Re: [ubuntu-art] Goodbye
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Thorsten Wilms t...@freenet.de wrote: There's not much a of a reason left for this team, not much, if anything, to actually collaborate on. The current round of wallpapers was a ray of hope and might even lead to good results, but is rather a disaster regarding management and communication. Thorsten, thank you for writing this e-mail - it shows me that you are a good team member even while leaving. If one poisonous person is derailing the productivity of this entire group, and I think it's a fair assessment, then that is precisely the sort of problem that Jono and others will want to help resolve. Don't be discouraged - Canonical staff and Ubuntu's many leaders regularly put time aside to deal with community issues and I have confidence that they will be able to help you. I have been consistently impressed by the quality of work posted to this list, to the extent that I've been intimidated to ever put much effort into any contributions of my own, as I have never studied or practiced art and my skill and self-confidence are both lacking. However, it's been a joy watching collaboration unfold here and I want you all to know that I really appreciate what you do and still hope that I will be able to make contributions to this team. So although most of you probably don't recognize me and I don't really have much stake in what goes on here, I want to offer to do what I can to salvage this team and clear the way for future successes. Thanks, Ryan -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] IMPORTANT : Natty illustration wallpaper submissions group
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi, In case folks have not seen Thorsten's post about this: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2011/02/15/watch-out-regarding-natty-wallpaper-submissions/ The submissions for the natty wallpaper illustration *should* be in the Ubuntu Artwork Group : http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-artwork/ and not anywhere else. One person is spreading false information and trying to propagate his own private groups. DO NOT BE MISLEAD by such false propaganda. If you have been mislead, *kindly* re-submit to the right group, Ubuntu artwork group : http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-artwork/ and tag the submission as NattyWallpaper. I've asked Iain about this, and he mentioned that the judges will be looking at the Official Ubuntu artwork group and not anywhere else. So, if you have not submitted at the right place, the judges will not be looking at your submissions. Quoting from Iain's post on: http://design.canonical.com/2011/01/the-natty-wallpaper-contest-an-important-update/ As before with the photographic entries simply tag your image NattyWallpaper so we can easily find it when judging time comes. This means, submit to the 'Ubuntu artwork' group and tag it NattyWallpaper. -- Cheers, Vish -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Vish, I hesitate to respond to this post as it will likely turn into a *rant or a flame but the bottom line is what is the harm? I invited artist to support Ubuntu and the greater community by sharing their talent and I set up an environment which would protect their contributions from the harsh criticism often found on this list. This has been open, respectful of other individual efforts, and as of today I have not received any requests from the design team to stop. Although you feel empowered to make statements and wiki changes with the implied authority of the Design Team I have asked if you have this authority and have not received confirmation this is true. My assumption is you share the same role as the rest of us - Artwork Team member. So the real question becomes how do you want to contribute to the Ubuntu community and what is stopping you? I don't see any barriers. Kind regards, John -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] IMPORTANT : Natty illustration wallpaper submissions group
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 08:50 -0500, John Baer wrote: My assumption is you share the same role as the rest of us - Artwork Team member. Nah, Vish is supreme leader of all Artdom, we elected him last night in a rigged ballet. Seriously John, that high-horse of yours is looking rickety. If you want to have your own group of artists, that's fine. But don't pretend that art submitted in one unofficial-baer-place is tantamount to submitting to a blessed-by-the-community-place. You remember the community right? It's that collective of people that talk about issues, come to a consensus and then collectively push for the consensus forward, even if it ended up being different to what any one personal member thought. So far you've done all you can to poison this group's ability to make consensus. This is not how communities are run and I ask you again to step down from the group. Martin, -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] IMPORTANT : Natty illustration wallpaper submissions group
On the other hand, a separate group for artwork makes much more sense than mixing it with photography. Participators can look for inspiration and judges won't have to separate artwork from photos. John, I can't deny that I like using a separate group for artwork. But why didn't you discuss this with Iain Farrell? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] IMPORTANT : Natty illustration wallpaper submissions group
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:50 AM, John Baer bae...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi, In case folks have not seen Thorsten's post about this: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2011/02/15/watch-out-regarding-natty-wallpaper-submissions/ The submissions for the natty wallpaper illustration *should* be in the Ubuntu Artwork Group : http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-artwork/ and not anywhere else. One person is spreading false information and trying to propagate his own private groups. DO NOT BE MISLEAD by such false propaganda. If you have been mislead, *kindly* re-submit to the right group, Ubuntu artwork group : http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-artwork/ and tag the submission as NattyWallpaper. I've asked Iain about this, and he mentioned that the judges will be looking at the Official Ubuntu artwork group and not anywhere else. So, if you have not submitted at the right place, the judges will not be looking at your submissions. Quoting from Iain's post on: http://design.canonical.com/2011/01/the-natty-wallpaper-contest-an-important-update/ As before with the photographic entries simply tag your image NattyWallpaper so we can easily find it when judging time comes. This means, submit to the 'Ubuntu artwork' group and tag it NattyWallpaper. -- Cheers, Vish -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Vish, I hesitate to respond to this post as it will likely turn into a *rant or a flame but the bottom line is what is the harm? I invited artist to support Ubuntu and the greater community by sharing their talent and I set up an environment which would protect their contributions from the harsh criticism often found on this list. This has been open, respectful of other individual efforts, and as of today I have not received any requests from the design team to stop. Although you feel empowered to make statements and wiki changes with the implied authority of the Design Team I have asked if you have this authority and have not received confirmation this is true. My assumption is you share the same role as the rest of us - Artwork Team member. So the real question becomes how do you want to contribute to the Ubuntu community and what is stopping you? I don't see any barriers. Kind regards, John -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art John, My name is coz I have been with ubuntu since its dawning some years ago. I joined the community art team just about the same time. I completely understand the desire to contribute to the project overall. I am not clear on why the fork links for the submissions! There is only one place for artwork to be chosen and judged and no one is going to get that opportunity via your links. Doesn't this seem counter productive to those who truly wish to have the opportunity to have their work judged for inclusion into Ubuntu? The fact is that the design team is part of canonical.. a corporation.. they have final say.. as much as I would like this all to be community oriented.. it is in fact a corporate decision... the community art group us are never going to be seen as the final say in the artwork for ubuntu.. that has been made clear years ago.. the big reasons are, quality work ,, quality artists,, and organization.. all of which are lacking. I feel that your move for mis-guiding artists to submit work to a place that NONE of the judges will see.. is part of that disorganization, even if it were just bad timing on your part. I have no issues with vish...or thorwill...or doctorno..or any of the people now involved in the community art group. I find all of them friendly,,, capable, and informative..even fun to talk with :) I find the most important thing to accomplish a cohesive influential group is communication Each member's skills will eventually float to the surface, allowing for each to contribute fully to the whole picture,, rather than individuals trying to counter or revise the goals. I suppose I am asking for your vision of your intent! Why the links during this judging period? What is your goal for introducing, what is seen as, an apparent disruption in the process? I would appreciate a discussion about these issues with you. As I mentioned,, I am an old member.. I have seen a few important people come and go,, and at this point another is leaving because of what may turn out to be mis-communication.. I am sure you feel that is is intolerable as well. coz -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi, Thorsten's recent mail Goodbye, has generated some response and there has been reference to issues and seeking advice from Jono/Ivanka. Highlighting the relevant replies: On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 18:40 +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote: Our combined inability or unwillingness to deal with repeated misrepresentations and incredible ignorance from one member pisses me off to no end and spoils the last bit of fun. On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 13:41 -0500, Martin Owens wrote: I understand, I've reduced my participation because of the same member. This team isn't worth being involved with any more because it's a team that only exists to serve one member; a member who will distort, lie and outright misrepresent in order to bully the consensus so things are done his way. To me, it is pretty clear what Martin and Thorsten refer to. On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 13:43 -0600, Leandro Gómez wrote: On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Сергей shnat...@gmail.com wrote: On the other hand, the issues are pointed out, so now we can work on solving them. After reading Martin's message I think we shall ask Ivanka or even Jono Bacon for advice. We just can't let the team fall apart! Yes, it's definitely time to do something. I'm +1 on seeking advice from Ivanka and Jono. On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 18:08 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote: Thorwil, I too have been dialing back my participation on the list for the very same reasons you state. @Сергей, Leandro Gómez, Saleel Velankar: can you clearly state what issue has been troubling you? Indecision, lack of identity as a team/community, no goals/objectives whatsover, no discussion on the list on important issues (something that may suggest that this is a rather autocratic community), no clear rules for contributing (plus rules that changes all the time). In the end, the main problem is that there's a total absence of leadership. We first need to identify the issue to fix the situation. We need to state clearly what our problem is, before we seek advice from Jono/Ivanka. -- Cheers, Vish -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] IMPORTANT : Natty illustration wallpaper submissions group
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 19:55 +0300, Сергей wrote: On the other hand, a separate group for artwork makes much more sense than mixing it with photography. Participators can look for inspiration and judges won't have to separate artwork from photos. Yep, thats why submissions were in a separate place earlier, but the site had technical issues while submitting. So instead of making it confusing about which group to submit within the same site, Iain just had one group and he has a process already in place how to ensure that the judging takes into account these 3 wallpapers. Now we have people submitting illustrations in 2 groups, the official group and some misled people submitting in his personal-group. Complicating everything for folks just interested in contributing their artwork! I find it hard to believe that he has done this unintentionally. Even if he was not sure where the illustrations were supposed to be submitted, how difficult is it for one to just ask the persons concerned for some clarification? Random people submitting artwork commented on the blog that submitting was broken on the art-owl site and quickly the site was changed to flickr. How difficult is it for someone to just ask for clarification? After he blogged about his group recently, I noticed that he has commented in several places propagating his group even *before* the switch to flickr was done. See his comment here: http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-artwork/discuss/72157625738501389/ His comment was prior to Iain's comment about the update to submissions. -- Cheers, Vish -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice
2011/2/18 Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com People want to have fun and be productive, and not to constantly have to worry about people creating their own sub-groups and sabotaging existing process for their personal interest. I'm absolutely sure that all people on this list have good intentions. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] IMPORTANT : Natty illustration wallpaper submissions group
AFAIR, his group was created before the announcement of using art-owl, and he tested art-owl and knows its shortcomings perfectly. He knew that art-owl won't work. But the lack of coordination screwed a very good initiative again. You know, John is not the only person on this list who acts first and discusses later. And I think we ALL should be more collaborative. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 21:10 +0300, Сергей wrote: 2011/2/18 Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com People want to have fun and be productive, and not to constantly have to worry about people creating their own sub-groups and sabotaging existing process for their personal interest. I'm absolutely sure that all people on this list have good intentions. I doubt that, even Thorsten and Martin tried to talk to him in private off the mailing list and try to resolve these issues of mis-communication, mis-representations. But nothing seems to help, hence the magnitude of frustration you notice in the replies from Thorsten and Martin. -- Cheers, Vish -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice
2011/2/18 Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com I doubt that, even Thorsten and Martin tried to talk to him in private off the mailing list and try to resolve these issues of mis-communication, mis-representations. But nothing seems to help, hence the magnitude of frustration you notice in the replies from Thorsten and Martin. Oh well. Anyway, this goes beyond my experience or knowledge. I think we have the problem stated quite clearly now, let's ask Ivanka or Jono for advice. But, honestly, do you really think the problems of this team can be attributed to one single person's actions? +1 -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Acting first
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 21:19 +0300, Сергей wrote: You know, John is not the only person on this list who acts first and discusses later. And I think we ALL should be more collaborative. Owl was created way in the past as a trial to see if cchost could offer us the same functions that are enjoyed by the Debian team and their cchost deployment. Because it's php based(1) and because of various technical challenges(2), it could never be an official site. When discussing this issue at UDS with the majority of Art team members and Canonical design people it was apparent that it wasn't suitable; if it was useful for a stop gap it could be used for this cycle while we worked out our tools. It is not just a lack of leadership that hurts this team, but a complete lack of technical tools with which to base a team on. It's quite clear that flickr, like deviantArt, is not suitable as a base of operations for all we need to do and constantly sorting between the ubuntu wiki and these external image caches isn't effective. And I think it's the rejection of flickr technologically is what has Baer behaving so horrendously. But even that, with humility, or sense of friendship could have been worked on and we could have gotten a team leadership together which included him. That isn't happening now. Best Regards, Martin Owens (1) Canonical doesn't allow php websites on their servers, too insecure. (2) We don't have any php developers and the site's kindly donated machine moved from 8.04 to 10.04 and php4 to php5. That crippled the whole functionality of it and it was abandoned. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 13:47 -0600, Leandro Gómez wrote: I don't like the way this is discussion is turning out. Of course, one disruptive member can cause a lot of problems. People get frustrated, they resign and cease contributing to the team. People resigning is what Сергей mentioned as the issue that is frustrating him. And hence why I mention how *very* hard Thorsten and Martin tried to talk to John into being more part of the team effort instead of his disruptive behavior. But, honestly, do you really think the problems of this team can be attributed to one single person's actions? No, this team as other problems too and they need to be fixed as well. I agree. I've been on this team for four whole years and there's a lot of things that needs to be fixed. If one member of the team is disruptive and causes a lot of problems, I think it's time for the admin to moderate him/her on the list or ban the person if the problem persists. Sadly, I'm not an admin, so I can't do anything. Please, fix this so we can move on. But, Thorsten has been part of this team for a very very long time and if he had to decide to resign mainly because of one person. Then surely this person is a *very* disruptive element and shows how incorrigible his behavior is. Usually people listen when advised, but John just does not want to collaborate. There has to be a line drawn at some point and just say enough is enough. Or as Martin put it This is not how communities are run and I ask you again to step down from the group. -- Cheers, Vish -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 15:17 -0600, Leandro Gómez wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 13:47 -0600, Leandro Gómez wrote: I don't like the way this is discussion is turning out. Of course, one disruptive member can cause a lot of problems. People get frustrated, they resign and cease contributing to the team. People resigning is what Сергей mentioned as the issue that is frustrating him. And hence why I mention how *very* hard Thorsten and Martin tried to talk to John into being more part of the team effort instead of his disruptive behavior. But, honestly, do you really think the problems of this team can be attributed to one single person's actions? No, this team as other problems too and they need to be fixed as well. I agree. I've been on this team for four whole years and there's a lot of things that needs to be fixed. If one member of the team is disruptive and causes a lot of problems, I think it's time for the admin to moderate him/her on the list or ban the person if the problem persists. Sadly, I'm not an admin, so I can't do anything. Please, fix this so we can move on. I wish it were as simple as just banning him! Sadly banning John from this mailing list alone does not solve the problems he creates. He actively contacts a large number of artists 'privately' and asks them to take part in the existing contests, presenting himself as the representative of the Ubuntu artwork community , and grabs their interest. Until this part everything is fantastic, but beyond this is where things go completely wrong. He misdirects them to his private groups claiming those to be the place to participate. Why I never understood, but in his own words relying to the previous thread: I set up an environment which would protect their contributions from the harsh criticism often found on this list. !!!? IMO, he is acting like a Nigerian spam scammer, just robbing people of their hard work. I'm not sure where/how this behavior can be stopped. -- Cheers, Vish -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 15:17 -0600, Leandro Gómez wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 13:47 -0600, Leandro Gómez wrote: I don't like the way this is discussion is turning out. Of course, one disruptive member can cause a lot of problems. People get frustrated, they resign and cease contributing to the team. People resigning is what Сергей mentioned as the issue that is frustrating him. And hence why I mention how *very* hard Thorsten and Martin tried to talk to John into being more part of the team effort instead of his disruptive behavior. But, honestly, do you really think the problems of this team can be attributed to one single person's actions? No, this team as other problems too and they need to be fixed as well. I agree. I've been on this team for four whole years and there's a lot of things that needs to be fixed. If one member of the team is disruptive and causes a lot of problems, I think it's time for the admin to moderate him/her on the list or ban the person if the problem persists. Sadly, I'm not an admin, so I can't do anything. Please, fix this so we can move on. I wish it were as simple as just banning him! Sadly banning John from this mailing list alone does not solve the problems he creates. Well, there's not much more we can do? He actively contacts a large number of artists 'privately' and asks them to take part in the existing contests, presenting himself as the representative of the Ubuntu artwork community , and grabs their interest. Until this part everything is fantastic, but beyond this is where things go completely wrong. He misdirects them to his private groups claiming those to be the place to participate. Why I never understood, but in his own words relying to the previous thread: I set up an environment which would protect their contributions from the harsh criticism often found on this list. !!!? IMO, he is acting like a Nigerian spam scammer, just robbing people of their hard work. I'm not sure where/how this behavior can be stopped. You can't prevent people from creating private groups. The only thing we can do is to improve our communication skills and keep people informed. I think this is a clear example of what happens when you don't have appointed leaders or official communication channels and that is -IMO- our main problem. Not John, or Joseph, or Francesco. We need leadership and direction. Cheers, -- Cheers, Vish -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 19:30 -0500, coz DS wrote: Hey guys Bad taste.. wrong timing...or just plain being an ass... the links offered by jbaer came at an inappropriate time. Let the judging of the included wallpapers finish..then do what you like... but official stuff needs to have a single place for submissions. I have really never heard any harsh criticisms of work.. if they are bad pieces and saying these are bad is harsh then please more harshness :) Quite frankly I can go to gnome-look.org and download wallpapers without worries, or create my own, so I am not clear on the explanation given by him. The private emails, which initially tried to resolve this issue, were a great idea,,, it failed,, I dont think private conversations are needed any longer. Also... people...please remember that NO ONE on the community art team is going to have final say for ANY content that makes it into Ubuntu,,, that is strictly Canonical's decision...but the opportunity , this judging is giving the community, is one step closer to the community art team becoming a formidable force in making final decisions of Ubuntu's content. However, with this major glitch in the process, we have taken several steps backwards, perhaps more! Imagine the disappointment and frustration that is going to arise from those that submitted work to a false site in hopes of their pieces being included in Ubuntu release once they find out ... all too late... that they have been mislead ! We all need to do our part in trying to talk with jbaer, other than those that already have, to help him understand that his behavior is not team oriented and a destructive path which only leads to people leaving the group. We should also try to contact everyone that has submitted work to his links, so they know their work will NOT be considered. I personally want to know why this decision... why these misleading links ,, What the hell was he thinking! Events like this, which compound the existing issues the group has,, only pushes away any possibility of real recognition of the community art team by canonical! Banning him will only exacerbate the situation. welcomed or not...those are my thoughts on the issue. coz I'm +1 on this, exactly why us banning him is not going to help. John needs to explain his actions and course-correct his attitude. He needs to correct his behavior, or if he is not able to correct himself he needs to quit on his own. Someone else banning him wont help here, and might blow this 'silly drama' out of proportion -- Cheers, Vish -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 19:30 -0500, coz DS wrote: Hey guys Bad taste.. wrong timing...or just plain being an ass... the links offered by jbaer came at an inappropriate time. Let the judging of the included wallpapers finish..then do what you like... but official stuff needs to have a single place for submissions. I have really never heard any harsh criticisms of work.. if they are bad pieces and saying these are bad is harsh then please more harshness :) Quite frankly I can go to gnome-look.org and download wallpapers without worries, or create my own, so I am not clear on the explanation given by him. The private emails, which initially tried to resolve this issue, were a great idea,,, it failed,, I dont think private conversations are needed any longer. Also... people...please remember that NO ONE on the community art team is going to have final say for ANY content that makes it into Ubuntu,,, that is strictly Canonical's decision...but the opportunity , this judging is giving the community, is one step closer to the community art team becoming a formidable force in making final decisions of Ubuntu's content. However, with this major glitch in the process, we have taken several steps backwards, perhaps more! Imagine the disappointment and frustration that is going to arise from those that submitted work to a false site in hopes of their pieces being included in Ubuntu release once they find out ... all too late... that they have been mislead ! We all need to do our part in trying to talk with jbaer, other than those that already have, to help him understand that his behavior is not team oriented and a destructive path which only leads to people leaving the group. We should also try to contact everyone that has submitted work to his links, so they know their work will NOT be considered. I personally want to know why this decision... why these misleading links ,, What the hell was he thinking! Events like this, which compound the existing issues the group has,, only pushes away any possibility of real recognition of the community art team by canonical! Banning him will only exacerbate the situation. welcomed or not...those are my thoughts on the issue. coz I'm +1 on this, exactly why us banning him is not going to help. John needs to explain his actions and course-correct his attitude. He needs to correct his behavior, or if he is not able to correct himself he needs to quit on his own. Someone else banning him wont help here, and might blow this 'silly drama' out of proportion To me, this whole situation has already been blown out of proportion. Really... it's a no brainer. If someone is threatening the team, what do you do? Wait and see if the problem resolves itself or take action? Banning a person is the last resource. If you have tried to resolve the issue privately and failed, why don't you take it publicly? We can have a meeting on IRC with John and the rest of the team and see if we can agree on how to move forward. What do you think? Cheers, -- Cheers, Vish -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
