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Blaine: What I had in mind mostly, Perry, was my first experience 
with a Southern Baptist--I had rented an aptartment Iowned 
in Midvale (located about 12 miles south of Salt lake City)to an SB man. 
Not knowing he was a SB, wetried talking to himregards religion, and 
were informed he was a SB and that he was in no way interested in 
discussion. Later, after he moved to another location, he sent us a notice 
ofhis upcoming wedding reception, to which we were invited. The 
reception was to be held in a local Baptist Church. We thought it very 
friendly of him, so we attended. That was a mistake. He ignored us 
completely. When we went downstairs to eat the reception luncheon, 
everyone acted as if we were not there. I wondered if I had become 
invisible. We tried talking to the Pasteur (Baptist Minister?) and were 
again ignored. We finally left, wondering if we should grab our gift back 
on 
the way out. :) I asked my wife what she thought we did 
wrong, and she said she thought it might have gone better if I had not worn my 
white, almost transparent shirt--through which my Mormon undergarments showed 
clearly.:) Later, when the SBs came to Salt Lake City 
for their convention, this SB man showed up on our doorstep with a partner, 
wanting to give us some "Christian" literature. We politely 
declined. I wanted to ask him about the non-reception-type experience we 
had at his reception, but thought it would just embarrass him, so let it 
go. At any rate, that is partly, at least, what I had in mind.


In a message dated 6/15/2005 7:48:53 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
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Blaine, 
  you say in your comment, "Does that explain anything?". This leads me to 
  think that you have somethingin mind? What does it explain to you? (I have 
  never been too good at reading between the 
  lines).PerryFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: 
  Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in...Date: Wed, 
  15 Jun 2005 20:52:44 EDTOf all the places in the 
  US, Mormon missionaries have conistently 
  receivedthe poorest treatment in the South, in the area 
  sometimes called the BibleBelt. Beatings, persecutions of 
  all types, have been the mode of the day.  Isthis 
  just a coincidence, or what? Southern Baptists seem to have a grip 
  onthe area in general. Does that explain 
  anything? Hmmm, this gives me pausefor 
  thought.Blainerb

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In a message dated 6/16/2005 6:02:25 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There's not a lot of history of tolerance in the 
  South. Sorry to hear that. Just goes to show that not everyone who 
  is a self-proclaimed "Christian" really behaves like Jesus. He would 
  have rebuked the mormons and preached to them, but I don't think He would beat 
  them up! Izzy

I agree, for once, with you, Izzy. I don't think the tactics used by 
the "good ol' boys" of the South solved their problem. Sometimes 
persecuting people only makes them more determined. I think that 
isone reason there are now plenty of Mormons in the south, and a few 
temples, too, which are usually a rough measure of the actual numbers. BUT 
I have read a number of incidents regards missionaries being threatened and 
roughed up. One such incident was actually comical-- the missionaries had 
been threatened by a mob of hooded men at night, so they loudly announced they 
would "gore the hell" out of them if they didn't leave them 
alone. Believe it or not, it worked, and the hooded guys took off, 
apparently believing Mormons literally developed horns when it got dark. 
:)

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believing Mormons literally developed horns when it got dark. :)

Is that like Mormons believing that dark skinned persons became white when they got right?

Lot's of people claim to be Christians.
if you are born in the USA some consider you a Christian.
If you go to church, some consider you Christian
Can you believe it? Even mormons claim to be Christians!
So that goes to show claiming and belonging are like:

Some are PROFESSORS
ONLY True christians are POSSESORS![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 6/16/2005 6:02:25 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There's not a lot of history of tolerance in the South. Sorry to hear that. Just goes to show that not everyone who is a self-proclaimed "Christian" really behaves like Jesus. He would have rebuked the mormons and preached to them, but I don't think He would beat them up! Izzy

I agree, for once, with you, Izzy. I don't think the tactics used by the "good ol' boys" of the South solved their problem. Sometimes persecuting people only makes them more determined. I think that isone reason there are now plenty of Mormons in the south, and a few temples, too, which are usually a rough measure of the actual numbers. BUT I have read a number of incidents regards missionaries being threatened and roughed up. One such incident was actually comical-- the missionaries had been threatened by a mob of hooded men at night, so they loudly announced they would "gore the hell" out of them if they didn't leave them alone. Believe it or not, it worked, and the hooded guys took off, apparently believing Mormons literally developed horns when it got dark. :)
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In a message dated 6/16/2005 12:03:09 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  believing Mormons literally developed horns when it got 
  dark. :)
  
  Is that like Mormons believing that dark skinned persons became white 
  when they got right?

Blaine: The BoM does indicate some dark-skinned people became 
lighter in coloras they became more in tune with the truth. However, 
it does not mention how long this process took, and the suggestion is that 
inter-marriage with the lighter-skinned Nephites may have had something to do 
with it. I am pretty sure it was a natural phenomenon, although, who 
knows? That was then, this is now, as the saying goes. Who are 
we to question history? We were not there, and so few details are given 
(remember, the BoM is acondensed version, an "abridgement" of much longer 
records), it is at best inconclusive!!! In fact, most of your 
criticismsshould be labeled IMO!!): AND 
youOFTEN reflect lack of faith in the power of God to perform miracles, 
which is exactly what JS saidthe Lordgave as his reason for telling 
him not to join any other churches. Asthe 
Lordsaid, "They teach for doctrine the commandments of men, which have a 
form of Godliness, but DENY THE POWER 
THEREOF."

Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in...

Who are we to question history? We were not there, and so few details are given

As late as 1960 it was stated in GC that Indians can become WHITE delightsome thru a CHURCH PROGRAM not intermarriage!

LIGHTER than Brothers
October 1960 LDS Church Conference, Spencer Kimball utilized 2 Nephi 30:6 when he stated how the Indians "are fast becoming a white and delightsome people." He said, "The [Indian] children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation" (Improvement Era, December 1960, pp. 922-3).

LIGHTER than parents
Kimball referred to a 16-year-old Indian girl who was both LDS and "several shades lighter than her parents..." He went on to say, "These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness. One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated."
Where you there?

Why was the BoM words changed to "PURE" Delightsome?

AND MOST IMPORTANT:
What is so BAD about having dark skin that one would need a Miracle to overcome?
What does skin color have to do with a person's spirituality?
Brigham Young declared that apostates would "become gray-haired, wrinkled, and black, just like the Devil" (Journal of Discourse 5:332).

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 6/16/2005 12:03:09 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

believing Mormons literally developed horns when it got dark. :)

Is that like Mormons believing that dark skinned persons became white when they got right?

Blaine: The BoM does indicate some dark-skinned people became lighter in coloras they became more in tune with the truth. However, it does not mention how long this process took, and the suggestion is that inter-marriage with the lighter-skinned Nephites may have had something to do with it. I am pretty sure it was a natural phenomenon, although, who knows? That was then, this is now, as the saying goes. Who are we to question history? We were not there, and so few details are given (remember, the BoM is acondensed version, an "abridgement" of much longer records), it is at best inconclusive!!! In fact, most of your criticismsshould be labeled IMO!!): AND youOFTEN reflect lack of faith in the power of God to perform miracles, which is exactly what JS saidthe Lordgave as his reason for telling him not to join any other churches.
Asthe Lordsaid, "They teach for doctrine the commandments of men, which have a form of Godliness, but DENY THE POWER THEREOF."
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In a message dated 6/16/2005 12:47:15 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why 
  was the BoM words changed to "PURE"  
Delightsome?

BlaineActually I am not sure why they made the change. I 
just know they did such, as it used to read, "WHITE and delightsome." I 
suppose it may have something to do with how the meanings of words change over 
time. I do not worry aboutminor issues, however. 
My faith has been rewarded in the past, and I have confidence it will in the 
furture. The major issues, that new truths were revealed, and that a 
prophet was called and chosen to prepare the way for the second coming of the 
Messiah, as John the Baptistwas called and chosento prepare 
for the first coming, are important, and I focus on those.

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2005-06-16 Thread Lance Muir




Whomever wrote this has had far too much exposure to Kevin and Izzie 
(occasionally Judith). Elephant you say? What elephant? I don't see an elephant. 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 16, 2005 15:21
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: 
  Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in...
  
  
  In a message dated 6/16/2005 12:47:15 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  Why 
was the BoM words changed to "PURE"  
  Delightsome?
  
  BlaineActually I am not sure why they made the change. 
  I just know they did such, as it used to read, "WHITE and delightsome." 
  I suppose it may have something to do with how the meanings of words change 
  over time. I do not worry aboutminor issues, 
  however. My faith has been rewarded in the past, and I have confidence 
  it will in the furture. The major issues, that new truths were revealed, 
  and that a prophet was called and chosen to prepare the way for the second 
  coming of the Messiah, as John the Baptistwas called and 
  chosento prepare for the first coming, are important, and I focus on 
  those.

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But what about the "prophet" saying that a girl has becomer lighter (whiter) than her brother?

CMON Blaine, you need a better explanation than this.
The word white has now become the modern word pure?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



In a message dated 6/16/2005 12:47:15 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why was the BoM words changed to "PURE"  Delightsome?

BlaineActually I am not sure why they made the change. I just know they did such, as it used to read, "WHITE and delightsome." I suppose it may have something to do with how the meanings of words change over time. I do not worry aboutminor issues, however. My faith has been rewarded in the past, and I have confidence it will in the furture. The major issues, that new truths were revealed, and that a prophet was called and chosen to prepare the way for the second coming of the Messiah, as John the Baptistwas called and chosento prepare for the first coming, are important, and I focus on those. 
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2005-06-16 Thread Charles Perry Locke

If dark skin becoming lighter Is a symbol of truth, then Micheal jackson may 
really be innocent!

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Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:33:03 EDT

In a message dated 6/16/2005 12:03:09 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 believing Mormons literally developed horns when it got  dark.  :)

Is that like Mormons believing that dark skinned persons became white  when
they got right?

Blaine:   The BoM does indicate some dark-skinned people became  lighter in
color as they became more in tune with the truth.  However,  it does not
mention how long this process took, and the suggestion is that  
inter-marriage with

the lighter-skinned Nephites may have had something to do  with it.  I am
pretty sure it was a natural phenomenon, although, who  knows?   That was 
then,
this is now, as the saying goes.  Who are  we to question history?  We were 
not

there, and so few details are given  (remember, the BoM is a condensed
version, an abridgement of much longer  records), it is at best 
inconclusive!!!  In
fact, most of your  criticisms should be labeled IMO!! ):AND  you 
OFTEN

reflect lack of faith in the power of God to perform miracles,  which is
exactly what JS said the Lord gave as his reason for telling  him not to 
join any
other churches.  As the  Lord said, They teach for doctrine the 
commandments

of men, which have a  form of Godliness, but DENY THE POWER  THEREOF.

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LOL
You guys come up with some good ones sometimes.Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If dark skin becoming lighter Is a symbol of truth, then Micheal jackson may really be innocent!From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in...Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:33:03 EDTIn a message dated 6/16/2005 12:03:09 PM Mountain Standard Time,[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: believing Mormons literally developed horns when it got dark. :)Is that like Mormons believing that dark skinned persons became white whenthey got right?Blaine: The BoM does indicate some dark-skinned people became lighter incolor as they became more in tune with the truth. However, it does notmention how
long this process took, and the suggestion is that inter-marriage withthe lighter-skinned Nephites may have had something to do with it. I ampretty sure it was a natural phenomenon, although, who knows? That was then,this is now, as the saying goes. Who are we to question history? We were notthere, and so few details are given (remember, the BoM is a condensedversion, an "abridgement" of much longer records), it is at best inconclusive!!! Infact, most of your criticisms should be labeled IMO!! ): AND you OFTENreflect lack of faith in the power of God to perform miracles, which isexactly what JS said the Lord gave as his reason for telling him not to join anyother churches. As the Lord said, "They teach for doctrine the commandmentsof men, which have a form of Godliness, but DENY THE POWER THEREOF."--"Let your speech be
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2005-06-15 Thread Blainerb473





Of all the places in the US, Mormon missionaries have conistently 
received the poorest treatment in the South, in the areasometimes called 
the Bible Belt. Beatings, persecutions of all types, have been the mode of 
the day. Isthis just a coincidence, or what? Southern Baptists 
seem to have a grip on the area in general. Does that explain 
anything? Hmmm, this gives me pause for thought.
Blainerb



In a message dated 6/12/2005 6:12:52 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I remember spending 
  two weeks in Selma 
  Alabama the summer Rosa Parks 
  refused to go to the back of the bus. At the time I didnt know anything 
  about that, but I was shocked at the way Negroes (the proper term at the 
  time) were treated there. I had never experienced anything like 
  that. Separate water fountains and windows at the Dairy Queen; separate 
  seating areas at the movie theatre. Prevailing superiority caste system 
  by those in control (whites). Im glad I saw it first hand. 
  Centuries old bigotries and ways of living die hard. Changing mindsets and 
  mores is like going through a birth processvery painful, but worthwhile in 
  the long run. By the way, the blacks needed to change, too, as they had been 
  pushed down for so long; they are still learning to be self-reliant and 
  competitive in the marketplace. Living in the inner-city gives you plenty of 
  experience with those who havent made the shift yet. Entire ethnic groups 
  dont change in one generation; black or white. The Secret Life of Bees by Sue Monk 
  Kidd was a cute, touching novel which addressed the southern race issue. 
  Izzy

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2005-06-15 Thread Charles Perry Locke

Blaine, you say in your comment, Does that explain anything?. This leads 
me to think that you have somethingin mind? What does it explain to you? (I 
have never been too good at reading between the lines).


Perry


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Of all the places in the US,  Mormon missionaries have conistently  
received

the poorest treatment in the South, in the area sometimes called  the Bible
Belt.  Beatings, persecutions of all types, have been the mode of  the day. 
 Is
this just a coincidence, or what?  Southern Baptists  seem to have a grip 
on
the area in general.  Does that explain  anything?  Hmmm, this gives me 
pause

for thought.
Blainerb



In a message dated 6/12/2005 6:12:52 AM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I remember spending  two weeks in Selma  Alabama the summer Rosa Parks
refused to go to the back of the bus.  At the time I didn’t know anything 
 about
that, but I was shocked at the way “Negroes” (the proper term at the  
time)
were treated there.  I had never experienced anything like  that.  Separate 
water

fountains and windows at the Dairy Queen; separate  seating areas at the
movie theatre.  Prevailing superiority caste system  by those in control 
(whites).
 I’m glad I saw it first hand.   Centuries old bigotries and ways of 
living
die hard. Changing mindsets and  mores is like going through a birth 
process—
very painful, but worthwhile in  the long run. By the way, the blacks 
needed to

change, too, as they had been  pushed down for so long; they are still
learning to be self-reliant and  competitive in the marketplace. Living in 
the
inner-city gives you plenty of  experience with those who haven’t made 
the shift
yet. Entire ethnic groups  don’t change in one generation; black or 
white. “The

Secret Life of Bees” by Sue Monk  Kidd was a cute, touching novel which
addressed the southern race issue.   Izzy






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2005-06-14 Thread Kevin Deegan

Indians slaughtered Indians too!ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


It's a bit more complicated than that, JD. I don't believe in idolizing the American Indian, even though I'm a descendant of one. Izzy


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A close #2 on the list of "we have rights and no one else does"and we kill to prove it. 

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JD, how would you rank the way we treated the native americans compared to the blacks?From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a Murder TrialDate: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:09:38 -0400Good post. The way we treated the blacks notso long ago is perhaps the most bing part of our history, as a nation -- and we have more than one sore spot.I saw it first hand when I went to seminary in Dallas (not Dallas Thological). the white church, the way the newspapers addressed black people (omitting
 "Mr." and "Mrs." ) and so on.Your exhumanist friendJD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 07:12:01 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a Murder TrialI remember spending two weeks in Selma Alabama the summer Rosa Parks refused to go to the back of the bus. At the time I didn't know anything about that, but I was shocked at the way "Negroes" (the proper term at the time) were treated there. I had never experienced anything like that. Separate water fountains and windows at the Dairy Queen;
 separate seating areas at the movie theatre. Prevailing superiority caste system by those in control (whites). I'm glad I saw it first hand. Centuries old bigotries and ways of living die hard. Changing mindsets and mores is like going through a birth process-very painful, but worthwhile in the long run. By the way, the blacks needed to change, too, as they had been pushed down for so long; they are still learning to be self-reliant and competitive in the marketplace. Living in the inner-city gives you plenty of experience with those who haven't made the shift yet. Entire ethnic groups don't change in one generation; black or white. "The Secret Life of Bees" by Sue Monk Kidd was a cute, touching novel which addressed the southern race issue. IzzyFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 3:55 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a Murder TrialWell, actually, I did not send THIS page. I thought I was sending the NY Times article, itself. Once again, the NY Times has failed us. Sorry guys. The movie was called "Mississippi Burning" with Gene Hackman and William Defoe. Excellent. It makes me angry everytime I see it. I was 19 when these three young men (my age) were murdered by the original one-toothers there in Mississippi.Anyway -- I read the Times each morning and thought this would be a simple matter in regard to
 emailing.JD-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 04:40:21 -0500Subject: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a Murder TrialThis page was sent to you by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Message from sender:I was given custody of my boys in 1988. They were 12 and 9 at the time. I purchased the movie of this sad event and used it to "brain wash" the boys against this sort of thing and the very ignorant poeple who commit to such bigoted actions. JDNATIONAL | June 12, 2005Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This
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2005-06-14 Thread knpraise


So what? !! That has nothing to do with what we did  nothing. All such "logic" allows us to avoid the conviction we so deserve. 

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Indians slaughtered Indians too!ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

It's a bit more complicated than that, JD. I don't believe in idolizing the American Indian, even though I'm a descendant of one. Izzy


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A close #2 on the list of "we have rights and no one else does"and we kill to prove it. 

Jd-Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:45:29 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a 


JD, how would you rank the way we treated the native americans compared to the blacks?From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a Murder TrialDate: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:09:38 -0400Good post. The way we treated the blacks notso long ago is perhaps the most bing part of our history, as a nation -- and we have more than one sore spot.I saw it first hand when I went to seminary in Dallas (not Dallas Thological). the white church, the way the newspapers addressed black people (omitting "Mr." and "Mrs." ) and so on.Your exhumanist friendJD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 07:12:01 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a Murder TrialI remember spending two weeks in Selma Alabama the summer Rosa Parks refused to go to the back of the bus. At the time I didn't know anything about that, but I was shocked at the way "Negroes" (the proper term at the time) were treated there. I had never experienced anything like that. Separate water fountains and windows at the Dairy Queen; separate seating areas at the movie theatre. Prevailing superiority caste system by those in control (whites). I'm glad I saw it first hand. Centuries old bigotries and ways of living die hard. Changing mindsets and mores is like going through a birth process-very painful, but worthwhile in the long run. By the way, the blacks needed to change, too, as they had been pushed down for so long; they are still learning to be self-reliant and competitive in the marketplace. Living in the inner-city gives you plenty of experience with those who haven't made the shift yet. Entire ethnic groups don't change in one generation; black or white. "The Secret Life of Bees" by Sue Monk Kidd was a cute, touching novel which addressed the southern race issue. IzzyFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 3:55 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a Murder TrialWell, actually, I did not send THIS page. I thought I was sending the NY Times article, itself. Once again, the NY Times has failed us. Sorry guys. The movie was called "Mississippi Burning" with Gene Hackman and William Defoe. Excellent. It makes me angry everytime I see it. I was 19 when these three young men (my age) were murdered by the original one-toothers there in Mississippi.Anyway -- I read the Times each morning and thought this would be a simple matter in regard to emailing.JD-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 04:40:21 -0500Subject: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a Murder TrialThis page was sent to you by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Message from sender:I was given custody of my boys in 1988. They were 12 and 9 at the time. I purchased the movie of this sad event and used it to "brain wash" the boys against this sort of thing and the very ignorant poeple who commit to such bigoted actions. JDNATIONAL | June 12, 2005Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a Murder TrialBy SHAILA DEWANEdgar Ray Killen, 80, will stand trial for murder in the killings of James Earl Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael H. Schwerner in Mississippi in 1964.1. Grisly Effect of One Drug: 'Meth Mouth'2. Skin Deep: Psst! This Stuff Keeps You Young, but It's Illegal3. Op-Ed Columnist: Losing Our Country4. Editorial: Zealots at the Air Force Academy5. Op-Ed Columnist: Behind Every Grad...» Go to C

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Well, actually, I did not send THIS page. I thought I was sending the NY Times article, itself. Once again, the NY Times has failed us. Sorry guys. The movie was called "Mississippi Burning" with Gene Hackman andWilliam Defoe. Excellent. It makesme angry everytime I see it. I was 19 when these three young men (my age) were murdered by the original one-toothers there in Mississippi.

Anyway -- I read the Times each morning and thought this would be a simple matterin regard to emailing.

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I remember spending two weeks in Selma Alabama
the summer Rosa Parks refused to go to the back of the bus. At the time I didnt
know anything about that, but I was shocked at the way Negroes (the proper
term at the time) were treated there. I had never experienced anything like
that. Separate water fountains and windows at the Dairy Queen; separate
seating areas at the movie theatre. Prevailing superiority caste system by
those in control (whites). Im glad I saw it first hand. Centuries old
bigotries and ways of living die hard. Changing mindsets and mores is like
going through a birth processvery painful, but worthwhile in the long run. By
the way, the blacks needed to change, too, as they had been pushed down for so
long; they are still learning to be self-reliant and competitive in the
marketplace. Living in the inner-city gives you plenty of experience with those
who havent made the shift yet. Entire ethnic groups dont change in one
generation; black or white. The Secret Life
of Bees by Sue Monk Kidd was a cute, touching novel which addressed
the southern race issue. Izzy











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thought I was sending the NY
Times article, itself. Once again, the NY Times has failed
us. Sorry guys. The movie was called Mississippi
Burning with Gene Hackman
andWilliam Defoe. Excellent. It makesme
angry everytime
I see it. I was 19 when these three young men (my age) were
murdered by the original one-toothers
there in Mississippi.












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Good post. The way we treated the blacks notso long ago is perhaps the most bing part of our history, as a nation -- and we have more than one sore spot. 

I saw it first hand when I went to seminary in Dallas (not Dallas Thological).the white church, the way the newspapers addressedblack people (omitting "Mr." and "Mrs." ) and so on. 

Your exhumanist friend

JD



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I remember spending two weeks in Selma Alabama the summer Rosa Parks refused to go to the back of the bus. At the time I didn't know anything about that, but I was shocked at the way "Negroes" (the proper term at the time) were treated there. I had never experienced anything like that. Separate water fountains and windows at the Dairy Queen; separate seating areas at the movie theatre. Prevailing superiority caste system by those in control (whites). I'm glad I saw it first hand. Centuries old bigotries and ways of living die hard. Changing mindsets and mores is like going through a birth process-very painful, but worthwhile in the long run. By the way, the blacks needed to change, too, as they had been pushed down for so long; they are still learning to be self-reliant and competitive in the marketplace. Living in the inner-city gives you plenty of experience with those who haven't made the shift yet. Entire ethnic groups don't change in one generation; black or white. "The Secret Life of Bees" by Sue Monk Kidd was a cute, touching novel which addressed the southern race issue. Izzy





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A close #2 on the list of "we have rights and no one else does"and we kill to prove it.

Jd-Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:45:29 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a

JD, how would you rank the way we treated the native americans compared to the blacks?From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a Murder TrialDate: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:09:38 -0400Good post. The way we treated the blacks notso long ago is perhaps the most bing part of our history, as a nation -- and we have more than one sore spot.I saw it first hand when I went to seminary in Dallas (not Dallas Thological). the white church, the way the newspapers addressed black people (omitting "Mr." and "Mrs." ) and so on.Your exhumanist friendJD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 07:12:01 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a Murder TrialI remember spending two weeks in Selma Alabama the summer Rosa Parks refused to go to the back of the bus. At the time I didn't know anything about that, but I was shocked at the way "Negroes" (the proper term at the time) were treated there. I had never experienced anything like that. Separate water fountains and windows at the Dairy Queen; separate seating areas at the movie theatre. Prevailing superiority caste system by those in control (whites). I'm glad I saw it first hand. Centuries old bigotries and ways of living die hard. Changing mindsets and mores is like going through a birth process-very painful, but worthwhile in the long run. By the way, the blacks needed to change, too, as they had been pushed down for so long; they are still learning to be self-reliant and competitive in the marketplace. Living in the inner-city gives you plenty of experience with those who haven't made the shift yet. Entire ethnic groups don't change in one generation; black or white. "The Secret Life of Bees" by Sue Monk Kidd was a cute, touching novel which addressed the southern race issue. IzzyFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 3:55 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a Murder TrialWell, actually, I did not send THIS page. I thought I was sending the NY Times article, itself. Once again, the NY Times has failed us. Sorry guys. The movie was called "Mississippi Burning" with Gene Hackman and William Defoe. Excellent. It makes me angry everytime I see it. I was 19 when these three young men (my age) were murdered by the original one-toothers there in Mississippi.Anyway -- I read the Times each morning and thought this would be a simple matter in regard to emailing.JD-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 04:40:21 -0500Subject: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a Murder TrialThis page was sent to you by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Message from sender:I was given custody of my boys in 1988. They were 12 and 9 at the time. I purchased the movie of this sad event and used it to "brain wash" the boys against this sort of thing and the very ignorant poeple who commit to such bigoted actions. JDNATIONAL | June 12, 2005Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a Murder TrialBy SHAILA DEWANEdgar Ray Killen, 80, will stand trial for murder in the killings of James Earl Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael H. Schwerner in Mississippi in 1964.1. Grisly Effect of One Drug: 'Meth Mouth'2. Skin Deep: Psst! This Stuff Keeps You Young, but It's Illegal3. Op-Ed Columnist: Losing Our Country4. Editorial: Zealots at the Air Force Academy5. Op-Ed Columnist: Behind Every Grad...» Go to Complete ListAdvertisement/- E-mail Sponsored by Fox Searchlight Pictures \Watch the teaser trailer now for ROLL BOUNCE - in theaters September 23In the late 70s when roller skating was a way of life, X (Bow Wow) and his pals ruled supreme. But when the doors of their local skating rink close, it marks the end of an era and the beginning of another that sees the boys venture into foreign territory - uptown's Sweetwater Roller Rink, complete with its over-the-top skaters and beautiful girls.http://www.foxsearchlight.com/rollbounce/index_nyt.htmlDo you love NY? Get the insider's guide to where to stay, what to do and where to eat. Go to www.nytimes.com/travel for your NYC Guide now. Click here.Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company | Privacy Policy--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned wit

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2005-06-12 Thread Kevin Deegan

And the Irish Italians!Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JD, how would you rank the way we treated the native americans compared to the blacks?From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a Murder TrialDate: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:09:38 -0400Good post. The way we treated the blacks notso long ago is perhaps the most bing part of our history, as a nation -- and we have more than one sore spot.I saw it first hand when I went to seminary in Dallas (not Dallas Thological). the white church, the way the newspapers addressed black people (omitting "Mr." and "Mrs." ) and so on.Your exhumanist friendJD-Original
Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 07:12:01 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a Murder TrialI remember spending two weeks in Selma Alabama the summer Rosa Parks refused to go to the back of the bus. At the time I didn't know anything about that, but I was shocked at the way "Negroes" (the proper term at the time) were treated there. I had never experienced anything like that. Separate water fountains and windows at the Dairy Queen; separate seating areas at the movie theatre. Prevailing superiority caste system by those in control (whites). I'm glad I saw it first hand. Centuries old bigotries and ways of living die hard. Changing mindsets and mores is like going through a birth process-very painful, but worthwhile in the long
run. By the way, the blacks needed to change, too, as they had been pushed down for so long; they are still learning to be self-reliant and competitive in the marketplace. Living in the inner-city gives you plenty of experience with those who haven't made the shift yet. Entire ethnic groups don't change in one generation; black or white. "The Secret Life of Bees" by Sue Monk Kidd was a cute, touching novel which addressed the southern race issue. IzzyFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 3:55 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a Murder TrialWell, actually, I did not send THIS page. I thought I was sending the NY Times article, itself. Once
again, the NY Times has failed us. Sorry guys. The movie was called "Mississippi Burning" with Gene Hackman and William Defoe. Excellent. It makes me angry everytime I see it. I was 19 when these three young men (my age) were murdered by the original one-toothers there in Mississippi.Anyway -- I read the Times each morning and thought this would be a simple matter in regard to emailing.JD-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 04:40:21 -0500Subject: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a Murder TrialThis page was sent to you by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Message from sender:I was given custody of my boys in 1988. They were 12 and 9 at the time. I purchased the movie of this sad event and used it to "brain
wash" the boys against this sort of thing and the very ignorant poeple who commit to such bigoted actions. JDNATIONAL | June 12, 2005Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a Murder TrialBy SHAILA DEWANEdgar Ray Killen, 80, will stand trial for murder in the killings of James Earl Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael H. Schwerner in Mississippi in 1964.1. Grisly Effect of One Drug: 'Meth Mouth'2. Skin Deep: Psst! This Stuff Keeps You Young, but It's Illegal3. Op-Ed Columnist: Losing Our Country4. Editorial: Zealots at the Air Force Academy5. Op-Ed Columnist: Behind Every Grad...» Go to Complete ListAdvertisement/- E-mail Sponsored by Fox Searchlight Pictures \Watch the teaser trailer now for ROLL BOUNCE - in theaters September
23In the late 70s when roller skating was a way of life, X (Bow Wow) and his pals ruled supreme. But when the doors of their local skating rink close, it marks the end of an era and the beginning of another that sees the boys venture into foreign territory - uptown's Sweetwater Roller Rink, complete with its over-the-top skaters and beautiful girls.http://www.foxsearchlight.com/rollbounce/index_nyt.htmlDo you love NY? Get the insider's guide to where to stay, what to do and where to eat. Go to www.nytimes.com/travel for your NYC Guide now. Click here.Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company | Privacy Policy--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians
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2005-06-12 Thread ShieldsFamily




It's a bit more complicated than that, JD. I don't believe 
in idolizing the American Indian, even though I'm a descendant of one. 
Izzy


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A close #2 on the list of "we have rights and no one else does"and we 
kill to prove it. 

Jd-Original Message-From: Charles 
Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
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JD, how would you rank the 
way we treated the native americans compared to the 
blacks?From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: 
Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time 
in a Murder TrialDate: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:09:38 
-0400Good post. The way we treated the blacks notso 
long ago is perhaps the most bing part of our history, as a nation -- and we 
have more than one sore spot.I saw it first hand 
when I went to seminary in Dallas (not Dallas Thological). the white church, 
the way the newspapers addressed black people (omitting "Mr." and "Mrs." ) 
and so on.Your exhumanist 
friendJD-Original 
Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: 
Sun, 12 Jun 2005 07:12:01 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 
NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a Murder 
TrialI remember spending two weeks in 
Selma Alabama the summer Rosa Parks refused to go to the back of the bus. At 
the time I didn't know anything about that, but I was shocked at the way 
"Negroes" (the proper term at the time) were treated there. I had never 
experienced anything like that. Separate water fountains and windows at the 
Dairy Queen; separate seating areas at the movie theatre. Prevailing 
superiority caste system by those in control (whites). I'm glad I saw it 
first hand. Centuries old bigotries and ways of living die hard. Changing 
mindsets and mores is like going through a birth process-very painful, but 
worthwhile in the long run. By the way, the blacks needed to change, too, as 
they had been pushed down for so long; they are still learning to be 
self-reliant and competitive in the marketplace. Living in the inner-city 
gives you plenty of experience with those who haven't made the shift yet. 
Entire ethnic groups don't change in one generation; black or white. "The 
Secret Life of Bees" by Sue Monk Kidd was a cute, touching novel which 
addressed the southern race issue. 
IzzyFrom: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, 
June 12, 2005 3:55 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: 
Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time 
in a Murder TrialWell, actually, I did not send THIS 
page. I thought I was sending the NY Times article, itself. Once again, the 
NY Times has failed us. Sorry guys. The movie was called "Mississippi 
Burning" with Gene Hackman and William Defoe. Excellent. It makes me angry 
everytime I see it. I was 19 when these three young men (my age) were 
murdered by the original one-toothers there in 
Mississippi.Anyway -- I read the Times each morning 
and thought this would be a simple matter in regard to 
emailing.JD-Original 
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Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in a Murder 
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sender:I was given custody of my boys in 1988. They were 12 and 9 
at the time. I purchased the movie of this sad event and used it to "brain 
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