Re: [twsocket] Android version of ICS?

[Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd]

> I understand this isn't a forum for the merits of Delphi or XE 
> series and up.  So I'd rephrase my question. WIth what is offered 
> with XE and up (as mentioned at very high costs) is there a 
> future for ICS then?  What's the point of using it if Embarcadero 
> supplies something that works and is cross platform?

No-one is forcing anyone to use ICS or Delphi for Windows development,
but since that's exactly what I use, I will continue to support and
develop ICS for several more years.  

ICS works fine on my Asus 7in tablet running Windows 8, and I'm sure
Windows will find it's way onto many more tablets as memory gets even
cheaper and processors more powerful.  

I'm sure ICS would work on Lazarus (it did in the past), but no-one has
volunteered to help support ICS on that platform, or indeed on any
mobile platforms, or even help support the C++ version, so all of these
are on hold due to lack of interest from volunteers. 

Angus
 

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Re: [twsocket] Android version of ICS?

[John Dammeyer]

I understand this isn't a forum for the merits of Delphi or XE series and up.  
So I'd rephrase my question. WIth what is offered with XE and up (as mentioned 
at very high costs) is there a future for ICS then?  What's the point of using 
it if Embarcadero supplies something that works and is cross platform?

John Dammeyer

> -Original Message-
> From: TWSocket [mailto:twsocket-boun...@lists.elists.org] On Behalf Of
> Tony Caduto
> Sent: March-29-16 5:31 AM
> To: ICS support mailing
> Subject: Re: [twsocket] Android version of ICS?
> 
> I know you guys don't want to hear this, but the future is going to be with
> Lazarus and Free Pascal which is already fully cross platform including
> Linux and BSD, and the ide works great on Linux and can cross compile to
> Windows on linux.
> Are you guys getting Delphi for free somehow? I know I had to stop using it
> because the cost was getting out of control. I  switched to Lazarus 4 years
> ago and it was the best thing sure it was tough at first but now everything
> is ported over and I have saved 4000 in upgrade fees over the last 4 years.
> On Mar 28, 2016 8:39 AM, "Fran�ois Piette" <francois.pie...@skynet.be>
> wrote:
> 
> > > Is there even a future for Delphi?
> >
> > Well, this is not the lace to discuss this topic but I'm convinced there is
> > a future as a cross platform.
> >
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Re: [twsocket] Android version of ICS?

[Tony Caduto]

I know you guys don't want to hear this, but the future is going to be with
Lazarus and Free Pascal which is already fully cross platform including
Linux and BSD, and the ide works great on Linux and can cross compile to
Windows on linux.
Are you guys getting Delphi for free somehow? I know I had to stop using it
because the cost was getting out of control. I  switched to Lazarus 4 years
ago and it was the best thing sure it was tough at first but now everything
is ported over and I have saved 4000 in upgrade fees over the last 4 years.
On Mar 28, 2016 8:39 AM, "François Piette" 
wrote:

> > Is there even a future for Delphi?
>
> Well, this is not the lace to discuss this topic but I'm convinced there is
> a future as a cross platform.
>
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Re: [twsocket] Android version of ICS?

[François Piette]

> Is there even a future for Delphi?  

Well, this is not the lace to discuss this topic but I'm convinced there is
a future as a cross platform.

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Re: [twsocket] Android version of ICS?

[John Dammeyer]

Sorry.  Didn't mean to insult. Of course Belgium.

Is there even a future for Delphi?  Everything seems to be .NET oriented
with the resulting code bloat.  Even interfacing to .NET created .DLL is
becoming harder.  

John


> -Original Message-
> From: TWSocket [mailto:twsocket-boun...@lists.elists.org] On Behalf Of
> François Piette
> Sent: March-28-16 12:42 AM
> To: 'ICS support mailing'
> Subject: Re: [twsocket] Android version of ICS?
> 
> 
> > Years ago, (could be decades now) I sent my postcard to France and tried
> to use ICS.
> 
> Actually you sent your postcard to Belgium :-)
> 
> > none of my clients care or expressly do not want their application
running
> on a tablet or phone.
> 
> I started to port TWSocket to Android, thinking that some of my client
would
> want some stuff ported to a tablet or a smartphone. None asked that. ICS
> has
> always been a "side effect" of my own business. I never had and won't
> probably never have no money to develop ICS as a product. This means I
will
> delay ICS for Android until I get a business large enough to fund ICS for
> Android without impairing the business budget too much...
> 
> Today I hope that IoT will open the business in which ICS would find a
> better place. IoT is full of communication so ICS should have his place.
> 
> 
> --
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> The author of the freeware multi-tier middleware MidWare
> The author of the freeware Internet Component Suite (ICS)
> http://www.overbyte.be
> 
> 
> -Message d'origine-
> De : TWSocket [mailto:twsocket-boun...@lists.elists.org] De la part de
John
> Dammeyer
> Envoyé : lundi 28 mars 2016 07:05
> À : 'ICS support mailing'
> Objet : Re: [twsocket] Android version of ICS?
> 
> I must admit I'm a little confused and not just about ICS.  Years ago,
> (could be decades now) I sent my postcard to France and tried to use ICS.
> Yet over the years my Delphi projects tend to be menu's and buttons that
> interface through USB Serial or CAN bus with 8 bit characters or bytes.
> Even now when I need to update an old project I have to go through the
> headache of changing chars and strings.
> 
> I've stopped at XE7.  A valiant effort in hopes to be able to perhaps
write
> a program that was transferable to ipads or iphones or androids.  Alas,
I'm
> still just writing windows programs and none of my clients care or
expressly
> do not want their application running on a tablet or phone.
> 
> I do have an application that sends out DMX512A light show UDP packets
> using
> IdUDPClient.  I don't even remember why I used that library.  Why would I
> use ICS instead?
> 
> Yet, the IoT is interesting.  A simple application that interacts with my
> new Raspberry Pi or Beagle Bone Black with Wifi dongle is appealing.   One
> that is portable so my iPhone or Windows Laptop can send a message to the
> Beagle to control a couple of outputs  to turn on lights or send CAN
message
> to my network of surplus Olympic Rings lights.
> 
> So where would I start?  Why would I use the twsocket family now?
> 
> Thanks
> John Dammeyer
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: TWSocket [mailto:twsocket-boun...@lists.elists.org] On Behalf Of
> > Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd
> > Sent: March-27-16 10:51 AM
> > To: twsocket@lists.elists.org
> > Subject: Re: [twsocket] Android version of ICS?
> >
> >
> > > I know you guys are probably very busy, but I need to ask.
> > > Is there any progress in an android version of ICS?
> > > I'm fully into Firemonkey making an Android App but the Indy
> > > component is very difficult to work with (for me anyway) Would it be
> > > possible to give an update on the status (if any?)
> >
> > Sorry, there is no Android progress.
> >
> > No-one has volunteered the hundreds of hours it would take, no-one has
> > offered to pay for the development needed.  We did ask Embarcadero but
> > they seem content with Indy (which I assume they make a financial
> > contribution towards).
> >
> > The only positive news is the latest Delphi roadmap mentions the next
> > release 10.1 Big Ben will include 8-bit UTF8 strings in mobile, where
> > currently ICS would need it's own 8-bit implementation (which was
> > started).  This will simplify sharing code between platforms.
> >
> > Angus
> >
> >
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Re: [twsocket] Android version of ICS?

[François Piette]

> Years ago, (could be decades now) I sent my postcard to France and tried
to use ICS.

Actually you sent your postcard to Belgium :-)

> none of my clients care or expressly do not want their application running
on a tablet or phone.

I started to port TWSocket to Android, thinking that some of my client would
want some stuff ported to a tablet or a smartphone. None asked that. ICS has
always been a "side effect" of my own business. I never had and won't
probably never have no money to develop ICS as a product. This means I will
delay ICS for Android until I get a business large enough to fund ICS for
Android without impairing the business budget too much...

Today I hope that IoT will open the business in which ICS would find a
better place. IoT is full of communication so ICS should have his place.


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The author of the freeware Internet Component Suite (ICS)
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-Message d'origine-
De : TWSocket [mailto:twsocket-boun...@lists.elists.org] De la part de John
Dammeyer
Envoyé : lundi 28 mars 2016 07:05
À : 'ICS support mailing'
Objet : Re: [twsocket] Android version of ICS?

I must admit I'm a little confused and not just about ICS.  Years ago,
(could be decades now) I sent my postcard to France and tried to use ICS.
Yet over the years my Delphi projects tend to be menu's and buttons that
interface through USB Serial or CAN bus with 8 bit characters or bytes.
Even now when I need to update an old project I have to go through the
headache of changing chars and strings.

I've stopped at XE7.  A valiant effort in hopes to be able to perhaps write
a program that was transferable to ipads or iphones or androids.  Alas, I'm
still just writing windows programs and none of my clients care or expressly
do not want their application running on a tablet or phone.

I do have an application that sends out DMX512A light show UDP packets using
IdUDPClient.  I don't even remember why I used that library.  Why would I
use ICS instead?

Yet, the IoT is interesting.  A simple application that interacts with my
new Raspberry Pi or Beagle Bone Black with Wifi dongle is appealing.   One
that is portable so my iPhone or Windows Laptop can send a message to the
Beagle to control a couple of outputs  to turn on lights or send CAN message
to my network of surplus Olympic Rings lights.

So where would I start?  Why would I use the twsocket family now?

Thanks
John Dammeyer





> -Original Message-
> From: TWSocket [mailto:twsocket-boun...@lists.elists.org] On Behalf Of 
> Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd
> Sent: March-27-16 10:51 AM
> To: twsocket@lists.elists.org
> Subject: Re: [twsocket] Android version of ICS?
> 
> 
> > I know you guys are probably very busy, but I need to ask.
> > Is there any progress in an android version of ICS?
> > I'm fully into Firemonkey making an Android App but the Indy 
> > component is very difficult to work with (for me anyway) Would it be 
> > possible to give an update on the status (if any?)
> 
> Sorry, there is no Android progress.
> 
> No-one has volunteered the hundreds of hours it would take, no-one has 
> offered to pay for the development needed.  We did ask Embarcadero but 
> they seem content with Indy (which I assume they make a financial 
> contribution towards).
> 
> The only positive news is the latest Delphi roadmap mentions the next 
> release 10.1 Big Ben will include 8-bit UTF8 strings in mobile, where 
> currently ICS would need it's own 8-bit implementation (which was 
> started).  This will simplify sharing code between platforms.
> 
> Angus
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [twsocket] Android version of ICS?

[John Dammeyer]

I must admit I'm a little confused and not just about ICS.  Years ago,
(could be decades now) I sent my postcard to France and tried to use ICS.
Yet over the years my Delphi projects tend to be menu's and buttons that
interface through USB Serial or CAN bus with 8 bit characters or bytes.
Even now when I need to update an old project I have to go through the
headache of changing chars and strings.

I've stopped at XE7.  A valiant effort in hopes to be able to perhaps write
a program that was transferable to ipads or iphones or androids.  Alas, I'm
still just writing windows programs and none of my clients care or expressly
do not want their application running on a tablet or phone.

I do have an application that sends out DMX512A light show UDP packets using
IdUDPClient.  I don't even remember why I used that library.  Why would I
use ICS instead?

Yet, the IoT is interesting.  A simple application that interacts with my
new Raspberry Pi or Beagle Bone Black with Wifi dongle is appealing.   One
that is portable so my iPhone or Windows Laptop can send a message to the
Beagle to control a couple of outputs  to turn on lights or send CAN message
to my network of surplus Olympic Rings lights.

So where would I start?  Why would I use the twsocket family now?

Thanks
John Dammeyer





> -Original Message-
> From: TWSocket [mailto:twsocket-boun...@lists.elists.org] On Behalf Of
> Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd
> Sent: March-27-16 10:51 AM
> To: twsocket@lists.elists.org
> Subject: Re: [twsocket] Android version of ICS?
> 
> 
> > I know you guys are probably very busy, but I need to ask.
> > Is there any progress in an android version of ICS?
> > I'm fully into Firemonkey making an Android App but the Indy
> > component is very difficult to work with (for me anyway)
> > Would it be possible to give an update on the status (if any?)
> 
> Sorry, there is no Android progress.
> 
> No-one has volunteered the hundreds of hours it would take, no-one has
> offered to pay for the development needed.  We did ask Embarcadero but
> they seem content with Indy (which I assume they make a financial
> contribution towards).
> 
> The only positive news is the latest Delphi roadmap mentions the next
> release 10.1 Big Ben will include 8-bit UTF8 strings in mobile, where
> currently ICS would need it's own 8-bit implementation (which was
> started).  This will simplify sharing code between platforms.
> 
> Angus
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [twsocket] Android version of ICS?

[Jasja Glasbeek]

Thank you Angus
Then I hope for progress with the new delphi version
Regards
Jasja

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 27 mrt. 2016 om 20:20 heeft Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd 
 het volgende geschreven:

>> I know you guys are probably very busy, but I need to ask.
>> Is there any progress in an android version of ICS?
>> I'm fully into Firemonkey making an Android App but the Indy 
>> component is very difficult to work with (for me anyway)
>> Would it be possible to give an update on the status (if any?)
> 
> Sorry, there is no Android progress.  
> 
> No-one has volunteered the hundreds of hours it would take, no-one has
> offered to pay for the development needed.  We did ask Embarcadero but
> they seem content with Indy (which I assume they make a financial
> contribution towards).  
> 
> The only positive news is the latest Delphi roadmap mentions the next
> release 10.1 Big Ben will include 8-bit UTF8 strings in mobile, where
> currently ICS would need it's own 8-bit implementation (which was
> started).  This will simplify sharing code between platforms.
> 
> Angus
> 
> 
> 
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[twsocket] Android version of ICS?

[Jasja Glasbeek]

Good morning/afternoon,

I know you guys are probably very busy, but I need to ask.
Is there any progress in an android version of ICS?
I'm fully into Firemonkey making an Android App but the Indy component 
is very difficult to work with (for me anyway)

Would it be possible to give an update on the status (if any?)
Thanks a lot and keep up the good work.

Regards,

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