[TurboGears] Re: ez_setup?? Easy my @ss!
Karl Guertin wrote: I've had to do this. The difficult part is installing setuptools. I don't know if it is commonly known or not, so I'll mention it, but setuptools can be downloaded and installed like a regular (old style) python package (python setup.py install), just grab the zip file from http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi/setuptools. This is what I do for offline installs and it works fine. I see it as the one non-setuptools install to do and then it's easy_install -f . for the rest of the packages. Anyway, hope this helps. Krys --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TurboGears group. To post to this group, send email to turbogears@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TurboGears] Re: ez_setup?? Easy my @ss!
Em Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:56:08 -0400 Kevin Dangoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: On Aug 26, 2006, at 1:57 AM, isaac wrote: The point is, we need something like that for TG (perhaps call it Flywheel or Axle?). Reducing barriers for new people to get started (and making it easier on the experts) is a good thing. It wouldn't make sense to do before TG 1.0 is ready, but I bet it wouldn't be hard to slap together something like that, even including a Universal binary of Python and all the other necessary packages. I should note that while I speak out strongly in favor of setuptools/ eggs, I am also in favor of other packaging efforts. I want to make things easier for those packaging for linux distros (and the svn repository has changed around a bit to help that). I'd love to see complete installers for windows and mac. In cases like this, distributions packaging does make a difference, indeed, since most of the distributions have solved problems like this (installing offline) numerous times, and are already quite mature. Debian has loads of nice, well-architectured ways of doing so, for instance. BTW, the tarball for 0.9a9 is really good for me as a package maintainer now, thanks for having taken our comments into account! The only thing I missed were the docs, which I then grabbed from 0.9a8's one. In other news, TG 0.9a9 is in experimental, and since SQLAlchemy support is good, it may be going to unstable soonish (after some testing in experimental), using SQLAlchemy by default, at least untill SQLObject gets a real release for 0.7.1 out of the door, which could be a candidate for Etch's release. See you, -- Gustavo Noronha Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://people.debian.org/~kov/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TurboGears group. To post to this group, send email to turbogears@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TurboGears] Re: ez_setup?? Easy my @ss!
On Aug 26, 2006, at 1:57 AM, isaac wrote: The point is, we need something like that for TG (perhaps call it Flywheel or Axle?). Reducing barriers for new people to get started (and making it easier on the experts) is a good thing. It wouldn't make sense to do before TG 1.0 is ready, but I bet it wouldn't be hard to slap together something like that, even including a Universal binary of Python and all the other necessary packages. I should note that while I speak out strongly in favor of setuptools/ eggs, I am also in favor of other packaging efforts. I want to make things easier for those packaging for linux distros (and the svn repository has changed around a bit to help that). I'd love to see complete installers for windows and mac. I'd love to see a super simple frontend for easy_install. Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TurboGears group. To post to this group, send email to turbogears@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TurboGears] Re: ez_setup?? Easy my @ss!
Karl Guertin wrote:
To fetch the actual turbogears eggs you need setuptools (easy_install)
installed on an internet-connected computer. The magic command line
is:
easy_install -zmaxd /temp/folder/for/turbogears/eggsfiles/ \
-f http://www.turbogears.org/preview/download/index.html TurboGears
Thankyou very much! That -zmaxd magic is something I'd searched for
but not found.
Unfortunately, it doesn't currently work, since:
error: Could not find suitable distribution for
Requirement.parse('RuleDispatch==0.5a0') (--always-copy skips system and
development eggs)
and RuleDispatch is only available as a development egg at the moment.
I don't suppose anyone has a workaround other than 'hack setuptools' ?
Max.
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[TurboGears] Re: ez_setup?? Easy my @ss!
Bob, I have had my issues with setup tools myself either due to firewalls and having to do installations on computers that are not connected over the Internet. I normally just download the egg files into a directory and move them to the computer which I want to install them. I also add a file that I call eggServer.py and have easy_install grab them from the server that is created from eggServer.py. A simple version of eggServer.py would be import SimpleHTTPServer import SocketServer port = 80 handler = SimpleHTTPServer.SimpleHTTPRequestHandler httpd = SocketServer.TCPServer((, port), handler) httpd.serve_forever() I would provide the full version of the code but I don't have a copy of it right now. The code above is just off the top of my head right now but should work. To get the setup tools install also include it's egg in the directory and modify DEFAULT_URL in ez_setup.py to look at the eggServer. --- Kevin and other TurboGears Developers, It would be nice if an install package could be made that included all the eggs and a script similar to the one I described above was included to make installing TurboGears easier for those who have issues with setup tools. I use setup tools all the time and when you are not behind a restrictive firewall it works great but otherwise it can be a big pain in the ass (especially getting setup tools to install in the first place). John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TurboGears group. To post to this group, send email to turbogears@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TurboGears] Re: ez_setup?? Easy my @ss!
Bob, Would it be possible to download the needed files to a place accessible to this target machine. Then you may be able to follow the tip (using a directory as source of eggs) at: http://www.turbogears.org/preview/download/install.html#nolinks hth, /venkat --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TurboGears group. To post to this group, send email to turbogears@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TurboGears] Re: ez_setup?? Easy my @ss!
On 8/24/06, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please watch your mouth, jsut because you don't undestand something it doesn't means it's broken ez_setup IS AN ONLINE TOOL to get setuptools going. setuptools itself is NOT design to run offline All I want to do is install TurboGears. The server I want to install it on have ABSOLUTLY NO ACCESS to the internet. This is completely out of my hands and in non-negotiable!!! then get a real server Why is this so hard!! I realise I have only been using Linux for the past three years, BUT WTF I specified a directory so that it WOULD NOT use a URL!! on the contrary it's quite easy. Okay temper tanterum over now, just needed to release! Now, how do I fix this and return to normal sanity! ok first thing first, you need to do an offline install of setuptools http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/EasyInstall#installing-easy-install then get TG, you can either do this http://trac.turbogears.org/turbogears/ticket/519 or download all the packages put them in the same dir and tell easy_install to get the files from . (dot as in CWD) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TurboGears group. To post to this group, send email to turbogears@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TurboGears] Re: ez_setup?? Easy my @ss!
On 8/24/06, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I need ez_setup.py to install easy_install. - Fair Enough. But in order for ez_setup.py to run I need setuptools for Python. - Getting stupid now And to install setuptools, I need to run ez_setup!! - What kind of perverse circular logic is this sh!t!! All I want to do is install TurboGears. The server I want to install it on have ABSOLUTLY NO ACCESS to the internet. This is completely out of my hands and in non-negotiable!!! I've had to do this. The difficult part is installing setuptools. To fetch the actual turbogears eggs you need setuptools (easy_install) installed on an internet-connected computer. The magic command line is: easy_install -zmaxd /temp/folder/for/turbogears/eggsfiles/ \ -f http://www.turbogears.org/preview/download/index.html TurboGears You then transfer the eggsfiles folder to your disconnected machine, manually edit the ez_setup.py file and set the DEFAULT_URL to file:///disconnected/path/to/eggsfiles. If that doesn't work, you'll have to do what I used to do (before there was a DEFAULT_URL option) and hack the main method to grab your existing setuptools egg rather than trying to download it (as an aside if PJE reads this, please have the main method check the current directory for the appropriate egg before creating the temp dir and trying to download). Now that you have easy_install installed ;] you can install TG by doing: easy_install -f /disconnected/path/to/eggsfiles TurboGears This should work, I've done it several times but the last time I tried was around March, so hopefully I remembered everything correctly. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TurboGears group. To post to this group, send email to turbogears@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TurboGears] Re: ez_setup?? Easy my @ss!
On 8/24/06, Karl Guertin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (as an aside if PJE reads this, please have the main method check the current directory for the appropriate egg before creating the temp dir and trying to download). Responding to my own message, it looks like PJE has done just this. Hoorah! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TurboGears group. To post to this group, send email to turbogears@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TurboGears] Re: ez_setup?? Easy my @ss!
Just to add to the knowledge pool of easy_installed packages ;-) This isn't related to the OP's problem, but is worth mentioning. Something I've encountered a few times now is easy_install.pth will occasionally get wiped out by an errant setup.py. The quick fix is to simply cd /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages; ls -d1 *.egg easy_install.pth then edit out any older duplicate eggs that might be in there. The second problem I've found is that older, pre-egg installs of packages will occasionally get imported rather than the eggs. Just rm -rf the offending package. Both problems are trivial and easy to fix, but the errors they cause can be quite confusing. Regards, Cliff On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 08:32 -0700, Bob wrote: I have been fighting with this for days! -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TurboGears group. To post to this group, send email to turbogears@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TurboGears] Re: ez_setup?? Easy my @ss!
On 8/24/06, John J Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Cliff Wells wrote: Something I've encountered a few times now is easy_install.pth will occasionally get wiped out by an errant setup.py. The quick fix is to [...] Which projects do that (wipe easy_install.pth)? Pardon me for jumping in, but I just had Pylons do that to me this week. The easiest fix for me was just easy_install-ing each package again. Since I already had the packages installed, it didn't have to download or install anything, but it did fix up the path. -- Tim Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TurboGears group. To post to this group, send email to turbogears@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TurboGears] Re: ez_setup?? Easy my @ss!
On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 20:42 +, John J Lee wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Cliff Wells wrote: Something I've encountered a few times now is easy_install.pth will occasionally get wiped out by an errant setup.py. The quick fix is to [...] Which projects do that (wipe easy_install.pth)? The most recent one was Cheetah, of all things. It causing the easy_install of TurboGears (from SVN) to fail, so I downloaded the tarball and ran python setup.py install by hand and it worked. Alas, a few minutes later I discovered that the reference to the Cheetah egg was the only line in easy_install.pth (which previously had at least 50 entries). Now, in all fairness, it may not have been Cheetah that did it. The failed easy_install of TG may have somehow blanked the file and then Cheetah was simply added to the blank file (and that seems a plausible scenario). Cheetah just happens to be the package that the issue revolved around the last time it happened. This has happened maybe three times in the last month or so (unfortunately I don't recall specifics surrounding the other times). Next time it happens I'll take some notes. Cliff -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TurboGears group. To post to this group, send email to turbogears@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TurboGears] Re: ez_setup?? Easy my @ss!
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Cliff Wells wrote: Something I've encountered a few times now is easy_install.pth will occasionally get wiped out by an errant setup.py. The quick fix is to [...] Which projects do that (wipe easy_install.pth)? John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TurboGears group. To post to this group, send email to turbogears@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
