Re: 32/64 bit recommended decision rehash this vUDS?
2013/8/19 Bryan Quigley gquig...@gmail.com: I was wondering if anyone wanted to take another look at recommending 64 bit instead of 32 bit for 13.10? Hi Bryan. There is certainly interest, to reduce the confusion for users of new computers. Locally it has been clearer since ubuntu-fi defaults to 64-bit download of 12.04 LTS always. I would have liked to have 64-bit by default for 12.04 LTS already globally, but I agree the conservative approach at the time was still more valid. There was also unity-2d available at the time. Now would be a good time to consider the switch so that there'd be one non-LTS release before 14.04 LTS. At the time of 14.04 LTS release, all desktop computers sold during the last 7 years have been 64-bit compliant. During the 2007 some older generation models may still have been sold as new, so 6-6.5 years might be more accurate for all. First gen Atoms are found in newer netbooks like you noted in your conclusion, but the 2nd gen and newer Atoms have been out for over 4 years next Spring. It certainly requires the exception note, though. So your (slightly modified) “If you have a 6+ year old PC, a 4+ year old netbook, or only 1 GB of ram choose the 32 bit version.” sounds good to me. --- As for phasing out 32-bit releases completely, I think it's too early to have much discussion about that and the above topic is much more relevant. But if insisted, first of all I think the first gen Atoms can be forgotten about with Unity8 in 16.04 LTS. Qt 5 will require OpenGL 2.0 / shaders. So the topic is more about the 9+ years old desktop/laptop computers (or CPUs, to be exact) around that time. They can certainly be beefy enough with some expansions, considering Unity8 also runs on mobile devices, and 10-15 years use of a computer should be considered possible. So I'd say 18.04 LTS could be, for example, the last LTS to ship 32-bit version (images, kernels). By 2023, when support for 18.04 LTS would end, it'll be 16 years since last new computers sold with non-64-bit CPUs. But even after that at least community supported 32-bit kernels would be needed for Lubuntu co that can be installed on late 1990s - computers. -Timo -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: 32/64 bit recommended decision rehash this vUDS?
Hello Bryan, It would be a good idea if we can make 64-bit the default download for Ubuntu 13.10. With the addition of Mir, Qt 5 technology and stuff, it will make sense for Ubuntu to switch. However, killing 32-bit support is too out of the blue. We currently still see phones built on x86 architecture, and many computers are still running 32-bit. I don't think we can ditch 32-bit even after Ubuntu 20.04 LTS... Regards, Howard Chan (smartboyhw) Ubuntu Member 2013/8/20 Bryan Quigley gquig...@gmail.com: Hi all, I was wondering if anyone wanted to take another look at recommending 64 bit instead of 32 bit for 13.10? I did a survey on planet ubuntu on the current computers that need for 32 bit [1]. I would only propose that we default to recommend 64 bit on the Ubuntu website for 13.10. The biggest item pushing us there is that newer machines will need 64 bit to work (EUFI). Ubuntu server (13.04) already defaults to 64 bit only (unless you manually go to releases.u.c). As for what other distros are doing; only Fedora defaults to 64 bit only. Most others show both without a preference (Debian recommends a multiarch image). I would also like it if we could start planning a bit further out. When would we be the last LTS release with 32 bit support*? If we start the discussion now we can make it easier for people to plan around us. Let me know if there is interest and I'll quickly put a blueprint together. Kind regards, Bryan Quigley * To me this means last one with images built and kernels. Obviously we would need to keep 32 bit libraries etc for things like Steam. [1] http://bryanquigley.com/crazy-ideas/survey-results -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: 32/64 bit recommended decision rehash this vUDS?
On Mon, 2013-08-19 at 16:16 -0400, Bryan Quigley wrote: Ubuntu server (13.04) already defaults to 64 bit only (unless you manually go to releases.u.c). As for what other distros are doing; only Fedora defaults to 64 bit only. Most others show both without a preference (Debian recommends a multiarch image). Hey Bryan. Just my two cents, but something that we could consider doing is having on the download page a star or some other icon saying recommended next to either the 32-bit or 64-bit download. Assuming the machine they are browsing the site from is the one they want to install it on, and assuming the OS that is already on it is the more appropriate of the 32-bit or 64-bit, the recommendation could be determined by checking the user agent string for things like x86_64, i686, etc.. It's not a perfect solution, but I'd guess that for most of the users still running Woe32/64 looking for an alternative, it could be a lot better than leaving it to the laymen to guess which one he needs. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: 32/64 bit recommended decision rehash this vUDS?
It seems a discussion is warranted, so I've proposed it [1]. Feel free to add your other ideas/comments to the pad [2]. I'll ping again if/when it get's approved as a topic. So your (slightly modified) “If you have a 6+ year old PC, a 4+ year old netbook, or only 1 GB of ram choose the 32 bit version.” sounds good to me. Updated in the Pad. Thanks! Bryan [1] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-s-32v64-bit [2] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21864/32-vs-64-bit-discussion/ -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
32/64 bit recommended decision rehash this vUDS?
Hi all, I was wondering if anyone wanted to take another look at recommending 64 bit instead of 32 bit for 13.10? I did a survey on planet ubuntu on the current computers that need for 32 bit [1]. I would only propose that we default to recommend 64 bit on the Ubuntu website for 13.10. The biggest item pushing us there is that newer machines will need 64 bit to work (EUFI). Ubuntu server (13.04) already defaults to 64 bit only (unless you manually go to releases.u.c). As for what other distros are doing; only Fedora defaults to 64 bit only. Most others show both without a preference (Debian recommends a multiarch image). I would also like it if we could start planning a bit further out. When would we be the last LTS release with 32 bit support*? If we start the discussion now we can make it easier for people to plan around us. Let me know if there is interest and I'll quickly put a blueprint together. Kind regards, Bryan Quigley * To me this means last one with images built and kernels. Obviously we would need to keep 32 bit libraries etc for things like Steam. [1] http://bryanquigley.com/crazy-ideas/survey-results -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
