Re: [U2] Software Test
Hi, we used an automated tester called Testpro a few years ago. You can set it up to run through your system using data in a file as input or you can load the script with the data. It works by recording what you do and capturing the screen output. It works..BUT it takes longer to maintain the scripts then do the changes. The overhead proved to much, we had about 30 developers at the time. We produce test plans for everything we do. It is the standard of the test plan and the quality of the person doing the testing that counts. Good luck Les Sherlock Hewkin Project Manager Group Financial Systems I.T. Department Ryehill House Ryehill Close, Lodge Way Industrial Estate, Northampton. NN5 7UA T 01604 592289 M 07917 856195 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Lee Leitner Sent: 22 September 2009 23:25 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Software Test Bill: One strategy that improves testing results is to correctly define what a successful test is. A successful test is one that *finds* errors in the code. If no errors are found, then either there aren't any (and that's highly unlikely,) or the tests aren't good enough to trigger the problems. Ideally, you get a hold of someone who knows the application very well, and has a demonic streak. Have that person follow the strategy Ken Hall suggested in the earlier post. If they are immediately successful (i.e. finding errors,) track the rate of error discovery. When the rate falls below, say one per day, you might be at a cutoff point. Get a second opinion from another destructive expert if you can, particularly if the first fails (i.e. finds no errors.) Basically, nothing beats an application expert bent on breaking the software for finding bugs the fastest. What your boss is proposing to do is to kill several hundred bacteria by boiling the ocean. Managing test case coverage for a typical application is a huge task. And when you'll get a positive ROI is unclear: At what point will the test system have enough critical mass (test coverage) to actually demonstrably improve reliability and user satisfaction? Lee On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Brutzman, Bill wrote: My boss has a new grand scheme for software testing. To test each program revision, he wants scripts to inject sample data into user apps and then another (big) program looks at EVERYTHING that comes out, comparing it to a baseline. To me, the scope of this project is huge, perhaps bigger that our ERP system. So far, I have been unable to talk him out of it. Thus, I am wondering what other people are doing in the way of software test. Virtually all of the source code that we have is in UniBasic. I do not know what jargon to use to describe the test that I do now. On a spreadsheet, I layout the various possiblities and then try each scenario... One-by-one... Fixing bugs as I find them and then starting the batch of tests from scratch. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Lee J. Leitner, Ph.D. leitn...@acm.org http://www.leitner.org/~leitnerl The world can only be grasped by action, not by contemplation. The hand is the cutting edge of the mind. -- Jacob Bronowski V.13.0 --- ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users html head meta http-equiv=Content-type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8 /head body P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee only. If you have received this message in error, you must not copy, distribute or disclose the contents; please notify the sender immediately and delete the message. /SPAN/P P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'This message is attributed to the sender and may not necessarily reflect the view of Travis Perkins plc or its subsidiaries (Travis Perkins). Agreements binding Travis Perkins may not be concluded by means of e-mail communication. /SPAN/P P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'E-mail transmissions are not secure and Travis Perkins accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. Whilst steps have been taken to ensure that this message is virus free, Travis Perkins accepts no liability for infection and recommends that you scan this e-mail and any attachments. /SPAN/P P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt;
[U2] IBM Certification: CertMag Invitation - Amex Gift Certificate Drawing
Who all else received this invite to take the certification survey? What did you check for your IBM U2 Family Application Certified Solutions Expert? I've carefully scanned the list of options, it is a bit early in the morning, but I'm not finding anything that resembles U2 solutions. Maybe this is an area that we as a community need to work on in the future, in the transition and beyond, a non-proprietary certification model. This has been discussed before so just tuck this away for future consideration, unless you have a new revelation or insight to contribute, let's not pick over old bones. -Baker -Original Message- From: IBM Certification Program [mailto:ibmc...@us.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:31 PM To: Certification Today Subject: IBM Certification: CertMag Invitation - Amex Gift Certificate Drawing MediaTec Publishing conducts an annual in-depth salary survey of Professional Certification across the IT industry. The survey is critical in helping the industry gauge the financial impact of certification. Each year, the analysis of the survey results is published in the December issue of Certification Magazine. All IT Certified Professionals are invited to participate. It should take just a few minutes to complete. Everyone who complete the survey will be entered automatically into a drawing for American Express gift certificates awarded by MediaTec Publishing. Your input is important so that your certification may be included in the final report. As you may think, recognition in Certification Magazine can increase awareness in the value of the certification you hold. Additionally, you may find the results useful in your own career development. Litchfield Group, an independent research firm, collects the survey data and the results are compiled by certified role. All data is confidential. Your anonymous response will be compiled and the aggregate results reported. No personal demographic information is collected other than state and/or country. The survey is currently available on-line and will end on September 25, 2009. Please take a few minutes to complete the survey and be included in the drawing for American Express gift certificates awarded by MediaTec Publishing. You can access the on-line survey from here ( https://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=_2fCbRm50Bf5lx8DdEA9E4uA_3d_3d). You can also link to the survey by selecting the CertMag Salary Survey graphic on the IBM Professional Certification home page ( http://www.ibm.com/certify/). Your IBM Professional Certification Team This email was generated by an automated machine. Please DO NOT REPLY to this email. This communication, its contents and any file attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential proprietary information. Access by any other party without the express written permission of the sender is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this communication in error you may not copy, distribute or use the contents, attachments or information in any way. Please destroy it and contact the sender. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Software Test
Bill, We use scripts that run our application, but the big caveat is that we are 100% Web based so there are a lot of tools to do this. There are tons of open source applications like: MaxQ, Anteater, Bugkilla, Rational AppScan, and VNCRobot. You got to love those names. Anyway, you should be able to take any scripting language and feed the program and test the output. When we were telnet based, we had a person that was not familiar with the application to test it. She actually tele-commuted and would find a plethora of errors and submit them to our Bugzilla system. We would fix them and she would do her thing again. She was instrumental in writing our scripts for our web base programming. Now that we have all of these scripts we only need her to update them when we change or add prompts. Or when we write a new subsystem. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Software Test
Also take a look at Hudson, http://wiki.hudson-ci.org/display/HUDSON/Meet+Hudson. It can help with a lot of germane tasks for builds, testing...etc and it is easy to create customized plugins... Doug wrote: Bill, We use scripts that run our application, but the big caveat is that we are 100% Web based so there are a lot of tools to do this. There are tons of open source applications like: MaxQ, Anteater, Bugkilla, Rational AppScan, and VNCRobot. You got to love those names. Anyway, you should be able to take any scripting language and feed the program and test the output. When we were telnet based, we had a person that was not familiar with the application to test it. She actually tele-commuted and would find a plethora of errors and submit them to our Bugzilla system. We would fix them and she would do her thing again. She was instrumental in writing our scripts for our web base programming. Now that we have all of these scripts we only need her to update them when we change or add prompts. Or when we write a new subsystem. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] IBM Certification: CertMag Invitation - Amex Gift Certificate Drawing
I just checked Other Baker Hughes wrote: Who all else received this invite to take the certification survey? What did you check for your IBM U2 Family Application Certified Solutions Expert? I've carefully scanned the list of options, it is a bit early in the morning, but I'm not finding anything that resembles U2 solutions. Maybe this is an area that we as a community need to work on in the future, in the transition and beyond, a non-proprietary certification model. This has been discussed before so just tuck this away for future consideration, unless you have a new revelation or insight to contribute, let's not pick over old bones. -Baker -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Reading the Global Catalog
Is there a way to programatically... [1] read the global catalog? [2] determine the original path (file folder) of a cataloged (compiled) SubRoutine? In other words, is it possible to do something like... read R.Catalog from F.Catalog, MY.SUB.NAME else R.Catalog = '' My.Sub.Path = R.Catalog2 Suggestions would be appreciated. --Bill Brutzman ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Reading the Global Catalog
This is only a guess - but try looking at the last attribute in the GLOBAL.CATDIR file. Mark Uv10 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brutzman, Bill Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:11 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Reading the Global Catalog Is there a way to programatically... [1] read the global catalog? [2] determine the original path (file folder) of a cataloged (compiled) SubRoutine? In other words, is it possible to do something like... read R.Catalog from F.Catalog, MY.SUB.NAME else R.Catalog = '' My.Sub.Path = R.Catalog2 Suggestions would be appreciated. --Bill Brutzman ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Reading the Global Catalog
On Unidata this can be found in the CTLGTB file. - jmh -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mark Eastwood Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:21 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Reading the Global Catalog This is only a guess - but try looking at the last attribute in the GLOBAL.CATDIR file. Mark Uv10 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brutzman, Bill Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:11 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Reading the Global Catalog Is there a way to programatically... [1] read the global catalog? [2] determine the original path (file folder) of a cataloged (compiled) SubRoutine? In other words, is it possible to do something like... read R.Catalog from F.Catalog, MY.SUB.NAME else R.Catalog = '' My.Sub.Path = R.Catalog2 Suggestions would be appreciated. --Bill Brutzman ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information or otherwise protected by law. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Reading the Global Catalog
On Unidata, you can start with field 3 in the CTLGTB file. As long as you stick with the CATALOG verb and don't edit any of the records in CTLGTB, that should work. For example, it's possible to manually copy the object into the system CTLG directory. If that happens, you can still call the program from Unidata, but it will not show up in the CTLGTB file. Brutzman, Bill bi...@hkmetalcraft.com 9/23/2009 2:10 PM Is there a way to programatically... [1] read the global catalog? [2] determine the original path (file folder) of a cataloged (compiled) SubRoutine? In other words, is it possible to do something like... read R.Catalog from F.Catalog, MY.SUB.NAME else R.Catalog = '' My.Sub.Path = R.Catalog2 Suggestions would be appreciated. --Bill Brutzman ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Reading the Global Catalog
Bill There is a very cludgy routine below to get it for UniVerse. However, on some revisions of UniVerse there was a bug that prevented the catalog path being written to the catdir object, so your luck may vary. Brian --- cut here --- PROGRAM GetCatdirPath $OPTIONS PICK Get(Arg.) ProgName Else Crt Program Name ::; input ProgName if ProgName = then GoSub Usage STOP End End OpenSeq GLOBAL.CATDIR, ProgName To FL Else Crt Cant open it STOP End Status FStat From FL Else Crt Cannot status :ProgName CloseSeq FL STOP End ObjectLength = FStat6 ReadBlk Object From FL, ObjectLength Else Crt Cannot read :ProgName CloseSeq FL STOP End CloseSeq FL L = ObjectLength Loop While Object[L,1] = Char(0) Do L -= 1 Repeat Path = Loop While Object[L,1] Char(0) Do Path = Object[L,1]: Path L -= 1 Repeat Crt Path STOP *--- * Usage *--- Usage: Crt GetCatdirPath Crt = Crt Crt Get original path name from Global catalog entry. Crt Crt Syntax: Crt Crt GetCatdirPath *MyProg Crt Return --- end cut --- -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brutzman, Bill Sent: 23 September 2009 19:11 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Reading the Global Catalog Is there a way to programatically... [1] read the global catalog? [2] determine the original path (file folder) of a cataloged (compiled) SubRoutine? In other words, is it possible to do something like... read R.Catalog from F.Catalog, MY.SUB.NAME else R.Catalog = '' My.Sub.Path = R.Catalog2 Suggestions would be appreciated. --Bill Brutzman ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Reading the Global Catalog
Thanks to those who responded, especially Brian. I tried the program below... Getting mixed results... The first time it worked... Then it did not. So... Instead of this I will poll our configuration management database to get the needed data. The downside of this approach is that there may be legacy subs that it finds that are not under configuration control. --Bill Brutzman -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:52 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Reading the Global Catalog Bill There is a very cludgy routine below to get it for UniVerse. However, on some revisions of UniVerse there was a bug that prevented the catalog path being written to the catdir object, so your luck may vary. Brian --- cut here --- PROGRAM GetCatdirPath $OPTIONS PICK Get(Arg.) ProgName Else Crt Program Name ::; input ProgName if ProgName = then GoSub Usage STOP End End OpenSeq GLOBAL.CATDIR, ProgName To FL Else Crt Cant open it STOP End Status FStat From FL Else Crt Cannot status :ProgName CloseSeq FL STOP End ObjectLength = FStat6 ReadBlk Object From FL, ObjectLength Else Crt Cannot read :ProgName CloseSeq FL STOP End CloseSeq FL L = ObjectLength Loop While Object[L,1] = Char(0) Do L -= 1 Repeat Path = Loop While Object[L,1] Char(0) Do Path = Object[L,1]: Path L -= 1 Repeat Crt Path STOP *--- * Usage *--- Usage: Crt GetCatdirPath Crt = Crt Crt Get original path name from Global catalog entry. Crt Crt Syntax: Crt Crt GetCatdirPath *MyProg Crt Return --- end cut --- -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brutzman, Bill Sent: 23 September 2009 19:11 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Reading the Global Catalog Is there a way to programatically... [1] read the global catalog? [2] determine the original path (file folder) of a cataloged (compiled) SubRoutine? In other words, is it possible to do something like... read R.Catalog from F.Catalog, MY.SUB.NAME else R.Catalog = '' My.Sub.Path = R.Catalog2 Suggestions would be appreciated. --Bill Brutzman ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Universe web connectivity
Hi, We currently have a system with a VB6 front end and use Universe for the database and business logic. We are looking to develop a web solution for our product. What are people using to inteface universe with the web, and what are your experiences ( both good and bad ) with the route you have chosen. Thanks, Matt ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe web connectivity
Matthew, First, I want to mention that there are a number of writeups already on the PickWiki website: http://www.pickwiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CreateWebInterfaces We use u2pipe for our customers' websites. We don't need to install UniObjects on hosted webservers (many hosting services don't let you install them.) Currently, the websites are written in either ASP, PHP, or ColdFusion. The upside is that it doesn't tie up a U2 license for the duration of a user session, and that's its downside too -- it's possible for telnet users to eat up all the available licenses. You say you're looking to develop a web solution for our product -- what kind of product is it? Will you host the website for all your customers, or will they each have their own deployment? Will it be a heavy traffic site, or low traffic geared towards internal employees or selected customers? Are you looking to create the next FaceBook? rex ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe web connectivity
Matt, [ad] We have a complete solution that does not require you to build any Web tools yourself. Our solution runs under open source Apache Tomcat and uses UniObjects for Java (UOJ) to talk to the Universe or Unidata. Jabsorb.org, json-rpc.org, log4j, Quartz and numerous Java libraries to handle the AJAX transport between Universe and the Web are other open source we use. You can use any browser such as IE, Firefox, Safari, or Chrome. U2WebLink, our middleware, has replication technology which is very import for our Web clients. U2WebLink can handle replication between a Publisher and multiple Subscribers whether one is Universe and the other is Unidata. This replication does not require you to change or configure you database any differently. You just have to wrapper your writes and deletes with a call to our subroutine that you want replicated. Our subroutines have this capability already built-in. Scalability is not an issue. We have sites doing between 100 transactions to 15,000 per hour. We do not require you to use IBM connection pooling since we handle this through UOJ and our connection manager. Our open source logger can create a lot of detail login information which is not the case with standard UOJ. We have a built in subroutines to do the equivalent of CRT Statements to a log programmer by programmer. This is very helpful in debugging basic subroutines for the Web. Our Eclipse based tool called XLr8Developer that allows you to build your web forms. We have XLr8Object Editor that allows you to build the objects to talk with the web. We allow, through our JavaScript API, to call any UniBasic subroutine that you already have on your system. These all work with version control systems such as CVS, Subversion, Preforce or Git. We have spoken at length with PRC and can interface with their version control system as well. Probably the hardest feature to quantify is that we expect you to custom many things we produce such as HTML or JavaScript. So, we have many ways that allows you the create the forms that more match your business without a lot of fuss. We have hooks to call any routine through out the JavaScript that you may need to do something we have not thought of. We have over 700 forms running applications that we own such at Customer Resource Management, Distribution, Accounting, Warehousing, Moving and Storage, Food Service Dispatch, Broker Dispatch, Alpaca Herd Management, Payroll and Document Management all written with these tools. We are currently writing a interface to an open source report writer that should be available next quarter. [/ad] Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Day Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:07 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Universe web connectivity Hi, We currently have a system with a VB6 front end and use Universe for the database and business logic. We are looking to develop a web solution for our product. What are people using to inteface universe with the web, and what are your experiences ( both good and bad ) with the route you have chosen. Thanks, Matt ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
