[TruthTalk] dogs being Gentiles
Mr Slade Sir: May I point out that things have changed slightly since the Gentiles were adopted into the family? If you will read Gal.3:28-29, you will find that we are no longer classified as Jews or Greeks (Gentiles). We who are in Christ are all one. We are all Abraham's seed; all heirs of the promise. Jews who reject Christ are no longer Abraham's seed. Gentiles who belong to Christ are no longer dogs. Since Abraham was not a Jew, being his seed hardly makes me one. You probably won't be able to grasp this, but thought I would try anyway. It's in the book. It is the truth. Blessings, Terry
[TruthTalk] Why the 10 Commandments were removed...
The Ten Commandments display was removed from the Alabama Supreme Court building. There was a good reason for the move. You can't post "Thou Shalt Not Lie” or “Thou Shalt Not Steal" in a building full of lawyers and politicians without creating a hostile work environment.
Re: [TruthTalk] Ten Commandments Support
That someone would be Slade. Why discuss finer points when someone doesn't understand basic doctrine? shalom slade e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Judith H. Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 25 September, 2003 12:32 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ten Commandments Support Someone wrote: Read Matthew 15:21-28. Ask yourself: who are the dogs? If you answer GENTILES, you are correct. Now read Revelation 22:14-15. Ask yourself: who are the dogs? If you answer GENTILES, you are correct. Judy: Dogs are people who are outside the covenant. Today the covenant is with Jesus and all of us enter in by faith; today the word 'dog' does not necessarily mean 'gentile' only. Grace and Peace Judy
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Good thought. Thanks. shalom slade e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, 24 September, 2003 19:56 Subject: RE: Reason for "Re: [TruthTalk] PROBABLE SPAM" in subject Slade, you should have some method by which you can inform your ISP that email from TruthTalk should be allowed through their spam filter. It is very easy for anti-spam software to suspect TruthTalk email as being possible spam because it is sent out to multiple recipients in such as way that the software knows from its header that it is coming from a list server. However, because our list server has not been flagged as spam, it injects the "probable spam" message with the hope that you will inform it of whether you want mail from this source accepted or blocked. Talk to your ISP and see what he says. Maybe they have a webpage setup where all you have to do is enter the sender email address as being allowed and their spam filter will stop modifying the subject line. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Reason for "Re: [TruthTalk] PROBABLE SPAM" in subject Yes. The owner of my ISP does that if certain parameters are met. I drives me crazy because I usually remember to edit the SUBJECT, but sometimes I forget. I will answer Izzy and Bruce when I return from work this afternoon. shalom slade e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] dogs being Gentiles
- Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 26 September, 2003 08:01Subject: [TruthTalk] dogs being GentilesMr Slade Sir:May I point out that things have changed slightly since the Gentiles were adopted into the family? I am always open to constructive criticism and correction. If you will read Gal.3:28-29, you will find that we are no longer classified as Jews or Greeks (Gentiles). We who are in Christ are all one. We are all Abraham's seed; all heirs of the promise. Jews who reject Christ are no longer Abraham's seed. Gentiles who belong to Christ are no longer dogs. I agree. That is exactly what I said. Since Abraham was not a Jew, being his seed hardly makes me one. Can I suggest you QUIT confusing terms? I never said you were a Jew. Look back and see. I merely said you were grafted into ISRAEL. You probably won't be able to grasp this, but thought I would try anyway. It's in the book. It is the truth. I guess this is where I can thank you for your non-constructive criticism and correction. It's always nice to have you insult and degrade. You have taken lessons from TruthTalk personnel to heart. Blessings, Terry Thank you. Slade
Re: [TruthTalk] Ten Commandments Support
You are right, I don't understand your 'basic doctrine' Mr. Slade but it makes no difference. Dogs are still people who are outside the covenant then and now and there is no Jew/ Gentile in Christ - because He has broken down the wall of partition. That is, unless you have 'another Jesus' Judy "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: That someone would be Slade. Why discuss finer points when someone doesn't understand basic doctrine? shalom slade e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Judith H. Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 25 September, 2003 12:32 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ten Commandments Support Someone wrote: Read Matthew 15:21-28. Ask yourself: who are the dogs? If you answer GENTILES, you are correct. Now read Revelation 22:14-15. Ask yourself: who are the dogs? If you answer GENTILES, you are correct. Judy: Dogs are people who are outside the covenant. Today the covenant is with Jesus and all of us enter in by faith; today the word 'dog' does not necessarily mean 'gentile' only. Grace and Peace Judy
Re: [TruthTalk] Ten Commandments Support
Hi Slade, You wrote:"Read Matthew 15:21-28. Ask yourself: who are the dogs? If you answer GENTILES, you are correct. Now read Revelation 22:14-15. Ask yourself: who are the dogs? If you answer GENTILES, you are correct." I do not disgaree with you to be disagreeable, but I must disagree with you on both counts! In Matthew 15 the Lord Jesus was NOT saying that "the children" were Israelites and the "dogs" were Gentiles! Neither does Rev.22 teach that no Gentiles will enter through the gates into the great city, the holy Jerusalem!! In fact many Isrealites after the flesh will be without and many Gentiles will be within the holy city! The whole point of the Lord Jesus' conversation with the Canaanite woman was to determine whether or not she had faith. He concluded that indeed she had "great faith"! Both dogs and swine (Matt.7:6) are unclean animals. When the terms are applied to people, they designate those who are unlean, i.e. have not been sanctified. Hebrews 6:11 declares that without faith it is impossible to please God. So both of your Matt.15 and Rev.22 passages are clearly distinguishing between believers and unbelievers NOT between Israelites and Gentiles!!! See parallel passages to Rev.22:14 and 15 in Rev.21:8 and Rev.21:24-27 (note that the word for "nations" in 21:24 and 26 is the very same Greek word as "Gentiles"!) When I wrote:"Do you believe that all Gentile believers should keep the "Ten Commandments" which were given specificly to the nation of Israel? Ex.20"... You responded:"The term "Gentile Believer" is an oxymoron. They do not exist." Brother, as I understand scripture, it does not support the idea that Gentiles cease to be Gentiles when they get saved. Rather it clearly teaches that those who were Gentiles before conversion remain Gentiles after conversion. See the following scriptural statements: Acts 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto ***the brethren which are of the Gentiles*** in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: Acts 21:25 As touching ***the Gentiles which believe***, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. To the brethren at Rome who were Gentiles, Paul wrote in Romans 1:13 Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) ***that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.*** Romans 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only?*** is he not also of the Gentiles ? Yes, of the Gentiles also:*** Romans 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, ***not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles ***? Romans 9:30 What shall we say then?*** That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.*** Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall ***salvation is come unto the Gentiles,*** for to provoke them to jealousy. Romans 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them ***the riches of the Gentiles***; how much more their fulness? Romans 11:13 *** For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles , I magnify mine office***: Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, ***until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.*** Romans 15:9 And ***that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy***; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles , and sing unto thy name. Romans 15:10 And again he saith, ***Rejoice, ye Gentiles***, with his people. Romans 15:11 And again, ***Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.*** Romans 15:12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles ;*** in him shall the Gentiles trust.*** Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, ***that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.*** Romans 15:27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. ***For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.*** Romans 16:4 Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also ***all the churches of the Gentiles.*** Galatians 2:12 For before that certain came from James, ***he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.*** Galatians 2:14 But when I sa
Re: [TruthTalk] dogs being Gentiles
Let me see if I have got this right. You refer to Gentiles (I am one of many) as dogs, but you are the one who has been insulted. I do not quite understand your reasoning, but please don't bother to explain. I can live with it. Terry - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] dogs being Gentiles - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 26 September, 2003 08:01Subject: [TruthTalk] dogs being GentilesMr Slade Sir:May I point out that things have changed slightly since the Gentiles were adopted into the family? I am always open to constructive criticism and correction. If you will read Gal.3:28-29, you will find that we are no longer classified as Jews or Greeks (Gentiles). We who are in Christ are all one. We are all Abraham's seed; all heirs of the promise. Jews who reject Christ are no longer Abraham's seed. Gentiles who belong to Christ are no longer dogs. I agree. That is exactly what I said. Since Abraham was not a Jew, being his seed hardly makes me one. Can I suggest you QUIT confusing terms? I never said you were a Jew. Look back and see. I merely said you were grafted into ISRAEL. You probably won't be able to grasp this, but thought I would try anyway. It's in the book. It is the truth. I guess this is where I can thank you for your non-constructive criticism and correction. It's always nice to have you insult and degrade. You have taken lessons from TruthTalk personnel to heart. Blessings, Terry Thank you. Slade
Re: [TruthTalk] dogs being Gentiles
If you are a believer in Messiah, you are in the Kingdom. How can that be insulting unless you are NOT a believer in Messiah? shalom slade e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 26 September, 2003 21:09 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] dogs being Gentiles Let me see if I have got this right. You refer to Gentiles (I am one of many) as dogs, but you are the one who has been insulted. I do not quite understand your reasoning, but please don't bother to explain. I can live with it. Terry - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] dogs being Gentiles - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 26 September, 2003 08:01Subject: [TruthTalk] dogs being GentilesMr Slade Sir:May I point out that things have changed slightly since the Gentiles were adopted into the family? I am always open to constructive criticism and correction. If you will read Gal.3:28-29, you will find that we are no longer classified as Jews or Greeks (Gentiles). We who are in Christ are all one. We are all Abraham's seed; all heirs of the promise. Jews who reject Christ are no longer Abraham's seed. Gentiles who belong to Christ are no longer dogs. I agree. That is exactly what I said. Since Abraham was not a Jew, being his seed hardly makes me one. Can I suggest you QUIT confusing terms? I never said you were a Jew. Look back and see. I merely said you were grafted into ISRAEL. You probably won't be able to grasp this, but thought I would try anyway. It's in the book. It is the truth. I guess this is where I can thank you for your non-constructive criticism and correction. It's always nice to have you insult and degrade. You have taken lessons from TruthTalk personnel to heart. Blessings, Terry Thank you. Slade
Re: [TruthTalk] Ten Commandments Support
That has been my whole point... Mrs. Judy. As far as "another Jesus..." I don't know how to answer that one. One can never tell right off the bat if your "Jesus" is that same as someone else's. In time, we will know them by their fruit. Have a restful Shabbat and Yom Teruah shalom slade e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Judith H. Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 26 September, 2003 19:19 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ten Commandments Support You are right, I don't understand your 'basic doctrine' Mr. Slade but it makes no difference. Dogs are still people who are outside the covenant then and now and there is no Jew/ Gentile in Christ - because He has broken down the wall of partition. That is, unless you have 'another Jesus' Judy "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: That someone would be Slade. Why discuss finer points when someone doesn't understand basic doctrine? shalom slade e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Judith H. Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 25 September, 2003 12:32 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ten Commandments Support Someone wrote: Read Matthew 15:21-28. Ask yourself: who are the dogs? If you answer GENTILES, you are correct. Now read Revelation 22:14-15. Ask yourself: who are the dogs? If you answer GENTILES, you are correct. Judy: Dogs are people who are outside the covenant. Today the covenant is with Jesus and all of us enter in by faith; today the word 'dog' does not necessarily mean 'gentile' only. Grace and Peace Judy
Re: [TruthTalk] Ten Commandments Support
I have merely attempted to reconcile the verses you quoted and the concept of "There is neither Jew nor Gentile... male nor female..." shalom slade e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Bruce Woodford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, 26 September, 2003 19:45 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ten Commandments Support > Hi Slade, > You wrote:"Read Matthew 15:21-28. Ask yourself: who are the dogs? If you > answer GENTILES, you are correct. Now read Revelation 22:14-15. Ask > yourself: who are the dogs? If you answer GENTILES, you are correct." > > I do not disgaree with you to be disagreeable, but I must disagree with you > on both counts! In Matthew 15 the Lord Jesus was NOT saying that "the > children" were Israelites and the "dogs" were Gentiles! Neither does Rev.22 > teach that no Gentiles will enter through the gates into the great city, the > holy Jerusalem!! In fact many Isrealites after the flesh will be without > and many Gentiles will be within the holy city! > > The whole point of the Lord Jesus' conversation with the Canaanite woman was > to determine whether or not she had faith. He concluded that indeed she had > "great faith"! Both dogs and swine (Matt.7:6) are unclean animals. When the > terms are applied to people, they designate those who are unlean, i.e. have > not been sanctified. Hebrews 6:11 declares that without faith it is > impossible to please God. So both of your Matt.15 and Rev.22 passages are > clearly distinguishing between believers and unbelievers NOT between > Israelites and Gentiles!!! See parallel passages to Rev.22:14 and 15 in > Rev.21:8 and Rev.21:24-27 (note that the word for "nations" in 21:24 and 26 > is the very same Greek word as "Gentiles"!) > > When I wrote:"Do you believe that all Gentile believers should keep the "Ten > Commandments" which were given specificly to the nation of Israel? Ex.20"... > You responded:"The term "Gentile Believer" is an oxymoron. They do not > exist." > > Brother, as I understand scripture, it does not support the idea that > Gentiles cease to be Gentiles when they get saved. Rather it clearly teaches > that those who were Gentiles before conversion remain Gentiles after > conversion. See the following scriptural statements: > Acts 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles > and elders and brethren send greeting unto ***the brethren which are of the > Gentiles*** in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: > Acts 21:25 As touching ***the Gentiles which believe***, we have written > and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep > themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, > and from fornication. > To the brethren at Rome who were Gentiles, Paul wrote in Romans 1:13 Now I > would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come > unto you, (but was let hitherto,) ***that I might have some fruit among you > also, even as among other Gentiles.*** > Romans 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only?*** is he not also of the > Gentiles ? Yes, of the Gentiles also:*** > Romans 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, ***not of the Jews only, but also > of the Gentiles ***? > Romans 9:30 What shall we say then?*** That the Gentiles, which followed > not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the > righteousness which is of faith.*** > Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God > forbid: but rather through their fall ***salvation is come unto the > Gentiles,*** for to provoke them to jealousy. > Romans 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the > diminishing of them ***the riches of the Gentiles***; how much more their > fulness? > Romans 11:13 *** For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle > of the Gentiles , I magnify mine office***: > Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this > mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part > is happened to Israel, ***until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.*** > Romans 15:9 And ***that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy***; > as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles , > and sing unto thy name. > Romans 15:10 And again he saith, ***Rejoice, ye Gentiles***, with his > people. > Romans 15:11 And again, ***Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, > all ye people.*** > Romans 15:12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and > he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles ;*** in him shall the Gentiles > trust.*** > Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, > ministering the gospel of God, ***that the offering up of the Gentiles > might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.*** > Romans 15:27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. > ***For if the Gentiles have
