Re: 64bit Motherboards are a minefield of config problems

[Michael Loftis]

On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 6:11 AM, Paul Smith  wrote:
> On Sat, 2017-08-05 at 08:37 +0800, Jesse Steele wrote:
>> Generally, installing Ubuntu on 32 bit machines has been no problem.
>> However, different 64 bit motherboard manufacturers have different
>> native BIOS settings, many of which create problems for installing and
>> booting to Ubuntu.
>
> Maybe you can give some examples of what kinds of problems you mean.
>
> I've been running GNU/Linux distributions of all types exclusively on
> 64bit systems for probably 15 years or more and I've NEVER found a
> motherboard or BIOS that gave me any problems.  Your message sounds like
> many motherboards won't work with Linux and you have to search carefully
> to locate a compatible one.  That's definitely not been my experience.

I'd second that...having installed as 64-bit using Ubuntu, Debian,
RedHat, RHEL, Fedora, FreeBSD, Solaris, Illumos, SmartOS (Illumos
kernels), and more across many different motherboards and
vendors...Gigabyte, ASUS, Dell, SuperMicro, Tyan, and some others I'm
forgetting, I've yet to run into anything that's 64-bit specific.  The
issues are generally around "new" hardware (storage controllers,
ethernet controllers) and associated drivers rather than anything to
do with 64-bit, when there are issues at all.

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Re: New proposed Ubuntu startup and Shutdown sounds.

[Xen]

Siddharth-Jean Baburaj schreef op 05-08-2017 22:06:


Dear Ubuntu team,

My name is Siddharth-Jean Baburaj and I have created two recordings 
through my mobile of two new Ubuntu Startup and Shutdown sounds.


They are way too robotic and ghastly.

But don't mind my opinion. But I mean, I would never want that on any 
desktop and I would try to get rid of that as soon as possible. For one, 
they are too short. Also too metallic and alien I guess. Not a sense of 
warmth coming from it. But anyway, again, just one opinion I guess.


I got inspired by the beautiful Japanese Shrines and how the weather 
and the atmosphere changes but I added a more retro futuristic feel to 
it to make it sound more modern while retaining the feel as though you 
there at a Japanese shrine.


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Re: 64bit BIOS changes to GUI Ubuntu Installer

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Jesse Steele schreef op 06-08-2017 19:29:

My father told me as a kid, "I can't make enough rules." That's how I 
feel about which BIOS settings need changing on each 64 bit machine I 
encounter.


I would suggest that's bad parenting ;-).

I appreciated the GUI Ubuntu installer using a one-time password to 
change some BIOS settings. But, more BIOS settings changes from the GUI 
installer may needed now, in the future if possible, I guess. Many of 
my problems came up with "Windows 10 only" boot options, "Launch CSM" & 
Fastboot to be disabled, and whatever other need-to-be-disabled BIOS 
setting gets invented in 2018.


So basically you are saying that the changing and ... modernizing 
BIOS/UEFI landscape is causing the issues.


For you, I mean.

I do have one Abit AX78 from around 2009 that needs changing BIOS 
settings or else the kernel won't load.


I have had a load of other motherboards from that period and never had a 
problem.


Personally I don't like hash tags and I also don't think it is something 
to do with 64-bit.


It seems more like the maze that people are creating with UEFI etc.

We have problems today that didn't exist before. This goes for most 
things.


I think this article kinda says it: 
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/choose-best-laptop-linuxubuntu/


"It’s never been harder to install Linux.

Don’t believe me? Just cast your mind back 10 years. Back then, it was 
just a matter of downloading an ISO, burning it to disk, pressing “next” 
a few times, and hoping you weren’t unlucky enough to have a Broadcom 
WiFi card. And if you didn’t fancy burning your own install disk, 
Canonical would send you one – for free. It was a wonderful time."


"Now, it’s less wonderful. Would-be Linux users have to contend with 
utterly awful hardware support, UEFI woes, and equipment designed to 
work with Windows, and Windows alone. If you want to break away from the 
yoke of Microsoft, you have to be a savvy hardware shopper."


But we already had 64-bit motherboards 10 years ago.

Ubuntu does have motherboard lists but they are woefully unupdated:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMotherboards

As well as being a hierarchical list that doesn't work all that well, 
and regular people don't have access to editing the wiki after it was 
closed down for reasons of spam.


What you really need is a single, editable list (by everyone) to which 
people can add their remarks but this is too technologically advanced 
for us ;-) (sorry to put it like this).


You really can't ask for everyone to start including that hashtag 
whenever and wherever they write something about their motherboard. You 
may think that's decentralized, but really it requires a concerted 
effort.


Back in the day wikis were community places, now they are publication 
portals.


Same thing happened to OpenSUSE btw.


Changing the GUI installer to make these changes creates work for the 
developers, I know.


But how can a GUI installer change any BIOS settings? I am puzzled.

My point here is that _community awareness_ of 64 bit BIOS 
settings/issues being slightly different from one manufacturer to 
another could show developers what the big issues are. Just by knowing 
on forums, "this is that same old issue, now with the 
INSERT-MAKE-MODEL..." in forums, developers could quickly see what BIOS 
settings the GUI installer might need to try to change, or something 
else.


You're not telling me software is now directly capable of changing BIOS 
settings, are you?


I'm happy to move on from this topic. My contribution is to consider if 
"#mb64" in any such forum issues could become unofficial SOP. No need 
to create extra work at this point.


That's a lot of extra work for everyone.

All you need is a single editable page. That is easy to find. There are 
hardware lists everywhere. But I couldn't really find anything. Even if 
you did create single pages for each motherboard, you would still need a 
single list, not the hierarchical system we have on the wiki.


And people need to be able to contribute easily. It's very simple you 
know.


The wiki is not a place that invites contribution.

(Neither is that of OpenSUSE these days).

Well enough.

Regards.

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