Re: [TV orNotTV] American Idol ratings
Dropped to 1.9 in the demo and lost almost 3 million viewers from last Sunday. http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/tv-ratings-sunday-march-18-2018/ On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 3:52 PM, PGagewrote: > Well, now you are comparing the second episode of AI, which goes to the > quality of the show, which as I said is not very good. Their rating went > from 2.3 to 1.8 (about 22% loss). The Voice on the other hand is at 2.3, > down only one tenth from its premier. > > Even do, AI was the second highest rated network show Monday night, and > that’s not nothing. If it continues to drop it may become a liability, but > I imagine if it stays a reasonable second place most nights it will have > justified itself. > > Again, my point is more than ever tv ratings have to be understood in > context, not as absolutes. Probably the best matrix would be something like > what share of tvs tuned to network shows were tuned to the target show. > > I have not been able to complete my data set of ratings for similar > programs over last 10 years, but so far most programs are down severely, > especially in last 2 years. It just doesn’t mean anything anymore to say a > program’s ratings are down compared to last year, without saying if the > decline is more or less than other programs. > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 1:17 PM Steve Timko wrote: > >> All that money brought them 3.4 million fewer viewers than The Voice. >> >> http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/tv-ratings- >> monday-march-12-2018/ >> >> Not sent from an iPhone >> On Mar 13, 2018, at 7:12 AM, PGage wrote: >>> >>> I don’t really care about AI (though I will confess to watching it), but >>> this is yet another example of how important it is to contextualize TV >>> ratings this year. The 2.3 rating was more than twice as high as what ABC >>> has been running in that slot this season, the highest rated show for ABC >>> in that slot in 4 years, the highest rated show of Sunday night, and was >>> roughly equivalent to the rating of the first episode of The Voice this >>> season (2.4). The 2.3 Rating exceeded industry predictions (most had it >>> coming in at under 2.0). AI functioned as a strong lead in to a new show on >>> ABC (can’t remember the name and don’t feel like looking it up), which gave >>> it a good number. The rating was 20% lower than the rating of the last >>> season premier of AI on Fox two years ago, which is in the ballpark of the >>> ratings declined shown by programs like the Daytona 500 and World Series >>> over that period. >>> >>> Which is to say, in the 2018 TV environment, a 2.3 rating is very good, >>> and probably worth whatever ABC paid for AI. >>> >>> The real question to me is will AI be able to maintain ratings near this >>> level (not sure what the typical season ratings curve looks like for AI). >>> Even by the standards of this kind of show I thought it was corny as hell. >>> I was surprise how well Richie did, and he would have an interesting take >>> on becoming a pop star, as he was one of those manufactured pop (R) stars >>> who actually had a really nice voice. I am not a huge Katie Perry fan, but >>> I thought at least she would be interesting (nope). I don’t know anything >>> about the country singer (I had never heard of the country singer on The >>> Voice when it premiered either, but found him to be both an interesting >>> personality and one of the better male voices in current popular music; >>> none of that seemed true of the AI guy - Luke something). >>> >>> The first episode did remind me of the difference between The Voice and >>> AI. While in many ways The Voice is a better show, it seems to produce >>> winners who are mediocre in the actual music business - partly I think now >>> because it seems to cull from opening acts, lounge acts, state fair acts. >>> The winner tends to be one of the best acts that has already proved it can >>> not appeal to a major fraction of the pop music audience. AI at least >>> presents itself as culling from acts that have not yet really had a chance >>> - so while they are often more raw and undeveloped, there seems to be a >>> chance that occasionally they will find a real pop music star (and, >>> occasionally, they have - which is more than The Voice can say). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 1:43 PM Steve Timko < steveti...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> They had a 2.3 in the demo and TV by the Numbers called that solid. That's a lot of money to pay for 2.3. He said Seacrest had a low profile. http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/tv-ratings- sunday-march-11-2018/ Not sent from an iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit
Re: [TV orNotTV] American Idol ratings
Well, now you are comparing the second episode of AI, which goes to the quality of the show, which as I said is not very good. Their rating went from 2.3 to 1.8 (about 22% loss). The Voice on the other hand is at 2.3, down only one tenth from its premier. Even do, AI was the second highest rated network show Monday night, and that’s not nothing. If it continues to drop it may become a liability, but I imagine if it stays a reasonable second place most nights it will have justified itself. Again, my point is more than ever tv ratings have to be understood in context, not as absolutes. Probably the best matrix would be something like what share of tvs tuned to network shows were tuned to the target show. I have not been able to complete my data set of ratings for similar programs over last 10 years, but so far most programs are down severely, especially in last 2 years. It just doesn’t mean anything anymore to say a program’s ratings are down compared to last year, without saying if the decline is more or less than other programs. On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 1:17 PM Steve Timkowrote: > All that money brought them 3.4 million fewer viewers than The Voice. > > > http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/tv-ratings-monday-march-12-2018 > / > > Not sent from an iPhone > On Mar 13, 2018, at 7:12 AM, PGage wrote: >> >> I don’t really care about AI (though I will confess to watching it), but >> this is yet another example of how important it is to contextualize TV >> ratings this year. The 2.3 rating was more than twice as high as what ABC >> has been running in that slot this season, the highest rated show for ABC >> in that slot in 4 years, the highest rated show of Sunday night, and was >> roughly equivalent to the rating of the first episode of The Voice this >> season (2.4). The 2.3 Rating exceeded industry predictions (most had it >> coming in at under 2.0). AI functioned as a strong lead in to a new show on >> ABC (can’t remember the name and don’t feel like looking it up), which gave >> it a good number. The rating was 20% lower than the rating of the last >> season premier of AI on Fox two years ago, which is in the ballpark of the >> ratings declined shown by programs like the Daytona 500 and World Series >> over that period. >> >> Which is to say, in the 2018 TV environment, a 2.3 rating is very good, >> and probably worth whatever ABC paid for AI. >> >> The real question to me is will AI be able to maintain ratings near this >> level (not sure what the typical season ratings curve looks like for AI). >> Even by the standards of this kind of show I thought it was corny as hell. >> I was surprise how well Richie did, and he would have an interesting take >> on becoming a pop star, as he was one of those manufactured pop (R) stars >> who actually had a really nice voice. I am not a huge Katie Perry fan, but >> I thought at least she would be interesting (nope). I don’t know anything >> about the country singer (I had never heard of the country singer on The >> Voice when it premiered either, but found him to be both an interesting >> personality and one of the better male voices in current popular music; >> none of that seemed true of the AI guy - Luke something). >> >> The first episode did remind me of the difference between The Voice and >> AI. While in many ways The Voice is a better show, it seems to produce >> winners who are mediocre in the actual music business - partly I think now >> because it seems to cull from opening acts, lounge acts, state fair acts. >> The winner tends to be one of the best acts that has already proved it can >> not appeal to a major fraction of the pop music audience. AI at least >> presents itself as culling from acts that have not yet really had a chance >> - so while they are often more raw and undeveloped, there seems to be a >> chance that occasionally they will find a real pop music star (and, >> occasionally, they have - which is more than The Voice can say). >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 1:43 PM Steve Timko < steveti...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> They had a 2.3 in the demo and TV by the Numbers called that solid. >>> That's a lot of money to pay for 2.3. He said Seacrest had a low profile. >>> >>> >>> http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/tv-ratings-sunday-march-11-2018/ >>> >>> >>> Not sent from an iPhone >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> Sent from Gmail Mobile >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options,
Re: [TV orNotTV] American Idol ratings
All that money brought them 3.4 million fewer viewers than The Voice. http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/tv-ratings-monday-march-12-2018/ Not sent from an iPhone On Mar 13, 2018, 7:12 AM, at 7:12 AM, PGagewrote: >I don’t really care about AI (though I will confess to watching it), >but >this is yet another example of how important it is to contextualize TV >ratings this year. The 2.3 rating was more than twice as high as what >ABC >has been running in that slot this season, the highest rated show for >ABC >in that slot in 4 years, the highest rated show of Sunday night, and >was >roughly equivalent to the rating of the first episode of The Voice this >season (2.4). The 2.3 Rating exceeded industry predictions (most had it >coming in at under 2.0). AI functioned as a strong lead in to a new >show on >ABC (can’t remember the name and don’t feel like looking it up), which >gave >it a good number. The rating was 20% lower than the rating of the last >season premier of AI on Fox two years ago, which is in the ballpark of >the >ratings declined shown by programs like the Daytona 500 and World >Series >over that period. > >Which is to say, in the 2018 TV environment, a 2.3 rating is very good, >and >probably worth whatever ABC paid for AI. > >The real question to me is will AI be able to maintain ratings near >this >level (not sure what the typical season ratings curve looks like for >AI). >Even by the standards of this kind of show I thought it was corny as >hell. >I was surprise how well Richie did, and he would have an interesting >take >on becoming a pop star, as he was one of those manufactured pop (R) >stars >who actually had a really nice voice. I am not a huge Katie Perry fan, >but >I thought at least she would be interesting (nope). I don’t know >anything >about the country singer (I had never heard of the country singer on >The >Voice when it premiered either, but found him to be both an interesting >personality and one of the better male voices in current popular music; >none of that seemed true of the AI guy - Luke something). > >The first episode did remind me of the difference between The Voice and >AI. >While in many ways The Voice is a better show, it seems to produce >winners >who are mediocre in the actual music business - partly I think now >because >it seems to cull from opening acts, lounge acts, state fair acts. The >winner tends to be one of the best acts that has already proved it can >not >appeal to a major fraction of the pop music audience. AI at least >presents >itself as culling from acts that have not yet really had a chance - so >while they are often more raw and undeveloped, there seems to be a >chance >that occasionally they will find a real pop music star (and, >occasionally, >they have - which is more than The Voice can say). > > > > >On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 1:43 PM Steve Timko >wrote: > >> They had a 2.3 in the demo and TV by the Numbers called that solid. >That's >> a lot of money to pay for 2.3. He said Seacrest had a low profile. >> >> >> >http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/tv-ratings-sunday-march-11-2018 >> / >> >> Not sent from an iPhone >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >-- >Sent from Gmail Mobile > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] American Idol ratings
I don’t really care about AI (though I will confess to watching it), but this is yet another example of how important it is to contextualize TV ratings this year. The 2.3 rating was more than twice as high as what ABC has been running in that slot this season, the highest rated show for ABC in that slot in 4 years, the highest rated show of Sunday night, and was roughly equivalent to the rating of the first episode of The Voice this season (2.4). The 2.3 Rating exceeded industry predictions (most had it coming in at under 2.0). AI functioned as a strong lead in to a new show on ABC (can’t remember the name and don’t feel like looking it up), which gave it a good number. The rating was 20% lower than the rating of the last season premier of AI on Fox two years ago, which is in the ballpark of the ratings declined shown by programs like the Daytona 500 and World Series over that period. Which is to say, in the 2018 TV environment, a 2.3 rating is very good, and probably worth whatever ABC paid for AI. The real question to me is will AI be able to maintain ratings near this level (not sure what the typical season ratings curve looks like for AI). Even by the standards of this kind of show I thought it was corny as hell. I was surprise how well Richie did, and he would have an interesting take on becoming a pop star, as he was one of those manufactured pop (R) stars who actually had a really nice voice. I am not a huge Katie Perry fan, but I thought at least she would be interesting (nope). I don’t know anything about the country singer (I had never heard of the country singer on The Voice when it premiered either, but found him to be both an interesting personality and one of the better male voices in current popular music; none of that seemed true of the AI guy - Luke something). The first episode did remind me of the difference between The Voice and AI. While in many ways The Voice is a better show, it seems to produce winners who are mediocre in the actual music business - partly I think now because it seems to cull from opening acts, lounge acts, state fair acts. The winner tends to be one of the best acts that has already proved it can not appeal to a major fraction of the pop music audience. AI at least presents itself as culling from acts that have not yet really had a chance - so while they are often more raw and undeveloped, there seems to be a chance that occasionally they will find a real pop music star (and, occasionally, they have - which is more than The Voice can say). On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 1:43 PM Steve Timkowrote: > They had a 2.3 in the demo and TV by the Numbers called that solid. That's > a lot of money to pay for 2.3. He said Seacrest had a low profile. > > > http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/tv-ratings-sunday-march-11-2018 > / > > Not sent from an iPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [TV orNotTV] American Idol ratings
You don’t necessarily **have** to do it regularly (although that’s absolutely a great habit to get into). But that’s always one of the first things you should try whenever you experience any odd, seemingly unexplainable behavior. And the fact that it only happens in Firefox, and no other browser, just reinforces the likelihood that it’s an issue isolated to that particular browser...such as cache issues. Doug Fields Tampa, FL From: 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 8:37 PM To: TVorNotTV <tvornottv@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] American Idol ratings Steve Timko, to moi, today (3/12): Have you cleared your cache? I forget to do that regularly. I found an add-on to do it with one click to the toolbar...I should try that again... B -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] American Idol ratings
Steve Timko, to moi, today (3/12): > > Have you cleared your cache? > > >> I forget to do that regularly. I found an add-on to do it with one click to the toolbar...I should try that again... B -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] American Idol ratings
Have you cleared your cache? Not sent from an iPhone On Mar 12, 2018, 5:20 PM, at 5:20 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTVwrote: > > >Kevin M, today (12): >>I still haven’t watched the last few episodes of season one of >>Timeless, and based on the ratings for the Timeless season premiere, >>I’m not alone in growing frustrated by their execution of a >potentially >>good premise. Idol didn’t seem to be a good lead-in. >> >I have this weird behaviour with GG web (which appears to be limited to > >Firefox... no such behaviour occurs in other browsers), where random >threads inexplicably prevent the site from loading them. > >I can go back to the list of topics, or look at a different threads, >but >when I go back to particular ones (and this is one of them), the >interface displays a "Loading..." notation at the bottom, but not much >else happens. > >I'm not expecting a great response from the help forums on this... > >B > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] American Idol ratings
Kevin M, today (12): I still haven’t watched the last few episodes of season one of Timeless, and based on the ratings for the Timeless season premiere, I’m not alone in growing frustrated by their execution of a potentially good premise. Idol didn’t seem to be a good lead-in. I have this weird behaviour with GG web (which appears to be limited to Firefox... no such behaviour occurs in other browsers), where random threads inexplicably prevent the site from loading them. I can go back to the list of topics, or look at a different threads, but when I go back to particular ones (and this is one of them), the interface displays a "Loading..." notation at the bottom, but not much else happens. I'm not expecting a great response from the help forums on this... B -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] American Idol ratings
I still haven’t watched the last few episodes of season one of Timeless, and based on the ratings for the Timeless season premiere, I’m not alone in growing frustrated by their execution of a potentially good premise. Idol didn’t seem to be a good lead-in. On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 1:43 PM Steve Timkowrote: > They had a 2.3 in the demo and TV by the Numbers called that solid. That's > a lot of money to pay for 2.3. He said Seacrest had a low profile. > > > http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/tv-ratings-sunday-march-11-2018 > / > > Not sent from an iPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[TV orNotTV] American Idol ratings
They had a 2.3 in the demo and TV by the Numbers called that solid. That's a lot of money to pay for 2.3. He said Seacrest had a low profile. http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/tv-ratings-sunday-march-11-2018/ Not sent from an iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.