Re: Default App: remmina and vino

[Paul Smith]

On Fri, 2017-06-09 at 08:35 -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
> > [1] The fact that we are willing to switch to Wayland before this issue
> > has been fully addressed is a failure on the part of Ubuntu.  Ubuntu
> > needs to use its influence for good here, and convince Wayland to focus
> > on achieving parity with X ASAP so that it can actually be a viable
> > replacement before it can be used on Ubuntu.
> 
> This needs to happen in GNOME on Wayland, not Wayland generally. The
> GNOME developers are already well aware that remote desktop sharing is
> a useful and important feature. There's a lot of work to be done
> everywhere and there are not enough workers to get everything done
> immediately.

Agreed.  Also "desktop sharing" could be either "full-screen sharing" or
"per-app sharing".  My opinion is the latter is more important.

That's my point: Ubuntu should not switch until GNOME on Wayland can
provide equivalent functionality.  For whatever reason, they're not
there yet.

It's not anyone's fault: it's unquestionably a lot of work.  But just
because it's no one's fault that the features aren't there doesn't mean
Ubuntu should switch before they are.

Being clear about which features are missing could help focus attention
on those areas, but if it doesn't, it doesn't.  That's OK too.

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Re: Default App: remmina and vino

[Alan Pope]

Hi,

On 9 June 2017 at 10:53, Jeremy Bicha  wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:08 AM, Khurshid Alam
>  wrote:
>> Partially true. Remmina only abandoned older 1,1.x version. Their developer
>> encourages everyone to use 1.2.x. It is well maintained (see commit history:
>> https://github.com/FreeRDP/Remmina/commits/next
>
> But that version isn't in Ubuntu yet.
>

There's a snap available, published by the upstream developers themselves.

⟫ snap info remmina
name:  remmina
summary:   "The GTK+ Remote Desktop Client"
publisher: remmina
contact:   https://github.com/FreeRDP/Remmina/issues
description: |
  Remmina is a remote desktop client written in GTK+, aiming to be useful for
  system administrators and travellers, who need to work with lots of remote
  computers in front of either large monitors or tiny netbooks. Remmina supports
  multiple network protocols in an integrated and consistant user interface.
  Currently RDP, VNC, SPICE, NX, XDMCP and SSH are supported.

  Remmina is free and open-source software, released under GNU GPL license.

commands:
  - remmina
  - remmina.winpr-hash
  - remmina.winpr-makecert
tracking:   stable
installed:  1.2.0-rcgit-18~snap1 (134) 79MB -
refreshed:  2017-04-20 08:52:29 +0100 BST
channels:
  latest/stable:1.2.0-rcgit-18~snap1 (134) 79MB -
  latest/candidate: 1.2.0-rcgit.17   (67)  65MB -
  latest/edge:  1.2.0-rcgit-18   (149) 76MB -




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Re: Default App: remmina and vino

[Sebastien Bacher]

Le 09/06/2017 à 10:53, Jeremy Bicha a écrit :
> But that version isn't in Ubuntu yet.

Seems like an update to do this cycle then?

Cheers,

Sebastien Bacher


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Re: Default App: remmina and vino

[Jeremy Bicha]

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:08 AM, Khurshid Alam
 wrote:
> Partially true. Remmina only abandoned older 1,1.x version. Their developer
> encourages everyone to use 1.2.x. It is well maintained (see commit history:
> https://github.com/FreeRDP/Remmina/commits/next

But that version isn't in Ubuntu yet.

Thanks,
Jeremy Bicha

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Re: Default App: remmina and vino

[Khurshid Alam]

Hi,

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:36 AM, Jeremy Bicha  wrote:

remmina was recently removed from the soon-to-be-released Debian 9
"Stretch". [1]

Frankly, remmina has not been that well-maintained recently. See the 
Debian bug.


Partially true. Remmina only abandoned older 1,1.x version. Their 
developer encourages everyone to use 1.2.x. It is well maintained (see 
commit history: https://github.com/FreeRDP/Remmina/commits/next


The debian reporter/maintainer don't want to import 1.2 simply because 
a plugin doesn't work with 1.2 which is atrocious. I think  there was 
some misunderstanding between them. This issue needs to be addressed as 
quickly as possible.




GNOME on Wayland does not currently support remote desktop sharing.
The GNOME developers would like to have a remote desktop replacement
(similar to how Night Light provided redshift-like features on GNOME
on Wayland) but I don't think that's gotten very far yet. [2] When it
is implemented, it will be done "natively" so it won't need vino.


This is my main objection (along with pkexec issue) about making 
wayland default. How will users use remote desktop in 17.10 then? Can 
we not just use X for this cycle until these issues are fixed in 
upstream?


Also, I feel there should also be a X session and xorg libraries 
installed by default so that user can switch to X from gdm/lightdm.


Thanks.
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