gnome-panel as a fallback
Hi, I was wondering under which circumstances the GTK3 gnome-panel can be used as a fallback for Unity or GNOME-Shell. I'd like to know if Unity 2D will also be used for for FailsafeX sessions. Thanks in advance. - Eric -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: gnome-panel as a fallback
On lun., 2011-06-06 at 02:18 -0400, Eric Appleman wrote: Hi, I was wondering under which circumstances the GTK3 gnome-panel can be used as a fallback for Unity or GNOME-Shell. Hi Eric, We are trying to build a coherent environment for ubuntu and GNOME upstream experience. Consequently, the plan (and what's already in oneiric) is: * Unity and Unity-2d are installed on the CD, Unity-2d being the fallback of Unity. In addition, each one have a separate session in gdm (and probably will have in lightdm as well) to start them directly. Note that this will be the case for finale only if we can have the full unity-2d accessibility stack working in time. * gnome-shell and gnome-panel are available in the repository. gnome-panel can be installed separately from gnome-shell and each one have as well a separate session in gdm/ligthdm to start them directly. gnome-panel is the fallback of gnome-shell. (gnome-shell pulls gnome-panel). I'd like to know if Unity 2D will also be used for for FailsafeX sessions. Not sure about that one as different people means different things about FailsafeX sessions. if it's session without 3D acceleration, right, that's what is already the case in oneiric. FailsafeX as no driver has been able to be loaded/X can't start (bulletproof X), that's more a question for the Xorg guys :) Cheers, Didier -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: gnome-panel as a fallback
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 09:46 +0200, Didier Roche wrote: On lun., 2011-06-06 at 02:18 -0400, Eric Appleman wrote: Hi, I was wondering under which circumstances the GTK3 gnome-panel can be used as a fallback for Unity or GNOME-Shell. Hi Eric, We are trying to build a coherent environment for ubuntu and GNOME upstream experience. Consequently, the plan (and what's already in oneiric) is: * Unity and Unity-2d are installed on the CD, Unity-2d being the fallback of Unity. In addition, each one have a separate session in gdm (and probably will have in lightdm as well) to start them directly. Note that this will be the case for finale only if we can have the full unity-2d accessibility stack working in time. * gnome-shell and gnome-panel are available in the repository. gnome-panel can be installed separately from gnome-shell and each one have as well a separate session in gdm/ligthdm to start them directly. gnome-panel is the fallback of gnome-shell. (gnome-shell pulls gnome-panel). I'd like to know if Unity 2D will also be used for for FailsafeX sessions. Not sure about that one as different people means different things about FailsafeX sessions. if it's session without 3D acceleration, right, that's what is already the case in oneiric. FailsafeX as no driver has been able to be loaded/X can't start (bulletproof X), that's more a question for the Xorg guys :) My initial thought would be that FailsafeX should use whatever fallback would be otherwise used; Unity2D if Unity is the user's default, GNOME classic if Shell is the user's default. If Unity2D is unacceptably slow or likely to be broken with VESA then that should be revisited. IMO FailsafeX should give the user as comfortable experience as possible for them to try to work out what went wrong and fix it. That's likely to be the default fallback session. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Call for testing: LightDM
Thanks, I've updated the information. On 06/06/2011 04:04 AM, Steven wrote: Would you mind providing a little more information in the wiki about explicitly how to report and triage LightDM bugs? I'm assuming you want people to report it in Ubuntu with 'ubuntu-bug lightdm' and then add a tracker for the upstream project ( https://launchpad.net/lightdm)? Thanks. -Stenten On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Robert Ancell robert.anc...@canonical.com mailto:robert.anc...@canonical.com wrote: Hi all, As LightDM is scheduled to be the default display manager in Oneric by Alpha 2 it would be awesome if we can get as many testers as possible, so please be a guinea pig! If you are using Oneric you can install it from Universe: $ sudo apt-get install lightdm lightdm-greeter-example-gtk If using Natty you can install it from the PPA: $ sudo apt-add-repository ppa:lightdm-team/ppa Expect less features than the current GDM (e.g. user switching not yet implemented). I've been using LightDM exclusively for over a week without any major issues and others have indicated they are also using it without issue. The GUI will be replaced with something more Unity like during the cycle so look out for lacking functionality but don't worry too much about the style. For more information see this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM Thanks, --Robert -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Call for testing: LightDM
Great. Is Gunnar Hjalmarsso involved in this feature implementation, and when can we start to test it? -- Best regards, Kevin On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 18:01 +1000, Robert Ancell wrote: This feature is just not implemented yet. It will be in Oneiric. On 06/04/2011 07:48 PM, Kevin Huang wrote: Hi Robert, In GDM design, the display language can be set on two levels: system wide, which determines what shown on the login screen, and user specific. It's only the user language that can be set from the login screen. Since there is no language option in LightDM screen, I assume no user language that can be set in Oneric. Is it correct? -- Best regards, Kevin On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 16:52 +1000, Robert Ancell wrote: Hi all, As LightDM is scheduled to be the default display manager in Oneric by Alpha 2 it would be awesome if we can get as many testers as possible, so please be a guinea pig! If you are using Oneric you can install it from Universe: $ sudo apt-get install lightdm lightdm-greeter-example-gtk If using Natty you can install it from the PPA: $ sudo apt-add-repository ppa:lightdm-team/ppa Expect less features than the current GDM (e.g. user switching not yet implemented). I've been using LightDM exclusively for over a week without any major issues and others have indicated they are also using it without issue. The GUI will be replaced with something more Unity like during the cycle so look out for lacking functionality but don't worry too much about the style. For more information see this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM Thanks, --Robert -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: gnome-panel as a fallback
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 09:46:51AM +0200, Didier Roche wrote: I'd like to know if Unity 2D will also be used for for FailsafeX sessions. Not sure about that one as different people means different things about FailsafeX sessions. if it's session without 3D acceleration, right, that's what is already the case in oneiric. FailsafeX as no driver has been able to be loaded/X can't start (bulletproof X), that's more a question for the Xorg guys :) A session without 3D I wouldn't call 'Failsafe-X', that's more of a 2D fallback session I suppose. Failsafe-X traditionally has been a completely trimmed down X session with no window manager at all, that runs with the vesa driver, and displays a single application which conceptually you'd use to analyze or fix X problems that prevent you from getting into a regular X session. Originally it was envisioned as a way to redo your xorg.conf in case something in the config was wrong, but xorg.conf-related problems are quite rare now. Btw, I'm trying to get away from the term 'Bulletproof-X' and use 'Failsafe-X' instead. I think the latter term sets expectations a bit more realistically. ;-) Going forward, I'm open to changing around the design a bit of Failsafe-X to make it more relevant to the types of boot-time graphics problems people experience these days (i.e. kernel lockups in drm and blank-screen-on-boot problems). It would be nice to have a bit more window management included (window decorations at least), but there can be advantages to keeping the session functionality to a bare minimum. Ultimately, it needs to be very robust, and needs to not take much ongoing maintenance or testing effort, since it's all an error handling mechanism that needs to work in less than ideal circumstances. Bryce -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Call for testing: LightDM
On 2011-06-06 10:06, Kevin Huang wrote: On 2011-06-06 10:01, Robert Ancell wrote: On 2011-06-04 11:48, Kevin Huang wrote: In GDM design, the display language can be set on two levels: system wide, which determines what shown on the login screen, and user specific. It's only the user language that can be set from the login screen. Since there is no language option in LightDM screen, I assume no user language that can be set in Oneric. Is it correct? No. The ability to let each user set their language preferences is primarily controlled via Language Support. It does not depend on whether you can set the user language from the login screen. This feature is just not implemented yet. It will be in Oneiric. Good to know, Robert. Are you able to say something about e.g. the keyboard layout and universal access? Great. Is Gunnar Hjalmarsso involved in this feature implementation, I'm not yet, but I plan to make myself involved to assist with the i18n matters. :) I'll try to ensure that the current functionality with respect to languages and locales is preserved in the Oneiric release. -- Gunnar Hjalmarsson -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Call for testing: LightDM
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 18:01 +1000, Robert Ancell wrote: This feature is just not implemented yet. It will be in Oneiric. Any target date that loco can start to test? On 06/04/2011 07:48 PM, Kevin Huang wrote: Hi Robert, In GDM design, the display language can be set on two levels: system wide, which determines what shown on the login screen, and user specific. It's only the user language that can be set from the login screen. Since there is no language option in LightDM screen, I assume no user language that can be set in Oneric. Is it correct? -- Best regards, Kevin On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 16:52 +1000, Robert Ancell wrote: Hi all, As LightDM is scheduled to be the default display manager in Oneric by Alpha 2 it would be awesome if we can get as many testers as possible, so please be a guinea pig! If you are using Oneric you can install it from Universe: $ sudo apt-get install lightdm lightdm-greeter-example-gtk If using Natty you can install it from the PPA: $ sudo apt-add-repository ppa:lightdm-team/ppa Expect less features than the current GDM (e.g. user switching not yet implemented). I've been using LightDM exclusively for over a week without any major issues and others have indicated they are also using it without issue. The GUI will be replaced with something more Unity like during the cycle so look out for lacking functionality but don't worry too much about the style. For more information see this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM Thanks, --Robert -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
