Re: [U2] Why Pick Eclipse?

[Symeon Breen]

If you are doing droid dev - DO NOT USE ECLIPSE  - use jetbrains intellij -
there is a free version- this is the premier java dev env ,not eclipse. It
is geared up for android, and certainly makes much more sense (esp if you
are used to VS)

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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Steve Romanow
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Subject: Re: [U2] Why Pick Eclipse?

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Doug Averch  wrote:
> Steve:
>
> I think you skimmed the article see:
>
> "The upside is, after acclimating to Eclipse, you’ll enjoy some seriously
> amazing, productivity-boosting code completion, refactoring, and automatic
> fixing. It’ll basically write your code for you."
>
> I think the real problem is that we expect Eclipse to be light weight like
> ED/AE, vi, EMACS, Notepad, or whatever.  Well it is an full IDE and with
it
> comes incredible power.  The cost is nominal is today's world where I'm
> using a Windows 7 box with 8 gb of memory and 2 250 gb of hard disk space
> workstation.  However, my Java programmer has our Eclipse running on his
> NetBook with 1 gb of memory he paid under $300.00 for it.
>

I would use your editor before BDT.  I have that functionality already
available to me in vim so I am not in the market for a U2 editor.

I am starting to dabble in droid development so i am on the hunt for
that development stack.

Acclimating to raw eclipse may take me a while, but it is _the
supported_ stack endorsed by google.

A friend made me aware of Aptana, which from their description is
"eclipse with focus" which from first impressions looks very
palatable.  Every editor I mentioned can be configured with code
completion.  Auto-fixing and write my code for me? no thanks.  Wear
out my backspace enough as it is with autocorrect on my droid and in
msft office.

I do wish you the best of luck and have no fault with charging for
software.  Just doing a reality check with some of that devs in the
list have not seen some of the other offerings out there.
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Re: [U2] Why Pick Eclipse?

[Steve Romanow]

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Brian Leach  wrote:
> Aptana is now owned by Appcelerator as part of their Titanium platform.
>
> If you're wanting to use that for Droid work email me off-list: I got so fed 
> up trying to get Titanium and Android to play nicely (and their forums are 
> full of people with the same problems) that one I got it all working I 
> started writing a guide to getting up and running specifically for Droid 
> developers so save some pain.
>
> Brian
>
>
> Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad
>
> Steve Romanow  wrote:
>
>>On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Doug Averch  wrote:
>>> Steve:
>>>
>>> I think you skimmed the article see:
>>>
>>> "The upside is, after acclimating to Eclipse, you’ll enjoy some seriously
>>> amazing, productivity-boosting code completion, refactoring, and automatic
>>> fixing. It’ll basically write your code for you."
>>>
>>> I think the real problem is that we expect Eclipse to be light weight like
>>> ED/AE, vi, EMACS, Notepad, or whatever.  Well it is an full IDE and with it
>>> comes incredible power.  The cost is nominal is today's world where I'm
>>> using a Windows 7 box with 8 gb of memory and 2 250 gb of hard disk space
>>> workstation.  However, my Java programmer has our Eclipse running on his
>>> NetBook with 1 gb of memory he paid under $300.00 for it.
>>>
>>
>>I would use your editor before BDT.  I have that functionality already
>>available to me in vim so I am not in the market for a U2 editor.
>>
>>I am starting to dabble in droid development so i am on the hunt for
>>that development stack.
>>
>>Acclimating to raw eclipse may take me a while, but it is _the
>>supported_ stack endorsed by google.
>>
>>A friend made me aware of Aptana, which from their description is
>>"eclipse with focus" which from first impressions looks very
>>palatable.  Every editor I mentioned can be configured with code
>>completion.  Auto-fixing and write my code for me? no thanks.  Wear
>>out my backspace enough as it is with autocorrect on my droid and in
>>msft office.
>>
>>I do wish you the best of luck and have no fault with charging for
>>software.  Just doing a reality check with some of that devs in the
>>list have not seen some of the other offerings out there.
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Cool, thank you Brian.  My friend Ben worked out a similar list that
he emailed me.  We should consolidate this somewhere.
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Re: [U2] Why Pick Eclipse?

[Brian Leach]

Aptana is now owned by Appcelerator as part of their Titanium platform.

If you're wanting to use that for Droid work email me off-list: I got so fed up 
trying to get Titanium and Android to play nicely (and their forums are full of 
people with the same problems) that one I got it all working I started writing 
a guide to getting up and running specifically for Droid developers so save 
some pain.

Brian


Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad

Steve Romanow  wrote:

>On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Doug Averch  wrote:
>> Steve:
>>
>> I think you skimmed the article see:
>>
>> "The upside is, after acclimating to Eclipse, you’ll enjoy some seriously
>> amazing, productivity-boosting code completion, refactoring, and automatic
>> fixing. It’ll basically write your code for you."
>>
>> I think the real problem is that we expect Eclipse to be light weight like
>> ED/AE, vi, EMACS, Notepad, or whatever.  Well it is an full IDE and with it
>> comes incredible power.  The cost is nominal is today's world where I'm
>> using a Windows 7 box with 8 gb of memory and 2 250 gb of hard disk space
>> workstation.  However, my Java programmer has our Eclipse running on his
>> NetBook with 1 gb of memory he paid under $300.00 for it.
>>
>
>I would use your editor before BDT.  I have that functionality already
>available to me in vim so I am not in the market for a U2 editor.
>
>I am starting to dabble in droid development so i am on the hunt for
>that development stack.
>
>Acclimating to raw eclipse may take me a while, but it is _the
>supported_ stack endorsed by google.
>
>A friend made me aware of Aptana, which from their description is
>"eclipse with focus" which from first impressions looks very
>palatable.  Every editor I mentioned can be configured with code
>completion.  Auto-fixing and write my code for me? no thanks.  Wear
>out my backspace enough as it is with autocorrect on my droid and in
>msft office.
>
>I do wish you the best of luck and have no fault with charging for
>software.  Just doing a reality check with some of that devs in the
>list have not seen some of the other offerings out there.
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Re: [U2] Why Pick Eclipse?

[Steve Romanow]

Funny story about auto-correct.  Last week my team had to think I was
drinking on the job or otherwise incapacitated with the gibberish I
was emailing from my phone without proofing acceptably because of
SwiftKeyX auto correction.  bah.
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Re: [U2] Why Pick Eclipse?

[Steve Romanow]

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Doug Averch  wrote:
> Steve:
>
> I think you skimmed the article see:
>
> "The upside is, after acclimating to Eclipse, you’ll enjoy some seriously
> amazing, productivity-boosting code completion, refactoring, and automatic
> fixing. It’ll basically write your code for you."
>
> I think the real problem is that we expect Eclipse to be light weight like
> ED/AE, vi, EMACS, Notepad, or whatever.  Well it is an full IDE and with it
> comes incredible power.  The cost is nominal is today's world where I'm
> using a Windows 7 box with 8 gb of memory and 2 250 gb of hard disk space
> workstation.  However, my Java programmer has our Eclipse running on his
> NetBook with 1 gb of memory he paid under $300.00 for it.
>

I would use your editor before BDT.  I have that functionality already
available to me in vim so I am not in the market for a U2 editor.

I am starting to dabble in droid development so i am on the hunt for
that development stack.

Acclimating to raw eclipse may take me a while, but it is _the
supported_ stack endorsed by google.

A friend made me aware of Aptana, which from their description is
"eclipse with focus" which from first impressions looks very
palatable.  Every editor I mentioned can be configured with code
completion.  Auto-fixing and write my code for me? no thanks.  Wear
out my backspace enough as it is with autocorrect on my droid and in
msft office.

I do wish you the best of luck and have no fault with charging for
software.  Just doing a reality check with some of that devs in the
list have not seen some of the other offerings out there.
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Re: [U2] Why Pick Eclipse?

[Charlie Noah]

Hi Doug,

With all due respect, I have a favor to ask. Would you quote the post 
you're replying to? It would help greatly with context.


Thanks,

Charlie Noah
Charles W. Noah Associates
cwn...@comcast.net



The views and opinions expressed herein are my own (Charlie Noah) and do 
not necessarily reflect the views, positions or policies of any of my 
former, current or future employers, employees, clients, friends, 
enemies or anyone else who might take exception to them.



On 08-02-2011 10:12 AM, Doug Averch wrote:

Steve:

I think you skimmed the article see:

"The upside is, after acclimating to Eclipse, you’ll enjoy some seriously
amazing, productivity-boosting code completion, refactoring, and automatic
fixing. It’ll basically write your code for you."

I think the real problem is that we expect Eclipse to be light weight like
ED/AE, vi, EMACS, Notepad, or whatever.  Well it is an full IDE and with it
comes incredible power.  The cost is nominal is today's world where I'm
using a Windows 7 box with 8 gb of memory and 2 250 gb of hard disk space
workstation.  However, my Java programmer has our Eclipse running on his
NetBook with 1 gb of memory he paid under $300.00 for it.

All of the editing of program is done on my workstation.  If I need to
search thousands of programs for a piece of syntax or other program that are
using this bit of code, it all happens on my workstation in seconds with
impacting the server running Universe or Unidata.

I can guarantee you will be more productive and will have less errors in you
code.  How do you say I can say that.  Well I've been on Eclipse since 2004
and each year, even though I'm getting older, my tools are getting smarter
and my code is getting leaner.

Our tool is updated about every 3 or 4 weeks with bug fixes and
enhancements. Do the other tools have that type of release cycle?  Nope.
  The only ones that are releasing software that often are now browsers. See
Firefox, Safari, and Chrome.

Lets talk about productivity.  I want to know where this variable named.  I
can hit control-K once it is highlighted in the code.  Or I can use the
Outline and click on each line to see how it being used.  This means with
a minute or two I know the scope of the variable and where it used.  This
means I have less problems with stepping on variables I should not be doing.

BDT is free along with the other Eclipse based tools from Rocket Software.
I tried free and did not make a dime. I could go on, but I already have done
that in the two classes I taught this year at CMUG using Eclipse.

Regards,
Doug
www.u2logic.com/tools.html
"XLr8Editor is still $49.00 per year per workstation"
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Re: [U2] Why Pick Eclipse?

[Doug Averch]

Steve:

I think you skimmed the article see:

"The upside is, after acclimating to Eclipse, you’ll enjoy some seriously
amazing, productivity-boosting code completion, refactoring, and automatic
fixing. It’ll basically write your code for you."

I think the real problem is that we expect Eclipse to be light weight like
ED/AE, vi, EMACS, Notepad, or whatever.  Well it is an full IDE and with it
comes incredible power.  The cost is nominal is today's world where I'm
using a Windows 7 box with 8 gb of memory and 2 250 gb of hard disk space
workstation.  However, my Java programmer has our Eclipse running on his
NetBook with 1 gb of memory he paid under $300.00 for it.

All of the editing of program is done on my workstation.  If I need to
search thousands of programs for a piece of syntax or other program that are
using this bit of code, it all happens on my workstation in seconds with
impacting the server running Universe or Unidata.

I can guarantee you will be more productive and will have less errors in you
code.  How do you say I can say that.  Well I've been on Eclipse since 2004
and each year, even though I'm getting older, my tools are getting smarter
and my code is getting leaner.

Our tool is updated about every 3 or 4 weeks with bug fixes and
enhancements. Do the other tools have that type of release cycle?  Nope.
 The only ones that are releasing software that often are now browsers. See
Firefox, Safari, and Chrome.

Lets talk about productivity.  I want to know where this variable named.  I
can hit control-K once it is highlighted in the code.  Or I can use the
Outline and click on each line to see how it being used.  This means with
a minute or two I know the scope of the variable and where it used.  This
means I have less problems with stepping on variables I should not be doing.

BDT is free along with the other Eclipse based tools from Rocket Software.
I tried free and did not make a dime. I could go on, but I already have done
that in the two classes I taught this year at CMUG using Eclipse.

Regards,
Doug
www.u2logic.com/tools.html
"XLr8Editor is still $49.00 per year per workstation"
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[U2] Why Pick Eclipse?

[Steve Romanow]

Someone on G+ had a post that summed up some of the angst I have
regarding Eclipse.  I think its the overbearing framework followed by
thin plugins.

http://nfarina.com/post/8239634061/ios-to-android

Eclipse has some strong points, but I think some of the apps (plugins)
I have tried had less functionality that free-standing competing apps.

Some examples:

Editor - pydev, bdt, eclim, {insert other editing widget for eclipse here} vs
Any product by JetBrains, Emacs, VIM, Textmate, heck UltraEdit on win32.

For pure editing, all of these competitors have tons of features they
bring to the table.

The major thing BDT and others bring to the table are using u2 rpc and
svn.  Most of the editors I list also have a network layer, or just
using plain Samba on your dir file full of u2 src code.  There are
also dozens of ways to use git, svn, hg, etc.
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Re: [U2] Why Pick Eclipse ?

[Steve Romanow]

Not a fan of any of them.  Slow, clunky.  BDT, are you kidding.  I'll use
edlin first.
On Jul 14, 2011 6:24 PM, "Bill Brutzman"  wrote:
> When looking at an Eclipse app, it might be a good idea to put sunglasses
on first... maybe some special optical apparatus.
>
> There is...
>
> O Rocket's BDT
> O u2Logic's xLR8
> O Adobe Flex Builder
> O Adobe ColdFusion Builder 2
> O Hundreds of Others
>
> "Even a blind man knows when the sun is shinin."
>
> --B
>
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> When i look at an eclipse application I see 80% ui that is not relevant to
the task at hand.
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Re: [U2] Why Pick Eclipse ?

[Bill Brutzman]

When looking at an Eclipse app, it might be a good idea to put sunglasses on 
first... maybe some special optical apparatus.

There is...

O Rocket's BDT
O u2Logic's xLR8
O Adobe Flex Builder
O Adobe ColdFusion Builder 2
O Hundreds of Others

"Even a blind man knows when the sun is shinin."

--B

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When i look at an eclipse application I see 80% ui that is not relevant to the 
task at hand.  
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