Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett
"Up to 125 Mbps capacity" 




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- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:49:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 



With a pair of 20mhz channels (or even a 10 and a 20), it would certainly be 
worthwhile... with 3550-3650 it would definitely make sense. 

If I remember correctly, PTP450 in 3.65 is pretty close to the same price as 
AF5... maybe a bit less. I think they claim something like 125Mbps... so yeah, 
airfiber would probably perform better, even if it was limited to half duplex. 




From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:21 PM 
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 




It's possible they could get AF certified in a pair of 20 mhz channels and 
1024QAM. That should do ~250Mbps FD . I would expect between $2000-$3000 per 
link. 

What does a PTP 450 in 3.65 run price wise? P erformance? 
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 05:09 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: 


Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be possible 
in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm not sure it 
would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now with a 3.65 
PTP450.

I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I 
they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current products 
being made to work with the new rules.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com ]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up 
to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better.

If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out first.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com> On 12/16/2014 
04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of
spectrum :/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard"  
<mailto:mat...@litewire.net> wrote:



 I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...
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*Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM
*To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org> *Subject:* Re: 
[Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

  AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80
and 160MHz wide channels.

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com> On 12/16/2014 
03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:

Would solve some BH issues.



Thanks.









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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Mathew Howard
With a pair of 20mhz channels (or even a 10 and a 20), it would certainly be 
worthwhile... with 3550-3650 it would definitely make sense.

If I remember correctly, PTP450 in 3.65 is pretty close to the same price as 
AF5... maybe a bit less. I think they claim something like 125Mbps... so yeah, 
airfiber would probably perform better, even if it was limited to half duplex.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:21 PM
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

It's possible they could get AF certified in a pair of 20mhz channels and 
1024QAM. That should do ~250Mbps FD. I would expect between $2000-$3000 per 
link.

What does a PTP450 in 3.65 run price wise? Performance?

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/16/2014 05:09 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be possible 
in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm not sure it 
would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now with a 3.65 
PTP450.

I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I 
they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current products 
being made to work with the new rules.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf 
of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com<mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up 
to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better.

If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out first.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: 
www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com><http://www.spitwspots.com><http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/16/2014 04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of
spectrum :/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
<mailto:mat...@litewire.net><mailto:mat...@litewire.net><mailto:mat...@litewire.net>
 wrote:



 I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...
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*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

  AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80
and 160MHz wide channels.

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: 
www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com><http://www.spitwspots.com><http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:

Would solve some BH issues.



Thanks.









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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett
The ePMP is faster than the PMP, just uses more spectrum. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:45:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 


The force110 ptp is 220 megs so I'm sure the 450 meets or exceeds. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Dec 16, 2014 9:43 PM, "Mike Hammett" < wispaubntus...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




I'm guessing ~100 megs HDX as that's what the PMP450 does. Not sure price wise. 




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From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@spitwspots.com > 
To: "ubnt users" < ubnt_users@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:21:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 


It's possible they could get AF certified in a pair of 20 mhz channels and 
1024QAM. That should do ~250Mbps FD . I would expect between $2000-$3000 per 
link. 

What does a PTP 450 in 3.65 run price wise? P erformance? 
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 05:09 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: 


Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be possible 
in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm not sure it 
would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now with a 3.65 
PTP450.

I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I 
they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current products 
being made to work with the new rules.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com ]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up 
to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better.

If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out first.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com> On 12/16/2014 
04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of
spectrum :/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard"  
<mailto:mat...@litewire.net> wrote:



 I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...
 --
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ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> ] on
behalf of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com <mailto:j...@spitwspots.com> ]
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM
*To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org> *Subject:* Re: 
[Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

  AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80
and 160MHz wide channels.

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com> On 12/16/2014 
03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:

Would solve some BH issues.



Thanks.









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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman
The force110 ptp is 220 megs so I'm sure the 450 meets or exceeds.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 16, 2014 9:43 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> I'm guessing ~100 megs HDX as that's what the PMP450 does. Not sure price
> wise.
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> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
> *To: *"ubnt users" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:21:59 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
>
> It's possible they could get AF certified in a pair of 20mhz channels and
> 1024QAM. That should do ~250Mbps FD. I would expect between $2000-$3000
> per link.
>
> What does a PTP450 in 3.65 run price wise? Performance?
>
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>
> On 12/16/2014 05:09 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be 
> possible in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm 
> not sure it would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now 
> with a 3.65 PTP450.
>
> I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I 
> they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current 
> products being made to work with the new rules.
>
> ____________
> From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
> of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM
> To: Ubiquiti Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
>
> A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up 
> to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better.
>
> If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out 
> first.
>
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com> 
> <http://www.spitwspots.com>
>
> On 12/16/2014 04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of
> spectrum :/
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard"  
> <mailto:mat...@litewire.net>  wrote:
>
>
>
>  I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...
>  ------
> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> 
>  
> [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> 
> ] on
> behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com<mailto:j...@spitwspots.com> 
> ]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM
> *To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org> 
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
>
>   AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80
> and 160MHz wide channels.
>
> 3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.
>
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com> 
> <http://www.spitwspots.com>
>
> On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:
>
> Would solve some BH issues.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Sorry. I just knew it was higher than AF24. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:43:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 



AF5 can actually do QAM1024. 



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:41 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 




AF5 is QAM256. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:39:53 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 


Isn't AF24 QAM64? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
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On Dec 16, 2014 9:38 PM, "Mike Hammett" < wispaubntus...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




and higher QAM and ditching that 802.11 overhead. 




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From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" < ubnt_users@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:30:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 


With all 25 MHz? I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of 
spectrum :/ 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard" < mat...@litewire.net > wrote: 





I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point... 



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com ] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM 
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 




AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 
160MHz wide channels. 

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz. 
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson 
(airCloud) wrote: 


Would solve some BH issues.

 

Thanks. 

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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Mathew Howard
AF5 can actually do QAM1024.

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Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

AF5 is QAM256.



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From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:39:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios


Isn't AF24 QAM64?

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On Dec 16, 2014 9:38 PM, "Mike Hammett" 
mailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
and higher QAM and ditching that 802.11 overhead.



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From: "Josh Luthman" 
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To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:30:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios


With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of 
spectrum :/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote:
I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...

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[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf 
of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com<mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>]
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To: ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 
160MHz wide channels.

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
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On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:

Would solve some BH issues.



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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm guessing ~100 megs HDX as that's what the PMP450 does. Not sure price wise. 




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From: "Josh Reynolds"  
To: "ubnt users"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:21:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 


It's possible they could get AF certified in a pair of 20 mhz channels and 
1024QAM. That should do ~250Mbps FD . I would expect between $2000-$3000 per 
link. 

What does a PTP 450 in 3.65 run price wise? P erformance? 
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 05:09 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: 


Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be possible 
in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm not sure it 
would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now with a 3.65 
PTP450.

I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I 
they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current products 
being made to work with the new rules.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com ]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up 
to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better.

If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out first.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com> On 12/16/2014 
04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of
spectrum :/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard"  
<mailto:mat...@litewire.net> wrote:



 I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...
 --
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ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> ] on
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*To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org> *Subject:* Re: 
[Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

  AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80
and 160MHz wide channels.

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
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03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:

Would solve some BH issues.



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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Reynolds
It's possible they could get AF certified in a pair of 20mhzchannels and 
1024QAM. That should do ~250Mbps FD. I would expect between $2000-$3000 
per link.


What does a PTP450 in 3.65 runprice wise? Performance?

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/16/2014 05:09 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be possible 
in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm not sure it 
would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now with a 3.65 
PTP450.

I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I 
they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current products 
being made to work with the new rules.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up 
to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better.

If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out first.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/16/2014 04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of
spectrum :/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
<mailto:mat...@litewire.net> wrote:



  I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...
  --
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behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com<mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>]
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM
*To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

   AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80
and 160MHz wide channels.

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:

Would solve some BH issues.



Thanks.









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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett
AF5 is QAM256. 




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From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:39:53 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 


Isn't AF24 QAM64? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Dec 16, 2014 9:38 PM, "Mike Hammett" < wispaubntus...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




and higher QAM and ditching that 802.11 overhead. 




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From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" < ubnt_users@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:30:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 


With all 25 MHz? I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of 
spectrum :/ 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard" < mat...@litewire.net > wrote: 





I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point... 



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com ] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM 
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 




AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 
160MHz wide channels. 

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz. 
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson 
(airCloud) wrote: 


Would solve some BH issues.

 

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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Isn't AF24 QAM64?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Dec 16, 2014 9:38 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> and higher QAM and ditching that 802.11 overhead.
>
>
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> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:30:46 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
>
> With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of
> spectrum :/
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>
>>  I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...
>>  --
>> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on
>> behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM
>> *To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
>>
>>   AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80
>> and 160MHz wide channels.
>>
>> 3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.
>>
>> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>
>> On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:
>>
>> Would solve some BH issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett
and higher QAM and ditching that 802.11 overhead. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:30:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 


With all 25 MHz? I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of 
spectrum :/ 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard" < mat...@litewire.net > wrote: 





I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point... 



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com ] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM 
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios 




AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 
160MHz wide channels. 

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz. 
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson 
(airCloud) wrote: 


Would solve some BH issues.

 

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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Mathew Howard
Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be possible 
in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm not sure it 
would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now with a 3.65 
PTP450.

I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I 
they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current products 
being made to work with the new rules.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up 
to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better.

If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out first.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/16/2014 04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of
spectrum :/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
<mailto:mat...@litewire.net> wrote:



 I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...
 --
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[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on
behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com<mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>]
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM
*To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

  AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80
and 160MHz wide channels.

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:

Would solve some BH issues.



Thanks.









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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Reynolds
A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push 
that up to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better.


If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play 
out first.


josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/16/2014 04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of
spectrum :/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:


  I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...
  --
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behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM
*To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

   AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80
and 160MHz wide channels.

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
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On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:

Would solve some BH issues.



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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman
With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of
spectrum :/

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On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

>  I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...
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>   AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80
> and 160MHz wide channels.
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> 3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.
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> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
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> On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:
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> Would solve some BH issues.
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> Thanks.
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Mathew Howard
I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...

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Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM
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AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 
160MHz wide channels.

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:

Would solve some BH issues.



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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Reynolds
AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 
and 160MHz wide channels.


3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
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On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:

Would solve some BH issues.

  


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[Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

2014-12-16 Thread Jerry Richardson (airCloud)
Would solve some BH issues.

 

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