They needed to either block out, hole punch, or visually mark the envelopes as they are given out. This 2016 story explains the process (and is better than the ones which were written after the event this year): http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-ca-mn-oscar-envelopes-20160221-story.html
On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 10:32 PM, Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: > > Your understanding of the specifics is probably more accurate than mine, > only because I'm only half paying attention to stories about what happened. > It's the term "dispose of" that gets a little murky, as there isn't really > a shredder or trash can next to the PriceWaterHouse people (at least there > didn't used to be). Obviously somebody didn't do what they were supposed > to, which is unusual but not unprecedented during the show. I just don't > think it matters, though I suppose I understand people's curiosity about > it. > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 9:17 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > >> My understanding is a little different (though I have not updated with >> any new information that may have been released today): >> >> Nobody gave the PWH a previously read envelope; there are two PWH VPs >> each with (a briefcase of?) a full set of envelopes, one on each end of the >> stage. Presenters come on stage from one side or the other, and get their >> envelope from the PWH VP - leaving a duplicate, unopened envelope on the >> other side. Somehow, the duplicate of the Emma Stone envelope (she had the >> one that was read with her, or rather with her assistant, backstage during >> the fiasco) was given to Warren Beatty when he went on stage, by the PWH VP >> on his side (I believe it was the male). >> >> It seems clear to me that as soon as Emma Stone's name was read from the >> first envelope, the male PWH VP was supposed to dispose of his duplicate >> somewhere, so that it could not be confused with the next (in this case, >> last) envelope to be opened. Somehow, the PWH guy did not dispose of his >> duplicate Emma Stone envelope, and instead gave it to Warren. Beatty in >> place of the Best Picture envelope. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 8:55 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 8:37 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> But I dont mean what do they do with them eventually, I mean what do they >> do with them immediately after the award is announced? Every second they >> are out in the open after that is begging for this kind of mistake. I have >> to think the problem began with not disposing of the duplicate envelope >> properly once Stone's name was read. >> >> As I understand it, the problem occurred when somebody gave a previously >> read envelope back to one of the PWH agents on the wings of the stage, when >> normally it is either left on the podium, given to the winner, or handed to >> a stage manager. This led to a classic sitcom trope where the agent now has >> two envelopes in his hand, one for the next award and one for a previous >> award, both look nearly identical, handing off the correct envelope means >> nobody notices, but hand off the wrong envelope and hilarity ensues. >> >> As for all the explanations about two sets of envelopes, nobody seems to >> be explaining it in a way that makes sense to somebody not connected with >> award shows. I know what they are trying to say, but even I don't know how >> to explain it without going into detail about show order, rundowns, >> blocking, what goes on in the wings of the stage, how many people can and >> can't go near the envelopes, and on and on. As I said above, it's boring, >> and it is a lot of "inside baseball." >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 8:31 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Considering all the NDAs I had to sign when I worked on all the awards >> shows, I could tell you what they do with the duplicate envelopes... but >> then I'd have to kill you. Trust me, the answer is boring anyway. >> >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 8:19 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Well yes, this is obviously getting a lot more attention than it >> deserves, even if you grant the Oscars any significance, which I do. The >> real story is that film as really fine as Moonlight won the award, against >> all odds. >> >> But I do think it is worthy of some discussion. The underlying issue for >> the Academy is the integrity of the process. The integrity is undermined >> when an award is officially announced, then taken back and given to someone >> else. Its not a tragedy, but it is the kind of thing that, if your job is >> organizing the Oscars, you want to be real sure never ever happens again. >> >> I am interested in what the procedure was supposed to be. I also read >> elsewhere that the senior Price Waterhouse guy was supposed to go out on >> stage, and the mistake was not that he went out, but that he did not go out >> soon enough (apparently he was the one who gave Warren the wrong envelope). >> But I am also interested in what is *supposed* to happen to the duplicate >> envelope. It simply cant be that the one that doesnt get used is kept in >> the accountants hand all night - if so, this mistake would have happened >> several times already. Surely there must be a box where they put the unused >> envelope, and this guy just forgot to do it. >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 2:32 PM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Joe Hass <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> PwC admitted the same in an apology late Monday via tweet: >> https://twitter.com/PwC_LLP/status/836411572591464448 >> >> The interesting part for me is in this Times article from yesterday, >> where the head of PwC said when he saw Culliman and Ruiz from his seat at >> the ceremony, he knew something was wrong because "It’s not their job to >> come out on stage." This goes against what I was under the impression, >> which was that had something like this occurred, the PwC people would, in >> fact, literally come on stage to announce the winner. >> >> The geek in me is now curious what the proper protocol was. >> >> >> I have to vent somewhere so it might as well be here: a mistake was made >> and quickly corrected. Nothing bad happened to anybody. There are mistakes >> made in every day life like a wrong limb being amputated or a drone strike >> that kills civilians and there is no way to take it back or correct it for >> the victims or their families. This has nothing in common with those cases >> and it bugs the hell out of me that it is considered news after the fact >> and worthy of dissection and analysis. >> >> As for PwC and the proper protocol: from my military experience, in >> training we would be taught to do something, including the proper protocol, >> early in the morning and spend the rest of the day in the field practicing >> it over and over. It was deathly dull, tedious, and soul-draining, and we >> would learn this way day after day. It takes being in a real life situation >> where everybody knows what to do without thinking to appreciate that >> approach to training. 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