[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released ** Changed in: zim (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/613303/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
** Changed in: zim (Debian) Status: New = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
Fix released in zim 0.50 ** Changed in: zim Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
The attached branch contains the proposal detailed on comment 10, minus the word 'inline'. Ready for review. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
New description adopted for source package control files, README etc. ** Changed in: zim Status: Triaged = Fix Committed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: In Progress = Fix Committed ** Changed in: zim (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Fix Committed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
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[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
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[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
Ok, it is clear enough without 'inline'. Thanks for merging my points. Looks good to me too now! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
Comment from debian package maintainer (copied here so I don't forget about it when reviewing): - On Mon, 10 Jan 2011, Chris Wilson wrote: patch submitted Thanks for your patches. First of I'd like to point out that the description put in debian/control is based on the upstream description of the project. So you probably want to submit this to upstream as well so that they update their readme.txt and their website. https://bugs.launchpad.net/zim/+filebug Then your updated description is not correct: + Uses of Zim include: + • TODO lists + • Taking notes during meetings + • Drafting blog entries and emails + • Brainstorming This is not a valid list in a description field. You need to have 2 spaces at the start otherwise the lines will be wrapped together. And you should probably avoid UTF-8 characters. So it should be: Uses of Zim include: * TODO lists * Taking notes during meetings * Drafting blog entries and emails * Brainstorming A few more remarks: + Zim is a graphical text editor which allows the user to maintain a collection which allows is generally bad-style - text editor used to maintain + of wiki-style interconnected pages. The text of each page can contain links Why the text ? Each page can contain links. + to other pages as well as simple formatting. Creating a new page is as easy + as linking to a nonexistent page. Pages are stored in a folder structure, like + in an outliner, and can have attachments. . - This tool can be used to keep track of TODO lists or ideas, - to take notes during a meeting or to draft any other kind of - text (blog entries, important mails, etc.). + Various plugins provide additional functionality, like a task list manager, + an equation editor, a tray icon, and version control. + . As a whole, it looks like an improvement though. Thanks for the work. [ scratch 250 Kb of debdiff irrelevant for the description that I don't understand ] Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog ◈ Debian Developer ** Changed in: zim Importance: Undecided = Wishlist -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
So proposal including comments of Raphael and Joos becomes: Zim is a graphical text editor used to maintain a collection of wiki pages. Each page can contain links to other pages, simple formatting and inline images. Pages are stored in a folder structure, like in an outliner, and can have attachments. Creating a new page is as easy as linking to a nonexistent page. All data is stored in plain text files with wiki formatting. Various plugins provide additional functionality, like a task list manager, an equation editor, a tray icon, and support for version control. Zim can be used to: * Keep an archive of notes * Take notes during meetings or lectures * Organize task lists * Draft blog entries and emails * Do brainstorming I feel we are getting towards a good simple description that is also technical correct and contains all the right keywords :) Any more comments ? Regards, Jaap -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
Each page can contain links to other pages, simple formatting and inline images. I think we should avoid using the word 'inline' as only someone familiar with HMTL will understand what that means, so we should just say simple formatting and images. Apart from that, it looks good to me. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
I agree that it is more clear now. What I miss (even more now without the term wysiwyg): zim has a wysiwyg-editor and uses a simple (near- wysiwyg) wiki format to store the pages. Ok, this is quite common for wiki editors, but not for personal notes editors like Tomboy. zim is something between (or covers both ;-) To differentiate zim from a text editors I'd add: Each page can contain links to other pages, simple text formatting and inline images. To emphasize zims open-minded storage format I'd add: Pages are stored as wiki-formatted text files in a folder structure, like in an outliner, and can have attachments. (I am not an English native. Feel free to find better words for what I miss) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
** Changed in: zim Status: Invalid = Confirmed ** Changed in: zim Status: Confirmed = Triaged -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
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[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
** Changed in: zim Assignee: (unassigned) = Chris Wilson (notgary) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Chris Wilson afrowi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jaap, what do you think of the following? I've written it to contain the word 'wiki' while briefly describing how a wiki works for those user unfamiliar with the term. Zim is a graphical text editor which allows the user to maintain a collection of wiki-style interconnected notes. The text of each note can have certain important keywords highlighted with a link that provides a connection to another note named after the highlighted text. This new note can provide details on the meaning of the highlighted text, and can even contain links of its own. . Uses of Zim include: • TODO lists • Taking notes during meetings • Drafting blog entries and emails • Brainstorming I'm sorry, but I'm afraid that phrases like certain important keywords highlighted with a link and another note named after the highlighted text only make it more confusing. This sounds to me like a technical definition of a hyperlink, but not really like a description for end users. Wouldn't it suffice to say something like the text of each note can contain links to other pages as well as simple formatting -- I assume every user knows what a link is in this internet age (you could replace link by hyperlink). Another problem I have with this description is that it talks about notes while the zim user interface consistently talks about pages. My counter proposal would be something like: Zim is a graphical text editor which allows the user to maintain a collection of wiki-style interconnected pages. The text of each page can contain links to other pages as well as simple formatting. Creating a new page is as easy as linking to a nonexistent page. Pages are stored in a folder structure, like in an outliner, and can have attachments. Various plugins provide additional functionality, like a task list manager, an equation editor, a tray icon, and version control. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
Hi Jaap, thanks a lot for the feedback. I've submitted a revised patch that uses your version of the text. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
** Changed in: zim (Debian) Status: Unknown = New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: Triaged = In Progress ** Changed in: zim (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = In Progress -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
Thanks for forwarding the bug to debian. You can forward your patch too. Makes it easier for the maintainer to review bug and patch at once. ** Changed in: zim (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Triaged -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
Hi, I'm the maintainer of zim (upsteam). I agree that the description could be more clear and I'm open to suggestions. So far I have not seen a proposal for a text to replace it that seems better to me. If there is a concrete proposal I will consider it for the description in the upstream project page etc. Of course you are free to go ahead with a modified version in the ubuntu or debian packages. In any case I would appreciate it if the reference to wiki style editing is kept in the description since I know from discussions with actual users that this is a common search term that makes people end up with zim. Regards, Jaap -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
Hi Jaap, what do you think of the following? I've written it to contain the word 'wiki' while briefly describing how a wiki works for those user unfamiliar with the term. Zim is a graphical text editor which allows the user to maintain a collection of wiki-style interconnected notes. The text of each note can have certain important keywords highlighted with a link that provides a connection to another note named after the highlighted text. This new note can provide details on the meaning of the highlighted text, and can even contain links of its own. . Uses of Zim include: • TODO lists • Taking notes during meetings • Drafting blog entries and emails • Brainstorming -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
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[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
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[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
A patch for this bug has just been sent to Debian. ** Tags added: patch -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
** Bug watch added: Debian Bug tracker #609261 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609261 ** Also affects: zim (Debian) via http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609261 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
** Branch unlinked: lp:~notgary/ubuntu/natty/zim/zim-fix-613303 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
** Also affects: zim Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
** Changed in: zim Status: New = Invalid ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Assignee: (unassigned) = Chris Wilson (notgary) ** Changed in: zim (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Chris Wilson (notgary) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
** Branch linked: lp:~notgary/ubuntu/natty/zim/zim-fix-613303 ** Tags added: patch ** Tags removed: patch -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 Title: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
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[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Milestone: maverick-round-9-sc-metadata = nt10-sc-metadata -- Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 613303] Re: Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing
Thank you for helping with making Ubuntu better by reporting this bug. I'm accepting this as a paper cut. ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Importance: Undecided = Low ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: New = Triaged ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Milestone: None = maverick-round-9-sc-metadata ** Also affects: zim (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: zim (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Low ** Changed in: zim (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed -- Zim Desktop Wiki description is confusing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/613303 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
