Re: [TV orNotTV] NBA ratings: Better than last year, not up to pre-pandemic numbers

[Henry Fung]

I'm more surprised Ion averages 1.1 million viewers a night considering the
kinds of programs it shows.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 7:47 PM David Lynch  wrote:

> And if you want to look at teams by home market size, Phoenix is 13th out
> of 30 - still in the top half but pretty solidly in the second third.
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:42 PM Jim Ellwanger 
> wrote:
>
>> Here’s the current list of Nielsen’s Designated Market Areas - Phoenix is
>> #11, so it wouldn’t qualify if you define “major market” as Top 10.
>> (Milwaukee is #37.)
>>
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_stations_in_North_America_by_media_market
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2021, at 7:37 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 7:19 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I know Milwaukee isn't a major market, but Phoenix is the10th biggest
>>> metro in the country.  What qualifies as a major market?  Just NY, LA and
>>> Chicago?
>>>
>>
>> Seattle, Dallas, DC, Bay Area… I’m blanking on a few others… maybe Denver
>>
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 14, 2021, 4:32:27 PM PDT, Steve Timko <
>>> steveti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Considering neither team is a major market, the ratings aren't bad.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://apnews.com/article/business-entertainment-sports-basketball-canada-49a80dcc4773e62ed930a50b94b3ab3d
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: CBS News names a new president and it’s, actually, two people

[Henry Fung]

When you have an older demographic that watches news, it helps to have
familiarity. Kevin, your serious news in the LA area is going to be on
Spectrum News 1, which few people watch even if they have Spectrum.

On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 1:07 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> And the old-show familiarity (most of the on-air staff has been with the
> station for at least over a decade) is why WPVI's "Action News" is still
> [Jeff Kaye/Charlie Van Dyke] "Delaware Valley's leading news program."
> [JK/CVD]  Move closer to your world, my friend.
>
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> spotligh...@gmail.com
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>
> On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 8:42 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Which will only p!ss off the community groups, and Philly f'rinstance is
>> jam-packed with 'em.
>>
>> To Sikula's point and yours, Kev,, KYW is down to anchor Ukee Washington
>> and health reporter Stephanie Stahl, both of whom joined in 1986. Only
>> rival Jim Gardner has been around longer, and none of 'em look like they're
>> slowin' down any time soon...  B
>>
>> Kevin M, to Mark Jeffries, April 16th; emphasis added:
>>
>>> The “local shops” have no budgets, and have either fired or forced into
>>> retirement all the veterans with experience doing actual news. My guess is
>>> they will further consolidate news, one “local” producing stories for
>>> entire regions (i.e. the entire Midwest gets a single assignment editor), 
>>> *stripping
>>> away community studies and local identity*.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] British Reaction to US Pharmaceutical Ads

[Henry Fung]

Or that her BFF is the morning host on CBS This Morning which offers a
great opportunity to clean up and show other highlights, like she did on
reiterating that the Queen nor her husband are the racists concerned about
future Archie's skin color.

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 7:54 AM Jon Delfin  wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 10:16 AM PGage  wrote:
> [snip]
>
>>
>> Also, I thought Oprah had a relationship with ABC, but it looks like this
>> interview was in CBS?
>>
>
> The interview was produced by Harpo and sold to CBS. It may or may not be
> a factor that Oprah was briefly a correspondent for "60 Minutes."
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Brooke Baldwin gets to do what not many in news have

[Henry Fung]

Remember they sidelined her for the election as well, and from what I could
tell it was not at her request. No surprise she is moving on.

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 2:05 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 12:50 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
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>> Announce her departure, slated for April.
>>
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2021/02/16/brooke-baldwin-leaving-cnn-vpx.cnn
>>  (link)
>>
>
> She brings nothing of note to her broadcasts. She’s neither bad nor
> good... she’s barely memorable, and won’t merit a footnote in broadcast
> journalism.
>
>
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Ashleigh Banfield to WGN America

[Henry Fung]

You could say the same thing about three hours of NewsNation, which has
received a third to half the ratings of Married with Children and Last Man
Standing reruns.

On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 7:17 AM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Why? Was this a thing anybody anywhere asked for?
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 6:54 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
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>> The newscasting vet's self-titled talk show, replacing the third hour of
>> "News Nation" in March, will be made in the image of "Larry King Live"...
>>
>>
>> https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/ashleigh-banfield-talk-show-wgn-america-launch-1234878326/
>>  (link)
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: The next domino tobegone

[Henry Fung]

Not sure if this is a rights issue or not (if so they should say it) but
the wholesale erasure of the Keillor content was disturbing. I commented it
would be similar to Netflix not just canceling House of Cards or Amazon
ending Transparent but deleting the shows completely and pretending they
never existed. I was not a fan of HBO purging past Louis C.K. content
either but he was 99% of the content of the show. APHC had other performers
and the Writers' Almanac exposed Americans to various poets. It's no
different than when Joe Ricketts bought the -ist city news sites and
deleted the content, which engendered much media concern for the work lost.

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 3:03 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> FWIW,
>
> No name change for the show as yet, but the PrairieHome.org website
> appears to link strictly to Thile-hosted content (though Keillor is
> mentioned in the relevant historical portions of the site).  The Pretty
> Good Goods catalog was hosted on mpr.org and now simply reads:
>
> "Pretty Good Goods is no longer in service. All current orders placed on
> Pretty Good Goods will be fulfilled in the standard timeframe."
>
> Keillor also has a syndicated column in many newspapers.  As it isn't
> affiliated with American Public Media or MPR, I suppose it could continue.
>
> I didn't expect it either, but I'm not surprised.  Perhaps this is because
> of the current cleaning of house and/or a mild caddish vibe I get from him
> for reasons I can't quite pinpoint. (No, it's not the cadre of
> comparatively younger women he sings with on the show.)
>
> David
>
> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017, 1:48:14 PM EST, Diner <
> bwayst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> By terminating the contracts, MPR and American Public Media (APM) will:
>
> * end distribution and broadcast of The Writer's Almanac and rebroadcasts
> of The Best of A Prairie Home Companion hosted by Garrison Keillor;
>
> * change the name of APM's weekly music and variety program hosted by
> Chris Thile; and,
>
> * separate from the Pretty Good Goods online catalog and the
> PrairieHome.org website.
>
>
> Thile's version of PHC has a live episode (from Town Hall in New York)
> coming up on Saturday. They better change the name of that show soon.
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 12:55:35 PM UTC-5, Brad Beam wrote:
>
> Garrison Keillor fired for alleged improper behavior by Minnesota Public
> Radio
>
>
> https://usat.ly/2nc20tQ
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> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: OT: LA radio

[Henry Fung]

There are also radio industry discussion forums which write articles, and
the venerable LARadio.com.

On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Kevin M.  wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 2:44 AM, JW  wrote:
>
>> > By sheer accident, I find myself sitting on a big story in the world of
>> LA
>> > radio, a shake-up in the on-air talent at one of the talk stations.
>>
>> Can you do a podcast episode about it?
>>
>> I uncovered the story in the process of scheduling an interview for my
> podcast, so while the story might come up, I make no claims of being a
> journalist. I'm too opinionated, and although that is now no longer seen as
> a negative, I still feel a journalist needs to be able to distance
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Report: Megyn Kelly's first NBC interview will be the Kardashians

[Henry Fung]

This all seems like Rock Center redux.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 7:13 PM, Steve Timko  wrote:

> Megyn Kelly got modest ratings. Variety's headline: Even Putin seemed
> bored with the Megyn Kelly interview.
>
> http://thehill.com/homenews/media/336370-nbcs-megyn-kelly-
> 3rd-in-total-viewers-2nd-in-demo-in-sunday-debut
>
> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote:
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>> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Steve Timko  wrote:
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>>
>>> ... They should run a crawl: No Y chromosomes allowed.
>>>
>>
>> Oh... Didi Putin do his interview shirtless?
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Re: [TV orNotTV] CNN: FNC and Billo talking breakup

[Henry Fung]

Wasn't this Aaron Brown's Newsnight? Great concept but turned out to be a
failure. Or you could tune into the rolling news on BBC World News/News
Channel.

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:

>
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 7:11 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
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>> Al Jazeera tried that and got beat by the Weather Channel.
>>
>
> Their mistake was not naming the channel Al Pacino
>
>
>> Not sent from an iPhone.
>> On Apr 18, 2017, at 6:25 PM, "Kevin M."  wrote:
>>>
>>> How cool would it be if they replaced his show with an hourlong evening
>>> newscast centered -- not around one "personality" -- but on a team of
>>> skilled reporters assigned to beats and international bureaus? A show that
>>> focused on important events featuring only verified facts in a
>>> dispassionate point of view? No pundits. No man on the street. The only
>>> voices you'd hear would be experts in their respective fields offering
>>> answers. Nobody talks over others. Nobody insults others. Just one hour a
>>> night of substance?
>>>
>>> Or am I just whistlin' Dixie?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 6:12 PM Bob Jersey < bobjer...@ptd.net> wrote:
>>>

 Stelter
 
 (link) heard this from a Fox source, who added that Rupert is against it
 while James, his son, is in favor.

 The NYMag writer of Ailes' bio quotes his own sources
 
 (link) that James and Lachlan M. are close to announcing the ouster, adding
 that Rupert's bid for UK pay-TV titan Sky could hinge on it.

 No comment from either side.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] SoCal anchor MIA

[Henry Fung]

The answer to the question, which was added to the LA Times article, was
that he was in rehab. His brother Ron apparently was also in rehab in the
80's.

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 5:32 PM, Kevin M. <drunkbastar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Supposedly a Pat Harvey interview within the hour that might provide an
> explanation
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 5:30 PM Henry Fung <calwa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> According to the LA Times, Magers never resurfaced after January.
>> http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/la-et-st-
>> paul-magers-news-20170329-story.html
>>
>> As advertising revenues continue to drop many stations are jettisoning
>> big name, big dollar anchors. It's possible that he was off due to
>> contractual reasons or for negotiation purposes, never got a deal worth
>> continuing over, and retired rather than keep going. The era of the seven
>> figure anchor a la Paul Moyer is over.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 3:22 PM, David Risner <da...@risner.org> wrote:
>>
>> And the CBS TV station retweeted this to Twitter announcing his
>> retirement:
>>
>> https://twitter.com/NewsJuan/status/847211125775007744
>>
>>
>> --
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>> www.risner.org
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Kevin M. <drunkbastar...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Magers has resurfaced on Twitter!
>>
>> https://twitter.com/paulmagers/status/843633283883663361
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 8:01 PM, Steve Timko <steveti...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> In Reno the weatherman for the NBC affiliate was gone for more than a
>> month without explanation and when he returned he was rail thin.
>>
>> Not sent from an iPhone.
>> On Feb 28, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Henry Fung <calwa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Or the health of a family member, as generally FMLA leave is very closely
>> held, as it should. I have no idea exactly how old Magers's parents are but
>> if they are still alive, they are of the age where it is likely they would
>> need intensive assistance.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Tom Wolper <twol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Kevin M. <drunkbastar...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Paul Magers anchors the news in LA on both KCBS and KCAL, but not for
>> over a month. He's also normally an avid Twitter user, but not for over a
>> month. As someone who has not only interviewed Magers but looks forward to
>> his running commentary on high speed pursuits, I'm concerned for the guy.
>> He's missed an entire sweeps period. The only thing I can guess, and it is
>> just a guess, is he took some time to be with his brother who recently
>> retired as an anchorman in Chicago, but it is darned unusual for a lead
>> anchor to be gone this long.
>>
>> http://www.laobserved.com/archive/2017/02/mid_week_media_notes.php
>>
>>
>> With the paucity of evidence I hesitate to speculate, but I would
>> speculate he has a health issue and would prefer to deal with it privately.
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] SoCal anchor MIA

[Henry Fung]

According to the LA Times, Magers never resurfaced after January.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/la-et-st-paul-magers-news-20170329-story.html

As advertising revenues continue to drop many stations are jettisoning big
name, big dollar anchors. It's possible that he was off due to contractual
reasons or for negotiation purposes, never got a deal worth continuing
over, and retired rather than keep going. The era of the seven figure
anchor a la Paul Moyer is over.

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 3:22 PM, David Risner <da...@risner.org> wrote:

> And the CBS TV station retweeted this to Twitter announcing his retirement:
>
> https://twitter.com/NewsJuan/status/847211125775007744
>
>
> --
> David Risner
> www.risner.org
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Kevin M. <drunkbastar...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Magers has resurfaced on Twitter!
>>
>> https://twitter.com/paulmagers/status/843633283883663361
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 8:01 PM, Steve Timko <steveti...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In Reno the weatherman for the NBC affiliate was gone for more than a
>>> month without explanation and when he returned he was rail thin.
>>>
>>> Not sent from an iPhone.
>>> On Feb 28, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Henry Fung <calwa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Or the health of a family member, as generally FMLA leave is very
>>>> closely held, as it should. I have no idea exactly how old Magers's parents
>>>> are but if they are still alive, they are of the age where it is likely
>>>> they would need intensive assistance.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Tom Wolper <twol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Kevin M. <drunkbastar...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul Magers anchors the news in LA on both KCBS and KCAL, but not for
>>>>>> over a month. He's also normally an avid Twitter user, but not for over a
>>>>>> month. As someone who has not only interviewed Magers but looks forward 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> his running commentary on high speed pursuits, I'm concerned for the guy.
>>>>>> He's missed an entire sweeps period. The only thing I can guess, and it 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> just a guess, is he took some time to be with his brother who recently
>>>>>> retired as an anchorman in Chicago, but it is darned unusual for a lead
>>>>>> anchor to be gone this long.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.laobserved.com/archive/2017/02/mid_week_media_notes.php
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With the paucity of evidence I hesitate to speculate, but I would
>>>>> speculate he has a health issue and would prefer to deal with it 
>>>>> privately.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Academy lays award mixup on acctg firm's shoulders

[Henry Fung]

They needed to either block out, hole punch, or visually mark the envelopes
as they are given out. This 2016 story explains the process (and is better
than the ones which were written after the event this year):
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-ca-mn-oscar-envelopes-20160221-story.html

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 10:32 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:

>
> Your understanding of the specifics is probably more accurate than mine,
> only because I'm only half paying attention to stories about what happened.
> It's the term "dispose of" that gets a little murky, as there isn't really
> a shredder or trash can next to the PriceWaterHouse people (at least there
> didn't used to be). Obviously somebody didn't do what they were supposed
> to, which is unusual but not unprecedented during the show. I just don't
> think it matters, though I suppose I understand people's curiosity about
> it.
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 9:17 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> My understanding is a little different (though I have not updated with
>> any new information that may have been released today):
>>
>> Nobody gave the PWH a previously read envelope; there are two PWH VPs
>> each with (a briefcase of?) a full set of envelopes, one on each end of the
>> stage. Presenters come on stage from one side or the other, and get their
>> envelope from the PWH VP - leaving a duplicate, unopened envelope on the
>> other side. Somehow, the duplicate of the Emma Stone envelope (she had the
>> one that was read with her, or rather with her assistant, backstage during
>> the fiasco) was given to Warren Beatty when he went on stage, by the PWH VP
>> on his side (I believe it was the male).
>>
>> It seems clear to me that as soon as Emma Stone's name was read from the
>> first envelope, the male PWH VP was supposed to dispose of his duplicate
>> somewhere, so that it could not be confused with the next (in this case,
>> last) envelope to be opened. Somehow, the PWH guy did not dispose of his
>> duplicate Emma Stone envelope, and instead gave it to Warren. Beatty in
>> place of the Best Picture envelope.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 8:55 PM Kevin M. 
>> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 8:37 PM PGage  wrote:
>>
>> But I dont mean what do they do with them eventually, I mean what do they
>> do with them immediately after the award is announced? Every second they
>> are out in the open after that is begging for this kind of mistake. I have
>> to think the problem began with not disposing of the duplicate envelope
>> properly once Stone's name was read.
>>
>> As I understand it, the problem occurred when somebody gave a previously
>> read envelope back to one of the PWH agents on the wings of the stage, when
>> normally it is either left on the podium, given to the winner, or handed to
>> a stage manager. This led to a classic sitcom trope where the agent now has
>> two envelopes in his hand, one for the next award and one for a previous
>> award, both look nearly identical, handing off the correct envelope means
>> nobody notices, but hand off the wrong envelope and hilarity ensues.
>>
>> As for all the explanations about two sets of envelopes, nobody seems to
>> be explaining it in a way that makes sense to somebody not connected with
>> award shows. I know what they are trying to say, but even I don't know how
>> to explain it without going into detail about show order, rundowns,
>> blocking, what goes on in the wings of the stage, how many people can and
>> can't go near the envelopes, and on and on. As I said above, it's boring,
>> and it is a lot of "inside baseball."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 8:31 PM Kevin M. 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Considering all the NDAs I had to sign when I worked on all the awards
>> shows, I could tell you what they do with the duplicate envelopes... but
>> then I'd have to kill you. Trust me, the answer is boring anyway.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 8:19 PM PGage  wrote:
>>
>> Well yes, this is obviously getting a lot more attention than it
>> deserves, even if you grant the Oscars any significance, which I do. The
>> real story is that  film as really fine as Moonlight won the award, against
>> all odds.
>>
>> But I do think it is worthy of some discussion. The underlying issue for
>> the Academy is the integrity of the process. The integrity is undermined
>> when an award is officially announced, then taken back and given to someone
>> else. Its not a tragedy, but it is the kind of thing that, if your job is
>> organizing the Oscars, you want to be real sure never ever happens again.
>>
>> I am interested in what the procedure was supposed to be. I also read
>> elsewhere that the senior Price Waterhouse guy was supposed to go out on
>> stage, and the mistake was not that he went out, but that he did not go out
>> soon enough (apparently he was the one who gave Warren the wrong 

Re: [TV orNotTV] SoCal anchor MIA

[Henry Fung]

Or the health of a family member, as generally FMLA leave is very closely
held, as it should. I have no idea exactly how old Magers's parents are but
if they are still alive, they are of the age where it is likely they would
need intensive assistance.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Kevin M. 
> wrote:
>
>> Paul Magers anchors the news in LA on both KCBS and KCAL, but not for
>> over a month. He's also normally an avid Twitter user, but not for over a
>> month. As someone who has not only interviewed Magers but looks forward to
>> his running commentary on high speed pursuits, I'm concerned for the guy.
>> He's missed an entire sweeps period. The only thing I can guess, and it is
>> just a guess, is he took some time to be with his brother who recently
>> retired as an anchorman in Chicago, but it is darned unusual for a lead
>> anchor to be gone this long.
>>
>> http://www.laobserved.com/archive/2017/02/mid_week_media_notes.php
>>
>
> With the paucity of evidence I hesitate to speculate, but I would
> speculate he has a health issue and would prefer to deal with it privately.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] CNN - Bash/King

[Henry Fung]

They are in the same room together which at least seems to be a positive.
Usually one is in New York while the other is in Washington. Glad they
could keep it professional.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 9:10 PM, Doug Eastick  wrote:

> I'm unsure how I clicked on this but I've been watching CNN way too
> often during the election.  The names Dana Bash and John King are very
> familiar.  I can even hear Wolf/Anderson say their names.
>
> It turns out that Bash/King were married, had a kid, and got divorced in
> 2012(?). I guess that explains why he was sequestered at the
> touch-screen rather than the desk :).
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_King_(journalist)
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Bash
>
>
> (honest.  A few days after the election I decided to go cold-turkey and
> stop reading Presidential stuff.  But it kicked back in today after the
> Bannon appointment and "can my kids have top-secret clearance" request).
>
> If I thought the primaries, and then the campaign was a shit show, I guess
> that was only the beginning of 4 years.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

[Henry Fung]

With the Trump comments backstage on Miss USA and Miss Teen USA, plus
Trump's general indifference of saying things regardless of whether a
camera or mic is hot or not, I wonder who owns that footage. Although that
is the least of his problems.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 11:23 PM, Steve Timko  wrote:

> Mark Burnett says he never supported Trump's candidacy.
> http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/mark-burnett-
> donald-trump-apprentice-229706
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Adam Bowie 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Don't journalists protect their sources no matter what? Even if it means
> >> being sent to prison? I'm pretty sure that David Fahrenthold at the
> >> Washington Post said he knew his source for the Access Hollywood tape,
> but
> >> wasn't revealing it.
> >>
> >> But yes - an anonymous DVD or video file would be the way to go.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> So in this case the news organization cannot know the source unless
> >>> NBC/MGM/Burnett agree to release the footage which they won't.
> >>
> >>
> >>  I suspect that MGM/Burnett have the servers or tape library where the
> >> footage is stored on lockdown.
> >
> >
> > All I know is what I read on the internet. Still, it would be amusing to
> see
> > NBC, which has its own news division, suing a reporter and demanding to
> see
> > their sources under threat of prison.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Debate II

[Henry Fung]

Martha Raddatz specifically interjected several times to force Trump to
answer on Syria. Other than ringing a loud buzzer or repeating "your time
has expired" repeatedly like what happened in the California senate debate,
both candidates are going to keep talking past the limit. The debates
really need to be longer - three hours at a minimum, with allowance for ten
minute intermissions between the first and second hours - but given only 90
minutes of time, they did the best job possible, and better than Lester
Holt who was just bowled over.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 10:46 PM, PGage  wrote:

> Well, I think it has been established a long time ago that we use the term
> "debate" to refer to these events, even if they are not quite Oxford style.
> I was part of a debating team in my youth, but I don't sweat the
> terminology.
>
> But I disagree with the claim that viewers did not get much information
> about the two candidates; on the contrary, for 90 minutes, if you did not
> know anything about these two people, you would have learned quite a bit
> about both of them (Health Care policy, Syria Policy, Tax Policy). What is
> hard to believe is that any serious voter by this late date does not
> already know almost everything there is to know about their positions.
>
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Kevin M. 
> wrote:
>
>> It was not a debate. The moderators didn't moderate. Candidates were not
>> made to answer the questions asked. Candidates (one significantly more than
>> the other) interrupted each other. The audience interrupted repeatedly. As
>> theater, I suppose it was entertaining; as a debate, voters would've gotten
>> more information had both candidates simply each sent out a single
>> Tweet.
>>
>> In short I humbly disagree.
>>
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2016, PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> Without getting too much into how the two participants did, I thought
>>> the two moderators, Anderson Cooper and Martha Raddatz, really did a good
>>> job. That thought forced me to ask myself what my criteria for a good
>>> debate moderator were. In the past I probably leaned towards wanting the
>>> least intrusive moderator possible, who allowed the participants
>>> significant leeway in violating agreed upon rules and tried to avoid making
>>> themselves the story. Arguably that has never been a good model for a TV
>>> presidential debate moderator, but almost certainly, with Trump in play, it
>>> now is not. Cooper and Raddatz both had to work hard tonight, and had to
>>> inject themselves into things quite a bit, but I think it resulted in a
>>> much more fair and substantive exchange - and they actually covered quite a
>>> bit of ground. I suspect Trump partisans are pissed, but they oughtn't be;
>>> the moderators (and here I suppose I am getting into my view of how the
>>> participants did) probably saved the debate for Trump by shutting down
>>> several of his more unstable and incoherent rants during the first third of
>>> the debate, enforcing time limits, and allowing more questions to be asked.
>>> Trump did much better in the last two thirds of the debate - I would say
>>> that part of the show was basically a draw, after coming across as a mad
>>> man in the first half hour. If the perception of this debate is that it was
>>> close or a draw, it will only be because of the hard work and
>>> professionalism of the two moderators. I also wonder if it helps to have
>>> two moderators work this kind of circus.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Gretchen Carlson sues Roger Ailes for sexual harassment

[Henry Fung]

Laurie Dhue, whom no one has heard from recently, made a statement that she
is writing a book and invited the Fox attorneys to talk to her.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/21/laurie-dhue-shops-roger-ailes-tell-all-memoir.html?via=twitter_page

Glenn Beck is right, that this could spin pretty quickly to a Cosby
situation. I wonder, though, if the book could be edited and released while
Ailes is still relevant, since it's still possible Ailes takes the money
and is never heard from again.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 7:44 AM, Tom Wolper  wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:34 AM, 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Isn't a Trumpian "You're fired!" SOP here, rather than a "negotiation?"
>>
>
> When the person getting fired can afford a good attorney...
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Re: [TV orNotTV] No more CBS Evening News on weekends... sort of

[Henry Fung]

They are basically doing that with the CBS Overnight News now... a retread
version of the evening news hosted using a video jukebox. Honestly, with so
few people watching the evening news, it doesn't really matter.

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 12:53 AM, Kevin M.  wrote:

> The CBS Weekend News will debut this weekend, and feature "content" from
> the underfunded, woefully inept CBSN streaming news service. So, basically,
> the news will be a rerun of digital content... because that's better.
>
>
> http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/cbs-evening-news-weekend-cbsn-elaine-quijano-reena-ninan-1201764635/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] SportsTV: College f-ball bowl scheduling leads to sucky ratings

[Henry Fung]

It was business as usual here in California as well, aside from those
agencies/companies which normally had the entire week between Christmas and
New Years off. Sure, Christmas Eve is usually a half day (or earlier) but
not New Years.

As far as the scheduling, the old Chick-Fil-A Bowl at 7:30-8 pm ET had
decent viewership and was good background programming at bars and
restaurants. From Wikipedia, it got ratings in the 5-7 range despite not
being one of the BCS bowls, and the timing for Atlanta was ideal because
bowlgoers could simply ring in the New Year following the game (as opposed
to the Cotton Bowl which ended at 10:30 pm CT). I think the ceiling for a
New Years Eve game will likely be a 10. Maybe the old BCS system, of
staggering bowl games out on weekday nights, may work better.

For 2016/17, you have the odd situation of New Years Eve with championship
games and New Years Day bowl games on Monday since January 1 is a Sunday
and that's reserved for the NFL. I for one would have wanted to see a
college championship qualifier than the meaningless Sunday Night game.

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Doug Fields  wrote:

> “working New Year's Eve isn't the norm if you have the option not to.”
>
>
>
> And just to be clear, nobody I’m acquainted with “had the option not to.”
> New Year’s Eve just generally isn’t considered a paid holiday here.
>
>
>
> Doug Fields
>
> Tampa, FL
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *David Lynch
> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2016 2:14 PM
> *To:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] SportsTV: College f-ball bowl scheduling
> leads to sucky ratings
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Doug Fields  wrote:
>
> Seriously, who **doesn’t** work New Year’s Eve if it falls on a weekday?
>
>
>
> Among my family and social circles, working New Year's Eve isn't the norm
> if you have the option not to. Almost all of the people I know who worked
> on New Year's Eve this year are in retail or the kind of jobs that get no
> holidays (first responders, doctors, reporters.)
>
>
>
> My father's big multinational employer issued an order that anyone who
> worked that week had to do it from home because there weren't going to be
> enough people coming in to justify the expense of keeping the lights and
> heat on.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Trump SNL

[Henry Fung]

Variety did a count of the number of minutes Trump was on -
http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/donald-trump-saturday-night-live-12-minutes-1201636040/
It was also reported that Trump, like all guest hosts, had reviewed the
outlines of the sketches to be used during the show and rejected many of
them.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 12:41 PM, PGage  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Then it hit me - was it possible that the writers really were
>>> intentionally tanking the show, as their own protest at being forced to use
>>> Trump? I am sure this will be a big ratings winner for NBC, but it had to
>>> make most of the cast and crew feel dirty - not because he is politically
>>> controversial, but because Trump himself is just such a hack.
>>>
>>
>> I would never assume that if only because professionals don't put their
>> livelihoods at risk like that. Staff writers do not have tenure and if the
>> effort is noticeably lacking there will be consequences. What is more
>> likely is that Trump and his handlers micromanaged the writing process and
>> took out any sharp lines.
>>
>> Not to contradict what I previously wrote, but I know of a handful of
> instances when writers intentionally -- well -- lowered their own level of
> quality in an effort to make on-air talent look bad. There are tales of
> revenge against those who crossed the picket line during the last WGA
> strike, for instance. Writers did, indeed, put their livelihoods as risk
> because they felt the subject(s) of their writing were no longer worthy of
> their words. I just think, in the case of the SNL staff, for them to write
> any lower they'd have to resort to knock-knock jokes.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: "ABC Family" no more

[Henry Fung]

I also thought that "Family" had to be in the name of the channel. Unless
CBN waived it.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 11:16 AM,  wrote:

> IIRC, that provision does not expire, so "Club" will continue airing
> on Freeform three times a day (I believe plus) the 1-2 weekend telethons
> that Robertson puts on during the year (at this point, you'd think Disney
> lawyers could find a loophole to get the show off its airwaves, but it
> hasn't).
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 1:36:35 PM UTC-4, M-D November wrote:
>>
>> Wasn't there some sort of provision in the original sale of CBN to FOX
>> (which, IIRC, rolled over to Disney) that required the channel to carry the
>> 700 Club?  I wonder if that provision has expired...
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 1:10:30 PM UTC-4, Brad Beam wrote:
>>>
>>> Come 2016, the channel will be rebranded "Freeform".
>>>
>>> http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/06/the-associated-press-abc-family-network-changing-name-to-freeform.html
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Virginia TV crew involved in shooting on live TV - CNN.com

[Henry Fung]

The cafeteria at work decided to run soccer rather than CNN, probably for
this reason. The video should be available online - including the one that
the killer took, if someone wants to watch it - but it should not be on
linear television.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 7:41 AM, Adam Bowie a...@adambowie.co.uk wrote:

 What a cheery sight that will be in hotel receptions and airport lounges.
 Nothing like running what's essentially a snuff movie for everyone to
 watch.

 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mathew Ingram at Fortune is reporting that CNN has announced they will
 only show the video once an hour. Which is very benevolent of them,
 considering they could do the only fucking human thing and not show the
 damned video at all.

 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 08:34 Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Both dead.

 http://nyti.ms/1KN2bLB


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 http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/26/us/virginia-shooting-wdbj/

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Chuck Todd reportedly back to MSNBC

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MSNBC is going to run into the problem that doomed it when it was
America's NewsChannel: people in this country don't watch rolling news.
They might get some more ratings for a short period of time but in a year,
their ratings will be lower than when they were the liberal antidote to Fox
News. It's a shame because in countries like Britain, rolling news does
quite well. Fortunately many markets can get BBC World if they want to
watch a real news channel, but I would like to see something like BBC News
24 geared for America (the old Headline News was close, but not quite).

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wrote:

 Great minds and all that ... I just made the suggestion about rehiring
 Olbermann on an industry message board.

 The phrase I used was he's always going to be the way he is, live with it
 and defend him instead of trying to keep him on a short leash.

 On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 8:53:57 AM UTC-7, PGage wrote:

 I think I would give Williams a flagship newshour, bite the bullet and
 give Olbermann an hour, throw some money at some mid-profile ABC or CNN
 news person to jump ship, and sign some politico with ties to Obama or
 Hillary to a 2 year deal.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] A question answered? (Was: CBS fall annotated)

[Henry Fung]

Jim Nantz also announced the encore of Madam Secretary verbally during the
NFL game and it aired as scheduled on the West Coast. Watch it tonight,
talk about it tomorrow.


On Sep 22, 2014, at 8:45 AM, d...@flids.net d...@flids.net wrote:

My guide listed the same schedule, with a double-dip of Tea Leoni.  I
recorded the entire 8-11pm block, in case of football overage, so I've got
whatever was broadcast in the 10-11 slot, but I honestly don't know yet
whether anybody was bumped or the news was pushed back 45 minutes like
everything else in the earlier time periods.

Doug Fields
Tampa, FL

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Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] A question answered? (Was: CBS fall annotated)
From: Jon Delfin jondel...@gmail.com
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To: tvornottv tvornottv@googlegroups.com

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Bob Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote:


 Back in May, I noted:

 *SUNDAY*
 Wonder who'll get tossed if any NFL game(s) doesn't end by 7:56 east?
 7 PM – 60 Minutes
 8 PM – MADAM SECRETARY
 Téa Leoni heads up State. Unlike with Alfre Woodard, confirmed over on
 NBC, no IDing the POTUS in this.
 9 PM – The Good Wife
 10 PM – CSI/CSI: CYBER
 When the Danson gang hangs it up, Patricia Arquette takes over the slot.


 Last night the OT-playing Broncos and Seahawks offed (an albeit-repeat)
 Danson.


Curious. My DVR program guide said that TGW would be followed by a repeat
of Madam Secretary's pilot. Then again, said program guide also showed
Friday's The Knick as having a two-hour run time. (And they persist in
misspelling premiere.)

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