subject:"Re\: \[TruthTalk\] Real men kill people"



Back to your old tactics of adding words and meaning to my post.
If you cannot accept my explanation of what I wrote AND, at the 
same time, feel the need to add wording to the post, I see no 
point in continuing the discussion.   

jd




 -- Original message --
From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Well JD the tone of your email was negative so I read it as something
 other than a compliment along with the fact
 that most of the time cute little rich girls are spoiled pagans.  Do you
 know of one cute little rich girl celebrity who
 is a steadfast believer in the Lord Jesus Christ?  If not then this is
 not a description of Linda.  jt.
 
 
 On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 05:06:40 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Nothing wrong with being a cute little rich girl, Judy.   You have
 fashioned an argument for no good reason.   I do not need lessons on
 wealth and happiness.   The contrast between her young life in Oregon and
 the life she now has as a successful doctor's wife has to be remarkable. 
 And it my understanding that she rather enjoys her present circumstance. 
  You made too much of my second paragraph below.  
 
 jd
 
 From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 JD, what's this cute little rich girl stuff?  Haven't you read what
 Linda has been writing all these years.
 She has hardly had a cute little rich girl life.  Anyway money does not
 make anyone happy. Our daughter is
 married to someone who makes big bucks but is proving to be spiritually,
 emotionally, and morally desolate.
 Ask her if rich is where it is at?  She is cute and so are our three
 grandaughters but it is not enough. Hurting
 ppl hurt other people and seldom hold themselves responsible.  judyt
 
 On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:47:25 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I don't consider you as one who is qualified to discuss anything
 concerning the condition of the heart.   You will disagree, of course, 
 but you have shown a distinct harshness towards those who disagree with
 you, who are not of the same poltitical party,  who do not share the same
 social standing (i.e. the poor blacks in N.O.) .  Still, at other times,
 you almost seem human.   
 
 Your   account of the home in Oregon perhaps explains why you enjoy, so
 much, being a cute little rich girl.   
 
 jd
 
 -- Original message -- 
 From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 You and your ilk cant tell the difference between war heroes and
 murderers.  Your loss.  What a pitiful state of mind.  What an empty
 heart.  iz
  
 
 
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:03 PM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people
  
 real women marry murderers??
  
 On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:51:41 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Has he ever killed anyone from a mile and half away?
  
 -- Original message -- 
 From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Its great to know there are some real men in Canada, in spite of the
 wimps that run the P.C. government.  (In fact, my husband was born on a
 US AF base in Newfoundland. J )  iz
  
 
 
 
 Sniping with the .50 BMG in Afghanistan
 New long-distance record set!
 
 (The following is from the Canadian newspaper National Post. The shooters
 were using .50 BMG rifles that had Lilja barrels on them outfitted with
 Nightforce 5.5-22x NXS scopes.)
 OTTAWA BLOCKS U.S. EFFORT TO HONOUR OUR SNIPERS: Canadian snipers pose
 with their 50-calibre rifle at base camp in Kandahar. Five of the men,
 whose names the military withheld for security reasons, were nominated
 for Bronze Stars by the U.S. for their prowess in fighting near Gardez.
 The sixth joined the unit later in the war.
 Wait due to 'Canadian protocol'
 A kill from 2,430 metres
 By Michael Smith and Chris Wattie
 National Post
 
 The United States wants to give two teams of Canadian snipers the Bronze
 Star, a decoration for bravery, for their work in rooting out Taliban and
 al-Qaeda holdouts in eastern Afghanistan, but Canadian defence officials
 put the medals on hold, the National Post has learned.
 The five snipers spent 19 days fighting alongside the scout platoon of
 the United States Army's 187th Rakkasan brigade last month, clearing
 out diehard fighters from the mountains near Gardez in eastern
 Afghanistan.
 The Americans were so impressed by the Canadian snipers that they
 recommended them for medals after the battle.
 Sources told the Post that U.S. General Warren Edwards had already signed
 the recommendation for five Bronze Stars for the sniper teams, drawn from
 3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, last month.
 Gen. Edwards, deputy commanding general of coalition land forces in
 Afghanistan, had recommended three Canadians for a Bronze Star and two
 for a Bronze Star with distinction.
 The night before the troops were to be awarded the medals, about three
 weeks ago, Canadian

Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

2005-12-27 Thread Judy Taylor





I take care not to add words or meaning to the words of 
scripture, however
your words are not in the same category JD. I 
just can't figure why you would
send such a comment as this. jt


On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:24:48 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
  Back to your old tactics of adding words and meaning to my 
post. If you cannot accept my explanation of what I wrote AND, at the 
 same time, feel the need to add wording to the post, I see no  
point in continuing the discussion. jd From: Judy 
Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
Well JD the tone of your email was negative so I read it as  
something  other than a compliment along with the fact  
that most of the time cute little rich girls are spoiled pagans.  
Do you  know of one cute little rich girl celebrity who  
is a "steadfast" believer in the Lord Jesus Christ? If not then  
this is  not a description of Linda. jt.   
   On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 05:06:40 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  
Nothing wrong with being a cute little rich girl, Judy. You 
have  fashioned an argument for no good reason. I do not 
need lessons  on  wealth and happiness. The 
contrast between her young life in  Oregon and  the life she 
now has as a successful doctor's wife has to be  remarkable.  
 And it my understanding that she rather enjoys her present  
circumstance.   You made too much of my second paragraph 
below. jdFrom: 
Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
  JD, what's this "cute little rich girl" stuff? Haven't you 
read  what  Linda has been writing all these years. 
 She has hardly had a "cute little rich girl" life. Anyway money 
 does not  make anyone happy. Our daughter is  
married to someone who makes big bucks but is proving to be  
spiritually,  emotionally, and morally desolate.  Ask 
her if "rich is where it is at?" She is cute and so are our  
three  grandaughters but it is not enough. Hurting  ppl 
hurt other people and seldom hold themselves responsible.  
judytOn Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:47:25 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  
I don't consider you as one who is qualified to discuss anything  
concerning the condition of the heart. You will disagree, of 
 course,   but you have shown a distinct harshness towards 
those who disagree  with  you, who are not of the same 
poltitical party, who do not share  the same  social 
standing (i.e. the poor blacks in N.O.) . Still, at other  
times,  you almost seem human.
 Your account of the home in Oregon perhaps explains why you 
 enjoy, so  much, being a cute little rich girl. 
jd-- 
Original message --   From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
   You and your ilk cant tell the difference between war heroes 
and  murderers. Your loss. What a pitiful state of 
mind. What an  empty  heart. iz 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Sent: Monday, 
December 26, 2005 12:03 PM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people   
 real women marry murderers??On Mon, 26 
Dec 2005 13:51:41 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  
Has he ever killed anyone from a mile and half away?   
 -- Original message --   From: 
"ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 Its great to know there are some real men in Canada, in spite of  
the  wimps that run the P.C. government. (In fact, my husband 
was born  on a  US AF base in Newfoundland. J ) 
iz  
Sniping with the .50 BMG in Afghanistan  New long-distance record 
set!(The following is from the Canadian newspaper 
National Post. The  shooters  were using .50 BMG rifles that 
had Lilja barrels on them outfitted  with  Nightforce 
5.5-22x NXS scopes.)  OTTAWA BLOCKS U.S. EFFORT TO HONOUR OUR 
SNIPERS: Canadian snipers  pose  with their 50-calibre rifle 
at base camp in Kandahar. Five of the  men,  whose names the 
military withheld for security reasons, were  nominated  for 
Bronze Stars by the U.S. for their prowess in fighting near  
Gardez.  The sixth joined the unit later in the war.  
Wait due to 'Canadian protocol'  A kill from 2,430 metres 
 By Michael Smith and Chris Wattie  National Post  
  The United States wants to give two teams of Canadian snipers the 
 Bronze  Star, a decoration for bravery, for their work in 
rooting out  Taliban and  al-Qaeda holdouts in eastern 
Afghanistan, but Canadian defence  officials  put the medals 
on hold, the National Post has learned.  The five snipers spent 19 
days fighting alongside the scout  platoon of  the United 
States Army's 187th "Rakkasan" brigade last month,  clearing 
 out diehard fighters from the mountains near Gardez in eastern  
Afghanistan.  The Americans were so impressed by the Canadian 
snipers that they  recommended them for medals after the 
battle.  Sources told the Post that U.S. General Warren Edwards had 
already  signed  the recommendation for five Bronze Stars 
for the sniper teams,  d

Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

2005-12-27 Thread ttxpress




myth (e.g., 
evidence shows that you'verevise/d the meaning of the book of James 
toaccommodate your private doctrinal demands)


On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:33:23 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  I take care not to add words or meaning to the words 
  of scripture, 
  ||

RE: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people









Just to protect your sorry .











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005
12:55 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men
kill people













perhaps..partic
while 'combat'contains the operative myth, below; e.g., when rival gangs
engage in combative streetlevel sniping, the police investigate the/ir
'murder(er)s'; however, ppl like Izzy, contrary to their own
law/s,require society to invest itsmoral capital in manufacturing
(their) 'murder' anexpedientexemption fortheir particular
priorities  purpose/s 











On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:12:08 -0800 Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Gary, your
statement seems to imply that you believe that killing incombatis
murder. 





Is that you belief?
||

RE: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

I was truly hoping my son would drop a big J-dam right on Osama's nose.  In
fact, I'd be proud to kill him myself.  (Think Jael!)  iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:36 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

Has your husband killed anyone? How 'bout your relative, the pilot? Sounds 
like merit badge of manhood for ya.

- Original Message - 
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 26, 2005 13:12
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

 Gary, your statement seems to imply that you believe that killing in 
 combat is murder. Is that you belief?

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:03:27 -0700

real women marry murderers??

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:51:41 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Has he ever killed anyone from a mile and half away?

-- Original message --
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It's great to know there are some real men in Canada, in spite of the
wimps that run the P.C. government.  (In fact, my husband was born on a
US AF base in Newfoundland. J )  iz

Sniping with the .50 BMG in Afghanistan
New long-distance record set!

(The following is from the Canadian newspaper National Post. The shooters
were using .50 BMG rifles that had Lilja barrels on them outfitted with
Nightforce 5.5-22x NXS scopes.)
OTTAWA BLOCKS U.S. EFFORT TO HONOUR OUR SNIPERS: Canadian snipers pose
with their 50-calibre rifle at base camp in Kandahar. Five of the men,
whose names the military withheld for security reasons, were nominated
for Bronze Stars by the U.S. for their prowess in fighting near Gardez.
The sixth joined the unit later in the war.
Wait due to 'Canadian protocol'
A kill from 2,430 metres
By Michael Smith and Chris Wattie
National Post

The United States wants to give two teams of Canadian snipers the Bronze
Star, a decoration for bravery, for their work in rooting out Taliban and
al-Qaeda holdouts in eastern Afghanistan, but Canadian defence officials
put the medals on hold, the National Post has learned.
The five snipers spent 19 days fighting alongside the scout platoon of
the United States Army's 187th Rakkasan brigade last month, clearing
out diehard fighters from the mountains near Gardez in eastern
Afghanistan.
The Americans were so impressed by the Canadian snipers that they
recommended them for medals after the battle.
Sources told the Post that U.S. General Warren Edwards had already signed
the recommendation for five Bronze Stars for the sniper teams, drawn from
3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, last month.
Gen. Edwards, deputy commanding general of coalition land forces in
Afghanistan, had recommended three Canadians for a Bronze Star and two
for a Bronze Star with distinction.
The night before the troops were to be awarded the medals, about three
weeks ago, Canadian military officials in Ottawa put the decorations on
hold, according to a U.S. Army source in Afghanistan.
The Canadian military told their U.S. counterparts to wait before
awarding the medals for reasons of Canadian protocol.
Spokesmen for the Department of National Defence would not comment on the
award last night, but a source within the department said the medals are
on hold while the military decides whether or not to award the men a
similar Canadian decoration.
However, Dr. David Bercuson, director of the Centre of Military and
Strategic Studies at the University of Calgary, said the real reason for
the delay was likely official squeamishness.
Canadians don't kill -- they don't even use the word kill; that's the
problem, he said. I think the military is not sure that the government
is prepared to accept the fact, let alone celebrate the fact ... that
Canadian soldiers do sometimes end up killing people.
Many of the U.S. scouts who worked directly with the Canadian snipers
were incensed that the Canadians did not get the Bronze Star, the medal
for bravery the U.S. military usually gives foreign soldiers serving
alongside its troops.
The snipers themselves, all of whom spoke on condition their names not be
printed, have said they would prefer to receive a medal from their peers
in the field rather than from National Defence Headquarters in Ottawa.
Dr. Bercuson said there should be no objection to Canadians receiving a
U.S. decoration: As recently as the Gulf War, two Canadian CF-18 pilots
were given the Bronze Star.
He said the medals would be a badly needed boost to the morale of the
almost 900 Canadian soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan, especially
after four of their comrades were killed and eight others wounded in last
week's friendly fire incident.
Absolutely they should get it, Dr. Bercuson said. It would be good

RE: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people









So what does that have to do with
anything? (Nothing at all.) 











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005
5:43 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men
kill people







perhaps you're
sorta naive..glib..parrot-like, too, mouthing such stuff..like a .50 caliber
round into the heart of somebody you don't even know is the essence of
yourfeminine virtue..ftr, there was an excerpt on '60 Minutes' about
these particweapons, e.g. the destructive impact of one such bullet on a
moving car or truck even from a mile away but they didn'tdelve into what
it would do to a human being, e.g., sitting peacefully ona front porch
out there..a beautiful sight for you--eh, sorta likelimbaugh's
loveof the lord himself in your tender republicanheart











On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:26:05 -0600
ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:





You and your ilk cant tell the
difference between war heroes and murderers. Your loss. What a
pitiful state of mind. What an empty heart. iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005
12:03 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men
kill people







real women
marry murderers??











On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:51:41 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







Has he ever killed anyone from a mile and half away?











-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Its great to know there are some
real men in Canada,
in spite of the wimps that run the P.C. government. (In fact, my husband
was born on a US AF base in Newfoundland. J ) iz















Sniping with the .50 BMG in Afghanistan

New long-distance record set!



(The
following is from the Canadian newspaper National
Post. The shooters were using .50 BMG rifles that had Lilja
barrels on them outfitted with Nightforce 5.5-22x NXS scopes.)

OTTAWA
BLOCKS U.S.
EFFORT TO HONOUR OUR SNIPERS: Canadian snipers pose with their 50-calibre rifle
at base camp in Kandahar.
Five of the men, whose names the military withheld for security reasons, were
nominated for Bronze Stars by the U.S. for their
prowess in fighting near Gardez. The sixth joined the unit later in the war.

Wait
due to 'Canadian protocol'
A kill from 2,430 metres

By
Michael Smith and Chris Wattie
National Post


The United States
wants to give two teams of Canadian snipers the Bronze Star, a decoration for
bravery, for their work in rooting out Taliban and al-Qaeda holdouts in eastern
Afghanistan,
but Canadian defence officials put the medals on hold, the National Post has
learned.

The
five snipers spent 19 days fighting alongside the scout platoon of the United
States Army's 187th Rakkasan brigade last month, clearing out
diehard fighters from the mountains near Gardez in eastern Afghanistan.

The
Americans were so impressed by the Canadian snipers that they recommended them
for medals after the battle.

Sources
told the Post that U.S. General Warren Edwards had already signed the
recommendation for five Bronze Stars for the sniper teams, drawn from 3rd
Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, last month. Gen.
Edwards, deputy commanding general of coalition land forces in Afghanistan,
had recommended three Canadians for a Bronze Star and two for a Bronze Star
with distinction.
The night before the troops were to be awarded the medals, about three weeks
ago, Canadian military officials in Ottawa
put the decorations on hold, according to a U.S. Army source in Afghanistan.

The
Canadian military told their U.S. counterparts to wait before
awarding the medals for reasons of Canadian protocol.

Spokesmen
for the Department of National Defence would not comment on the award last
night, but a source within the department said the medals are on hold while the
military decides whether or not to award the men a similar Canadian decoration.

However,
Dr. David Bercuson, director of the Centre of Military and Strategic Studies at
the University
 of Calgary,
said the real reason for the delay was likely official squeamishness.

Canadians
don't kill -- they don't even use the word kill; that's the problem, he
said. I think the military is not sure that the government is prepared to
accept the fact, let alone celebrate the fact ... that Canadian soldiers do
sometimes end up killing people.

Many
of the U.S.
scouts who worked directly with the Canadian snipers were incensed that the
Canadians did not get the Bronze Star, the medal for bravery the U.S.
military usually gives foreign soldiers serving alongside its troops.

The
snipers themselves, all of whom spoke on condition their names not be printed,
have said they would prefer to receive a medal from their peers in the field rather
than from National Defence Headquarters in Ottawa.

Dr.
Bercuson said there should be no objection to Canadians receiving a U.S

RE: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people









How judgmental you are jd. We will all
give account for our words one day. And, as Ive explained more than
once, I came from poverty. iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005
5:47 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Real men
kill people







I don't consider you as one who is qualified to
discuss anything concerning the condition of the heart. You will
disagree, of course, but you have shown a distinct harshness towards
those who disagree with you, who are not of the same poltitical party,
who do not share the same social standing (i.e. the poor blacks in N.O.)
. Still, at other times, you almost seem human. 











You account of the home in Oregon perhaps explains why you enjoy, so
much, being a cute little rich girl. 











jd











-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]


You and your ilk cant tell the
difference between war heroes and murderers. Your loss. What a
pitiful state of mind. What an empty heart. iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005
12:03 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men
kill people







real women
marry murderers??











On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:51:41 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







Has he ever killed anyone from a mile and half away?











-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Its great to know there are some
real men in Canada,
in spite of the wimps that run the P.C. government. (In fact, my husband
was born on a US AF base in Newfoundland.
J ) iz















Sniping with the .50 BMG in Afghanistan

New long-distance record set!



(The
following is from the Canadian newspaper National
Post. The shooters were using .50 BMG rifles that had Lilja
barrels on them outfitted with Nightforce 5.5-22x NXS scopes.)

OTTAWA
BLOCKS U.S. EFFORT TO HONOUR OUR
SNIPERS: Canadian snipers pose with their 50-calibre rifle at base camp in Kandahar.
Five of the men, whose names the military withheld for security reasons, were
nominated for Bronze Stars by the U.S.
for their prowess in fighting near Gardez. The sixth joined the unit later in
the war.

Wait
due to 'Canadian protocol'
A kill from 2,430 metres

By
Michael Smith and Chris Wattie
National Post


The United
 States wants to give two teams of
Canadian snipers the Bronze Star, a decoration for bravery, for their work in
rooting out Taliban and al-Qaeda holdouts in eastern Afghanistan,
but Canadian defence officials put the medals on hold, the National Post has
learned.

The
five snipers spent 19 days fighting alongside the scout platoon of the United
States Army's 187th Rakkasan brigade last month, clearing out
diehard fighters from the mountains near Gardez in eastern Afghanistan.

The
Americans were so impressed by the Canadian snipers that they recommended them
for medals after the battle.

Sources
told the Post that U.S. General Warren Edwards had already signed the
recommendation for five Bronze Stars for the sniper teams, drawn from 3rd
Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, last month. Gen.
Edwards, deputy commanding general of coalition land forces in Afghanistan,
had recommended three Canadians for a Bronze Star and two for a Bronze Star
with distinction.
The night before the troops were to be awarded the medals, about three weeks
ago, Canadian military officials in Ottawa put the decorations on hold, according to
a U.S. Army source in Afghanistan.

The
Canadian military told their U.S.
counterparts to wait before awarding the medals for reasons of Canadian
protocol.

Spokesmen
for the Department of National Defence would not comment on the award last
night, but a source within the department said the medals are on hold while the
military decides whether or not to award the men a similar Canadian decoration.

However,
Dr. David Bercuson, director of the Centre of Military and Strategic Studies at
the University of
 Calgary,
said the real reason for the delay was likely official squeamishness.

Canadians
don't kill -- they don't even use the word kill; that's the problem, he
said. I think the military is not sure that the government is prepared to
accept the fact, let alone celebrate the fact ... that Canadian soldiers do
sometimes end up killing people.

Many
of the U.S. scouts who worked
directly with the Canadian snipers were incensed that the Canadians did not get
the Bronze Star, the medal for bravery the U.S.
military usually gives foreign soldiers serving alongside its troops.

The
snipers themselves, all of whom spoke on condition their names not be printed,
have said they would prefer to receive a medal from their peers in the field
rather than from National Defence Headquarters in Ottawa.

Dr.
Bercuson said

Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

2005-12-27 Thread ttxpress




then it's true, as 
evidence shows, that youkeep neitheryour own laws,nor 
God's

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:22:27 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  Just to protect your 
  sorry .
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:55 
  PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill 
  people
  
  
  
  
  ..ppl 
  like Izzy, contrary to their own law/s,require society to invest 
  itsmoral capital in manufacturing (their) 'murder' 
  anexpedientexemption fortheir particular priorities  
  purpose/s 
  
  
  
  ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

2005-12-27 Thread ttxpress




what's the 
relationship betw your 'virtue'  your 'value/s'?

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:22:27 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  So what does that 
  have to do with anything? (Nothing at all.) 
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 5:43 
  PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill 
  people
  
  
  perhaps 
  you're sorta naive..glib..parrot-like, too, mouthing such stuff..like a .50 
  caliber round into the heart of somebody you don't even know is the essence of 
  yourfeminine virtue..ftr, there was an excerpt on '60 Minutes' about 
  these particweapons, e.g. the destructive impact of one such bullet on a 
  moving car or truck even from a mile away but they didn'tdelve into what 
  it would do to a human being, e.g., sitting peacefully ona front porch 
  out there..a beautiful sight for you--eh, sorta likelimbaugh's 
  loveof the lord himself in your tender 
  republicanheart
  
  
  
  On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:26:05 -0600 
  "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
You and your ilk 
cant tell the difference between war heroes and murderers. Your loss. 
What a pitiful state of mind. What an empty heart. 
iz





From: 
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real 
women marry murderers??



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writes:

  
  Has he ever killed anyone from a mile and half 
  away?
  
  
  
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From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Its great to 
know there are some real men in Canada, in 
spite of the wimps that run the P.C. government. (In fact, my 
husband was born on a US AF base in Newfoundland. 
J 
) iz






Sniping with the .50 BMG in Afghanistan
New long-distance record 
set!

(The following is from the Canadian newspaper 
National Post. The 
shooters were using .50 BMG rifles that had Lilja barrels on them 
outfitted with Nightforce 5.5-22x NXS 
scopes.)
OTTAWA BLOCKS 
U.S. 
EFFORT TO HONOUR OUR SNIPERS: Canadian snipers pose with their 
50-calibre rifle at base camp in Kandahar. Five of the 
men, whose names the military withheld for security reasons, were 
nominated for Bronze Stars by the U.S. for their prowess 
in fighting near Gardez. The sixth joined the unit later in the 
war.
Wait due to 'Canadian 
protocol'A kill from 2,430 
metres
By Michael Smith and Chris WattieNational 
Post
The United States wants to give two 
teams of Canadian snipers the Bronze Star, a decoration for bravery, for 
their work in rooting out Taliban and al-Qaeda holdouts in eastern 
Afghanistan, but 
Canadian defence officials put the medals on hold, the National Post has 
learned.
The five snipers spent 19 days fighting 
alongside the scout platoon of the United States Army's 187th "Rakkasan" 
brigade last month, clearing out diehard fighters from the mountains 
near Gardez in eastern Afghanistan.
The Americans were so impressed by the Canadian 
snipers that they recommended them for medals after the 
battle.
Sources told the Post that U.S. General Warren 
Edwards had already signed the recommendation for five Bronze Stars for 
the sniper teams, drawn from 3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian 
Light Infantry, last month. Gen. Edwards, deputy commanding general of 
coalition land forces in Afghanistan, 
had recommended three Canadians for a Bronze Star and two for a Bronze 
Star with distinction.The night before the troops were to be awarded 
the medals, about three weeks ago, Canadian military officials in 
Ottawa put the 
decorations on hold, according to a U.S. Army source in Afghanistan.
The Canadian military told their U.S. counterparts to 
wait before awarding the medals for reasons of "Canadian 
protocol."
Spokesmen for the Department of National Defence 
would not comment on the award last night, but a source within the 
department said the medals are on hold while the military decides 
whether or not to award the men a similar Canadian 
decoration.
However, Dr. David Bercuson, director of the

Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

You are the one comparing "cut little rich girls" to "spoiled pagans." You have added your bias to my post in this case.

And,again,you use words not found in my post nor implied therein with these words --"Do you know of one cute little rich girl celebrity ."

You do the same with scripture.

-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I take care not to add words or meaning to the words of scripture, however
your words are not in the same category JD. I just can't figure why you would
send such a comment as this. jt

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:24:48 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Back to your old tactics of adding words and meaning to my post. If you cannot accept my explanation of what I wrote AND, at the same time, feel the need to add wording to the post, I see no point in continuing the discussion. jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well JD the tone of your email was negative so I read it as something other than a compliment along with the fact that most of the time cute little rich girls are spoiled pagans. Do you know of one cute little rich girl celebrity who is a "steadfast" believer in the Lord Jesus Christ? If not then this is not a description of Linda. jt. On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 05:06:40 +0
000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nothing wrong with being a cute little rich girl, Judy. You have fashioned an argument for no good reason. I do not need lessons on wealth and happiness. The contrast between her young life in Oregon and the life she now has as a successful doctor's wife has to be remarkable. And it my understanding that she rather enjoys her present circumstance. You made too much of my second paragraph below. jdFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD, what's this "cute little rich girl" stuff? Haven't you read what Linda has been writing all these years. She has hardly had a "cute little rich girl" life. Anyway money does
not make anyone happy. Our daughter is married to someone who makes big bucks but is proving to be spiritually, emotionally, and morally desolate. Ask her if "rich is where it is at?" She is cute and so are our three grandaughters but it is not enough. Hurting ppl hurt other people and seldom hold themselves responsible. judytOn Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:47:25 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't consider you as one who is qualified to discuss anything concerning the condition of the heart. You will disagree, of course, but you have shown a distinct harshness towards those who disagree with you, who are not of the same poltitical party, who do not share the same social standing (i.e. the poor blacks in N.O.) . Still, at other
t; times, you almost seem human. Your account of the home in Oregon perhaps explains why you enjoy, so much, being a cute little rich girl. jd-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] You and your ilk cant tell the difference between war heroes and murderers. Your loss. What a pitiful state of mind. What an empty heart. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:03 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill peoplereal women marry murderers??On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:51:41 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has he ever killed anyone from a mile and half away?-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Its great to know there are some real men in Canada, in spite of the wimps that run the P.C. government. (In fact, my husband was born on a US AF base in Newfoundland. J ) iz Sniping with the .50 BMG in Afghanistan New long-di
stance record set!(The following is from the Canadian newspaper National Post. The shooters were using .50 BMG rifles that had Lilja barrels on them outfitted with Nightforce 5.5-22x NXS scopes.) OTTAWA BLOCKS U.S. EFFORT TO HONOUR OUR SNIPERS: Canadian snipers pose with their 50-calibre rifle at base camp in Kandahar. Five of the men, whose names the military withheld for security reasons, were nominated for Bronze Stars by the U.S. for their prowess in fighting near Gardez. The sixth joined the unit later in the war. Wait due to 'Canadian protocol' A kill from 2,430 metres By Michael Smith and Chris Wattie National PostThe United States wants to give two teams of Canadian snipers the Bro

RE: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people


I am not sure your escape from poverty has been completed.

jd

-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








How judgmental you are jd. We will all give account for our words one day. And, as Ive explained more than once, I came from poverty. iz





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 5:47 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people


I don't consider you as one who is qualified to discuss anything concerning the condition of the heart. You will disagree, of course, but you have shown a distinct harshness towards those who disagree with you, who are not of the same poltitical party, who do not share the same social standing (i.e. the poor blacks in N.O.) . Still, at other times, you almost seem human. 



You account of the home in Oregon perhaps explains why you enjoy, so much, being a cute little rich girl. 



jd



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
You and your ilk cant tell the difference between war heroes and murderers. Your loss. What a pitiful state of mind. What an empty heart. iz





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:03 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people


real women marry murderers??



On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:51:41 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Has he ever killed anyone from a mile and half away?



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Its great to know there are some real men in Canada, in spite of the wimps that run the P.C. government. (In fact, my husband was born on a US AF base in Newfoundland. J ) iz






Sniping with the .50 BMG in Afghanistan
New long-distance record set!

(The following is from the Canadian newspaper National Post. The shooters were using .50 BMG rifles that had Lilja barrels on them outfitted with Nightforce 5.5-22x NXS scopes.)
OTTAWA BLOCKS U.S. EFFORT TO HONOUR OUR SNIPERS: Canadian snipers pose with their 50-calibre rifle at base camp in Kandahar. Five of the men, whose names the military withheld for security reasons, were nominated for Bronze Stars by the U.S. for their prowess in fighting near Gardez. The sixth joined the unit later in the war.
Wait due to 'Canadian protocol'A kill from 2,430 metres
By Michael Smith and Chris WattieNational Post
The United States wants to give two teams of Canadian snipers the Bronze Star, a decoration for bravery, for their work in rooting out Taliban and al-Qaeda holdouts in eastern Afghanistan, but Canadian defence officials put the medals on hold, the National Post has learned.
The five snipers spent 19 days fighting alongside the scout platoon of the United States Army's 187th "Rakkasan" brigade last month, clearing out diehard fighters from the mountains near Gardez in eastern Afghanistan.

The Americans were so impressed by the Canadian snipers that they recommended them for medals after the battle.
Sources told the Post that U.S. General Warren Edwards had already signed the recommendation for five Bronze Stars for the sniper teams, drawn from 3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, last month. Gen. Edwards, deputy commanding general of coalition land forces in Afghanistan, had recommended three Canadians for a Bronze Star and two for a Bronze Star with distinction.The night before the troops were to be awarded the medals, about three weeks ago, Canadian military officials in Ottawa put the decorations on hold, according to a U.S. Army source in Afgh
anistan.
The Canadian military told their U.S. counterparts to wait before awarding the medals for reasons of "Canadian protocol."
Spokesmen for the Department of National Defence would not comment on the award last night, but a source within the department said the medals are on hold while the military decides whether or not to award the men a similar Canadian decoration.
However, Dr. David Bercuson, director of the Centre of Military and Strategic Studies at the University of Calgary, said the real reason for the delay was likely official squeamishness.
"Canadians don't kill -- they don't even use the word kill; that's the problem," he said. "I think the military is not sure that the government is prepared to accept the fact, let alone celebrate the fact ... that Canadian soldiers do sometimes end up killing people."
Many of the U.S. scouts who worked directly with the Canadian snipers were incensed that the Canadians did not get the Bronze Star, the medal for bravery the U.S. military usually gives foreign soldiers serving alongside its troops.
The snipers themselves, all of whom spoke on condition their names not be printed, have said they would pr

RE: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people


Forget about the "cute" part. Little rich girls who talk like sailors do not qualify.

jd

-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








Just to protect your sorry .





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:55 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people




perhaps..partic while 'combat'contains the operative myth, below; e.g., when rival gangs engage in combative streetlevel sniping, the police investigate the/ir 'murder(er)s'; however, ppl like Izzy, contrary to their own law/s,require society to invest itsmoral capital in manufacturing (their) 'murder' anexpedientexemption fortheir particular priorities  purpose/s 



On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:12:08 -0800 "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gary, your statement seems to imply that you believe that killing incombatis murder. 

Is that you belief?||

RE: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

2005-12-26 Thread knpraise

Has he ever killed anyone from a mile and half away?

-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Its great to know there are some real men in Canada, in spite of the wimps that run the P.C. government. (In fact, my husband was born on a US AF base in Newfoundland. J ) iz

Sniping with the .50 BMG in Afghanistan
New long-distance record set!

(The following is from the Canadian newspaper National Post. The shooters were using .50 BMG rifles that had Lilja barrels on them outfitted with Nightforce 5.5-22x NXS scopes.)
OTTAWA BLOCKS U.S. EFFORT TO HONOUR OUR SNIPERS: Canadian snipers pose with their 50-calibre rifle at base camp in Kandahar. Five of the men, whose names the military withheld for security reasons, were nominated for Bronze Stars by the U.S. for their prowess in fighting near Gardez. The sixth joined the unit later in the war.
Wait due to 'Canadian protocol'A kill from 2,430 metres
By Michael Smith and Chris WattieNational Post
The United States wants to give two teams of Canadian snipers the Bronze Star, a decoration for bravery, for their work in rooting out Taliban and al-Qaeda holdouts in eastern Afghanistan, but Canadian defence officials put the medals on hold, the National Post has learned.
The five snipers spent 19 days fighting alongside the scout platoon of the United States Army's 187th "Rakkasan" brigade last month, clearing out diehard fighters from the mountains near Gardez in eastern Afghanistan.
The Americans were so impressed by the Canadian snipers that they recommended them for medals after the battle.
Sources told the Post that U.S. General Warren Edwards had already signed the recommendation for five Bronze Stars for the sniper teams, drawn from 3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, last month. Gen. Edwards, deputy commanding general of coalition land forces in Afghanistan, had recommended three Canadians for a Bronze Star and two for a Bronze Star with distinction.The night before the troops were to be awarded the medals, about three weeks ago, Canadian military officials in Ottawa put the decorations on hold, according to a U.S. Army source in Afghanistan.
The Canadian military told their U.S. counterparts to wait before awarding the medals for reasons of "Canadian protocol."
Spokesmen for the Department of National Defence would not comment on the award last night, but a source within the department said the medals are on hold while the military decides whether or not to award the men a similar Canadian decoration.
However, Dr. David Bercuson, director of the Centre of Military and Strategic Studies at the University of Calgary, said the real reason for the delay was likely official squeamishness.
"Canadians don't kill -- they don't even use the word kill; that's the problem," he said. "I think the military is not sure that the government is prepared to accept the fact, let alone celebrate the fact ... that Canadian soldiers do sometimes end up killing people."
Many of the U.S. scouts who worked directly with the Canadian snipers were incensed that the Canadians did not get the Bronze Star, the medal for bravery the U.S. military usually gives foreign soldiers serving alongside its troops.
The snipers themselves, all of whom spoke on condition their names not be printed, have said they would prefer to receive a medal from their peers in the field rather than from National Defence Headquarters in Ottawa.
Dr. Bercuson said there should be no objection to Canadians receiving a U.S. decoration: As recently as the Gulf War, two Canadian CF-18 pilots were given the Bronze Star.
He said the medals would be a badly needed boost to the morale of the almost 900 Canadian soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan, especially after four of their comrades were killed and eight others wounded in last week's friendly fire incident.
"Absolutely they should get it," Dr. Bercuson said. "It would be good for the morale of the guys and good for the morale of the whole unit, and they need a morale boost right now."
Canadian snipers were reportedly outstanding in the fighting around the mountainous al-Qaeda bastion east of Gardez, code-named Operation Anaconda.The battle pitted the two Canadian sniper teams against an enemy that showered the assaulting coalition troops with mortars and machine-gun fire as soon as they jumped from their helicopters.
One member of the team, a corporal from Newfoundland, said on his first night in combat he and his partner got an al-Qaeda machine gun in their sights as it was hailing bullets down on U.S. troops below. Crawling up into a good position, they set up their .50-calibre rifle -- the McMillan Tac-50, a weapon the corporal compares to having superhuman power in your hands. "Firing it feels like someone slashing you on the back of your hockey helmet with a hockey stick." (These are the rifles fitted with Lilja .50 caliber barrels and Nightforce NXS scopes.)
When he hit his

Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

real women marry
murderers??

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:51:41 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Has he ever killed anyone from a mile and half away?

--
Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Its great to know
there are some real men in Canada, in spite of the wimps
that run the P.C. government. (In fact, my husband was born on a US AF
base in Newfoundland. J )
iz

Sniping with the .50 BMG in Afghanistan
New long-distance record
set!

(The following is from the Canadian newspaper
National Post. The
shooters were using .50 BMG rifles that had Lilja barrels on them outfitted
with Nightforce 5.5-22x NXS scopes.)
OTTAWA BLOCKS
U.S. EFFORT TO HONOUR OUR
SNIPERS: Canadian snipers pose with their 50-calibre rifle at base camp in
Kandahar.
Five of the men, whose names the military withheld for security reasons,
were nominated for Bronze Stars by the U.S. for
their prowess in fighting near Gardez. The sixth joined the unit later in
the war.
Wait due to 'Canadian protocol'A kill from 2,430
metres
By Michael Smith and Chris WattieNational
Post
The United
States wants to give two teams of Canadian snipers the
Bronze Star, a decoration for bravery, for their work in rooting out Taliban
and al-Qaeda holdouts in eastern Afghanistan, but Canadian defence
officials put the medals on hold, the National Post has
learned.
The five snipers spent 19 days fighting alongside
the scout platoon of the United States Army's 187th "Rakkasan" brigade last
month, clearing out diehard fighters from the mountains near Gardez in
eastern Afghanistan.
The Americans were so impressed by the Canadian
snipers that they recommended them for medals after the
battle.
Sources told the Post that U.S. General Warren
Edwards had already signed the recommendation for five Bronze Stars for the
sniper teams, drawn from 3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light
Infantry, last month. Gen. Edwards, deputy commanding general of coalition
land forces in Afghanistan, had recommended
three Canadians for a Bronze Star and two for a Bronze Star with
distinction.The night before the troops were to be awarded the medals,
about three weeks ago, Canadian military officials in Ottawa put the decorations on hold, according to a U.S.
Army source in Afghanistan.
The Canadian military told their U.S.
counterparts to wait before awarding the medals for reasons of "Canadian
protocol."
Spokesmen for the Department of National Defence
would not comment on the award last night, but a source within the
department said the medals are on hold while the military decides whether or
not to award the men a similar Canadian
decoration.
However, Dr. David Bercuson, director of the Centre
of Military and Strategic Studies at the University of Calgary, said the real reason for the
delay was likely official squeamishness.
"Canadians don't kill -- they don't even use the
word kill; that's the problem," he said. "I think the military is not sure
that the government is prepared to accept the fact, let alone celebrate the
fact ... that Canadian soldiers do sometimes end up killing
people."
Many of the U.S. scouts who worked directly with the
Canadian snipers were incensed that the Canadians did not get the Bronze
Star, the medal for bravery the U.S. military usually gives
foreign soldiers serving alongside its troops.
The snipers themselves, all of whom spoke on
condition their names not be printed, have said they would prefer to receive
a medal from their peers in the field rather than from National Defence
Headquarters in Ottawa.
Dr. Bercuson said there should be no objection to
Canadians receiving a U.S. decoration: As recently as
the Gulf War, two Canadian CF-18 pilots were given the Bronze
Star.
He said the medals would be a badly needed boost to
the morale of the almost 900 Canadian soldiers on the ground in
Afghanistan, especially after
four of their comrades were killed and eight others wounded in last week's
friendly fire incident.
"Absolutely they should get it," Dr. Bercuson said.
"It would be good for the morale of the guys and good for the morale of the
whole unit, and they need a morale boost right
now."
Canadian snipers were reportedly outstanding in the
fighting around the mountainous al-Qaeda bastion east of Gardez, code-named
Operation Anaconda.The battle pitted the two Canadian sniper teams
against an enemy that showered the assaulting coalition troops with mortars
and machine-gun fire as soon as they jumped from their

Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

Gary, your statement seems to imply that you believe that killing in combat 
is murder. Is that you belief?

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:03:27 -0700

real women marry murderers??

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:51:41 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Has he ever killed anyone from a mile and half away?

-- Original message --
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Its great to know there are some real men in Canada, in spite of the
wimps that run the P.C. government.  (In fact, my husband was born on a
US AF base in Newfoundland. J )  iz

Sniping with the .50 BMG in Afghanistan
New long-distance record set!

(The following is from the Canadian newspaper National Post. The shooters
were using .50 BMG rifles that had Lilja barrels on them outfitted with
Nightforce 5.5-22x NXS scopes.)
OTTAWA BLOCKS U.S. EFFORT TO HONOUR OUR SNIPERS: Canadian snipers pose
with their 50-calibre rifle at base camp in Kandahar. Five of the men,
whose names the military withheld for security reasons, were nominated
for Bronze Stars by the U.S. for their prowess in fighting near Gardez.
The sixth joined the unit later in the war.
Wait due to 'Canadian protocol'
A kill from 2,430 metres
By Michael Smith and Chris Wattie
National Post

The United States wants to give two teams of Canadian snipers the Bronze
Star, a decoration for bravery, for their work in rooting out Taliban and
al-Qaeda holdouts in eastern Afghanistan, but Canadian defence officials
put the medals on hold, the National Post has learned.
The five snipers spent 19 days fighting alongside the scout platoon of
the United States Army's 187th Rakkasan brigade last month, clearing
out diehard fighters from the mountains near Gardez in eastern
Afghanistan.
The Americans were so impressed by the Canadian snipers that they
recommended them for medals after the battle.
Sources told the Post that U.S. General Warren Edwards had already signed
the recommendation for five Bronze Stars for the sniper teams, drawn from
3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, last month.
Gen. Edwards, deputy commanding general of coalition land forces in
Afghanistan, had recommended three Canadians for a Bronze Star and two
for a Bronze Star with distinction.
The night before the troops were to be awarded the medals, about three
weeks ago, Canadian military officials in Ottawa put the decorations on
hold, according to a U.S. Army source in Afghanistan.
The Canadian military told their U.S. counterparts to wait before
awarding the medals for reasons of Canadian protocol.
Spokesmen for the Department of National Defence would not comment on the
award last night, but a source within the department said the medals are
on hold while the military decides whether or not to award the men a
similar Canadian decoration.
However, Dr. David Bercuson, director of the Centre of Military and
Strategic Studies at the University of Calgary, said the real reason for
the delay was likely official squeamishness.
Canadians don't kill -- they don't even use the word kill; that's the
problem, he said. I think the military is not sure that the government
is prepared to accept the fact, let alone celebrate the fact ... that
Canadian soldiers do sometimes end up killing people.
Many of the U.S. scouts who worked directly with the Canadian snipers
were incensed that the Canadians did not get the Bronze Star, the medal
for bravery the U.S. military usually gives foreign soldiers serving
alongside its troops.
The snipers themselves, all of whom spoke on condition their names not be
printed, have said they would prefer to receive a medal from their peers
in the field rather than from National Defence Headquarters in Ottawa.
Dr. Bercuson said there should be no objection to Canadians receiving a
U.S. decoration: As recently as the Gulf War, two Canadian CF-18 pilots
were given the Bronze Star.
He said the medals would be a badly needed boost to the morale of the
almost 900 Canadian soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan, especially
after four of their comrades were killed and eight others wounded in last
week's friendly fire incident.
Absolutely they should get it, Dr. Bercuson said. It would be good for
the morale of the guys and good for the morale of the whole unit, and
they need a morale boost right now.
Canadian snipers were reportedly outstanding in the fighting around the
mountainous al-Qaeda bastion east of Gardez, code-named Operation
Anaconda.
The battle pitted the two Canadian sniper teams against an enemy that
showered the assaulting coalition troops with mortars and machine-gun
fire as soon as they jumped from their helicopters.
One member of the team, a corporal from Newfoundland, said on his first
night in combat he and his partner got an al-Qaeda machine gun in their
sights as it was hailing bullets down on U.S. troops below. Crawling

Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

2005-12-26 Thread Lance Muir

Has your husband killed anyone? How 'bout your relative, the pilot? Sounds 
like merit badge of manhood for ya.

- Original Message - 
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 26, 2005 13:12
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

Gary, your statement seems to imply that you believe that killing in 
combat is murder. Is that you belief?

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:03:27 -0700

real women marry murderers??

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:51:41 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Has he ever killed anyone from a mile and half away?

-- Original message --
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It's great to know there are some real men in Canada, in spite of the
wimps that run the P.C. government.  (In fact, my husband was born on a
US AF base in Newfoundland. J )  iz

Sniping with the .50 BMG in Afghanistan
New long-distance record set!

(The following is from the Canadian newspaper National Post. The shooters
were using .50 BMG rifles that had Lilja barrels on them outfitted with
Nightforce 5.5-22x NXS scopes.)
OTTAWA BLOCKS U.S. EFFORT TO HONOUR OUR SNIPERS: Canadian snipers pose
with their 50-calibre rifle at base camp in Kandahar. Five of the men,
whose names the military withheld for security reasons, were nominated
for Bronze Stars by the U.S. for their prowess in fighting near Gardez.
The sixth joined the unit later in the war.
Wait due to 'Canadian protocol'
A kill from 2,430 metres
By Michael Smith and Chris Wattie
National Post

The United States wants to give two teams of Canadian snipers the Bronze
Star, a decoration for bravery, for their work in rooting out Taliban and
al-Qaeda holdouts in eastern Afghanistan, but Canadian defence officials
put the medals on hold, the National Post has learned.
The five snipers spent 19 days fighting alongside the scout platoon of
the United States Army's 187th Rakkasan brigade last month, clearing
out diehard fighters from the mountains near Gardez in eastern
Afghanistan.
The Americans were so impressed by the Canadian snipers that they
recommended them for medals after the battle.
Sources told the Post that U.S. General Warren Edwards had already signed
the recommendation for five Bronze Stars for the sniper teams, drawn from
3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, last month.
Gen. Edwards, deputy commanding general of coalition land forces in
Afghanistan, had recommended three Canadians for a Bronze Star and two
for a Bronze Star with distinction.
The night before the troops were to be awarded the medals, about three
weeks ago, Canadian military officials in Ottawa put the decorations on
hold, according to a U.S. Army source in Afghanistan.
The Canadian military told their U.S. counterparts to wait before
awarding the medals for reasons of Canadian protocol.
Spokesmen for the Department of National Defence would not comment on the
award last night, but a source within the department said the medals are
on hold while the military decides whether or not to award the men a
similar Canadian decoration.
However, Dr. David Bercuson, director of the Centre of Military and
Strategic Studies at the University of Calgary, said the real reason for
the delay was likely official squeamishness.
Canadians don't kill -- they don't even use the word kill; that's the
problem, he said. I think the military is not sure that the government
is prepared to accept the fact, let alone celebrate the fact ... that
Canadian soldiers do sometimes end up killing people.
Many of the U.S. scouts who worked directly with the Canadian snipers
were incensed that the Canadians did not get the Bronze Star, the medal
for bravery the U.S. military usually gives foreign soldiers serving
alongside its troops.
The snipers themselves, all of whom spoke on condition their names not be
printed, have said they would prefer to receive a medal from their peers
in the field rather than from National Defence Headquarters in Ottawa.
Dr. Bercuson said there should be no objection to Canadians receiving a
U.S. decoration: As recently as the Gulf War, two Canadian CF-18 pilots
were given the Bronze Star.
He said the medals would be a badly needed boost to the morale of the
almost 900 Canadian soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan, especially
after four of their comrades were killed and eight others wounded in last
week's friendly fire incident.
Absolutely they should get it, Dr. Bercuson said. It would be good for
the morale of the guys and good for the morale of the whole unit, and
they need a morale boost right now.
Canadian snipers were reportedly outstanding in the fighting around the
mountainous al-Qaeda bastion east of Gardez, code-named Operation
Anaconda.
The battle pitted the two Canadian sniper teams against an enemy that
showered the assaulting coalition

Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

Lance, I don't have a husband...I have a wife, and I do not have a relative 
that is a pilot.

From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:35:58 -0500

Has your husband killed anyone? How 'bout your relative, the pilot? Sounds 
like merit badge of manhood for ya.

- Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 26, 2005 13:12
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

Gary, your statement seems to imply that you believe that killing in 
combat is murder. Is that you belief?

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:03:27 -0700

real women marry murderers??

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:51:41 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Has he ever killed anyone from a mile and half away?

-- Original message --
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It's great to know there are some real men in Canada, in spite of the
wimps that run the P.C. government.  (In fact, my husband was born on a
US AF base in Newfoundland. J )  iz

Sniping with the .50 BMG in Afghanistan
New long-distance record set!

(The following is from the Canadian newspaper National Post. The shooters
were using .50 BMG rifles that had Lilja barrels on them outfitted with
Nightforce 5.5-22x NXS scopes.)
OTTAWA BLOCKS U.S. EFFORT TO HONOUR OUR SNIPERS: Canadian snipers pose
with their 50-calibre rifle at base camp in Kandahar. Five of the men,
whose names the military withheld for security reasons, were nominated
for Bronze Stars by the U.S. for their prowess in fighting near Gardez.
The sixth joined the unit later in the war.
Wait due to 'Canadian protocol'
A kill from 2,430 metres
By Michael Smith and Chris Wattie
National Post

The United States wants to give two teams of Canadian snipers the Bronze
Star, a decoration for bravery, for their work in rooting out Taliban and
al-Qaeda holdouts in eastern Afghanistan, but Canadian defence officials
put the medals on hold, the National Post has learned.
The five snipers spent 19 days fighting alongside the scout platoon of
the United States Army's 187th Rakkasan brigade last month, clearing
out diehard fighters from the mountains near Gardez in eastern
Afghanistan.
The Americans were so impressed by the Canadian snipers that they
recommended them for medals after the battle.
Sources told the Post that U.S. General Warren Edwards had already signed
the recommendation for five Bronze Stars for the sniper teams, drawn from
3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, last month.
Gen. Edwards, deputy commanding general of coalition land forces in
Afghanistan, had recommended three Canadians for a Bronze Star and two
for a Bronze Star with distinction.
The night before the troops were to be awarded the medals, about three
weeks ago, Canadian military officials in Ottawa put the decorations on
hold, according to a U.S. Army source in Afghanistan.
The Canadian military told their U.S. counterparts to wait before
awarding the medals for reasons of Canadian protocol.
Spokesmen for the Department of National Defence would not comment on the
award last night, but a source within the department said the medals are
on hold while the military decides whether or not to award the men a
similar Canadian decoration.
However, Dr. David Bercuson, director of the Centre of Military and
Strategic Studies at the University of Calgary, said the real reason for
the delay was likely official squeamishness.
Canadians don't kill -- they don't even use the word kill; that's the
problem, he said. I think the military is not sure that the government
is prepared to accept the fact, let alone celebrate the fact ... that
Canadian soldiers do sometimes end up killing people.
Many of the U.S. scouts who worked directly with the Canadian snipers
were incensed that the Canadians did not get the Bronze Star, the medal
for bravery the U.S. military usually gives foreign soldiers serving
alongside its troops.
The snipers themselves, all of whom spoke on condition their names not be
printed, have said they would prefer to receive a medal from their peers
in the field rather than from National Defence Headquarters in Ottawa.
Dr. Bercuson said there should be no objection to Canadians receiving a
U.S. decoration: As recently as the Gulf War, two Canadian CF-18 pilots
were given the Bronze Star.
He said the medals would be a badly needed boost to the morale of the
almost 900 Canadian soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan, especially
after four of their comrades were killed and eight others wounded in last
week's friendly fire incident.
Absolutely they should get it, Dr. Bercuson said. It would be good for
the morale of the guys and good for the morale of the whole unit

Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

2005-12-26 Thread Lance Muir

That, Charles, was for the one you responded to namely, Iz.

- Original Message - 
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 26, 2005 13:38
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

Lance, I don't have a husband...I have a wife, and I do not have a 
relative that is a pilot.

From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:35:58 -0500

Has your husband killed anyone? How 'bout your relative, the pilot? Sounds 
like merit badge of manhood for ya.

- Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 26, 2005 13:12
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

Gary, your statement seems to imply that you believe that killing in 
combat is murder. Is that you belief?

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:03:27 -0700

real women marry murderers??

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:51:41 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Has he ever killed anyone from a mile and half away?

-- Original message --
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It's great to know there are some real men in Canada, in spite of the
wimps that run the P.C. government.  (In fact, my husband was born on a
US AF base in Newfoundland. J )  iz

Sniping with the .50 BMG in Afghanistan
New long-distance record set!

(The following is from the Canadian newspaper National Post. The 
shooters

were using .50 BMG rifles that had Lilja barrels on them outfitted with
Nightforce 5.5-22x NXS scopes.)
OTTAWA BLOCKS U.S. EFFORT TO HONOUR OUR SNIPERS: Canadian snipers pose
with their 50-calibre rifle at base camp in Kandahar. Five of the men,
whose names the military withheld for security reasons, were nominated
for Bronze Stars by the U.S. for their prowess in fighting near Gardez.
The sixth joined the unit later in the war.
Wait due to 'Canadian protocol'
A kill from 2,430 metres
By Michael Smith and Chris Wattie
National Post

The United States wants to give two teams of Canadian snipers the Bronze
Star, a decoration for bravery, for their work in rooting out Taliban 
and

al-Qaeda holdouts in eastern Afghanistan, but Canadian defence officials
put the medals on hold, the National Post has learned.
The five snipers spent 19 days fighting alongside the scout platoon of
the United States Army's 187th Rakkasan brigade last month, clearing
out diehard fighters from the mountains near Gardez in eastern
Afghanistan.
The Americans were so impressed by the Canadian snipers that they
recommended them for medals after the battle.
Sources told the Post that U.S. General Warren Edwards had already 
signed
the recommendation for five Bronze Stars for the sniper teams, drawn 
from

3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, last month.
Gen. Edwards, deputy commanding general of coalition land forces in
Afghanistan, had recommended three Canadians for a Bronze Star and two
for a Bronze Star with distinction.
The night before the troops were to be awarded the medals, about three
weeks ago, Canadian military officials in Ottawa put the decorations on
hold, according to a U.S. Army source in Afghanistan.
The Canadian military told their U.S. counterparts to wait before
awarding the medals for reasons of Canadian protocol.
Spokesmen for the Department of National Defence would not comment on 
the

award last night, but a source within the department said the medals are
on hold while the military decides whether or not to award the men a
similar Canadian decoration.
However, Dr. David Bercuson, director of the Centre of Military and
Strategic Studies at the University of Calgary, said the real reason for
the delay was likely official squeamishness.
Canadians don't kill -- they don't even use the word kill; that's the
problem, he said. I think the military is not sure that the government
is prepared to accept the fact, let alone celebrate the fact ... that
Canadian soldiers do sometimes end up killing people.
Many of the U.S. scouts who worked directly with the Canadian snipers
were incensed that the Canadians did not get the Bronze Star, the medal
for bravery the U.S. military usually gives foreign soldiers serving
alongside its troops.
The snipers themselves, all of whom spoke on condition their names not 
be

printed, have said they would prefer to receive a medal from their peers
in the field rather than from National Defence Headquarters in Ottawa.
Dr. Bercuson said there should be no objection to Canadians receiving a
U.S. decoration: As recently as the Gulf War, two Canadian CF-18 pilots
were given the Bronze Star.
He said the medals would be a badly needed boost to the morale of the
almost 900 Canadian soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan

Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people






perhaps..partic 
while 'combat'contains the operative myth, below; e.g., when rival gangs 
engage in combative streetlevel sniping, the police investigate 
the/ir 
'murder(er)s'; however, ppl like Izzy, contrary to their own law/s,require 
society to invest itsmoral capital in manufacturing (their) 'murder' 
anexpedientexemption fortheir particular priorities  
purpose/s 

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:12:08 -0800 "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
Gary, your statement seems to imply that you believe that killing 
incombatis murder. 
Is that you belief?||

Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

I knew it was not intended for me :-) But, I had responded to Gary's 
response to Izzy.

From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:57:09 -0500

That, Charles, was for the one you responded to namely, Iz.

- Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 26, 2005 13:38
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

Lance, I don't have a husband...I have a wife, and I do not have a 
relative that is a pilot.

From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:35:58 -0500

Has your husband killed anyone? How 'bout your relative, the pilot? 
Sounds like merit badge of manhood for ya.

- Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 26, 2005 13:12
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

Gary, your statement seems to imply that you believe that killing in 
combat is murder. Is that you belief?

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:03:27 -0700

real women marry murderers??

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:51:41 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Has he ever killed anyone from a mile and half away?

-- Original message --
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It's great to know there are some real men in Canada, in spite of the
wimps that run the P.C. government.  (In fact, my husband was born on a
US AF base in Newfoundland. J )  iz

Sniping with the .50 BMG in Afghanistan
New long-distance record set!

(The following is from the Canadian newspaper National Post. The 
shooters

were using .50 BMG rifles that had Lilja barrels on them outfitted with
Nightforce 5.5-22x NXS scopes.)
OTTAWA BLOCKS U.S. EFFORT TO HONOUR OUR SNIPERS: Canadian snipers pose
with their 50-calibre rifle at base camp in Kandahar. Five of the men,
whose names the military withheld for security reasons, were nominated
for Bronze Stars by the U.S. for their prowess in fighting near Gardez.
The sixth joined the unit later in the war.
Wait due to 'Canadian protocol'
A kill from 2,430 metres
By Michael Smith and Chris Wattie
National Post

The United States wants to give two teams of Canadian snipers the 
Bronze
Star, a decoration for bravery, for their work in rooting out Taliban 
and
al-Qaeda holdouts in eastern Afghanistan, but Canadian defence 
officials

put the medals on hold, the National Post has learned.
The five snipers spent 19 days fighting alongside the scout platoon of
the United States Army's 187th Rakkasan brigade last month, clearing
out diehard fighters from the mountains near Gardez in eastern
Afghanistan.
The Americans were so impressed by the Canadian snipers that they
recommended them for medals after the battle.
Sources told the Post that U.S. General Warren Edwards had already 
signed
the recommendation for five Bronze Stars for the sniper teams, drawn 
from

3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, last month.
Gen. Edwards, deputy commanding general of coalition land forces in
Afghanistan, had recommended three Canadians for a Bronze Star and two
for a Bronze Star with distinction.
The night before the troops were to be awarded the medals, about three
weeks ago, Canadian military officials in Ottawa put the decorations on
hold, according to a U.S. Army source in Afghanistan.
The Canadian military told their U.S. counterparts to wait before
awarding the medals for reasons of Canadian protocol.
Spokesmen for the Department of National Defence would not comment on 
the
award last night, but a source within the department said the medals 
are

on hold while the military decides whether or not to award the men a
similar Canadian decoration.
However, Dr. David Bercuson, director of the Centre of Military and
Strategic Studies at the University of Calgary, said the real reason 
for

the delay was likely official squeamishness.
Canadians don't kill -- they don't even use the word kill; that's the
problem, he said. I think the military is not sure that the 
government

is prepared to accept the fact, let alone celebrate the fact ... that
Canadian soldiers do sometimes end up killing people.
Many of the U.S. scouts who worked directly with the Canadian snipers
were incensed that the Canadians did not get the Bronze Star, the medal
for bravery the U.S. military usually gives foreign soldiers serving
alongside its troops.
The snipers themselves, all of whom spoke on condition their names not 
be
printed, have said they would prefer to receive a medal from their 
peers

in the field rather than from National Defence Headquarters in Ottawa.
Dr

Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

So, your answer is a definite perhaps.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:54:53 -0700

perhaps..partic while 'combat' contains the operative myth, below; e.g.,
when rival gangs engage in combative streetlevel sniping, the police
investigate the/ir 'murder(er)s'; however, ppl like Izzy, contrary to
their own law/s, require society to invest its moral capital in
manufacturing (their) 'murder' an expedient exemption for their
particular priorities  purpose/s

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:12:08 -0800 Charles Perry Locke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Gary, your statement seems to imply that you believe that killing in
combat is murder.
Is that you belief?
||

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Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people





maybe:)

..justThinkg Thoughtfully about it together, Bro, is 
perhapsas important asthe combat per se:) 
l, g

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:06:04 -0800 "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
 So, your answer is a definite "perhaps".  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]||
 ..require[ing] society to invest its moral capital in manufacturing..'murder' [,increating for 
itself] an expedient 
exemption [from 
evil?lfor.. particular 
priorities  purpose/s  On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 
10:12:08 -0800 "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
  Gary, your statement seems to imply that you believe that  
killing in combat is murder.Is that you belief?||

Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people




..on a personal 
level,themain critiqueparallelsa 'manufactured expedient 
exemption'ppl like Izzyemploy here..E.g., let's see if this doesn't 
draw.50 caliber fire:

How does one become 
a better citizen of the two kingdoms at war (acc to JC, as noted, e.g.,in 
Augustine'sThe City of God)never even reading about 
it, neverbothering to engage such a student/scholarwhile 
continuallyverbally sniping him to death fromsome holy hole 'bout a 
mile and half away?


On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:54:53 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  perhaps..partic 
  while 'combat'contains the operative myth, below; e.g., when rival gangs 
  engage in combative street level sniping, the police investigate 
  the/ir 
  'murder(er)s'; however, ppl like Izzy, contrary to their own 
  law/s,require society to invest itsmoral capital in manufacturing 
  (their) 'murder' anexpedientexemption fortheir particular 
  priorities  purpose/s 
  
  On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:12:08 -0800 "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
  Gary, your statement seems to imply that you believe that killing 
  incombatis murder. 
  Is that you belief?||

RE: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

2005-12-26 Thread ShieldsFamily









Not yet. iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005
7:52 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Real men
kill people







Has he ever killed anyone from a mile and half away?











-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Its great to know there are some
real men in Canada,
in spite of the wimps that run the P.C. government. (In fact, my husband
was born on a US AF base in Newfoundland.
J ) iz















Sniping with the .50 BMG in Afghanistan

New long-distance record set!



(The
following is from the Canadian newspaper National
Post. The shooters were using .50 BMG rifles that had Lilja
barrels on them outfitted with Nightforce 5.5-22x NXS scopes.)

OTTAWA
BLOCKS U.S.
EFFORT TO HONOUR OUR SNIPERS: Canadian snipers pose with their 50-calibre rifle
at base camp in Kandahar. Five of the
men, whose names the military withheld for security reasons, were nominated for
Bronze Stars by the U.S.
for their prowess in fighting near Gardez. The sixth joined the unit later in
the war.

Wait
due to 'Canadian protocol'
A kill from 2,430 metres

By
Michael Smith and Chris Wattie
National Post


The United States
wants to give two teams of Canadian snipers the Bronze Star, a decoration for
bravery, for their work in rooting out Taliban and al-Qaeda holdouts in eastern
Afghanistan,
but Canadian defence officials put the medals on hold, the National Post has
learned.

The
five snipers spent 19 days fighting alongside the scout platoon of the United
States Army's 187th Rakkasan brigade last month, clearing out
diehard fighters from the mountains near Gardez in eastern Afghanistan.

The
Americans were so impressed by the Canadian snipers that they recommended them
for medals after the battle.

Sources
told the Post that U.S. General Warren Edwards had already signed the
recommendation for five Bronze Stars for the sniper teams, drawn from 3rd
Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, last month. Gen.
Edwards, deputy commanding general of coalition land forces in Afghanistan,
had recommended three Canadians for a Bronze Star and two for a Bronze Star
with distinction.
The night before the troops were to be awarded the medals, about three weeks
ago, Canadian military officials in Ottawa
put the decorations on hold, according to a U.S. Army source in Afghanistan.

The
Canadian military told their U.S.
counterparts to wait before awarding the medals for reasons of Canadian
protocol.

Spokesmen
for the Department of National Defence would not comment on the award last
night, but a source within the department said the medals are on hold while the
military decides whether or not to award the men a similar Canadian decoration.

However,
Dr. David Bercuson, director of the Centre of Military and Strategic Studies at
the University of Calgary, said
the real reason for the delay was likely official squeamishness.

Canadians
don't kill -- they don't even use the word kill; that's the problem, he
said. I think the military is not sure that the government is prepared to
accept the fact, let alone celebrate the fact ... that Canadian soldiers do
sometimes end up killing people.

Many
of the U.S.
scouts who worked directly with the Canadian snipers were incensed that the
Canadians did not get the Bronze Star, the medal for bravery the U.S.
military usually gives foreign soldiers serving alongside its troops.

The
snipers themselves, all of whom spoke on condition their names not be printed,
have said they would prefer to receive a medal from their peers in the field
rather than from National Defence Headquarters in Ottawa.

Dr.
Bercuson said there should be no objection to Canadians receiving a U.S.
decoration: As recently as the Gulf War, two Canadian CF-18 pilots were given
the Bronze Star.

He
said the medals would be a badly needed boost to the morale of the almost 900
Canadian soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan,
especially after four of their comrades were killed and eight others wounded in
last week's friendly fire incident.

Absolutely
they should get it, Dr. Bercuson said. It would be good for the
morale of the guys and good for the morale of the whole unit, and they need a
morale boost right now.

Canadian
snipers were reportedly outstanding in the fighting around the mountainous
al-Qaeda bastion east of Gardez, code-named Operation Anaconda.
The battle pitted the two Canadian sniper teams against an enemy that showered
the assaulting coalition troops with mortars and machine-gun fire as soon as
they jumped from their helicopters.

One
member of the team, a corporal from Newfoundland,
said on his first night in combat he and his partner got an al-Qaeda machine
gun in their sights as it was hailing bullets down on U.S.
troops below. Crawling up into a good position, they set up their .50-calibre
rifle -- the McMillan

RE: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

2005-12-26 Thread ShieldsFamily









You and your ilk cant tell the
difference between war heroes and murderers. Your loss. What a pitiful state
of mind. What an empty heart. iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005
12:03 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men
kill people







real women
marry murderers??











On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:51:41 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







Has he ever killed anyone from a mile and half away?











-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Its great to know there are some
real men in Canada,
in spite of the wimps that run the P.C. government. (In fact, my husband
was born on a US AF base in Newfoundland. J ) iz















Sniping with the .50 BMG in Afghanistan

New long-distance record set!



(The
following is from the Canadian newspaper National
Post. The shooters were using .50 BMG rifles that had Lilja
barrels on them outfitted with Nightforce 5.5-22x NXS scopes.)

OTTAWA
BLOCKS U.S.
EFFORT TO HONOUR OUR SNIPERS: Canadian snipers pose with their 50-calibre rifle
at base camp in Kandahar.
Five of the men, whose names the military withheld for security reasons, were
nominated for Bronze Stars by the U.S. for their
prowess in fighting near Gardez. The sixth joined the unit later in the war.

Wait
due to 'Canadian protocol'
A kill from 2,430 metres

By
Michael Smith and Chris Wattie
National Post


The United States
wants to give two teams of Canadian snipers the Bronze Star, a decoration for
bravery, for their work in rooting out Taliban and al-Qaeda holdouts in eastern
Afghanistan,
but Canadian defence officials put the medals on hold, the National Post has
learned.

The
five snipers spent 19 days fighting alongside the scout platoon of the United
States Army's 187th Rakkasan brigade last month, clearing out
diehard fighters from the mountains near Gardez in eastern Afghanistan.

The
Americans were so impressed by the Canadian snipers that they recommended them
for medals after the battle.

Sources
told the Post that U.S. General Warren Edwards had already signed the
recommendation for five Bronze Stars for the sniper teams, drawn from 3rd
Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, last month. Gen.
Edwards, deputy commanding general of coalition land forces in Afghanistan,
had recommended three Canadians for a Bronze Star and two for a Bronze Star
with distinction.
The night before the troops were to be awarded the medals, about three weeks
ago, Canadian military officials in Ottawa
put the decorations on hold, according to a U.S. Army source in Afghanistan.

The
Canadian military told their U.S. counterparts to wait before
awarding the medals for reasons of Canadian protocol.

Spokesmen
for the Department of National Defence would not comment on the award last
night, but a source within the department said the medals are on hold while the
military decides whether or not to award the men a similar Canadian decoration.

However,
Dr. David Bercuson, director of the Centre of Military and Strategic Studies at
the University
 of Calgary,
said the real reason for the delay was likely official squeamishness.

Canadians
don't kill -- they don't even use the word kill; that's the problem, he
said. I think the military is not sure that the government is prepared to
accept the fact, let alone celebrate the fact ... that Canadian soldiers do
sometimes end up killing people.

Many
of the U.S.
scouts who worked directly with the Canadian snipers were incensed that the
Canadians did not get the Bronze Star, the medal for bravery the U.S.
military usually gives foreign soldiers serving alongside its troops.

The
snipers themselves, all of whom spoke on condition their names not be printed,
have said they would prefer to receive a medal from their peers in the field
rather than from National Defence Headquarters in Ottawa.

Dr.
Bercuson said there should be no objection to Canadians receiving a U.S.
decoration: As recently as the Gulf War, two Canadian CF-18 pilots were given
the Bronze Star.

He
said the medals would be a badly needed boost to the morale of the almost 900
Canadian soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan,
especially after four of their comrades were killed and eight others wounded in
last week's friendly fire incident.

Absolutely
they should get it, Dr. Bercuson said. It would be good for the
morale of the guys and good for the morale of the whole unit, and they need a
morale boost right now.

Canadian
snipers were reportedly outstanding in the fighting around the mountainous
al-Qaeda bastion east of Gardez, code-named Operation Anaconda.
The battle pitted the two Canadian sniper teams against an enemy that showered
the assaulting coalition troops with mortars and machine-gun fire as soon as
they jumped from their helicopters.

One
member of the team, a corporal from Newfoundland,
said on his first night

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