Re: [U2] RE: Get a grip - was ads - was U2 University Last Week In Denver
sigh Jeee -- I cannot believe all this turmoil Dawn has pretty much laid out the way I feel -- I have a headache so I won't be as nice This IS supposed to be a community...so why the need for a separation in lists? Community members interact in many different ways... You CAN read, so if you scan the subject line and have no need for the info -- skip it -- and grow up -- if its U2 related in any way shape or form it may be useful to someone else even if you consider it an advertisement. If you deem that the subject line was misleading...unless you have severely limited brain activity I am sure you can surmise that after the first line or two. Restricting the list in a tight fisted mode is nothing short of removing yst from Analyst... If it's an advertisement regarding where to score some viagra -- well then that would be spam and that is what Chuck has realm over filtering it out. It's a pain watching over multiple lists -- been there, done that, monitored a forum on comp-u-snot years ago [gawd I'm dating myself] Tag schmag...how many of you have really looked at the tag verus the remaining subject line? If you subscribe to both do you really segregate the lists by them so you don't inadvertently open the wrong one? [if you do -- then I have a game by Milton-Bradley for you to buy-- LIFE] A little laughter never hurt anyone...sometimes it's what you need to lighten the mood when you are pulling your hair out over something heavy on the brain.. Ok going off on week long threads on silly stuff can be a bit much, but once again..if you are tired of the joke...SKIP IT One suggestion -- simply going to the well for information on a particular subject could use improved indexing and search functions. I have NEVER been able to extrapolate information from this list via a search...it's aggravating because, just like Prego...I know its in there! -- Debster -- Original message -- From: Dawn Wolthuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the history and mini-rant, Clif. While little differences of opinion like this recent one are common in e-mail communities, this type might be classified as the type found in communities that have more lock-down rules and are moderated in a way similar to ours. This might seem like a big leap, but I think my recommendation below is oddly related to the current chatter. Before stating this very risky recommendation (for me), I want to be clear and open on a few matters: 1) the following recommendation has a self-interest so that I can, once again, feel free to post to this list, one where I once enjoyed the interactions, but 2) this is not a recommendation that is exclusively out of self-interest. Even if I never post again, I think this will help u2-users be an even better community. As a past president and one of the founders of the U2UG, I would like to see a thriving, successful community of MV professionals here, with everyone who is interested feeling free to chat about relevant topics and even community-building topics that might be slightly to the side. 3) I will mention again that while I still have connections to U2 and am still a customer of the personal edition, I am focused on InterSystems Cache' right now, so like others on the list who might be working with OpenQM, jBASE, D3, Revelation, or other flavors of MultiValue as their primary toolset, my interests are not the same as someone with a U2 production printer problem, corrupt file, or looking for best practices for 24/7 with UniData, for example. I continue to do research on data models as one of my hobbies, however (exciting life I lead, eh?), in particular the relational model and Pick (aka the Nelson-Pick model, aka the MultiValue model) and have an interest in all aspects of MV and the MV community. Recommendation: I recommend that u2-community be closed down and that all with any interest in U2, whether as consultants, 3rd party vendors, VARs, end-customers, DBAs, systems analysts, network administrators, researchers, magazine editors, conference planners, or with any other angle are free to jump in and contribute. I further recommend that the moderators be free to focus on such matters as real abuses of the list, such as spammers or people who are truly offensive to the majority of readers with their postings, along with a regular posting of a FAQ, perhaps, with such items as requesting that folks put [AD] at the start of a subject line if they are doing a blatant ad and are free to skip it if not. If someone keeps forgetting this, they could be cyber-spanked (thanks for letting us know you coined that one, Clif) off-list before getting to an on-list notification. End of Recommendation Each time a moderator says something on the list, doing their jobs as they have been instructed, it reminds me how the community is one I once enjoyed,
[U2] ODBC on UD 7.3
Due to the change in the locking within ODBC UD 7x on AIX I am looking for alternatives in access methods regarding SQL Tables that reside between the above mentioned, and a Unisys box. Triggers were also being utilized. The new locking (just migrated) has rendered this no longer a viable option. The functions that utilize these tables are order entry, so it is real-time banging away from numerous locations. I would like to know what methods others use to access remote non MV systems where data is shared. -- Debster --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] RE: Get a grip - was ads - was U2 University Last Week In Denver
BTW -- if ALL you want is strictly technical information -- then RTFM, Tech Connect etc...I use this list to ask others for help regarding their personal experience and opinions on subject matters where I could not get the answers via those previously mentioned methods. If the answer includes suggestions on third party tools...then that may be truly the answer I was seeking. -- Debster -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sigh Jeee -- I cannot believe all this turmoil Dawn has pretty much laid out the way I feel -- I have a headache so I won't be as nice This IS supposed to be a community...so why the need for a separation in lists? Community members interact in many different ways... You CAN read, so if you scan the subject line and have no need for the info -- skip it -- and grow up -- if its U2 related in any way shape or form it may be useful to someone else even if you consider it an advertisement. If you deem that the subject line was misleading...unless you have severely limited brain activity I am sure you can surmise that after the first line or two. Restricting the list in a tight fisted mode is nothing short of removing yst from Analyst... If it's an advertisement regarding where to score some viagra -- well then that would be spam and that is what Chuck has realm over filtering it out. It's a pain watching over multiple lists -- been there, done that, monitored a forum on comp-u-snot years ago [gawd I'm dating myself] Tag schmag...how many of you have really looked at the tag verus the remaining subject line? If you subscribe to both do you really segregate the lists by them so you don't inadvertently open the wrong one? [if you do -- then I have a game by Milton-Bradley for you to buy-- LIFE] A little laughter never hurt anyone...sometimes it's what you need to lighten the mood when you are pulling your hair out over something heavy on the brain.. Ok going off on week long threads on silly stuff can be a bit much, but once again..if you are tired of the joke...SKIP IT One suggestion -- simply going to the well for information on a particular subject could use improved indexing and search functions. I have NEVER been able to extrapolate information from this list via a search...it's aggravating because, just like Prego...I know its in there! -- Debster -- Original message -- From: Dawn Wolthuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the history and mini-rant, Clif. While little differences of opinion like this recent one are common in e-mail communities, this type might be classified as the type found in communities that have more lock-down rules and are moderated in a way similar to ours. This might seem like a big leap, but I think my recommendation below is oddly related to the current chatter. Before stating this very risky recommendation (for me), I want to be clear and open on a few matters: 1) the following recommendation has a self-interest so that I can, once again, feel free to post to this list, one where I once enjoyed the interactions, but 2) this is not a recom mendation that is exclusively out of self-interest. Even if I never post again, I think this will help u2-users be an even better community. As a past president and one of the founders of the U2UG, I would like to see a thriving, successful community of MV professionals here, with everyone who is interested feeling free to chat about relevant topics and even community-building topics that might be slightly to the side. 3) I will mention again that while I still have connections to U2 and am still a customer of the personal edition, I am focused on InterSystems Cache' right now, so like others on the list who might be working with OpenQM, jBASE, D3, Revelation, or other flavors of MultiValue as their primary toolset, my interests are not the same as someone with a U2 production printer problem, corrupt file, or looking for best practices for 24/7 with UniData , for example. I continue to do research on data models as one of my hobbies, however (exciting life I lead, eh?), in particular the relational model and Pick (aka the Nelson-Pick model, aka the MultiValue model) and have an interest in all aspects of MV and the MV community. Recommendation: I recommend that u2-community be closed down and that all with any interest in U2, whether as consultants, 3rd party vendors, VARs, end-customers, DBAs, systems analysts, network administrators, researchers, magazine editors, conference planners, or with any other angle are free to jump in and contribute. I further recommend that the moderators be free to focus on such matters as real abuses of the list, such as spammers or people who are truly offensive to the majority of readers with their postings, along with a regular posting of a FAQ, perhaps, with such ite ms as requesting that
[U2] Taxware
ok Task at hand -- install the c version of Taxware on AIX 5.3 Unidata 6.x and interact on a transactional or batch basis. I saw Epicor listed as one of their partners --- so Anyone use Taxware (first data company)? Setup? How it interacts? Batch or transactional? Problems? Support raves/woes? -- Debster --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Trigger behavior
no problem -- I'm just frustrated It's a chicken or the egg thing -- Debster -- Original message -- From: john reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry for the misunderstand about the hash file, and dir. j On 10/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trigger is not ON a directory it is on a hash file where the trigger is also supposed to update a DIR file. Triggers cannot be on a directory in Unidata, but you are supposed to be able to effect a DIR type Considering that the problem only exists when coming in from the outside I suspect it has to do with Tuxedo from the other side Permissions? (but all other rights are fine on all Unidata files) ODBC can it be a buffer setting or something else? This is the first DIR type that the outside has access to so.. It DOES work successfully provided the person is not coming in from the outside. Hence my questioning buffers, effects of ODBC connections -- Debster -- Original message -- From: john reid Do you have triggers on other directories? I get the following when attempting to create a trigger on a directory, in Universe: CREATE TRIGGER TESTJ AFTER INSERT OR UPDATE OR DELETE ON JMRBP FOR EACH ROW CALL ING '*MAIN.TRIGGER'; UniVerse/SQL: Invalid file type specified. Warning: SICA information could not be read properly!! On 10/10/06, Debster wrote: Here is the scenario Remote non-pick box runs an ODBC process coming through Tuxedo Unidata 6.0/IAIX 5.x is running on the Pick box A file that contains a trigger is updated -- the trigger updates not only hashed files but also attempts to update a DIR type file. The DIR file cannot be opened or read from the remote non-pick system, the Hash files have no problem. Return code is 1 The DIR file Can be opened, read and written to from the pick side There are three flat files contained in this directory What type of OPEN/READ should be performed? By using the ODBC process are the remote users relagated to hash files? (i.e. perform as PICK type) Is it just permissions? ~ Debbie Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm -Syrus Publilius www.infinite-systems.net --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- john --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- john --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Trigger behavior
The trigger is not ON a directory it is on a hash file where the trigger is also supposed to update a DIR file. Triggers cannot be on a directory in Unidata, but you are supposed to be able to effect a DIR type Considering that the problem only exists when coming in from the outside I suspect it has to do with Tuxedo from the other side Permissions? (but all other rights are fine on all Unidata files) ODBC can it be a buffer setting or something else? This is the first DIR type that the outside has access to so.. It DOES work successfully provided the person is not coming in from the outside. Hence my questioning buffers, effects of ODBC connections -- Debster -- Original message -- From: john reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you have triggers on other directories? I get the following when attempting to create a trigger on a directory, in Universe: CREATE TRIGGER TESTJ AFTER INSERT OR UPDATE OR DELETE ON JMRBP FOR EACH ROW CALL ING '*MAIN.TRIGGER'; UniVerse/SQL: Invalid file type specified. Warning: SICA information could not be read properly!! On 10/10/06, Debster wrote: Here is the scenario Remote non-pick box runs an ODBC process coming through Tuxedo Unidata 6.0/IAIX 5.x is running on the Pick box A file that contains a trigger is updated -- the trigger updates not only hashed files but also attempts to update a DIR type file. The DIR file cannot be opened or read from the remote non-pick system, the Hash files have no problem. Return code is 1 The DIR file Can be opened, read and written to from the pick side There are three flat files contained in this directory What type of OPEN/READ should be performed? By using the ODBC process are the remote users relagated to hash files? (i.e. perform as PICK type) Is it just permissions? ~ Debbie Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm -Syrus Publilius www.infinite-systems.net --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- john --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] How can I find the RIGHT IBM Contact?????
Ok I'm really pretty much fed up... I placed a call to IBM 3 WEEKS ago after inheriting a pile of papers shoved into a folder loosely describing the existing systems. I KNOW one needs an upgrade, for both AIX Universe BUT...are they licensed for it? Is the media floating around the building? What upgrades are they eligible for? I KNOW maintenance was recently paid in Oct on at least one of the boxes... What was the infinite wisdom of NOT TYING all customer related items together??? (1 cust # for the hardware + 1 cust # for AIX + 1 cust # for Universe) x 2 = A Mess that requires more than 2 brain cells rubbed together to figure out. NOT ONE PERSON I CONTACTED CAN GIVE ME A CONCISE ANSWER!! Or even a smidgen of a clue as to where to turn...a close friend who just retired told me to call in a crash. I called support twice, first I was routed to a clueless sales rep who never returned a call...next support routed me to a sales rep whom I needed to call back who got an AIX person on the phone who --- believe meit was said... U2? To which I was forced to reply... In all the 20 years I have in this field I have observed time and time again that neither hardware sales, or underlying OS has a clue concerning the entire package. Its bad enough that rs/6000 people bicker with the As400 people and are clueless about what the other does. Its only the U2 people who have a clue about how the entire package goes together, the trickle down effect.. My only frustration is WHOM to contact within that realm... Grrr -- Debster --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Now who ever said you were allowed to export, massage, and then reimport with no validation? H...sounds like something I would like to have DONE to me.. -- Debster -- Original message -- Now here's something that I can give an opinion on without obvious bias. I fail to see the benefit of a feature that allows you to easily circumvent you ERP systems data input process. To easily allow users to export ERP data to a spreadsheet...massage the data...then re-import that data back into the database has at least two obvious problems to me. First, data integrity becomes marginal at best. Second, what is wrong with the ERP input process that requires the data to be changed by another outside process? Epicor does have apps that integrate back to the ERP database, but the data is run through the input processes as part of that integration. Users are advised that doing updates outside of these processes are done so at their own peril. I don't know about ISO compliance, but easy outside input to the database is frowned upon by the FDA, SEC, and SOX auditors. David Litzau Epicor Technical Support J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill H. Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:59 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Marc: It is possible that this sort of data movement is precisely the reason financial information, at numerous companies, is difficult to attest to, let alone use for analysis. :-) When I see this benefit (capability), red flags go up all over the place. It's like giving a gun to children...most will be ok but someone __WILL__ get hurt. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:41 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Being a Manage-2000 client, and having been an Oracle client in the past (10.x) and having seen a JD demo I must say of the t1 suppliers, they did put on a nice show. (They could export directly to excel, change data, and re import the data back into the erp) :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lettau, Jeff Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:55 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor So maybe Advante, Dataflo, infoflo, M2K and the like are not tier 1 multi-million dollar installs. But for ease of use and the ability to tweak the system to meet your needs. I'll take the tier 2 any day. Not intending to start an argument, but what can SAP or JD Edwards do that the smaller Epicor products can't do? What makes them worth the added cost? I don't' buy into that they can handle more users. That is mostly a matter of database management, hardware and infrastructure. You also have to consider who is buying what system and what their intensions are. What do you really get out of a standard SAP or JD Edwards install that you can't get from any system provided by Epicor or similar smaller priced package? I'm not being rhetorical.(again spell checker saves the day, I didn't know a word could start with rh.) P.s. you can get the Monitor Series at a Circuit city store or other high end audio stores near you! You can't seriously expect me to send you something for free! I can't get stuff for free. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debster Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:50 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Yes...and I was privy to M2K back when it went through ADP doors and was sold back out again -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:27 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor I believe that Jeff was speaking about Manage-2000. Polk audio, in addition to making great speakers, is a Manage-2000 user. Now if I could just get them to send a couple of studio monitors my way for the plug. ;-) When I was working for M2k under ROI Systems, there were several companies that choose it over JD, SAP as well as Epicor. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 12:39 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor X-Squeeze me But comparing Avante to JD Edwards Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot T-ball player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to
RE: [U2]: Epicor
sigh Why is it us against them? as in IT vs the Bean counters? Duh...that is where I always had my greatest problems as a project manager..getting IT and financial to play nice in the same sandbox. I hate to say it, but IT was always the worse of the two warring factions in this regard. YOU ALL WORK FOR THE SAME COMPANY An export tool has been used (and sometimes abused) for over 20 some odd years now. Accounting wants pivot tables etc...they can create presentations, they reformat and consolidate, and sometimes it is the only way to get consolidated financials from disparate systems. If you had no idea why or if Accounting ever wanted spreadsheets, ask..if you think they don't...you've been living under a rock -- Debster -- Original message -- Don: There are a number or current laws and regulations that attempt to rid public corporations of this kind of mismanagement. The result of these new regulations may not so much be the reduction of corporate financial and IT mismanagement, but the transfer of responsibility to lower level staff. :-( It may come to pass that you'll be held personally liable for someone else's indiscriminate business requirements. For those of us who think it is our role to provide others with the ability to trash the integrity of the organization's financial information; a rude awakening awaits! Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Kibbey Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:15 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Our resident Bean Counters have asked for and received several tools from me that will allow them to do the same thing to our system. It's our job to provide the sharp knives, the CPA types have to be carefull not to remove appendages with said tools. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2]: Epicor
It all boils down to Education and teams working together. If the powers that be see that IT does not cooperate then you get left out of the picture only to complain that decisions were made for you. Smart CFO's don't want to shell out for more than they have to, and that includes having to replace all the labor in IT because no one has the skill set to support their purchase. That happens when you have not proven any value to the overall progress of the company. They want results and they want them fast as possible with as little interruption to the business flow. Savvy companies now recognize IT's value and no longer consider it simply as a service department for the company. That accurate data is priceless -- Debster -- Original message -- Mostly true. But how many systems are being chosen by the beancounters because they're standard? Not because it helps to improve sales, manufacturing or operations, just accounting functions? And then sales/manufacturing/operations has to adopt to the new, improved system? If SAP and/or Oracle/Peoplesoft is that great, why are any other packages being bought? Rog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it us against them? as in IT vs the Bean counters? Duh...that is where I always had my greatest problems as a project manager..getting IT and financial to play nice in the same sandbox. I hate to say it, but IT was always the worse of the two warring factions in this regard. YOU ALL WORK FOR THE SAME COMPANY An export tool has been used (and sometimes abused) for over 20 some odd years now. Accounting wants pivot tables etc...they can create presentations, they reformat and consolidate, and sometimes it is the only way to get consolidated financials from disparate systems. If you had no idea why or if Accounting ever wanted spreadsheets, ask..if you think they don't...you've been living under a rock -- Debster --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
X-Squeeze me But comparing Avante to JD Edwards Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot T-ball player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to think that its playing with the big boys... -- Debster -- Original message -- There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just tend to lay low unless the discussion effects them directly. I can say a that there are a few people still in the Manage-2000 group that are very good with the interfaces to U2. From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good company for support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there will always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many times these bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the software slightly different. I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have and migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and database independent. Although making it database independent may be counter productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages. If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd say Epicor is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing environment. What are your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP? They are also trying to focus on integrating all of their other packages together into a complete solution. Kind of like cross selling. If you run ERP and want CRM then they want to integrate the 2. They have many initiatives that are good ideas, in my humble opinion, but it will take them years to make it work. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone within Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest in U2 which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't with U2 in general. Will Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] AD Universe/Unidata Programmer Wanted
We don't know how to transfer phone calls in-house either -- Debster -- Original message -- We are programming experts, not email experts :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:50 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] AD Universe/Unidata Programmer Wanted Helloo? Why are you people sending your replies to the list? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] LOOP or GOTO on READNEXT
ahhh yesand Avante/SB+ in their infinite wisdom...zippo gosubs in paragraphs...lets repeat ourselves unecessairly! -- Debster -- Original message -- I love it when folks use a loop to add up vm's. And not the simple Sum command. Seen that a bit in the code I work in. Goto's never bother me. I came from a 4GL language called Ezgen, and it only had GO'tos. Had no such thing as gosub. The only way to do a gosub type is to make it a called program. We did that for routines that are used multiple times, no gosubs. I am getting out of the habit and only use go-tos' when I really feel there is cause. Took a bit though :). Thanks, Marilyn A. Hilb Value Part, Inc Direct: 847-918-6099 Fax: 847-367-1892 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.valuepart.com -Original Message- From: Peter D Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 9:12 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] LOOP or GOTO on READNEXT the use of goto's or lack of shouldn't be a judge of sloppy coding . sloppy coding is just sloppy coding. remember one persons slop is another persons pudding :) example 1: y=0 loop readnext z else y = 1 if y = 1 then exit do stuff repeat more stuff vs example 2: 10: readnext claim_id else goto 20 do stuff goto 10 20: more stuff vs example 3 loop readnext claim_id else exit do stuff repeat more stuff LoopForEver This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] LOOP or GOTO on READNEXT
Oh please God no -- Debster -- Original message -- On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:07:38 -0700 (MST), you wrote: Why does creating a new file make it faster? Couple reasons. Mostly because you're not deleting the original, which means fewer disk accesses. Remember that until the file's reclaimed, a delete is actually a mark as deleted, not a physical removal. -- Allen Egerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [Ad] Universe/Unidata Programmer Needed - Denver
Well heck...this is the OTHER side of outsourcing... The market shrinks, the pool does not, lets watch the fish go wild over a smaller piece of bait.. If you think that is bad...how about a offer of 35.00 per hour contract rate from IBM Global Services for a Project Management Position implementing JD Edwards financials AND Manufacturing? If that ain't a humdinger...its worse than when Headhunters finally realized they could make money off consultants instead of insisting on Full Time.. But..in all seriousness Mark..(and sadly the rest was also) you also need to look at the market in a particular geographical area... -- Debster -- Original message -- And this negative attitude serves what value, exactly? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 7:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] [Ad] Universe/Unidata Programmer Needed - Denver All this and it probably pays $45K max. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 7:07 PM Subject: [U2] [Ad] Universe/Unidata Programmer Needed - Denver Small healthcare organization in Denver seeking a individual with strong Universe/Unidata background. This person will enhance and maintain existing statewide hospital discharge database. This position will have a major role in all phases of program development and maintenance. Technical Requirements; - 5+ years of direct development, analysis and design in Universe/Unidata. - 5+ years experience with System Builder and SBClient. - Proficiency with RedBack, ASP, VBscript, Javascript, Visual Basic - Experience with SPSS, SAS, or similar statistical package - Experience with MITS or other OLAP product - Ability to develop technical designs, processes, and data flow diagrams - Understanding of interactions and dependencies between applications, operating systems, and operational support technologies This is a full time position with full benefits based in Denver. Prefer BS in computer science, math. No telecommuting. No third parties. Email resume to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
