Re: [TV orNotTV] Am I the only one who found this strange?

2018-10-25 Thread Jim Ellwanger



> On Oct 25, 2018, at 10:21 PM, Steve Timko  wrote:
> 
> Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen was interviewed by FOX News 
> blond Martha MacCallum and they both had similar sun glasses. I dunno. It 
> looked odd.
> What do you think?

I think they've both been getting email spam advertising Chinese counterfeit 
Ray-Ban aviators!

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

2018-10-25 Thread PGage
She may be replacing Sarah H Sanders by Easter...

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:26 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> I could see her hosting Inside Edition or that sort of TMZ/tabloid type of
> show.
>
> “Racist fired for being racist” is a ridiculous headline, but sadly it is
> no longer career-ending
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:41 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> She burned her bridges at FOX News. I don't see ABC, CBS or CNN touching
>> her. Maybe she's the new Deborah Norville, destined to roam the purgatory
>> that is syndication?
>>
>> Not sent from an iPhone
>> On Oct 25, 2018, at 11:57 AM, M-D November  wrote:
>>>
>>> And she...is...outta here...
>>> https://apple.news/AgLseWXMoSISZcSGUKlTKag (Page 6 via Vanity Fair)
>>>
>>> Update (Oct. 25, 12:52 p.m.): Megyn Kelly Today is done, according to Page 
>>> Six. According to the Daily Mail, the network will have to pay out the rest 
>>> of Kelly’s reported $69 million contract. Her rate was $20 million a year 
>>> when she started in 2017. The Hollywood Reporter, meanwhile, says that 
>>> Kelly’s lawyer is set to meet with NBC execs as soon as Friday to discuss 
>>> her future at the network. Representatives for NBC have not yet responded 
>>> to Vanity Fair’s request for comment.
>>>
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[TV orNotTV] TV news would have to "airbrush" and bleep...

2018-10-25 Thread 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV

...the NSFW words painted large on this former clothes factory within 
shouting distance of my family's house... the local paper didn't 
... ('toob)

B

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Re: [TV orNotTV] New "Trek" toon headed to All Access

2018-10-25 Thread Jim Ellwanger



> On Oct 25, 2018, at 4:28 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 'Cuz it might be too hot even for cable?

No, ‘cuz CBS has figured out that “Star Trek” content helps sell CBS All Access.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] New "Trek" toon headed to All Access

2018-10-25 Thread Kevin M.
So another animated Red Dwarf clone

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:28 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> 'Cuz it might be too hot even for cable? It's from a writer of "Rick and
> Morty."
>
> Vulture
> 
> (link)
>
> B
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[TV orNotTV] New "Trek" toon headed to All Access

2018-10-25 Thread 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV

'Cuz it might be too hot even for cable? It's from a writer of "Rick and 
Morty."

Vulture 

 
(link)

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Re: [TV orNotTV] CNN breaking news... at its own building

2018-10-25 Thread Kevin M.
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 5:05 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> Lou Dobbs calls it fake news.
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/25/media/lou-dobbs-fake-bombs/index.html
>

If he has evidence, he should present it. Otherwise, as happened to Dan
Rather when he reported a false story, Dobbs must be removed from the air
for perpetuating his own false news report.


> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:46 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Doug Fields, to moi, Wednesday (24):
>>>
>>> Ah.  Just noticed "at its own building" in the Subject line, and
>>> realized my mistake.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gotcha.  Sorry about that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Doug Fields
>>>
>>> Tampa, FL
>>>
>>>
>> Home for them will always be Atlanta.  B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] CNN breaking news... at its own building

2018-10-25 Thread Steve Timko
Lou Dobbs calls it fake news.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/25/media/lou-dobbs-fake-bombs/index.html

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:46 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> Doug Fields, to moi, Wednesday (24):
>>
>> Ah.  Just noticed "at its own building" in the Subject line, and realized
>> my mistake.
>>
>>
>> Gotcha.  Sorry about that.
>>
>>
>> Doug Fields
>>
>> Tampa, FL
>>
>>
> Home for them will always be Atlanta.  B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] CNN breaking news... at its own building

2018-10-25 Thread 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV

Doug Fields, to moi, Wednesday (24):
>
> Ah.  Just noticed "at its own building" in the Subject line, and realized 
> my mistake.
>
>
> Gotcha.  Sorry about that.
>
>
> Doug Fields
>
> Tampa, FL
>
>
Home for them will always be Atlanta.  B

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

2018-10-25 Thread Kevin M.
I could see her hosting Inside Edition or that sort of TMZ/tabloid type of
show.

“Racist fired for being racist” is a ridiculous headline, but sadly it is
no longer career-ending

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:41 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> She burned her bridges at FOX News. I don't see ABC, CBS or CNN touching
> her. Maybe she's the new Deborah Norville, destined to roam the purgatory
> that is syndication?
>
> Not sent from an iPhone
> On Oct 25, 2018, at 11:57 AM, M-D November  wrote:
>>
>> And she...is...outta here...
>> https://apple.news/AgLseWXMoSISZcSGUKlTKag (Page 6 via Vanity Fair)
>>
>> Update (Oct. 25, 12:52 p.m.): Megyn Kelly Today is done, according to Page 
>> Six. According to the Daily Mail, the network will have to pay out the rest 
>> of Kelly’s reported $69 million contract. Her rate was $20 million a year 
>> when she started in 2017. The Hollywood Reporter, meanwhile, says that 
>> Kelly’s lawyer is set to meet with NBC execs as soon as Friday to discuss 
>> her future at the network. Representatives for NBC have not yet responded to 
>> Vanity Fair’s request for comment.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

2018-10-25 Thread Steve Timko
She burned her bridges at FOX News. I don't see ABC, CBS or CNN touching her. 
Maybe she's the new Deborah Norville, destined to roam the purgatory that is 
syndication?

⁣Not sent from an iPhone​

On Oct 25, 2018, 11:57 AM, at 11:57 AM, M-D November  
wrote:
>And she...is...outta here...
>https://apple.news/AgLseWXMoSISZcSGUKlTKag (Page 6 via Vanity Fair)
>
>Update (Oct. 25, 12:52 p.m.): Megyn Kelly Today is done, according to
>Page Six. According to the Daily Mail, the network will have to pay out
>the rest of Kelly’s reported $69 million contract. Her rate was $20
>million a year when she started in 2017. The Hollywood Reporter,
>meanwhile, says that Kelly’s lawyer is set to meet with NBC execs as
>soon as Friday to discuss her future at the network. Representatives
>for NBC have not yet responded to Vanity Fair’s request for comment.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

2018-10-25 Thread M-D November
And she...is...outta here...
https://apple.news/AgLseWXMoSISZcSGUKlTKag (Page 6 via Vanity Fair)

Update (Oct. 25, 12:52 p.m.): Megyn Kelly Today is done, according to Page Six. 
According to the Daily Mail, the network will have to pay out the rest of 
Kelly’s reported $69 million contract. Her rate was $20 million a year when she 
started in 2017. The Hollywood Reporter, meanwhile, says that Kelly’s lawyer is 
set to meet with NBC execs as soon as Friday to discuss her future at the 
network. Representatives for NBC have not yet responded to Vanity Fair’s 
request for comment.

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[TV orNotTV] Re: "Around the Horn" to get more tech-y

2018-10-25 Thread 'Greg Diener' via TVorNotTV
To paraphrase John Oliver, how is this show still a thing?

Greg

On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 10:57:46 AM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
>
>
> With its move to the Seaport (the show's brain trust remains in 
> Wa[r]shington)... new music too.
>
> Pee-arr from the Bunch 
> 
>  
> (link)
>
> B
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

2018-10-25 Thread Tom Wolper
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 10:25 AM PGage  wrote:

> I don’t think for a minute NBC News is fully woke to evils of blackface.
> Obviously they have been looking for a way out of the MG business. Look for
> her to claim this is retribution for her going after the Matt Lauer story.
>
> Honestly, before this story broke into my twitter feed I had forgotten she
> was still on the air.
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/25/media/megyn-kelly-nbc/index.html
>

I think the controversy is just a convenient excuse to get rid of her
because of her poor ratings although I don't know what kind of feedback NBC
News execs are getting from employees. Trying to look at a bigger picture
we learn two things: bringing Megyn Kelly from Fox News was supposed to be
a way to bring FNC viewers to the Today Show. They never came so their
loyalty is to the channel, not the stars. And people from Fox News have
become toxic to the rest of the media. It's no surprise to see a senior
correspondent from CBS News move over to CNN. That is not going to happen
to Fox News people - they are stuck there.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

2018-10-25 Thread PGage
I don’t think for a minute NBC News is fully woke to evils of blackface.
Obviously they have been looking for a way out of the MG business. Look for
her to claim this is retribution for her going after the Matt Lauer story.

Honestly, before this story broke into my twitter feed I had forgotten she
was still on the air.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/25/media/megyn-kelly-nbc/index.html

New York (CNN Business)"Megyn Kelly Today" is not over yet. But it's a
matter of when, not if.
Kelly's exit from the 9 a.m. hour of the "Today" show appears to be
imminent, according to sources with knowledge of the matter.
Kelly will not be hosting her program on Thursday, and she is unlikely to
return later, one of the sources said. Friday episodes of her show are
usually pre-taped.
"Given the circumstances, Megyn Kelly Today will be on tape the rest of the
week," an NBC News spokeswoman said Thursday morning.
Another source said that Kelly's show will be ending
,
but negotiations about the end date and other details are still underway.
One key question: Whether she will stay with NBC News in some other role.
She is scheduled to participate in the network's midterm election night
coverage in two weeks.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:09 AM PGage  wrote:

> As I wrote, some things are a matter of opinion. I think the term
> “politically correct” is imprecise and loaded and unhelpful, but people do
> vary in their sensitivity to offense, and some are so sensitive they cause
> a burden for others. This is not that.
>
> Blackface is objectively racist. The racism is not imputed by the
> observer, it does not depend on the act of perception. Al Jolson singing
> Mammy is a racist image. People do not impute offense to it; it is, in
> itself, offensive. Now context and relationship can make offensive acts
> tools of resistance, or excusable ignorance. But nothing changes the
> inherent racism.
>
> If a really old German said something like: “Boy it’s hard to keep up with
> what is and is not OK. When I was a kid back in the early 1930s we used
> Swastikas to decorate kid’s birthday parties, and now it is politicallly
> incorrect to just fly a Swastika flag in your front yard” everyone would,
> appropriately, call bullshit on that. What Kelly said is exactly like that.
> I am sure lots of people remember when they could dress in blackface
> without condemnation, or use the word nigger in polite conversation. The
> appropriate observation about that is not “gee, people have become so
> sensitive these days” but more like “gee, I guess we were really fucking
> racist in those days.”
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:21 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure when you mean "honestly say it was not racist." In my case,
>> we did a school play when I was in fourth or fifth grade, maybe third (I
>> was in the east wing of the school at the time) and it included a survey of
>> entertainment. There was the obligatory reference to Al Jolson so they put
>> a kid in black face and had him sing a few Al Jolson lines. To be honest,.
>> I'm not sure we understood that we were caricaturing black people. My town
>> had one black couple. The woman worked in the post office and part time in
>> the high school library in a near by town. When I got to high school I
>> actually had a black classmate. I won't speak for either of them but I
>> never saw overtly racial remarks towards them., I'm sure they were made.
>> But everyone was pretty mellow.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:00 PM Kevin M. 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I grew up around racists... no black face... not ever.
>>>
>>> I’ve stated over on my own social media that, growing up in my
>>> neighborhood in Pomona, one could not be racist and have friends. My group
>>> of friends never thought much about it. When our respective moms told us to
>>> “go outside and play,” we played with whichever kids were in the street. My
>>> oldest brother was the only white guy on his high school football team. It
>>> wasn’t weird to us; it was normal and no big deal. Nobody I knew would have
>>> worn black face either as a gag or to be offensive.
>>>
>>> When I went to high school in Corona, I attached myself to the group of
>>> kids who hung around what was called the “scholar bench,” and they were
>>> even more diverse (I brought down the grade curve significantly, yet they
>>> remain my closest friends to this day). Again, black face would not have
>>> been contemplated.
>>>
>>> College up in the state of Washington, most of the campus was white.
>>> That’s how much of Western Washington was at the time. But even surrounded
>>> my mostly white folks, no black face.
>>>
>>> I wrote this not as some sort of humblegrag; my story is not unique. If
>>> you are any age and remember with any degree of nostalgia the racist
>>> behavior of the people you knew when you were younger, you need help.
>>> Racism certainly existed all around me growing up, 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

2018-10-25 Thread PGage
As I wrote, some things are a matter of opinion. I think the term
“politically correct” is imprecise and loaded and unhelpful, but people do
vary in their sensitivity to offense, and some are so sensitive they cause
a burden for others. This is not that.

Blackface is objectively racist. The racism is not imputed by the observer,
it does not depend on the act of perception. Al Jolson singing Mammy is a
racist image. People do not impute offense to it; it is, in itself,
offensive. Now context and relationship can make offensive acts tools of
resistance, or excusable ignorance. But nothing changes the inherent racism.

If a really old German said something like: “Boy it’s hard to keep up with
what is and is not OK. When I was a kid back in the early 1930s we used
Swastikas to decorate kid’s birthday parties, and now it is politicallly
incorrect to just fly a Swastika flag in your front yard” everyone would,
appropriately, call bullshit on that. What Kelly said is exactly like that.
I am sure lots of people remember when they could dress in blackface
without condemnation, or use the word nigger in polite conversation. The
appropriate observation about that is not “gee, people have become so
sensitive these days” but more like “gee, I guess we were really fucking
racist in those days.”

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:21 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> I'm not sure when you mean "honestly say it was not racist." In my case,
> we did a school play when I was in fourth or fifth grade, maybe third (I
> was in the east wing of the school at the time) and it included a survey of
> entertainment. There was the obligatory reference to Al Jolson so they put
> a kid in black face and had him sing a few Al Jolson lines. To be honest,.
> I'm not sure we understood that we were caricaturing black people. My town
> had one black couple. The woman worked in the post office and part time in
> the high school library in a near by town. When I got to high school I
> actually had a black classmate. I won't speak for either of them but I
> never saw overtly racial remarks towards them., I'm sure they were made.
> But everyone was pretty mellow.
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:00 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> I grew up around racists... no black face... not ever.
>>
>> I’ve stated over on my own social media that, growing up in my
>> neighborhood in Pomona, one could not be racist and have friends. My group
>> of friends never thought much about it. When our respective moms told us to
>> “go outside and play,” we played with whichever kids were in the street. My
>> oldest brother was the only white guy on his high school football team. It
>> wasn’t weird to us; it was normal and no big deal. Nobody I knew would have
>> worn black face either as a gag or to be offensive.
>>
>> When I went to high school in Corona, I attached myself to the group of
>> kids who hung around what was called the “scholar bench,” and they were
>> even more diverse (I brought down the grade curve significantly, yet they
>> remain my closest friends to this day). Again, black face would not have
>> been contemplated.
>>
>> College up in the state of Washington, most of the campus was white.
>> That’s how much of Western Washington was at the time. But even surrounded
>> my mostly white folks, no black face.
>>
>> I wrote this not as some sort of humblegrag; my story is not unique. If
>> you are any age and remember with any degree of nostalgia the racist
>> behavior of the people you knew when you were younger, you need help.
>> Racism certainly existed all around me growing up, but the bigots were not
>> overt about it. If anything, racists kept it to themselves.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:36 PM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> If you are under 60 and at anytime in your life you can honestly say
>>> that it was not racist for white people to put on blackface when you were
>>> growing up, we know only one things for sure; you grew up around racists.
>>>
>>> Lots of things about race are complex and subject to POV. This is not
>>> one of those things.
>>>
>>> Of course, lots of people grew up around racists, so...
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 3:45 PM Steve Timko 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm a decade older than Megyn Kelly. When I was a kid, black face was
 still okay, although that was a reflection of a being in a rural mining
 town.  I called Brazil nuts nigger toes until I got into college.
 Of course I learned to be more culturally sensitive. That seems to be
 where Kelly is lacking.
 I wonder if this will show up as an SNL skit?

 On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 2:30 PM Chris Neuman  wrote:

> Patton Oswalt tweeted that same sentiment:
>
> https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/1054759947114672129
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 1:50 PM Kevin M. 
> wrote:
>
>> How old is Kelly that, as a kid, black face was an acceptable form of
>> dress-up? I’m in my mid 40s... I’m almost certain Kelly is younger than I
>> am, 

[TV orNotTV] Re: Tonight Show gets new showrunner

2018-10-25 Thread JW
> Jim Bell, from The Today Show and from NBC Olympics coverage.

Is it notable that he comes from the network rather than the Lorne machine?

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