Re: GUI or Event ? as nice as character-based
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/19/2004 11:59:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does the requirement to have no client-side setup (other than pointing a user to a web page in a std web browser) eliminate accuterm or not? If not, then does this permit drop-down boxes, combo boxes, calendars for date entry and the usual icons one might expect for various features? I'm talking about the U2 database, but the tools on the mv side need not be more than UOJ, for example (with support for update of stored fields and preferably also virtual fields as read-only). yes Dawn, Accuterm does support a web browser interface I've not worked closely with that implementation, I usually use the telnet terminal emulator thingie. But I did dink around with it slightly just to make sure it works. I would expect since its running in a browser that you could do any java thingies you do with any other page if you want Or any HTML or whatever. Will Well, in the demo page (http://www.asent.com/atguidemo5.htm ) it seems to use Activex in the web browser. Not just HTML. And it does not work on my Mozilla. So I don't think that it could be used on other OS than Windows/IE... -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI or Event ? as nice as character-based
Does the requirement to have no client-side setup (other than pointing a user to a web page in a std web browser) eliminate accuterm or not? If not, then does this permit drop-down boxes, combo boxes, calendars for date entry and the usual icons one might expect for various features? I'm talking about the U2 database, but the tools on the mv side need not be more than UOJ, for example (with support for update of stored fields and preferably also virtual fields as read-only). Thanks. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:28 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: GUI or Event ? as nice as character-based Clarify. Are you talking about *within* the mv environment? Or an outside app? Accuterm has the ability to recognize where a mouse-click is in regards to (col, row). This is the same col, row that PRINT @ uses. Now if your mv programs have a single, standard INPUT subroutine then you can simply modify that subroutine. So your modification would look something like If I.am.using.accuterm then if mouseclick then get.location; determine.which.field; reset fieldno = this.field redo.input = true; return end end else input xxx end Or something along those lines. I have only seen one application package that integrated this ability, however, the screen drivers it built allowed the user to point-and-click and enter data into any field in any order on the screen. It was then up to the programmer to ensure that intra-field dependencies were properly handled. But it was certainly a good start. Is that what you meant? Will In a message dated 4/19/2004 2:17:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I haven't gotten through all of the postings in the GUI thread as yet, but am working on the question of how to write a GUI that is as good as a green screen from the perspective of folks currently using a green screen application. I saw hints at that, but nothing that tackled it from the standpoint of being able to use any tools on the market today to accomplish this (no need to retain databasic code, for example). What could be used to actually replace, completely, the character screens? Requirements: 0) work with U2 as multiuser databases 1) Be able to use any Windows, new Mac (unix) or Linux client 2) Have graphically attractive colorful screens, looking enough like standard GUIs (M$, in particular) that users would understand the use of icons, etc. 3) Respond to keystrokes by users -- not only to the click of a submit button 4) Require no preparation of the client computers in advance of using the software, likely directing user to a web page. 5) type ahead can be done so that the user is not waiting constantly for the computer to respond 6) Heads down data entry folks are as happy with this as they were with their green screens when they first got those and have only minor complaints if converting now from a green screen, none of substance What are the options -- who has written or seen such a GUI? --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: GUI or Event ? as nice as character-based
Isn't that what System Builder did (does) with its sbclient software? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:27 PM Subject: Re: GUI or Event ? as nice as character-based Clarify. Are you talking about *within* the mv environment? Or an outside app? Accuterm has the ability to recognize where a mouse-click is in regards to (col, row). This is the same col, row that PRINT @ uses. Now if your mv programs have a single, standard INPUT subroutine then you can simply modify that subroutine. So your modification would look something like If I.am.using.accuterm then if mouseclick then get.location; determine.which.field; reset fieldno = this.field redo.input = true; return end end else input xxx end Or something along those lines. I have only seen one application package that integrated this ability, however, the screen drivers it built allowed the user to point-and-click and enter data into any field in any order on the screen. It was then up to the programmer to ensure that intra-field dependencies were properly handled. But it was certainly a good start. Is that what you meant? Will In a message dated 4/19/2004 2:17:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I haven't gotten through all of the postings in the GUI thread as yet, but am working on the question of how to write a GUI that is as good as a green screen from the perspective of folks currently using a green screen application. I saw hints at that, but nothing that tackled it from the standpoint of being able to use any tools on the market today to accomplish this (no need to retain databasic code, for example). What could be used to actually replace, completely, the character screens? Requirements: 0) work with U2 as multiuser databases 1) Be able to use any Windows, new Mac (unix) or Linux client 2) Have graphically attractive colorful screens, looking enough like standard GUIs (M$, in particular) that users would understand the use of icons, etc. 3) Respond to keystrokes by users -- not only to the click of a submit button 4) Require no preparation of the client computers in advance of using the software, likely directing user to a web page. 5) type ahead can be done so that the user is not waiting constantly for the computer to respond 6) Heads down data entry folks are as happy with this as they were with their green screens when they first got those and have only minor complaints if converting now from a green screen, none of substance What are the options -- who has written or seen such a GUI? --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: GUI or Event ? as nice as character-based
In a message dated 4/19/2004 11:59:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does the requirement to have no client-side setup (other than pointing a user to a web page in a std web browser) eliminate accuterm or not? If not, then does this permit drop-down boxes, combo boxes, calendars for date entry and the usual icons one might expect for various features? I'm talking about the U2 database, but the tools on the mv side need not be more than UOJ, for example (with support for update of stored fields and preferably also virtual fields as read-only). yes Dawn, Accuterm does support a web browser interface I've not worked closely with that implementation, I usually use the telnet terminal emulator thingie. But I did dink around with it slightly just to make sure it works. I would expect since its running in a browser that you could do any java thingies you do with any other page if you want Or any HTML or whatever. Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
