You're gonna cry for pillsAnd your head's gonna be in a knot,But the pills are gonna cost moreThan what you've got.Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful day.

You're gonna have to walk naked,Can't ride in no car.You're gonna let ev'rybody seeJust what you are.Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful day.

Well, the good wine's a-flowin'For five cents a quart.You're gonna look in your moneybagsAnd find you're one cent short.Hey, hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful day.

You're gonna yell and scream,"Don't anybody care?"You're gonna hear out a voice say,"Shoulda listened when you heard the word down there."Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful day.Bob Dylan :: Copyright © 1964

On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

e.g., let's say BT (of TT)confidently commentscreatively onnecessities (also, germane to Protestant thought, i suspect)disclosed discreetly from certain revelation per se and all that you(two cult-apostles like DavidM)would have to say about it is that he (too)rejects 'greater revelation'?


On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:02:45 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

DAVEH: Certainly, none on TT.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


what Protestants would say they need it?

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:07:00 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


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Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-08 Thread Taylor





Hi Dean. My question was to Judy. If when she answers it, you still want to 
have a discussion, just say so and I'll come back to your points.

Bill

(By the way, that may be your practice, but it does not seem to be typical 
of Street Preachers. I have been to the 16th Street Mall in Denver on more than 
one occasion, minding my own business, only to have an SP hollar at me to repent 
or I'm going to hell. Well, how the hell would he know? He doesn't know me at 
all. He just figures, given the odds, that I am reprobate. That, in my opinion, 
is lazy evangelism; moreover, it's symptomatic of Wife-Beater Syndrome -- poor 
galhangs out atthe bar and just can't seem to find a man who won't 
beat her: Go to the mall and insult people, 'til one of them beats the snout out 
of you, so you can praise God forhaving been pursecuted. It doesn't make 
much sense to me.)

- Original Message - 

  
From: 
Taylor 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/8/2006 10:30:14 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism 
 Freemasonry


Hey Judy, I've got a question for you: When Street Preachers point 
their fingers at Blaine and say 'Repent or you're going to hell!" is that 
righteous?
cd: Bill-Speaking as a Street Preacher-We do more then 
just the calling of repentance and warn of the dangers of hell. We Teach, We 
preach righteousness can be obtained-We discuss the trinity with others- At 
Mardi Gras we answer thousand of questions a day till our brain shuts down 
from exhaustion-many of them the same as we answer here.Some of these 
question are of a wanting to learn nature some are combative. To call for 
someone to repent or you are going to hell onlyusually happens after 
all other avenues have been closed or that person does something really 
nasty in out presence. I also feel that the Holy Spirit has lead us to make 
those type of proclamations. We are told to do so in the Bible Bill. Tell me 
haven'tI done more with DaveH and Blain on this site then rebuke-I 
will admit of having less patience with false prophets but that is biblical 
also.? It is the same there- We come here so that Iron can sharpen iron. I 
have decided a long time ago that due to the fact there aren't many willing 
t o go to the highway and byways and do the Lords work-as they don't want to 
see the fields are ready for harvest- that I was not going to stop/hinder 
anyone ( male ,female,black red, or yellow)from going to those fields 
(unless sin is present). Lest I find myself warring against God. Please 
consider my words.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:09 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism 
   Freemasonry
  
  "Judge not according to the appearance, 
  but judge righteous judgment"
   Jesus the Christ (John 
  7:24)
  
  Blaine are you saying that Dylan's 
  pointing the finger at others is righteous?
  
  On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 01:32:37 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  

Judge not that ye be not judged--
Blainerb


In a message dated 1/7/2006 3:23:17 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Hmmm! Dylan ought to be 
  much more concerned about being him on that 
  day.
  
  On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:25:35 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Well, your clock is gonna stopAt 
Saint Peter's gate.Ya gonna ask him what time it is,He's 
gonna say, "It's too late."Hey, hey!_I'd sure hate to be 
youOn that dreadful day._

You're gonna start to sweatAnd you 
ain't gonna stop.You're gonna have a nightmareAnd never wake 
up.Hey, hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day.

You're gonna cry for pillsAnd your 
head's gonna be in a knot,But the pills are gonna cost 
moreThan what you've got.Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be 
youOn that dreadful day.

You're gonna have to walk naked,Can't 
ride in no car.You're gonna let ev'rybody seeJust what you 
are.Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day.

Well, the good wine's a-flowin'For 
five cents a quart.You're gonna look in your moneybagsAnd 
find you're one cent short.Hey, hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be 
youOn that dreadful day.

You're gonna yell and scream,"Don't 
anybody care?"You're gonna hear out a voice say,"Shoulda 
listened

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-08 Thread ttxpress




'amen' that,  that 
greater revelationprovides aslooo ofinnocuous 
commentary

On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 01:08:09 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  AMEN to Dylan's insightful song--liked especially the part about sweatin' 
  . . . maybe like in the Garden of G? :)
  Blainerb
  
  
  In a message dated 1/7/2006 6:29:13 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Actually, the G man has given us one of Dylan's better quotes. 



-- 
  Original message -- From: Judy Taylor 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Hmmm! Dylan ought to be much 
  more concerned about being him on that day.
  
  On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:25:35 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Well, your clock is gonna stopAt Saint Peter's 
gate.Ya gonna ask him what time it is,He's gonna say, "It's too 
late."Hey, hey!_I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day._

You're gonna start to sweatAnd you ain't gonna 
stop.You're gonna have a nightmareAnd never wake up.Hey, 
hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day.

You're gonna cry for pillsAnd your head's gonna be in a 
knot,But the pills are gonna cost moreThan what you've 
got.Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day.

You're gonna have to walk naked,Can't ride in no 
car.You're gonna let ev'rybody seeJust what you are.Hey, 
hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful day.

Well, the good wine's a-flowin'For five cents a 
quart.You're gonna look in your moneybagsAnd find you're one 
cent short.Hey, hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that 
dreadful day.

You're gonna yell and scream,"Don't anybody 
care?"You're gonna hear out a voice say,"Shoulda listened 
when you heard the word down there."Hey, hey!I'd sure hate 
to be youOn that dreadful day.Bob Dylan :: 
Copyright © 
  1964

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry(update on remnant of Jacob)

2006-01-08 Thread Lance Muir




Blaine: I have an audio tape, surreptitiously obtained, of the 
thenprophet (1978)describing the 'revelation' (political decision) 
to permit non-whites into the priesthood.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: January 07, 2006 18:10
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism  
  Freemasonry(update on remnant of Jacob)
  
  
  Blainerb: What John 
  andbrother Moore have written belowis the crux of what God 
  meant when he told Joseph Smith that the Protestant ministers of the day 
  taught doctrines of men, which had a form of Godliness, but denied the Power 
  thereof. In other words, they denied the "greater revelation," or the 
  possibility of "greater revelation" than that contained in the 
  Bible. 
  This will turn to their ultimate 
  condemnation, in the great hereafter, because God has all power--and is the 
  same today, yesterday, and forever--including having the right and ability to 
  give forth "greater revelation." 
  If the ministers of Protestant 
  religiondo not repent of this prideful stubbornness, then I am thinking 
  one of the most immediate consequences will be for God to empower the 
  Remnant of Jacob to go through, and destroy the wonderful 
  civilizationthat hasbeen built upover the past two 
  hundred years called the US of A. Those Mexicans, most of whom are 
  descendants of the Aztecs, who by the way worshipped 
  Quetzalquatl,who was described as being aWhite God who wore a 
  white robe and a beard, just keep coming over the border, don't they? 
  Despite efforts to stay them, and the prophecy contained in 3 Nephi of the BoM 
  creeps closer and closer to being fulfilled every day. I hope when it 
  happens, the "Remnant"will by then have recognized the LDS Church as 
  something other than a "White Guy's" church. 
  There is already evidence this is 
  true. The Navajo language has two words for White men: Biligana, 
  which is a derisive term, meaning something like, "White Enemy," and another 
  term which simply means "White brother."The 
  latterisusually applied to members of the LDS Church. 
  
  I spent three years teaching Dine' 
  (Navajos) in Southern Utah, and I know that among them are many who have 
  adopted the Black man's symbol for Black Power--a raised, gloved hand--except 
  the fingers of the glove have been cut off, allowing the red man's fingers to 
  show through at the end of the glove, apparently symbolizing the Red Power 
  Movement that has grown from the Black Power 
  Movement.
  You Protestant cowboysmight do 
  well tostrap on your six-shooters, 'cause I believe the day will soon 
  come when the game we played as little kids--Cowboys and Indians--may become a 
  nightmarish reality .. .
  
  
  
  
  In a message dated 1/7/2006 12:55:32 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  





  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
      Sent: 1/6/2006 9:56:15 PM 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism 
   Freemasonry
  
  kidding, of course. Actually, I am going to use the 
  bat at the local batting cages. The closest thing to physical 
  excercise that I really want to get, in my old age. 
  
  jd
  cd: How old are you John? I am 44 now and kinda like this age. 
  Splitting firewood is enough exercise for me.
  
  -- 
Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 







  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
      Sent: 1/6/2006 3:44:03 AM 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
  Mormonism  Freemasonry
  
  G, let me know when you get my check for the bat. 
  That's right, Dean !! I'm buying a bat !!
  
  jd
  cd: What type of bat and what do you plan to do with this 
  bat-shouldI be concernedof answering my door? I Should 
  have kept the wolf/ dog.
  
  -- 
Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

..what 
if, perhaps. elemental to BTs commentary, there genuinely appears to 
bea qualitatively greater revelation thanyour 'greater 
revelation'? 


On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  e.g., 
  let's say BT (of TT)confidently commentscreatively 
  onnecessities (also, germane to Protestant thought, i 
  suspect)disclosed discreetly from certain 
  revelation per se and 
  a

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry




How does one point a finger over the 
internet? You'd need a pretty long finger wouldn't 
you?
It's a different playing field and Blaine gives 
as good as he gets.

On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:40:27 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  Hey Judy, I've got a question for you: When Street Preachers point their 
  fingers at Blaine and say 'Repent or you're going to hell!" is that 
  righteous?
  
From: Judy Taylor 

"Judge not according to the appearance, but 
judge righteous judgment"
 Jesus the Christ (John 
7:24)

Blaine are you saying that Dylan's pointing 
the finger at others is righteous?

On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 01:32:37 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  Judge not that ye be not judged--
  Blainerb
  
  
  In a message dated 1/7/2006 3:23:17 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
  
Hmmm! Dylan ought to be 
much more concerned about being him on that 
day.

On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:25:35 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Well, your clock is gonna stopAt 
  Saint Peter's gate.Ya gonna ask him what time it is,He's gonna 
  say, "It's too late."Hey, hey!_I'd sure hate to be youOn 
  that dreadful day._
  
  You're gonna start to sweatAnd you ain't 
  gonna stop.You're gonna have a nightmareAnd never wake 
  up.Hey, hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
  day.
  
  You're gonna cry for pillsAnd your 
  head's gonna be in a knot,But the pills are gonna cost 
  moreThan what you've got.Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be 
  youOn that dreadful day.
  
  You're gonna have to walk naked,Can't 
  ride in no car.You're gonna let ev'rybody seeJust what you 
  are.Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
  day.
  
  Well, the good wine's a-flowin'For five 
  cents a quart.You're gonna look in your moneybagsAnd find 
  you're one cent short.Hey, hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be 
  youOn that dreadful day.
  
  You're gonna yell and scream,"Don't 
  anybody care?"You're gonna hear out a voice say,"Shoulda 
  listened when you heard the word down there."Hey, hey!I'd 
  sure hate to be youOn that dreadful day.Bob Dylan :: Copyright © 1964
  
  On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
e.g., 
let's say BT (of TT)confidently commentscreatively 
onnecessities (also, germane to Protestant thought, i 
suspect)disclosed discreetly from certain 
revelation per se and 
all that you(two cult-apostles 
like DavidM)would have to say about it is that he 
(too)rejects 'greater revelation'?


On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:02:45 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  DAVEH: Certainly, none on TT.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  

what Protestants would say they need 
it?

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:07:00 
EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
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Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-08 Thread Taylor

How does one point a finger lyrically, Judy?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 1:20 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism  
  Freemasonry

  How does one point a finger over the 
  internet? You'd need a pretty long finger wouldn't 
  you?
  It's a different playing field and Blaine 
  gives as good as he gets.

  On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:40:27 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hey Judy, I've got a question for you: When Street Preachers point 
their fingers at Blaine and say 'Repent or you're going to hell!" is that 
righteous?

  From: Judy Taylor 

  "Judge not according to the appearance, 
  but judge righteous judgment"
   Jesus the Christ (John 
  7:24)

  Blaine are you saying that Dylan's 
  pointing the finger at others is righteous?

  On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 01:32:37 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Judge not that ye be not judged--
Blainerb

In a message dated 1/7/2006 3:23:17 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Hmmm! Dylan ought to be 
  much more concerned about being him on that 
  day.

  On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:25:35 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Well, your clock is gonna stopAt 
Saint Peter's gate.Ya gonna ask him what time it is,He's 
gonna say, "It's too late."Hey, hey!_I'd sure hate to be 
youOn that dreadful day._

You're gonna start to sweatAnd you 
ain't gonna stop.You're gonna have a nightmareAnd never wake 
up.Hey, hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day.

You're gonna cry for pillsAnd your 
head's gonna be in a knot,But the pills are gonna cost 
moreThan what you've got.Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be 
youOn that dreadful day.

You're gonna have to walk naked,Can't 
ride in no car.You're gonna let ev'rybody seeJust what you 
are.Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day.

Well, the good wine's a-flowin'For 
five cents a quart.You're gonna look in your moneybagsAnd 
find you're one cent short.Hey, hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be 
youOn that dreadful day.

You're gonna yell and scream,"Don't 
anybody care?"You're gonna hear out a voice say,"Shoulda 
listened when you heard the word down there."Hey, 
hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day.Bob Dylan :: Copyright © 
1964

On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  e.g., 
  let's say BT (of TT)confidently commentscreatively 
  onnecessities (also, germane to Protestant thought, i 
  suspect)disclosed discreetly from certain 
  revelation per se and 
  all that you(two 
  cult-apostles like DavidM)would have to say about 
  it is that he (too)rejects 'greater 
  revelation'?

  On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:02:45 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:

DAVEH: Certainly, none on TT.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  what Protestants would say they need 
  it?

  On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 
  21:07:00 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:

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Er, uh no, as a matter of fact, I was wondering why you were passing 
judgement on poor ol' Dylan? :) Maybe you are wrong about the 
poor fella. He might have his faults, but don't we all? 
Blaine

In a message dated 1/8/2006 3:11:57 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Judge not according to the appearance, but 
  judge righteous judgment"
   Jesus the Christ (John 
  7:24)
  
  Blaine are you saying that Dylan's pointing 
  the finger at others is righteous?
  
  On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 01:32:37 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  

Judge not that ye be not judged--
Blainerb


In a message dated 1/7/2006 3:23:17 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Hmmm! Dylan ought to be much 
  more concerned about being him on that day.

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry




Someone walking in the fear of God would be 
aware that he needs to clean up his own backyard
before lamenting the fate of 
others.Excluding ministry gifts of course- but I don't 
seetravelling 
minstrels listedamong 
them.

On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:55:20 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  Er, uh no, as a matter of fact, I was wondering why you were passing 
  judgement on poor ol' Dylan? :) Maybe you are wrong about the 
  poor fella. He might have his faults, but don't we all? 
  Blaine
  
  In a message dated 1/8/2006 3:11:57 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Judge not according to the appearance, but 
judge righteous judgment"
 Jesus the Christ (John 
7:24)

Blaine are you saying that Dylan's pointing 
the finger at others is righteous?

On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 01:32:37 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  Judge not that ye be not judged--
  Blainerb
  
  
  In a message dated 1/7/2006 3:23:17 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Hmmm! Dylan ought to be 
much more concerned about being him on that 
day.

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry(update on remnant of Jacob)






Blainerb: The Lord'swords never cease--he is 
the same yesterday, today and forever. Look in your Bible. The 
words of the Lord never ceased, except to fulfill the prophecy of Amos 
8:11
"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord 
God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst 
for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord."

This happened during the dark ages, when even the written word 
was in a dead language--Latin--and the only prophecies heard were those made by 
astrologers and the like--from uninspired lips. But as the scriptures were 
translated into native languages and were printed for the masses, the famine 
began to come to an end. 

But when more of the word of the Lord than whathad been 
theretofore printed came to light, the preachers of the day rejected 
it--"A Bible, A Bible, we have a Bible and we need 
no more Bible," they said, and they continue to say it 
today. They say it for gain. The Lord's 
work, which like his word never ceases, does not pay well if the clergy are 
laymen, which they are in the Lord's church, and which they were in the original 
church. They went out without purse or script--no money, no big 
salaries.You are a deceived people. You are 
deceived by your ministers, who preach for gain. 


In a message dated 1/8/2006 8:07:44 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  cd: Certainly not greater than what Christ has given- from the mouth of 
  another?
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/7/2006 6:10:42 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism 
 Freemasonry(update on remnant of Jacob)


Blainerb: What John 
andbrother Moore have written belowis the crux of what God 
meant when he told Joseph Smith that the Protestant ministers of the day 
taught doctrines of men, which had a form of Godliness, but denied the Power 
thereof. In other words, they denied the "greater revelation," or the 
possibility of "greater revelation" than that contained in the 
Bible. 
This will turn to their ultimate 
condemnation, in the great hereafter, because God has all power--and is the 
same today, yesterday, and forever--including having the right and ability 
to give forth "greater revelation."

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry





In a message dated 1/8/2006 8:30:42 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hey 
  Judy, I've got a question for you: When Street Preachers point their fingers 
  at Blaine and say 'Repent or you're going to hell!" is that 
righteous?

Blainerb: Answer, but from Blaine, not 
Judy: NO!! :) Street Preachers do more harm than 
good--that is the consensus of opinion, at least among the more righteous 
preachers of traditional Christianity. Even Rocky Anderson, Salt 
Lake City Mayor, a former ACLU Attorney, was turned off by the insolent behavior 
of the street preachers. He finally sided with the LDS Church on the Plaza 
issue, mainly because of the SPs.

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-08 Thread David Miller

Blaine, if money were not involved, don't you think the outcome would have 
been a bit different?  Follow the money, Blaine.  The love of money is the 
root of all evil.  The Mormons supplied the money.  The city leaders took 
it.  Think about it.

Peace be with you.
David Miller.

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism  Freemasonry


In a message dated 1/8/2006 8:30:42 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hey Judy, I've got a question for you: When Street Preachers point their 
fingers at Blaine and say 'Repent or you're going to hell! is that 
righteous?
Blainerb:  Answer, but from Blaine, not Judy:  NO!!  :)  Street Preachers 
do more harm than good--that is the consensus of opinion, at least among the 
more righteous preachers of  traditional Christianity.  Even Rocky Anderson, 
Salt Lake City Mayor, a former ACLU Attorney, was turned off by the insolent 
behavior of the street preachers.  He finally sided with the LDS Church on 
the Plaza issue, mainly because of the SPs.

--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know 
how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org

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Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry(update on remnant of Jacob)






Blainerb: The decision to allow Blacks the PH 
was made afterweeks and evenmonths of agonizing prayer and 
discussion, which prayer and discussion followed the great success Mormon 
missionaries were having in Africa. The decision was made solely on the 
basis of desire to include worthy Black malesfrom that continent in the 
on-going work of the Lord--mostly missionary work, but other aspects as 
well. The Mormon Priesthood has always been a lay priesthood, and it was 
necessary to get those Blacks busy taking care of their own, rather than having 
White men exercisingdominion over them.

In a message dated 1/8/2006 12:51:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Blaine: I have an audio tape, surreptitiously obtained, of the 
  thenprophet (1978)describing the 'revelation' (political decision) 
  to permit non-whites into the priesthood.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: January 07, 2006 18:10
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism 
 Freemasonry(update on remnant of Jacob)


Blainerb: What John 
andbrother Moore have written belowis the crux of what God 
meant when he told Joseph Smith that the Protestant ministers of the day 
taught doctrines of men, which had a form of Godliness, but denied the Power 
thereof. In other words, they denied the "greater revelation," or the 
possibility of "greater revelation" than that contained in the 
Bible. 
This will turn to their ultimate 
condemnation, in the great hereafter, because God has all power--and is the 
same today, yesterday, and forever--including having the right and ability 
to give forth "greater revelation." 
If the ministers of Protestant 
religiondo not repent of this prideful stubbornness, then I am 
thinking one of the most immediate consequences will be for God to 
empower the Remnant of Jacob to go through, and destroy the wonderful 
civilizationthat hasbeen built upover the past two 
hundred years called the US of A. Those Mexicans, most of whom are 
descendants of the Aztecs, who by the way worshipped 
Quetzalquatl,who was described as being aWhite God who wore a 
white robe and a beard, just keep coming over the border, don't they? 
Despite efforts to stay them, and the prophecy contained in 3 Nephi of the 
BoM creeps closer and closer to being fulfilled every day. I hope when 
it happens, the "Remnant"will by then have recognized the LDS Church 
as something other than a "White Guy's" church. 
There is already evidence this is 
true. The Navajo language has two words for White men: Biligana, 
which is a derisive term, meaning something like, "White Enemy," and another 
term which simply means "White brother."The 
latterisusually applied to members of the LDS 
Church. 
I spent three years teaching Dine' 
(Navajos) in Southern Utah, and I know that among them are many who have 
adopted the Black man's symbol for Black Power--a raised, gloved 
hand--except the fingers of the glove have been cut off, allowing the red 
man's fingers to show through at the end of the glove, apparently 
symbolizing the Red Power Movement that has grown from the Black Power 
Movement.
You Protestant cowboysmight do 
well tostrap on your six-shooters, 'cause I believe the day will soon 
come when the game we played as little kids--Cowboys and Indians--may become 
a nightmarish reality .. 
  .

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry(update on remnant of Jacob)





In a message dated 1/8/2006 12:51:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blaine: 
  I have an audio tape, surreptitiously obtained, of the thenprophet 
  (1978)describing the 'revelation' (political decision) to permit 
  non-whites into the priesthood.

I was present in a hospital waiting room when the announcement was made, 
and I remember it well. But thanks anyway. 
Blainer

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry





In a message dated 1/8/2006 2:06:16 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Someone walking in the fear of God would be 
  aware that he needs to clean up his own backyard
  before lamenting the fate of 
  others.Excluding ministry gifts of course- but I 
  don't seetravelling 
  minstrels listedamong 
  them.

Blainerb: "If any ofye lack 
wisdom, let him ask of God, who giveth to all men liberally . . . 
"

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-08 Thread ttxpress




myth ("God..giveth to all men liberally . . . " , 
but not 
necessarily wisdom, Bro;
when you're 
actuallyinterested in that, James says "ask")

On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:18:40 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  In a message dated 1/8/2006 2:06:16 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Someone walking in the fear of God would be 
aware that he needs to clean up his own backyard
before lamenting the fate of 
others.Excluding ministry gifts of course- but I 
don't seetravelling 
minstrels listedamong 
them.
  
  Blainerb: "If any ofye 
  lack wisdom, let him ask of God, who giveth to all men liberally . . . 
  "

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry






Blainerb: You may have a point there, David--the value of the 
propertybeing offered to the city by the LDS Church was no small amount 
(but it is conjectural only). Rocky gave his reasons, which appeared 
in print and on TV several times, and included were his personal experiences 
watching SPs on the Plaza--he also expressed fears that such would get worse, 
not better. His interest was mainly in bringing the divergent groups in 
the city together in a compromise situation, and the fact that the LDS Church 
sweetened thatsituation was only part of the deal. He maintained 
that the bottom line was the behavior of the SPs--he wasclearly afraid of 
that sort of thing creating more divisiveness, which, more than anything,would 
posea threat to his continuance as Mayor of the city--so, it had political 
overtones, I guess you might say, as well.Let's face it, SPs were 
not popular even among those opposed to thePlaza.  



In a message dated 1/8/2006 6:02:24 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blaine, 
  if money were not involved, don't you think the outcome would have been a 
  bit different? Follow the money, Blaine. The love of money is the 
  root of all evil. The Mormons supplied the money. The city 
  leaders took it. Think about it.Peace be with you.David 
  Miller.- Original Message - From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sunday, 
  January 08, 2006 7:48 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism  
  FreemasonryIn a message dated 1/8/2006 8:30:42 A.M. Mountain 
  Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Hey Judy, I've got a 
  question for you: When Street Preachers point their fingers at Blaine and 
  say 'Repent or you're going to hell!" is that 
  righteous?Blainerb: Answer, but from Blaine, not Judy: 
  NO!! :) Street Preachers do more harm than good--that is 
  the consensus of opinion, at least among the more righteous preachers 
  of traditional Christianity. Even Rocky Anderson, Salt Lake 
  City Mayor, a former ACLU Attorney, was turned off by the insolent 
  behavior of the street preachers. He finally sided with the LDS 
  Church on the Plaza issue, mainly because of the 
  SPs.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with 
  salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 
  4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-08 Thread ttxpress




..actually,James 
also tells us Who to "ask", exclusively, Bro

On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:27:43 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  myth ("God..giveth to all men liberally . . . " , 
  but 
  not necessarily wisdom, Bro;
  when you're 
  actuallyinterested in that, James says "ask")
  
  On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:18:40 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  

In a message dated 1/8/2006 2:06:16 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Someone walking in the fear of God would 
  be aware that he needs to clean up his own backyard
  before lamenting the fate of 
  others.Excluding ministry gifts of course- but 
  I don't seetravelling 
  minstrels listedamong 
  them.

Blainerb: "If any ofye 
lack wisdom, let him ask of God, who giveth to all men liberally . . . 
"

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-07 Thread Judy Taylor




Hmmm! Dylan ought to be much more 
concerned about being him on that day.

On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:25:35 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Well, your clock is gonna stopAt Saint 
  Peter's gate.Ya gonna ask him what time it is,He's gonna say, "It's 
  too late."Hey, hey!_I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
  day._
  
  You're gonna start to sweatAnd you ain't gonna 
  stop.You're gonna have a nightmareAnd never wake up.Hey, hey, 
  hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful day.
  
  You're gonna cry for pillsAnd your head's gonna 
  be in a knot,But the pills are gonna cost moreThan what you've 
  got.Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
  day.
  
  You're gonna have to walk naked,Can't ride in no 
  car.You're gonna let ev'rybody seeJust what you are.Hey, 
  hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful day.
  
  Well, the good wine's a-flowin'For five cents a 
  quart.You're gonna look in your moneybagsAnd find you're one cent 
  short.Hey, hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
  day.
  
  You're gonna yell and scream,"Don't anybody 
  care?"You're gonna hear out a voice say,"Shoulda listened when you 
  heard the word down there."Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn 
  that dreadful day.Bob Dylan :: Copyright © 
  1964
  
  On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
e.g., let's say 
BT (of TT)confidently commentscreatively onnecessities 
(also, germane to Protestant thought, i suspect)disclosed discreetly 
from certain revelation per se and 
all that you(two cult-apostles like 
DavidM)would have to say about it is that he (too)rejects 
'greater revelation'?


On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:02:45 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  DAVEH: Certainly, none on TT.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  
what Protestants would say 
they need it?

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 
21:07:00 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  ||
  ..Protestants 
  ..have rejected the greater revelation, 
  
  ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-07 Thread knpraise


Actually, the G man has given us one of Dylan's better quotes. 


-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Hmmm! Dylan ought to be much more concerned about being him on that day.

On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:25:35 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Well, your clock is gonna stopAt Saint Peter's gate.Ya gonna ask him what time it is,He's gonna say, "It's too late."Hey, hey!_I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful day._

You're gonna start to sweatAnd you ain't gonna stop.You're gonna have a nightmareAnd never wake up.Hey, hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful day.

You're gonna cry for pillsAnd your head's gonna be in a knot,But the pills are gonna cost moreThan what you've got.Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful day.

You're gonna have to walk naked,Can't ride in no car.You're gonna let ev'rybody seeJust what you are.Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful day.

Well, the good wine's a-flowin'For five cents a quart.You're gonna look in your moneybagsAnd find you're one cent short.Hey, hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful day.

You're gonna yell and scream,"Don't anybody care?"You're gonna hear out a voice say,"Shoulda listened when you heard the word down there."Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful day.Bob Dylan :: Copyright © 1964

On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

e.g., let's say BT (of TT)confidently commentscreatively onnecessities (also, germane to Protestant thought, i suspect)disclosed discreetly from certain revelation per se and all that you(two cult-apostles like DavidM)would have to say about it is that he (too)rejects 'greater revelation'?


On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:02:45 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

DAVEH: Certainly, none on TT.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


what Protestants would say they need it?

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:07:00 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


||
..Protestants ..have rejected the greater revelation, 
||

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-07 Thread Dean Moore









- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/6/2006 9:56:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism  Freemasonry

kidding, of course. Actually, I am going to use the bat at the local batting cages. The closest thing to physical excercise that I really want to get, in my old age. 

jd
cd: How old are you John? I am 44 now and kinda like this age. Splitting firewood is enough exercise for me.

-- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 







- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/6/2006 3:44:03 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism  Freemasonry

G, let me know when you get my check for the bat. That's right, Dean !! I'm buying a bat !!

jd
cd: What type of bat and what do you plan to do with this bat-shouldI be concernedof answering my door? I Should have kept the wolf/ dog.

-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

..what if, perhaps. elemental to BTs commentary, there genuinely appears to bea qualitatively greater revelation thanyour 'greater revelation'? 


On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

e.g., let's say BT (of TT)confidently commentscreatively onnecessities (also, germane to Protestant thought, i suspect)disclosed discreetly from certain revelation per se and all that you(two cult-apostles like DavidM)would have to say about it is that he (too)rejects 'greater revelation'?


On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:02:45 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

DAVEH: Certainly, none on TT.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


what Protestants would say they need it?

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:07:00 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


||
..Protestants ..have rejected the greater revelation, 
||

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry(update on remnant of Jacob)

2006-01-07 Thread Blainerb473





Blainerb: What John 
andbrother Moore have written belowis the crux of what God 
meant when he told Joseph Smith that the Protestant ministers of the day taught 
doctrines of men, which had a form of Godliness, but denied the Power 
thereof. In other words, they denied the "greater revelation," or the 
possibility of "greater revelation" than that contained in the 
Bible. 
This will turn to their ultimate 
condemnation, in the great hereafter, because God has all power--and is the same 
today, yesterday, and forever--including having the right and ability to give 
forth "greater revelation." 
If the ministers of Protestant 
religiondo not repent of this prideful stubbornness, then I am thinking 
one of the most immediate consequences will be for God to empower the 
Remnant of Jacob to go through, and destroy the wonderful civilizationthat 
hasbeen built upover the past two hundred years called the US 
of A. Those Mexicans, most of whom are descendants of the Aztecs, 
who by the way worshipped Quetzalquatl,who was described as being 
aWhite God who wore a white robe and a beard, just keep coming over 
the border, don't they? Despite efforts to stay them, and the prophecy contained 
in 3 Nephi of the BoM creeps closer and closer to being fulfilled every 
day. I hope when it happens, the "Remnant"will by then have 
recognized the LDS Church as something other than a "White Guy's" church. 

There is already evidence this is 
true. The Navajo language has two words for White men: Biligana, 
which is a derisive term, meaning something like, "White Enemy," and another 
term which simply means "White brother."The 
latterisusually applied to members of the LDS Church. 

I spent three years teaching Dine' 
(Navajos) in Southern Utah, and I know that among them are many who have adopted 
the Black man's symbol for Black Power--a raised, gloved hand--except the 
fingers of the glove have been cut off, allowing the red man's fingers to show 
through at the end of the glove, apparently symbolizing the Red Power Movement 
that has grown from the Black Power Movement.
You Protestant cowboysmight do 
well tostrap on your six-shooters, 'cause I believe the day will soon come 
when the game we played as little kids--Cowboys and Indians--may become a 
nightmarish reality .. .




In a message dated 1/7/2006 12:55:32 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/6/2006 9:56:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism 
 Freemasonry

kidding, of course. Actually, I am going to use the 
bat at the local batting cages. The closest thing to physical 
excercise that I really want to get, in my old age. 

jd
cd: How old are you John? I am 44 now and kinda like this age. 
Splitting firewood is enough exercise for me.

-- 
  Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/6/2006 3:44:03 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism 
 Freemasonry

G, let me know when you get my check for the bat. 
That's right, Dean !! I'm buying a bat !!

jd
cd: What type of bat and what do you plan to do with this 
bat-shouldI be concernedof answering my door? I Should have 
kept the wolf/ dog.

-- 
  Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  ..what 
  if, perhaps. elemental to BTs commentary, there genuinely appears to 
  bea qualitatively greater revelation thanyour 'greater 
  revelation'? 
  
  
  On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
e.g., 
let's say BT (of TT)confidently commentscreatively 
onnecessities (also, germane to Protestant thought, i 
suspect)disclosed discreetly from certain 
revelation per se and 
all that you(two cult-apostles 
like DavidM)would have to say about it is that he 
(too)rejects 'greater revelation'?


On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:02:45 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  DAVEH: Certainly, none on TT.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  

what Protestants would say they need 
it?

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:07:00 
EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  ||
  ..Protestants ..have rejected the greater revelation, 
  
  ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-07 Thread knpraise


60 years old. I think I am five or six years younger than Judy -- that would make her the matriarch of the forum.

jd

-- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 







- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/6/2006 9:56:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism  Freemasonry

kidding, of course. Actually, I am going to use the bat at the local batting cages. The closest thing to physical excercise that I really want to get, in my old age. 

jd
cd: How old are you John? I am 44 now and kinda like this age. Splitting firewood is enough exercise for me.

-- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 







- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/6/2006 3:44:03 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism  Freemasonry

G, let me know when you get my check for the bat. That's right, Dean !! I'm buying a bat !!

jd
cd: What type of bat and what do you plan to do with this bat-shouldI be concernedof answering my door? I Should have kept the wolf/ dog.

-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

..what if, perhaps. elemental to BTs commentary, there genuinely appears to bea qualitatively greater revelation thanyour 'greater revelation'? 


On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

e.g., let's say BT (of TT)confidently commentscreatively onnecessities (also, germane to Protestant thought, i suspect)disclosed discreetly from certain revelation per se and all that you(two cult-apostles like DavidM)would have to say about it is that he (too)rejects 'greater revelation'?


On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:02:45 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

DAVEH: Certainly, none on TT.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


what Protestants would say they need it?

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:07:00 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


||
..Protestants ..have rejected the greater revelation, 
||

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-07 Thread Blainerb473





AMEN to Dylan's insightful song--liked especially the part about sweatin' . 
. . maybe like in the Garden of G? :)
Blainerb


In a message dated 1/7/2006 6:29:13 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Actually, the G man has given us one of Dylan's better quotes. 
  
  
  
  -- 
Original message -- From: Judy Taylor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Hmmm! Dylan ought to be much 
more concerned about being him on that day.

On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:25:35 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Well, your clock is gonna stopAt Saint 
  Peter's gate.Ya gonna ask him what time it is,He's gonna say, 
  "It's too late."Hey, hey!_I'd sure hate to be youOn that 
  dreadful day._
  
  You're gonna start to sweatAnd you ain't 
  gonna stop.You're gonna have a nightmareAnd never wake up.Hey, 
  hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
  day.
  
  You're gonna cry for pillsAnd your head's 
  gonna be in a knot,But the pills are gonna cost moreThan what 
  you've got.Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
  day.
  
  You're gonna have to walk naked,Can't ride 
  in no car.You're gonna let ev'rybody seeJust what you are.Hey, 
  hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
  day.
  
  Well, the good wine's a-flowin'For five 
  cents a quart.You're gonna look in your moneybagsAnd find you're 
  one cent short.Hey, hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that 
  dreadful day.
  
  You're gonna yell and scream,"Don't anybody 
  care?"You're gonna hear out a voice say,"Shoulda listened when 
  you heard the word down there."Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be 
  youOn that dreadful day.Bob Dylan :: 
  Copyright © 
1964

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-07 Thread Blainerb473





Judge not that ye be not judged--
Blainerb


In a message dated 1/7/2006 3:23:17 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Hmmm! Dylan ought to be much more 
  concerned about being him on that day.
  
  On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:25:35 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Well, your clock is gonna stopAt Saint 
Peter's gate.Ya gonna ask him what time it is,He's gonna say, "It's 
too late."Hey, hey!_I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day._

You're gonna start to sweatAnd you ain't gonna 
stop.You're gonna have a nightmareAnd never wake up.Hey, hey, 

hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day.

You're gonna cry for pillsAnd your head's 
gonna be in a knot,But the pills are gonna cost moreThan what you've 
got.Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day.

You're gonna have to walk naked,Can't ride in 
no car.You're gonna let ev'rybody seeJust what you are.Hey, 
hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day.

Well, the good wine's a-flowin'For five cents 
a quart.You're gonna look in your moneybagsAnd find you're one cent 
short.Hey, hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day.

You're gonna yell and scream,"Don't anybody 
care?"You're gonna hear out a voice say,"Shoulda listened when 
you heard the word down there."Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be 
youOn that dreadful day.Bob Dylan :: 
Copyright © 1964

On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  e.g., let's 
  say BT (of TT)confidently commentscreatively 
  onnecessities (also, germane to Protestant thought, i 
  suspect)disclosed discreetly from certain 
  revelation per se and all that you(two 
  cult-apostles like DavidM)would have to say about it is 
  that he (too)rejects 'greater revelation'?
  
  
  On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:02:45 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
DAVEH: Certainly, none on TT.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  
  what Protestants would say they need 
  it?
  
  On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:07:00 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  

||
..Protestants ..have rejected the greater revelation, 

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Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-06 Thread knpraise


G, let me know when you get my check for the bat. That's right, Dean !! I'm buying a bat !!

jd

-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

..what if, perhaps. elemental to BTs commentary, there genuinely appears to bea qualitatively greater revelation thanyour 'greater revelation'? 


On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

e.g., let's say BT (of TT)confidently commentscreatively onnecessities (also, germane to Protestant thought, i suspect)disclosed discreetly from certain revelation per se and all that you(two cult-apostles like DavidM)would have to say about it is that he (too)rejects 'greater revelation'?


On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:02:45 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

DAVEH: Certainly, none on TT.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


what Protestants would say they need it?

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:07:00 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


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..Protestants ..have rejected the greater revelation, 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-06 Thread Dean Moore









- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/6/2006 3:44:03 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism  Freemasonry

G, let me know when you get my check for the bat. That's right, Dean !! I'm buying a bat !!

jd
cd: What type of bat and what do you plan to do with this bat-shouldI be concernedof answering my door? I Should have kept the wolf/ dog.

-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

..what if, perhaps. elemental to BTs commentary, there genuinely appears to bea qualitatively greater revelation thanyour 'greater revelation'? 


On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

e.g., let's say BT (of TT)confidently commentscreatively onnecessities (also, germane to Protestant thought, i suspect)disclosed discreetly from certain revelation per se and all that you(two cult-apostles like DavidM)would have to say about it is that he (too)rejects 'greater revelation'?


On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:02:45 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

DAVEH: Certainly, none on TT.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


what Protestants would say they need it?

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:07:00 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


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..Protestants ..have rejected the greater revelation, 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-06 Thread knpraise


kidding, of course. Actually, I am going to use the bat at the local batting cages. The closest thing to physical excercise that I really want to get, in my old age. 

jd

-- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 







- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/6/2006 3:44:03 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism  Freemasonry

G, let me know when you get my check for the bat. That's right, Dean !! I'm buying a bat !!

jd
cd: What type of bat and what do you plan to do with this bat-shouldI be concernedof answering my door? I Should have kept the wolf/ dog.

-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

..what if, perhaps. elemental to BTs commentary, there genuinely appears to bea qualitatively greater revelation thanyour 'greater revelation'? 


On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

e.g., let's say BT (of TT)confidently commentscreatively onnecessities (also, germane to Protestant thought, i suspect)disclosed discreetly from certain revelation per se and all that you(two cult-apostles like DavidM)would have to say about it is that he (too)rejects 'greater revelation'?


On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:02:45 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

DAVEH: Certainly, none on TT.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


what Protestants would say they need it?

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:07:00 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


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..Protestants ..have rejected the greater revelation, 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-06 Thread ttxpress




Well, your clock is gonna stopAt Saint 
Peter's gate.Ya gonna ask him what time it is,He's gonna say, "It's too 
late."Hey, hey!_I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day._

You're gonna start to sweatAnd you ain't gonna 
stop.You're gonna have a nightmareAnd never wake up.Hey, hey, 
hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful day.

You're gonna cry for pillsAnd your head's gonna be 
in a knot,But the pills are gonna cost moreThan what you've got.Hey, 
hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful day.

You're gonna have to walk naked,Can't ride in no 
car.You're gonna let ev'rybody seeJust what you are.Hey, hey!I'd 
sure hate to be youOn that dreadful day.

Well, the good wine's a-flowin'For five cents a 
quart.You're gonna look in your moneybagsAnd find you're one cent 
short.Hey, hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day.

You're gonna yell and scream,"Don't anybody 
care?"You're gonna hear out a voice say,"Shoulda listened when you 
heard the word down there."Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn 
that dreadful day.Bob Dylan :: Copyright © 
1964

On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  e.g., let's say 
  BT (of TT)confidently commentscreatively onnecessities 
  (also, germane to Protestant thought, i suspect)disclosed discreetly 
  from certain revelation per se and 
  all that you(two cult-apostles like DavidM)would 
  have to say about it is that he (too)rejects 'greater 
  revelation'?
  
  
  On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:02:45 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
DAVEH: Certainly, none on TT.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  
  what Protestants would say they 
  need it?
  
  On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 
  21:07:00 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  

||
..Protestants 
..have rejected the greater revelation, 

||

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-05 Thread ttxpress




e.g., let's say BT 
(of TT)confidently commentscreatively onnecessities (also, 
germane to Protestant thought, i suspect)disclosed discreetly from certain 
revelation per se and all that you(two 
cult-apostles like DavidM)would have to say about it is that he 
(too)rejects 'greater revelation'?


On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:02:45 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  DAVEH: Certainly, none on TT.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  

what Protestants would say they 
need it?

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 
21:07:00 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  ||
  ..Protestants ..have rejected the greater revelation, 
  
  ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-05 Thread ttxpress




..what if, perhaps. 
elemental to BTs commentary, there genuinely appears to bea qualitatively 
greater revelation thanyour 'greater revelation'? 



On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  e.g., let's say 
  BT (of TT)confidently commentscreatively onnecessities 
  (also, germane to Protestant thought, i suspect)disclosed discreetly 
  from certain revelation per se and 
  all that you(two cult-apostles like DavidM)would 
  have to say about it is that he (too)rejects 'greater 
  revelation'?
  
  
  On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:02:45 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
DAVEH: Certainly, none on TT.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  
  what Protestants would say they 
  need it?
  
  On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 
  21:07:00 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  

||
..Protestants 
..have rejected the greater revelation, 

||

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-04 Thread Blainerb473

In a message dated 1/3/2006 9:51:55 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blaine, do you consider protestants to be pagans?

Blainerb: No, I consider Protestants to be the Gentiles spoken of in
the BoM who had the Bible, which was God's word, and upon whom the Spirit of God
rested because they were righteous and sought to serve Jesus Christ as their
Lord. They were given great power over the unrighteousseed of Jacob
living in the Americasto the extent of scattering them,
anddecimating their populations. I consider the Protestant movement
to have been of God, as it furnished a prelude to the restoration of the full
gospel through the Prophet Joseph Smith and others. Unfortunately, most present-day Protestants have rejected
the greater revelation, and are presently under
condemnation. The time will come when those
Gentileswho reject thislatter-day message will be judged of God,
however, and the power of the remnant of Jacob will be unleashed upon
them.

The BoM predicts
that,
"My people who are a remnant of
Jacob (Lamanites, mostly) shall be among the Gentiles, yea, in the midst of
them, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who, if he go through
both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.
Their hand shall be lifted up upon their adversaries, and all their
enemies shall be cut off. Yea, wo be unto the Gentiles, except they
repent. . . . And I will execute judgement and fury upon them,
even as upon the Heathen, such as they have not
heard."
3 Nephi 21: 12-22

In a message dated 1/3/2006 9:51:55 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blaine, do you consider protestants to be
pagans?From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism
FreemasonryDate: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:06:52
ESTNo doubt about it, those ancient groups were doing
bad stuff, fertilitycultism included. But what I am saying is
documenting something from ancienttimes is always hard,
and I seriously doubt tracing Freemasonry back to
thosetimes could be done with so much confidence in the
findings as to be able tosay confidently that such and
such is true, or such and such is not true.
Infact, that would be true of almost anything.
Even Mormonism, which is barelytwo hundred years old,
despite an abundance of records on the subject, stillhas
much that cannot be said for certain about it. What it boils down
to intoo many cases is that basically, we express our
opinions, pro and con, andthat's about the best we can
do.But I can say with a high degree of confidence, that although there
are somesimilarities between free Masonry and the temple
Endowment ceremony, thereare far too many fundamental differences
to conclude that one came from theother. I
have, believe it or not, studied Free Masonry, and I am
intimatelyfamiliar with the ceremony in the
temple. There are just too many
otherpossibilities.In a message dated 12/31/2005
4:00:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:No it is way before that; the ancient fertility
cults were practised inCanaan before God destroyed the
Amorites.On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:01:12 EST
[EMAIL PROTECTED](mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
writes:Blainerb: Freemasonry is obviously
descended from the time when the Jewsreturned from the
Babylonian captivity to Jerusalem to rebuild their temple
andthe walls of the city. It is one thing to say
such as you have statedbelow, but quite another to show beyond
reasonable doubt that your assertions arecorrect. If you
wouldn't mind, I would like to double-check your
sources.In a message dated 12/27/2005 8:04:59 A.M.
Mountain Standard Time,[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I
have read the same Blaine and the Freemasonry rituals are based on the
oldFertility Cult mystery religions which isthe
same kind of paganism that got the Canaanite Nations exiled from
thePromised Land and destroyed. There is asexual aspect
to both. jtOn Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:06:14 EST
[EMAIL PROTECTED](mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
writes:I am not aware of one, except to say, as
JS did, that he joined theFreemasons to obtain whatever
friendship and support they might offer in times
ofduress--as you are probably aware, he was arrested on false
charges manytimes--0ver 40 times, as I recall--and abused both
physically and verbally a lotof times by antis of his
day.But I am sure if there is any official commentary from
Church authorities,Kevin would know where it would be
found. Especially if it could be usedagainst the
Church. :)BlainerbIn a message dated
12/26/2005 10:08:36 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:Does the Mormon Church have an expressed opinion
regarding freemasonary?

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry




what Protestants would say 
they need it?

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:07:00 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  ||
  ..Protestants ..have rejected the greater 
  revelation, 
  ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry




..partic while 
becomgknown for rejecting papal 'greater revelation'

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:15:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  what Protestants would 
  say they need it?
  
  On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:07:00 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  

||
..Protestants ..have rejected the greater 
revelation, 
||

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry




..whose 'revelation' is 
'greater'--Pope 
Juliusor JSs?

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:23:15 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..partic while 
  becomgknown for rejecting papal 'greater 
  revelation'
  
  On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:15:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
what Protestants would 
say they need it?

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:07:00 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  ||
  ..Protestants ..have rejected the greater 
  revelation, 
  ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry




..how about Leoor JP2's--can you 
see Protestants rejectgtheir authority inc the authority oftheir 
'greater revelation'but acceptg someone else's relatively innocuous 
commentary?

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:34:04 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..whose 'revelation' is 
  'greater'--Pope 
  Juliusor JSs?
  
  On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:23:15 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
..partic while 
becomgknown for rejecting papal 'greater 
revelation'

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:15:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  what Protestants 
  would say they need it?
  
  On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:07:00 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  

||
..Protestants ..have rejected the 
greater revelation, 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry




..among corrupt 
authority/s rejected by Protestants one mayinclude Hitler's, too--Nazis 
were not Protestants even thoughmany Protestantsbecame Nazi/s--a 
brute fact whichrelates directly to (true, bothcontemporary  
historic,) Protestants consistently rejecting 'greater 
revelation'

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:45:49 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..how about Leoor JP2's--can you 
  see Protestants rejectgtheir authority inc the authority oftheir 
  'greater revelation'but acceptg someone else's relatively innocuous 
  commentary?
  
  On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:34:04 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
..whose 'revelation' 
is 'greater'--Pope 
Juliusor JSs?

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:23:15 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..partic while 
  becomgknown for rejecting papal 'greater 
  revelation'
  
  On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:15:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
what Protestants 
would say they need it?

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:07:00 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  ||
  ..Protestants ..have rejected the 
  greater revelation, 
  ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-04 Thread Dave Hansen





DAVEH: Certainly, none on TT.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  what Protestants would
say they need it?
  
  On Wed, 4
Jan 2006 21:07:00 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
  
 
 
||
 
..Protestants
..have rejected the greater revelation, 
 
||

  


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Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-03 Thread Blainerb473





Blainerb: "Supposed to have?" Judging from the 
"plethora" of records about the Tower of Babel, and what went on then, can you 
even say "supposed" with any degree of assurance? :) I mean, 
let's face it, what we have on the Tower of Babel, is vry scant, 
indeed. The BoM gives a fairly detailed record of one group leaving the 
Tower . . . called the Book of Ether. But I have 
not read anything else that I would place much confidence in--perhaps you are 
aware of some very ancient documents


In a message dated 12/31/2005 5:17:31 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually, it is supposed to have started with the tower of Babel, and 
  the master builders who were to construct it.TerryJudy 
  Taylor wrote: 
  

No it is way 
before that; the ancient fertility cults were practised in Canaan before God 
destroyed the Amorites.

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:01:12 EST 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  Blainerb: 
  Freemasonry is obviously descended from the time when the Jews returned 
  from the Babylonian captivity to Jerusalem to rebuild their temple and the 
  walls of the city. It is one thing to say such as you have 
  stated below, but quite another to show beyond reasonable doubt that your 
  assertions are correct. If you wouldn't mind, I would like to 
  double-check your sources. 
  
  
  In a message dated 12/27/2005 
  8:04:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
I have read the same Blaine and the 
Freemasonry rituals are based on the old Fertility Cult mystery 
religions which is 
the same kind of paganism that got the Canaanite Nations exiled from 
the Promised Land and destroyed. There is a
sexual aspect to both. 
jt

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:06:14 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  I am not aware of one, except to say, as JS did, that he 
  joined the Freemasons to obtain whatever friendship and support they 
  might offer in times of duress--as you are probably aware, he was 
  arrested on false charges many times--0ver 40 times, as I recall--and 
  abused both physically and verballya 
  lot of times by antis of his day. 
  But I am sure if there is any official commentary from Church 
  authorities, Kevin would know where it would be found. 
  Especially if it could be used against the 
  Church. :)
  Blainerb
  
  In a message dated 12/26/2005 10:08:36 P.M. Mountain Standard 
  Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
Does the Mormon Church have an expressed opinion regarding 
freemasonary? 

  
   
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-03 Thread Blainerb473

No doubt about it, those ancient groups were doing bad stuff, fertility
cultism included. But what I am saying is documenting something from
ancient times is always hard, and I seriously doubt tracing Freemasonry back to
those times could be done with so much confidence in the findingsas to be
able to say confidently that such and such is true, or such and such is not
true. In fact, that would be true of almost anything. Even
Mormonism, which is barely two hundred years old, despite an abundance of
records on the subject, still has much that cannot be said for certain about
it. What it boils down to in too many cases is that basically, we express
our opinions, pro and con, and that's about the best we can do.
But I can say with a high degree of confidence, that although there are some similarities between free Masonry
and the temple Endowment ceremony, there are far too many fundamental differences to
concludethat one came from the other. I have,
believe it or not, studiedFree Masonry, and I am intimately familiar with
the ceremony in the temple. There are just too many other
possibilities.

In a message dated 12/31/2005 4:00:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

No it is way before that; the ancient fertility cults
were practised in Canaan before God destroyed the Amorites.

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:01:12 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Blainerb: Freemasonry is obviously descended from
the time when the Jews returned from the Babylonian captivity to Jerusalem
to rebuild their temple and the walls of the city. It is one thing
to say such as you have stated below, but quite another to show beyond
reasonable doubt that your assertions are correct. If you wouldn't
mind, I would like to double-check your sources.

In a message dated 12/27/2005 8:04:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I have read the same Blaine and the
Freemasonry rituals are based on the old Fertility Cult mystery religions
which is
the same kind of paganism that got the Canaanite Nations exiled from
the Promised Land and destroyed. There is a
sexual aspect to both.
jt

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:06:14 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I am not aware of one, except to say, as JS did, that he
joined the Freemasons to obtain whatever friendship and support they
might offer in times of duress--as you are probably aware, he was
arrested on false charges many times--0ver 40 times, as I recall--and
abused both physically and verballya
lot of times by antis of his day.
But I am sure if there is any official commentary from Church
authorities, Kevin would know where it would be found.
Especially if it could be used against the
Church. :)
Blainerb

In a message dated 12/26/2005 10:08:36 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Does the Mormon Church have an expressed opinion regarding
freemasonary?

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-03 Thread Charles Perry Locke

Blaine, do you consider protestants to be pagans?

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism  Freemasonry
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:06:52 EST

No doubt about it, those ancient groups were doing bad stuff, fertility
cultism included.  But what I am saying is documenting something from  
ancient
times is always hard, and I seriously doubt tracing Freemasonry back to  
those
times could be done with so much confidence in the findings as to be  able 
to
say confidently that such and such is true, or such and such is not  true.  
In
fact, that would be true of almost anything.  Even  Mormonism, which is 
barely
two hundred years old, despite an abundance of  records on the subject, 
still
has much that cannot be said for certain about  it.  What it boils down to 
in
too many cases is that basically, we express  our opinions, pro and con, 
and

that's about the best we can do.
But I can say with a high degree of confidence, that although there are 
some

similarities between free Masonry  and the temple Endowment ceremony, there
are far too many fundamental differences to  conclude that one came from 
the
other.  I have,  believe it or not, studied Free Masonry, and I am 
intimately

familiar with  the ceremony in the temple.  There are just too many other
possibilities.

In a message dated 12/31/2005 4:00:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

No it is way before that; the ancient fertility cults  were practised in
Canaan before God destroyed the Amorites.

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:01:12 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])  writes:

Blainerb:  Freemasonry is obviously descended from  the time when the Jews
returned from the Babylonian captivity to Jerusalem  to rebuild their 
temple and

the walls of the city.  It is one thing  to  say such as you have stated
below, but quite another to show beyond  reasonable doubt that your 
assertions are

correct.  If you wouldn't  mind, I would like to double-check your sources.

In a message dated 12/27/2005 8:04:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I have read the same Blaine and the  Freemasonry rituals are based on the 
old

Fertility Cult mystery religions  which is
the same kind of paganism that got the Canaanite Nations exiled from  the
Promised Land and destroyed.  There is a
sexual aspect to both.   jt

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:06:14 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])  writes:

I am  not aware of one, except to say, as JS did, that he  joined the
Freemasons to obtain whatever friendship and support they  might offer in 
times of

duress--as you are probably aware, he was  arrested on false charges many
times--0ver 40 times, as I recall--and  abused both physically and verbally 
a  lot

of times by antis of his day.
But I am sure if there is any official commentary from Church  authorities,
Kevin would know where it would be found.   Especially if it could be used
against the  Church.  :)
Blainerb

In a message dated 12/26/2005 10:08:36 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Does the Mormon Church have an expressed opinion regarding  freemasonary?

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Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2005-12-31 Thread Judy Taylor




Probably; Constantine supposedly christianized pagan 
festivals for these two celebrations and now they have
become westernized traditions.

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:02:09 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  rituals are based on the old Fertility Cult mystery religions which 
  is 
  the same kind of paganism that 
  got the Canaanite Nations exiled from the Promised Land and 
  destroyed.DAVEH: Could not the same 
  argument be made about Christmas and Easter, Judy?http://www.ccg.org/english/s/p235.htmlhttp://www.outsidethecamp.org/dyk14.htmhttp://www.benbest.com/history/xmas.htmlIt 
  seems to me that if you want to criticize Mormonism in such a manner, you 
  should probably want to review modern Christianity in the same 
  light.Judy Taylor wrote: 
  

I have read the same Blaine and the Freemasonry rituals are based 
on the old Fertility Cult mystery religions which is 

the same kind of paganism 
that got the Canaanite Nations exiled from the Promised Land and 
destroyed. There is a
sexual aspect to both. jt
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Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2005-12-31 Thread Judy Taylor

No it is way before that; the ancient fertility cults
were practised in Canaan before God destroyed the Amorites.

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:01:12 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Blainerb: Freemasonry is obviously descended from the
time when the Jews returned from the Babylonian captivity to Jerusalem to
rebuild their temple and the walls of the city. It is one thing to
say such as you have stated below, but quite another to show beyond reasonable
doubt that your assertions are correct. If you wouldn't mind, I would
like to double-check your sources.

In a message dated 12/27/2005 8:04:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I have read the same Blaine and the
Freemasonry rituals are based on the old Fertility Cult mystery religions
which is
the same kind of paganism that got the Canaanite Nations exiled from the Promised Land
and destroyed. There is a
sexual aspect to both. jt

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:06:14 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I am not aware of one, except to say, as JS did, that he joined
the Freemasons to obtain whatever friendship and support they might offer
in times of duress--as you are probably aware, he was arrested on false
charges many times--0ver 40 times, as I recall--and abused both physically
and verballya lot of times by
antis of his day.
But I am sure if there is any official commentary from Church
authorities, Kevin would know where it would be found. Especially if it could be used against the Church.
:)
Blainerb

In a message dated 12/26/2005 10:08:36 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Does the Mormon Church have an expressed opinion regarding
freemasonary?

judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2005-12-31 Thread Terry Clifton

Actually, it is supposed to have started with the tower of Babel, and
the master builders who were to construct it.
Terry

Judy Taylor wrote:

No it is way before that; the ancient fertility cults
were practised in Canaan before God destroyed the Amorites.

On
Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:01:12 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

Blainerb:
Freemasonry is obviously descended from the time when the Jews returned
from the Babylonian captivity to Jerusalem to rebuild their temple and
the walls of the city. It is one thing to say such as you have stated
below, but quite another to show beyond reasonable doubt that your
assertions are correct. If you wouldn't mind, I would like to
double-check your sources.

In
a message dated 12/27/2005 8:04:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I have read the same Blaine
and the Freemasonry rituals are based on the old Fertility Cult mystery
religions which is
the same kind of paganism that got the Canaanite Nations
exiled from the Promised Land and destroyed. There is a
sexual aspect to both. jt

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:06:14 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

I am not aware of one, except to say, as JS did, that he
joined the Freemasons to obtain whatever friendship and support they
might offer in times of duress--as you are probably aware, he was
arrested on false charges many times--0ver 40 times, as I recall--and
abused both physically and verballya lot
of times by antis of his day.
But I am sure if there is any official commentary from
Church authorities, Kevin would know where it would be found. Especially if it could be used against the Church. :)
Blainerb

In a message dated 12/26/2005 10:08:36 P.M. Mountain
Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Does the Mormon Church have an expressed opinion
regarding freemasonary?

judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2005-12-31 Thread Dave





DAVEH: Thank you for your honest response, Judy.

Judy Taylor wrote:

  
  
  
  Probably; Constantine supposedly
christianized pagan festivals for these two celebrations and now they
have
  become westernized traditions.
  
  On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:02:09 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
rituals are based on the old Fertility
Cult mystery religions which is 
the same kind of paganism that got the Canaanite Nations
exiled from the Promised Land and destroyed.

DAVEH: Could not the same argument be made about Christmas and
Easter, Judy?

http://www.ccg.org/english/s/p235.html

http://www.outsidethecamp.org/dyk14.htm

http://www.benbest.com/history/xmas.html

It seems to me that if you want to criticize Mormonism in such
a manner, you should probably want to review modern Christianity in the
same light.



Judy Taylor wrote:

  
  I have read the same Blaine and the
Freemasonry rituals are based on the old Fertility Cult mystery
religions which is 
  the same kind of paganism that got the Canaanite Nations
exiled from the Promised Land and destroyed. There is a
  sexual aspect to both. jt

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2005-12-28 Thread Lance Muir

On covering one blanket with another, Blaine?? You were asked. I ask again. 
WHAT IS THE MORMON CHURCH'S POSITION ON FREEMASONRY?

  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: December 26, 2005 23:01
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism  
  Freemasonry

  In a message dated 12/26/2005 5:14:52 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

..are one and the same 'spirit'. The 'degrees' 
in Mormonism correspond to the 'degrees' in freemasonry. DANGEROUS 
STUFF!

  There is no provable relationship. If there was, you would do more 
  than make a blanket statement. 
  Blainerb

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry





In a message dated 12/26/2005 11:52:23 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Add to 
  this the fact that JS was himself a mason of at least the 32nd 
  degree,

Blainerb: I assure you there are not anywhere near 32 degrees 
in Mormon temple ceremonies. There are NO degrees in the 
ceremonies. :)
There are three degrees of glory in the resurrection, in LDS 
theology, could this be whatLance was referring to?



In a message dated 12/26/2005 5:14:52 A.M. Mountain Standard 
Time,[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:..are one and the same 'spirit'. The 'degrees' in 
Mormonism correspond tothe 'degrees' in freemasonry. DANGEROUS 
STUFF!There is no provable 
relationship. If there was, you would do more thanmake a 
blanket statement.Blainerb

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry







I am not aware of one, except to say, as JS did, that he joined the 
Freemasons to obtain whatever friendship and support they might offer in times 
of duress--as you are probably aware, he was arrested on false charges many 
times--0ver 40 times, as I recall--and abused both physically and 
verballya lot of times by antis of 
his day. 
But I am sure if there is any official commentary from Church authorities, 
Kevin would know where it would be found. Especially 
if it could be used against the Church. :)
Blainerb

In a message dated 12/26/2005 10:08:36 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Does the Mormon Church have an expressed opinion regarding 
  freemasonary? 
  
  jd
  
  -- 
Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


In a message dated 12/26/2005 5:14:52 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..are one and the same 'spirit'. The 
  'degrees' in Mormonism correspond to the 'degrees' in freemasonry. 
  DANGEROUS STUFF!

There is no provable relationship. If there was, you would do 
more than make a blanket statement. 
Blainerb

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry




In a message dated 12/26/2005 11:52:23 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blaine, 
  I beg to differ. I have read two books, side by side, one 
  of the Mormon temple endowment, and one of Freemasonry, and the 
  similarities are unmistakable, from the the clothing and anointing to the 
  secret grips, tokens, and penalties. Add to this the fact that JS 
  was himself a mason of at least the 32nd degree, and it is quite obvious 
  that JS adopted and adapted the Freemason ceremonies for his own use in 
  the LDS temple endowments.

Blainerb: I don't think the LDS 
Church has ever denied what you are saying, so it seems unnecessary to even 
point it out. The similarities are just that, however, and there are other 
aspects of the LDS ceremonies that are highly dissimilar.Your conclusions 
thatJS just went in and adapted/borrowed stuff seems a little rash, it 
seems to me. A charitable attitude towards JS and Mormons in general 
would suggest to me that his claims to have received the temple ceremonies by 
revelation should be given first priority. As in all dreams and other 
revelations, the Lord often makes use of symbols and etc familiar to the 
recipient-- I see nothing amiss in this happening with regards to JS's 
revelations, whether regarding temple ceremonies or 
otherwise. The 
Key word here is CHARITY.

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry





In a message dated 12/26/2005 11:52:23 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Lets add to this some new information...the Freemasons, in 
  their ceremonies, pay homage to several Egyptian gods. Now, you have told 
  us that JS writes in the PoGP that one of hte names of god is Amun, or 
  Ammon, an Egyptian god. See the siilarity. I am anxious to research if JS 
  got that name fromt he pages fromt eh book of the dead he purchased and 
  pretended to translate as the Book of Abraham, or if he learned it in his 
  Masonic lodge.



Blainerb: I simply stated that some words from 
the language of Adam had been revealed to Joseph Smith, among them the word 
Ahman, for God the Father. In pointing out the similarities between that 
word and some Egyptian names for deity, I was suggesting that perhaps the 
Egyptianshad throughtime corrupted the concept of God, but had 
retained the name to some extent. It is a well known fact that languages 
change, but still retain words or similar words to the original. An 
example is the Algonquin Indian word for father--Abba. The same word in 
Hebrew has the same meaning. I am not an expert on languages, but it seems 
pretty clear there had to be a linguistic/cultural sameness at some point in 
time. Again, CHARITYmight help you reach different 
conclusionsfrom the ones you draw.

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2005-12-27 Thread Judy Taylor




I have read the same Blaine and the Freemasonry 
rituals are based on the old Fertility Cult mystery religions which is 

the same kind of paganism that got the Canaanite Nations exiled from the Promised Land and 
destroyed. There is a
sexual aspect to both. jt

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:06:14 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  I am not aware of one, except to say, as JS did, that he joined the 
  Freemasons to obtain whatever friendship and support they might offer in times 
  of duress--as you are probably aware, he was arrested on false charges many 
  times--0ver 40 times, as I recall--and abused both physically and 
  verballya lot of times by antis of 
  his day. 
  But I am sure if there is any official commentary from Church 
  authorities, Kevin would know where it would be found. Especially if it could be used against the Church. 
  :)
  Blainerb
  
  In a message dated 12/26/2005 10:08:36 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Does the Mormon Church have an expressed opinion regarding 
freemasonary? 

jd

From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  
  In a message dated 12/26/2005 5:14:52 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
..are one and the same 'spirit'. The 'degrees' in 
Mormonism correspond to the 'degrees' in freemasonry. DANGEROUS 
STUFF!
  
  There is no provable relationship. If there was, you would do 
  more than make a blanket statement. 
  Blainerb
  
  
   
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry