Re: [U2] Cloud Collaboration
I have had discussions with Rocket on running UniVerse on Azure and I have been experimenting with running UniVerse on Azure. I believe Rocket was setting up a project to look at it, but have not heard anything more. Regards David Jordan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Friday, 18 November 2011 9:26 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Cloud Collaboration I do not have a clear picture on where the Rocket is going regarding Cloud Computing. Is the Rocket so far out in space that... there are no clouds? Is the Rocket on the launch pad... waiting for an Azure-blue sky? --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Jordan Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:55 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration The U2UG board has been discussing with Rocket how to encourage excitement that U2 is not legacy but is a technology leader. I was at a presentation of a U2 VAR and they demonstrated product that would be indistinguishable from any other player in open systems, Service architecture, interoperability, web intefaces, etc. How do we get this across to the market. With collaboration, we need to first excite. How do we excite people in U2 technology. Is it looking at a major enhancement of the BASIC programming language or a new one within U2. What other things do we look at. Currently young programmers are excited by web technology's, mobile apps, the sexy stuff. They are not interested in the backend, whether Oracle RDBMS, SQL Server or U2. This is a problem across the industry. The board of the user group are interested in areas to look at and how to create infrastructure to make this happen. If we can reignite excitement in the product and create a place for collaboration where that excitement can be put to good use then I believe we can achieve success. However our success depends on a group of people not a few individuals. If this is to occur, it is time for people to become involved in shaping a future. Regards David Jordan VP U2UG ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
Personally I respond more immediately when something comes at me. Would it not be possible to set up a mailing list for any changes to Incubator code? So all users on that list get emailed when a change is made? I think this would propel both use of the code, and misuse enhancement. -Original Message- From: Brian Leach To: U2 Users List Sent: Thu, Nov 17, 2011 2:55 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration Mecki Thats why the board launched the Incubator project early this year. The intent s for this to become a repository of useful working examples of using the echnology. But I don't have the time to write those all myself and we have been rying to pursuade the community to get involved. Brian ent from my ASUS Eee Pad Mecki Foerthmann wrote: >I think a major problem is the lack of training/documentation. Great that there are all these new possibilities, but if you have to figure everything out yourself it becomes very difficult to keep up with the technology. A lot of VARs (especially ours) are no help if you get the feeling they know even less then you do. It is very frustrating if the business asks, 'can we do that?' and you can only answer, 'yes, I know it's possible but I don't know how to make it work.' And how am I to show the young guys all the flash things I have seen in demos or heard about here if I can't get them to work myself? On 17/11/2011 20:55, David Jordan wrote: > The U2UG board has been discussing with Rocket how to encourage excitement hat U2 is not legacy but is a technology leader. I was at a presentation of a 2 VAR and they demonstrated product that would be indistinguishable from any ther player in open systems, Service architecture, interoperability, web ntefaces, etc. How do we get this across to the market. > > With collaboration, we need to first excite. How do we excite people in U2 echnology. Is it looking at a major enhancement of the BASIC programming anguage or a new one within U2. What other things do we look at. > > Currently young programmers are excited by web technology's, mobile apps, the exy stuff. They are not interested in the backend, whether Oracle RDBMS, SQL erver or U2. This is a problem across the industry. > > The board of the user group are interested in areas to look at and how to reate infrastructure to make this happen. If we can reignite excitement in he product and create a place for collaboration where that excitement can be ut to good use then I believe we can achieve success. However our success epends on a group of people not a few individuals. If this is to occur, it is ime for people to become involved in shaping a future. > > Regards > David Jordan > VP U2UG > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
Mecki Thats why the board launched the Incubator project early this year. The intent is for this to become a repository of useful working examples of using the technology. But I don't have the time to write those all myself and we have been trying to pursuade the community to get involved. Brian Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad Mecki Foerthmann wrote: >I think a major problem is the lack of training/documentation. >Great that there are all these new possibilities, but if you have to >figure everything out yourself it becomes very difficult to keep up with >the technology. >A lot of VARs (especially ours) are no help if you get the feeling they >know even less then you do. >It is very frustrating if the business asks, 'can we do that?' and you >can only answer, 'yes, I know it's possible but I don't know how to make >it work.' >And how am I to show the young guys all the flash things I have seen in >demos or heard about here if I can't get them to work myself? > >On 17/11/2011 20:55, David Jordan wrote: >> The U2UG board has been discussing with Rocket how to encourage excitement >> that U2 is not legacy but is a technology leader. I was at a presentation >> of a U2 VAR and they demonstrated product that would be indistinguishable >> from any other player in open systems, Service architecture, >> interoperability, web intefaces, etc. How do we get this across to the >> market. >> >> With collaboration, we need to first excite. How do we excite people in U2 >> technology. Is it looking at a major enhancement of the BASIC programming >> language or a new one within U2. What other things do we look at. >> >> Currently young programmers are excited by web technology's, mobile apps, >> the sexy stuff. They are not interested in the backend, whether Oracle >> RDBMS, SQL Server or U2. This is a problem across the industry. >> >> The board of the user group are interested in areas to look at and how to >> create infrastructure to make this happen. If we can reignite excitement >> in the product and create a place for collaboration where that excitement >> can be put to good use then I believe we can achieve success. However our >> success depends on a group of people not a few individuals. If this is to >> occur, it is time for people to become involved in shaping a future. >> >> Regards >> David Jordan >> VP U2UG >> ___ >> U2-Users mailing list >> U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org >> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >___ >U2-Users mailing list >U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org >http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Cloud Collaboration
I do not have a clear picture on where the Rocket is going regarding Cloud Computing. Is the Rocket so far out in space that... there are no clouds? Is the Rocket on the launch pad... waiting for an Azure-blue sky? --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Jordan Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:55 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration The U2UG board has been discussing with Rocket how to encourage excitement that U2 is not legacy but is a technology leader. I was at a presentation of a U2 VAR and they demonstrated product that would be indistinguishable from any other player in open systems, Service architecture, interoperability, web intefaces, etc. How do we get this across to the market. With collaboration, we need to first excite. How do we excite people in U2 technology. Is it looking at a major enhancement of the BASIC programming language or a new one within U2. What other things do we look at. Currently young programmers are excited by web technology's, mobile apps, the sexy stuff. They are not interested in the backend, whether Oracle RDBMS, SQL Server or U2. This is a problem across the industry. The board of the user group are interested in areas to look at and how to create infrastructure to make this happen. If we can reignite excitement in the product and create a place for collaboration where that excitement can be put to good use then I believe we can achieve success. However our success depends on a group of people not a few individuals. If this is to occur, it is time for people to become involved in shaping a future. Regards David Jordan VP U2UG ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
I think a major problem is the lack of training/documentation. Great that there are all these new possibilities, but if you have to figure everything out yourself it becomes very difficult to keep up with the technology. A lot of VARs (especially ours) are no help if you get the feeling they know even less then you do. It is very frustrating if the business asks, 'can we do that?' and you can only answer, 'yes, I know it's possible but I don't know how to make it work.' And how am I to show the young guys all the flash things I have seen in demos or heard about here if I can't get them to work myself? On 17/11/2011 20:55, David Jordan wrote: The U2UG board has been discussing with Rocket how to encourage excitement that U2 is not legacy but is a technology leader. I was at a presentation of a U2 VAR and they demonstrated product that would be indistinguishable from any other player in open systems, Service architecture, interoperability, web intefaces, etc. How do we get this across to the market. With collaboration, we need to first excite. How do we excite people in U2 technology. Is it looking at a major enhancement of the BASIC programming language or a new one within U2. What other things do we look at. Currently young programmers are excited by web technology's, mobile apps, the sexy stuff. They are not interested in the backend, whether Oracle RDBMS, SQL Server or U2. This is a problem across the industry. The board of the user group are interested in areas to look at and how to create infrastructure to make this happen. If we can reignite excitement in the product and create a place for collaboration where that excitement can be put to good use then I believe we can achieve success. However our success depends on a group of people not a few individuals. If this is to occur, it is time for people to become involved in shaping a future. Regards David Jordan VP U2UG ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
The U2UG board has been discussing with Rocket how to encourage excitement that U2 is not legacy but is a technology leader. I was at a presentation of a U2 VAR and they demonstrated product that would be indistinguishable from any other player in open systems, Service architecture, interoperability, web intefaces, etc. How do we get this across to the market. With collaboration, we need to first excite. How do we excite people in U2 technology. Is it looking at a major enhancement of the BASIC programming language or a new one within U2. What other things do we look at. Currently young programmers are excited by web technology's, mobile apps, the sexy stuff. They are not interested in the backend, whether Oracle RDBMS, SQL Server or U2. This is a problem across the industry. The board of the user group are interested in areas to look at and how to create infrastructure to make this happen. If we can reignite excitement in the product and create a place for collaboration where that excitement can be put to good use then I believe we can achieve success. However our success depends on a group of people not a few individuals. If this is to occur, it is time for people to become involved in shaping a future. Regards David Jordan VP U2UG ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
Another need/want I have is a pygments [1] file for Unibasic. That was syntax hilighting works on all the webapps that use pygments (such as github, trac, wordpress). [1] http://pygments.org/ On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Steve Romanow wrote: > I have some U2 related code on these two sites. > > https://bitbucket.org/slestak/u2-tools > https://github.com/slestak/RocketUnidata > > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Steve Romanow wrote: >> Github, SF.net, Bitbucket, etc are setup to allow team collaboration. >> For each project there are issue trackers, wiki, code browsing, etc. >> >> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:02 PM, John Thompson >> wrote: >>> Ya know what I think the real problem is... >>> >>> Most of us have about 100 irons in the fire, and, we would all love to >>> maintain/contribute, but, every time we start something, we realize, "Oh >>> crap, >>> someone has to administer that" Then once the poor soul administering it, >>> gets busy, misses a few requests, etc... then the people contributing say, >>> "Oh well, that must not be maintained anymore, or that guy/gal must be >>> busy." >>> >>> I think we can create something, the real problem is, finding folks with >>> enough >>> time/motivation/drive, etc. to monitor/maintain/administer it. >>> Contributing is the easy part. >>> Organizing, documenting, and making it presentable is the hard part. >>> >>> On top of that most programmers/technicians, are sucky documenters, or would >>> rather not document at all, OR, they assume that you are as smart as they >>> are, >>> or were when they wrote something. >>> >>> So I'm for it, and I could devote some time to it here and there... >>> But, we have to overcome the challenges I mentioned. >>> >>> Thats my two cents. >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Wjhonson wrote: >>> The PickWiki is a place where code can be published, but I haven't seen even one case where code has been taken, enhanced, and put back. So it doesn't appear to be a good place for collaboration. If people however post code snippets here, or at comp.databases.pick there will be remarks and modifications within hours. Attempts at making Pick code collaboration projects have been mostly unsuccessful. Why? How can we create a true collaborative project and Would Anyone Come ? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> John Thompson >>> ___ >>> U2-Users mailing list >>> U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org >>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >>> >> > ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
Rex, I completely agree. You can't just build a site and expect people to show up and enjoy it. However MV FOSS repositories have been created predicated on the idea that the internet has been around for a while and most developers should already understand the value of community collaboration, FOSS, etc. The "grandiose, targeted result" is high quality, free software for all of us to simplify our lives and help our bottom line (whatever that might mean). It's assumed people already "get" that. The one or two people trying to admin a FOSS repository shouldn't also be charged with educating people on the value of FOSS. Most people pretend to support FOSS but they don't get the "free as in freedom" part, nor the "open source" part, they are enamored with "free as in beer". The message of the bazaar vs the cathedral has been around for a long time but Pick people just don't see it as applying to BASIC. Once again, it's a mindset of a community, not the fault or responsibility of people who do get it and who try to create resources to support others who also get it. To keep this all in context with this U2UG technical forum, I often wonder how many questions here could be eliminated or processed more quickly if only we could point to open source projects and documentation for examples, rather than answering every question like it was the first time it's been asked. Best, T > From: Rex Gozar > Collaborating just for the sake of collaborating is a > dead end. So is setting up an infrastructure with the > goal of simply encouraging collaboration. People need > to be excited about the *end results* and potential of > a project, and out of that group a tiny percentage > will want to actively contribute. I don't think past > collaboration projects died because of a lack of > proper infrastructure; they died because they lacked a > grandiose, targeted result. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Dynamic Connect TimeOut
You need the AUTOLOGOUT to kill off processes that are left behind if a user turns their PC off without disconnecting. So it's not a good idea to turn that off. That's why SBClient and I guess DC too send a keep-alive signal to the server. This worked fine under XP but on Win7 machines this doesn't seem to work any more. On 17/11/2011 12:56, asvin.datt...@hsbcib.com wrote: Hi, Have you checked the AUTOLOGOUT setting? AUTOLOGOUT Use AUTOLOGOUT to enable or disable automatic logout. With AUTOLOGOUT enabled, UniVerse logs you out automatically if you have not pressed a key within a specified time. SYNTAX AUTOLOGOUT [time] cheers, asvin u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org wrote on 16/11/2011 16:02:09: [image removed] [image removed] [U2] Dynamic Connect TimeOut Bill Brutzman to: U2 Users List 16/11/2011 16:02 Sent by: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org Please respond to U2 Users List A user here with a Windows 7 PC indicates that DC keeps logging him out... automatically. He says that he launches DC in the morning... minimizes it... comes back later... and is presented with the unix login prompt. We have UniVerse v10.3.6 running on HP-Ux 11i v2. This problem is new to me. I presume that he has a timeout parameter specified somewhere in theUx login. Help would be appreciated. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users HSBC Bank plc may be solicited in the course of its placement efforts for a new issue, by investment clients of the firm for whom the Bank as a firm already provides other services. It may equally decide to allocate to its own proprietary book or with an associate of HSBC Group. This represents a potential conflict of interest. HSBC Bank plc has internal arrangements designed to ensure that the firm would give unbiased and full advice to the corporate finance client about the valuation and pricing of the offering as well as internal systems, controls and procedures to identify and manage conflicts of interest. HSBC Bank plc Registered Office: 8 Canada Square, London E14 5HQ, United Kingdom Registered in England - Number 14259 Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. - SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT! This transmission has been issued by a member of the HSBC Group "HSBC" for the information of the addressee only and should not be reproduced and/or distributed to any other person. Each page attached hereto must be read in conjunction with any disclaimer which forms part of it. Unless otherwise stated, this transmission is neither an offer nor the solicitation of an offer to sell or purchase any investment. Its contents are based on information obtained from sources believed to be reliable but HSBC makes no representation and accepts no responsibility or liability as to its completeness or accuracy. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
Collaborating just for the sake of collaborating is a dead end. So is setting up an infrastructure with the goal of simply encouraging collaboration. People need to be excited about the *end results* and potential of a project, and out of that group a tiny percentage will want to actively contribute. I don't think past collaboration projects died because of a lack of proper infrastructure; they died because they lacked a grandiose, targeted result. rex ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Dynamic Connect TimeOut
Hi, Have you checked the AUTOLOGOUT setting? AUTOLOGOUT Use AUTOLOGOUT to enable or disable automatic logout. With AUTOLOGOUT enabled, UniVerse logs you out automatically if you have not pressed a key within a specified time. SYNTAX AUTOLOGOUT [time] cheers, asvin u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org wrote on 16/11/2011 16:02:09: > [image removed] > [image removed] > > [U2] Dynamic Connect TimeOut > > Bill Brutzman > > to: > > U2 Users List > > 16/11/2011 16:02 > > Sent by: > > u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org > > Please respond to U2 Users List > > A user here with a Windows 7 PC indicates that DC keeps logging him > out... automatically. > > He says that he launches DC in the morning... minimizes it... comes > back later... and is presented with the unix login prompt. > > We have UniVerse v10.3.6 running on HP-Ux 11i v2. > > This problem is new to me. > > I presume that he has a timeout parameter specified somewhere in theUx login. > > Help would be appreciated. > > --Bill > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users HSBC Bank plc may be solicited in the course of its placement efforts for a new issue, by investment clients of the firm for whom the Bank as a firm already provides other services. It may equally decide to allocate to its own proprietary book or with an associate of HSBC Group. This represents a potential conflict of interest. HSBC Bank plc has internal arrangements designed to ensure that the firm would give unbiased and full advice to the corporate finance client about the valuation and pricing of the offering as well as internal systems, controls and procedures to identify and manage conflicts of interest. HSBC Bank plc Registered Office: 8 Canada Square, London E14 5HQ, United Kingdom Registered in England - Number 14259 Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. - SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT! This transmission has been issued by a member of the HSBC Group "HSBC" for the information of the addressee only and should not be reproduced and/or distributed to any other person. Each page attached hereto must be read in conjunction with any disclaimer which forms part of it. Unless otherwise stated, this transmission is neither an offer nor the solicitation of an offer to sell or purchase any investment. Its contents are based on information obtained from sources believed to be reliable but HSBC makes no representation and accepts no responsibility or liability as to its completeness or accuracy. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
