Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

[Jonathan Aquilina]

What about not pulling the package from Debian due to this and compiling it 
specifically for US?

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Sent: 01 February 2019 06:56
To: Ubuntu Studio Development 
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

Yes. The Calf developers have and were met with the response of a brick wall. 
Ross is working on it.



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Has anyone tried to speak to the maintainer to try and ascertain the reasoning 
behind it?

Regards,
Jonathan

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LMMS isn't the problem.  The problem was erroneous packaging by the Debian 
packager.

The ladspa version of the Calf plugins were never meant to be exposed to other 
applications besides LMMS, but the packager of LMMS in Debian decided to expose 
the ladpsa version to the rest of the system against the advice of both the 
Calf and LMMS developers.


Erich



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Has anyone even subscribed to the lmms mailing list to discuss this there and 
maybe get it squared away once and for all?

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Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

Hi everyone,

Specifically to Ross: where are we at with this bane-of-our-existence conflict 
(LP: 1810534)? ISO builds are still failing and will probably fail until we can 
get lmms from Debian to build properly.

So, any more word?

Thanks,
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Has anyone tried to speak to the maintainer to try and ascertain the reasoning 
behind it?

Regards,
Jonathan

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Sent: 01 February 2019 06:43
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Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

LMMS isn't the problem.  The problem was erroneous packaging by the Debian 
packager.

The ladspa version of the Calf plugins were never meant to be exposed to other 
applications besides LMMS, but the packager of LMMS in Debian decided to expose 
the ladpsa version to the rest of the system against the advice of both the 
Calf and LMMS developers.


Erich



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Has anyone even subscribed to the lmms mailing list to discuss this there and 
maybe get it squared away once and for all?

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Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

Hi everyone,

Specifically to Ross: where are we at with this bane-of-our-existence conflict 
(LP: 1810534)? ISO builds are still failing and will probably fail until we can 
get lmms from Debian to build properly.

So, any more word?

Thanks,
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Has anyone even subscribed to the lmms mailing list to discuss this there and 
maybe get it squared away once and for all?

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of er...@ericheickmeyer.com
Sent: 01 February 2019 00:49
To: Ubuntu Studio Development 
Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

Hi everyone,

Specifically to Ross: where are we at with this bane-of-our-existence conflict 
(LP: 1810534)? ISO builds are still failing and will probably fail until we can 
get lmms from Debian to build properly.

So, any more word?

Thanks,
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] availability of alternate DEs

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi,

If the below is accurate what issues could be encountered in terms of 
configuration?

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> On 10 Oct 2018, at 23:17, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
> 
> The "main DE's" now are at least GNOME, Cinnamon, MATE,KDE, XFCE,and LXDE
> and probably more.
> 
>> On 10/10/2018 at 2:11 AM, "Jonathan Aquilina"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Len,
>> 
>> Aren’t there just 3 Main DE’s. Correct me if I am wrong but aren’t 
>> you talking about corner cases here? Or are you also taking into 
>> consideration window managers?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On 08 Oct 2018, at 00:05, Len Ovens  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, 7 Oct 2018, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2018 15:27:25 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>>> Most DE's are designed not to conflict with any other DE
>>>> 
>>>> Yesno :D, for some more or less exceptional cases, regarding so 
>> called
>>>> major DEs, you and I know better :p. A "conflict" might not be 
>> the right
>>>> term for some issues, users could experience.
>>>> 
>>>> I would reduce it to switching between window mangers, never 
>> does cause
>>>> an issue, but switching between desktop environments not 
>> necessarily
>>>> does, but always could come with a pitfall.
>>> 
>>> The main thing is user config files which may be the same 
>> filename from DE to DE or worse, one DE might expand a user config 
>> file in a way another might not understand. Also, if there is a 
>> studio specific login and a DE login for the same DE, whichever 
>> login you use first will set user configs in the way that login 
>> sets up. Most DEs have a DE specific sub directory of .config, but 
>> in the case where the DE is just a modified version of another 
>> DE... who knows.
>>> 
>>> In general most people pick the DE they want and always use it.
>>> 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] availability of alternate DEs

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi Len,

Aren’t there just 3 Main DE’s. Correct me if I am wrong but aren’t you talking 
about corner cases here? Or are you also taking into consideration window 
managers?

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> On 08 Oct 2018, at 00:05, Len Ovens  wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 7 Oct 2018, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2018 15:27:25 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>> Most DE's are designed not to conflict with any other DE
>> 
>> Yesno :D, for some more or less exceptional cases, regarding so called
>> major DEs, you and I know better :p. A "conflict" might not be the right
>> term for some issues, users could experience.
>> 
>> I would reduce it to switching between window mangers, never does cause
>> an issue, but switching between desktop environments not necessarily
>> does, but always could come with a pitfall.
> 
> The main thing is user config files which may be the same filename from DE to 
> DE or worse, one DE might expand a user config file in a way another might 
> not understand. Also, if there is a studio specific login and a DE login for 
> the same DE, whichever login you use first will set user configs in the way 
> that login sets up. Most DEs have a DE specific sub directory of .config, but 
> in the case where the DE is just a modified version of another DE... who 
> knows.
> 
> In general most people pick the DE they want and always use it.
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] availability of alternate DEs

[Jonathan Aquilina]

That’s what would be great to see. Have you used centos? In that installer you 
can choose what packages such as DEs to install. What Ubuntu has should do the 
same

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> On 07 Oct 2018, at 18:01, Len Ovens  wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 7 Oct 2018, jaquil...@eagleeyet.net wrote:
>> 
>> I do like this direction things are going to be fair with the below 
>> suggestion.
>> 
>> Just some food for thought. Let us say i install normal ubuntu. if i install 
>> the meta package for kde version of studio obviously the gnome stuff will be 
>> removed and then the new KDE stuff will be installed right?
> 
> Actually no, one can run as many DEs as they would like to. KDA (Plasma) can 
> live along side gnome just fine.
> 
> There are relatively few conflicts between Studio and vanilla. The kernel 
> while not strictly a conflict does need tweaking to make sure the right one 
> runs if there is more than one. Some of the Codex we install do require the 
> simpler codex package be removed, though that doesn't affect regular desktop 
> use but rather extends it.
> 
> If we were to try allowing the user to DL and install a different DE at 
> install time, the user would also be able to choose not to install the DE the 
> ISO comes with.
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] hello

[Jonathan Aquilina]

irc nick on freenode is eagles0513875 now this summer i have a bit of an
issue on the 30th of june im getting married and then july im mostly
away on honeymoon and wont be back towards the end of july then away for
a few days in august.

So right now meetings are a bit hard for me to be fair. Next saturday i
will try and attend.

Are you on irc now?

On 15/06/2018 17:27, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
> On 6/15/2018 8:18 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>> I am interested but a bit rusty on python. i would need to setup a VM
>> with studio on it. Already have launch pad account sorted :) as well.
>>
> Awesome!  Could you provide a link to your IRC account, and do you have
> an IRC handle on Freenode as well?
> 
> Something I need to tell both you and Alex: we hold our official
> meetings on IRC every other Saturday at 1900, and will probably go
> weekly as release date gets closer. That said, we'll probably be every
> other week through the summer. That said, you'll find myself and Len
> Ovens (OvenWerks) discussing stuff at any time, so it wouldn't hurt to
> have a bouncer such as ZNC to keep you logged-in and lurking when you're
> not around.
> 
> Next meeting is on June 23rd at 1900 UTC in #ubuntustudio-devel on
> Freenode. :)
> 
> Erich
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] hello

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I am interested but a bit rusty on python. i would need to setup a VM
with studio on it. Already have launch pad account sorted :) as well.

On 15/06/2018 17:16, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
> On 6/14/2018 11:38 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>> Question what programming know how are you looking for exactly?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
> Hi Jonathan,
> 
> As you can see from the links I provided in the earlier email, it's
> mostly Python. Would you like to take a crack at it?
> 
> Erich
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] hello

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Question what programming know how are you looking for exactly?

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> On 15 Jun 2018, at 07:23, Erich Eickmeyer  wrote:
> 
>> On 6/14/2018 2:13 PM, Alex Martz wrote:
>> I'm Alex from MX, I'm a musician that uses ubuntu studio to produce
>> music, video and some kind of graphical items, in the other life, day
>> life I mean, Iwork in the IT bussisnes as oracle DBA and project
>> admin, I wanna colaborate please let me know how can I help.
>> Documentation is complicated because my native language is spanish, but
>> in the other issues could  help you.
>> 
>> Greetings!
> 
> Hi Alex!
> 
> I just got home from a very busy day at work. Thanks for taking the time
> to subscribe to the -devel list!
> 
> How are you at programming? We could use some help with package
> development in a couple places. For instance, I have been (albiet
> slowly) working on a rebrand of ubuntu-mate-welcome as
> ubuntustudio-welcome and software-boutique as ubuntustudio-boutiqe. They
> can be found at
> https://code.launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/ubuntustudio/+git/ubuntustudio-welcome
> and
> https://code.launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/ubuntustudio/+git/ubuntustudio-boutique
> respectively. If you have any programming experience, I could definitely
> use some help.
> 
> The first thing you'll need to do for that is create an account on
> Launchpad (where the code is hosted) and then we can add you to our
> development team.
> 
> Also, if you use Facebook, I'm finding most of the posts to our Facebook
> group seem to be from our spanish-speaking users, so feel free to add
> yourself there and help with answering questions if you can.
> 
> Another idea is if you'd like, while the #ubuntustudio IRC channel is
> for english-based help, there is #ubuntu-es which we redirect our
> spanish-speaking users to when they need help. Monitoring that channel
> and helping when you can would be a great addition.
> 
> Also, especially as we get closer to release dates, testing is a huge
> thing that has to be done, and while most of us chip-in, the more people
> we have the better.
> 
> So, feel free to reply and let us know what would be a good fit for you. :)
> 
> 
> Erich
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Sunday Meetings

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I couldnt make it yesterday. What did I miss?

On 05/04/2018 11:41, Set Hallstrom wrote:
> On 2018-04-04 01:30, Thomas Pfundt wrote:
>> On April 3, 2018 8:34 PM, Erich Eickmeyer 
>> wrote:
>>> Unfortunately. 10:00 (PDT) is a horrible time for me. I work for a
>>> church (specifically, audio & video production) and am eyeballs
>>> deep in services at that time. If there is another day at the same
>>> time, I’m pretty open for that.
>>
>> On April 3, 2018 9:23 PM, Len Ovens  wrote:
>>> I am in a similar position, I need to be out the door 15-20 mins
>>> before that time and won't be back till 3 hours later at the
>>> earliest, 6 if my wife is working and needs to be picked up.
>>
>> Well, okay. That's not going to work out. How does Saturday sound,
>> then? Same time?
>>
> 
> Saturdays are complicated for me. Sometimes it might work though, This
> coming one is impossible. But it's OK, go ahead without me I'll read up
> on the IRC log. :)
> 
> If only the newest members are present, it might give birth to funky
> ideas and impossible stuff, but i still think it is a good way to get to
> know each other and i'd rather see everyone go beyond the limits in
> terms of brainstorming: it will help us identify said limits and explore
> them. It is also my belief that it's easier to roll the rock back down
> than it is to push it up. Either way, hopefully someone with more
> experience will be able to attend.
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Introducing the potential new Ubuntu Studio Council

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I’m interested I remember when studio was first started I’m in the process of 
changing jobs and hope to have more time to experiment with studio 

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> On 23 Feb 2018, at 14:16, Ross Gammon  wrote:
> 
> Introducing the potential new Ubuntu Studio Council
> ===
> 
> Back in 2016, Set Hallström was elected as the  new Team Lead for
> Ubuntu Studio, just in time for the 16.04 Xenial Long Term Support
> (LTS) release. It was intended that Ubuntu Studio would be able to
> utilise Set's leadership skills at least up until the next LTS
> release in April 2018. Unfortunately, as happens occasionally in the
> world of volunteer work, Set's personal circumstances changed and he is
> no longer able to devote as much time to Ubuntu Studio as he would like.
> 
> Therefore, an IRC meeting was held between interested Ubuntu Studio
> contributors on 21st May 2017 to agree on how to fill the void. We
> decided to follow the lead of Xubuntu and create a Council to take care
> of Ubuntu Studio, rather than continuing to place the burden of
> leadership on the shoulder of one particular person.
> 
> Unfortunately, although the result was an agreement to form the first
> Ubuntu Studio Council from the meeting participants, we all got busy and
> the council was never set up.
> 
> Who was willing to be in the Ubuntu Studio Council?
> ---
> 
> The attendees of the IRC Meeting that were to form the Ubuntu Studio
> Council are: - **Set Hallström** (sakrecoer) - **Eylul** (eylul) -
> **Len Ovens** (len-ovenwerks) - **Ross Gammon** (rosco2)
> 
> Now times have changed, and Eylul and Ross have also become very busy.
> We are also aware that some regular contributors to Ubuntu Studio (I can
> think of Krytarik for example) were not present for the IRC meeting.
> 
> So, now we are considering expanding the size of that original proposed
> Council to try and bring in some new blood to Ubuntu Studio, and keep
> the project going. In particular, we really need someone to step up help
> with some leadership and direction, and build up the Ubuntu Studio teams.
> 
> How would the Ubuntu Studio Council Work?
> 
> 
> The Ubuntu Studio Council would exist to provide security and stability
> for the Ubuntu Studio project, and to spread the workload of
> administering the project. However, the actual work of producing
> and maintaining each release of Ubuntu Studio would not done by the
> Council. The actual work and decision making would be carried out,
> through the various existing teams (e.g. Artwork, Development,
> Testing, Website etc.). The council will of course help with
> agreeing the long term direction of Ubuntu Studio and resolving
> disputes as required.
> 
> The exact details of the working of the Ubuntu Studio Council need to be
> documented on our wiki, but the following points were discussed and are
> the likely way of working:
> 
> - A Council Chair
> will be elected from within the Council with a minimum term of one
> release of Ubuntu Studio.
> - Elections to the Council will be carried out yearly to encourage
> participation, and generate fresh ideas. Council membership terms will
> be set to expire at overlapping intervals for stability, and re-election
> is allowed.
> - The size of the council is preferably between 3 and 5 members.
> 
> What do you think? Want to help out and keep Ubuntu Studio going?
> -
> 
> If you have any questions about this, please make contact on the
> #ubuntustudio-devel IRC channel on irc.freenode.net, or the
> developer mailing list
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel.
> 
> If this has inspired you to help out, we are always after more
> help. Help to write and improve documentation, add new features,
> test and fix Ubuntu Studio applications, help users solve problems,
> is always welcome. Get in touch!
> 
> Please state whether you would like to join one of the teams and help out.
> 
> Please state whether you would be willing to join the council and be the
> chair/leader for a release cycle (or more).
> 
> Regards,
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Introducing the potential new Ubuntu Studio Council

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I’ll join I don’t use Ubuntu studio at the moment but I remember when it was 
first created.

I am in the process of changing jobs and hope to have more time to help and 
experiment on personal projects.


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> On 23 Feb 2018, at 14:16, Ross Gammon  wrote:
> 
> Introducing the potential new Ubuntu Studio Council
> ===
> 
> Back in 2016, Set Hallström was elected as the  new Team Lead for
> Ubuntu Studio, just in time for the 16.04 Xenial Long Term Support
> (LTS) release. It was intended that Ubuntu Studio would be able to
> utilise Set's leadership skills at least up until the next LTS
> release in April 2018. Unfortunately, as happens occasionally in the
> world of volunteer work, Set's personal circumstances changed and he is
> no longer able to devote as much time to Ubuntu Studio as he would like.
> 
> Therefore, an IRC meeting was held between interested Ubuntu Studio
> contributors on 21st May 2017 to agree on how to fill the void. We
> decided to follow the lead of Xubuntu and create a Council to take care
> of Ubuntu Studio, rather than continuing to place the burden of
> leadership on the shoulder of one particular person.
> 
> Unfortunately, although the result was an agreement to form the first
> Ubuntu Studio Council from the meeting participants, we all got busy and
> the council was never set up.
> 
> Who was willing to be in the Ubuntu Studio Council?
> ---
> 
> The attendees of the IRC Meeting that were to form the Ubuntu Studio
> Council are: - **Set Hallström** (sakrecoer) - **Eylul** (eylul) -
> **Len Ovens** (len-ovenwerks) - **Ross Gammon** (rosco2)
> 
> Now times have changed, and Eylul and Ross have also become very busy.
> We are also aware that some regular contributors to Ubuntu Studio (I can
> think of Krytarik for example) were not present for the IRC meeting.
> 
> So, now we are considering expanding the size of that original proposed
> Council to try and bring in some new blood to Ubuntu Studio, and keep
> the project going. In particular, we really need someone to step up help
> with some leadership and direction, and build up the Ubuntu Studio teams.
> 
> How would the Ubuntu Studio Council Work?
> 
> 
> The Ubuntu Studio Council would exist to provide security and stability
> for the Ubuntu Studio project, and to spread the workload of
> administering the project. However, the actual work of producing
> and maintaining each release of Ubuntu Studio would not done by the
> Council. The actual work and decision making would be carried out,
> through the various existing teams (e.g. Artwork, Development,
> Testing, Website etc.). The council will of course help with
> agreeing the long term direction of Ubuntu Studio and resolving
> disputes as required.
> 
> The exact details of the working of the Ubuntu Studio Council need to be
> documented on our wiki, but the following points were discussed and are
> the likely way of working:
> 
> - A Council Chair
> will be elected from within the Council with a minimum term of one
> release of Ubuntu Studio.
> - Elections to the Council will be carried out yearly to encourage
> participation, and generate fresh ideas. Council membership terms will
> be set to expire at overlapping intervals for stability, and re-election
> is allowed.
> - The size of the council is preferably between 3 and 5 members.
> 
> What do you think? Want to help out and keep Ubuntu Studio going?
> -
> 
> If you have any questions about this, please make contact on the
> #ubuntustudio-devel IRC channel on irc.freenode.net, or the
> developer mailing list
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel.
> 
> If this has inspired you to help out, we are always after more
> help. Help to write and improve documentation, add new features,
> test and fix Ubuntu Studio applications, help users solve problems,
> is always welcome. Get in touch!
> 
> Please state whether you would like to join one of the teams and help out.
> 
> Please state whether you would be willing to join the council and be the
> chair/leader for a release cycle (or more).
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ross Gammon
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Coming Ubuntu Studio Releases

[Jonathan Aquilina]

What kind of guidance are you guys looking for?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Feb 2018, at 19:53, Len Ovens  wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 22 Feb 2018, Ross Gammon wrote:
>> 
>> Ubuntu Studio 18.04 Final Beta: April 5th. I should be around for that.
>> Ubuntu Studio 18.04 Final Release: April 19th - 26th. I will not be 
>> available for
>> that (due to work).
>> Who is around to help testing for the first 3?
> 
> I will try to be.
>> Should we release 18.04 at all?
> 
> I would say yes. There is enough with just application upgrades to make it 
> worthwhile I think.
> 
> The other end of it is that if 18.04 is not released, it is probably not 
> worth keeping Studio around at all. 16.04 is already too old in many ways... 
> the big thing is that developers of some of applications Studio ships are 
> getting bug reports on issues they have fixed years ago.
> 
> Unless someone has the time to step up and steer this beast, I think it is 
> finished.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Our website

[Jonathan Aquilina]

One thing that wasnt mentioned here. If you guys use google chrome, and
im not sure if chromium supports this but have you all noticed the
browser shows you if a site is secure and using https or not? It seems
like they are cracking down on http based sites. 

I have experience with Lets encrypt and its super duper easy to work
with, especially using apache certbot.

---
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Jonathan Aquilina 

On 2017-05-31 04:25, Len Ovens wrote:

> On Tue, 30 May 2017, Hank Stanglow wrote:
> 
>> use https. I just did a nmap of ubuntustudio.org and see that it's running 
>> Apache 2.4.7 on Ubuntu which I believe means 14.04 (Trusty). Setting up 
>> Let's Encrypt on 14.04 is a bit of a hassle. I tried it for a few days before
> 
> As happens I have set up letsencript on 14.04 and found it easy. I use it for 
> squirrelmail, but having read this, I will probably move the rest of my web 
> pages into https as well.
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Video

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Did not mean to derail the thread, I did leave it be and the funny thing this 
is outlook 2016 on an office 365 subscription. Email provider is me myself and 
I on my own server setup. Anyway no harm no foul and sorry for the noise.

-Original Message-
From: ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com 
[mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Set Hallstrom
Sent: 18 September 2016 11:08
To: ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Video


> 
> From: ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com
> [mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of One 
> Chamois
> Sent: 18 September 2016 09:33
> To: ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Video
> 
>  
> 
> Hello everyone!
> 
> I'm sending you the second version of the video.
> 
> As the first version, this video is rendered with 50 samples.
> 
> https://youtu.be/QZaXJIk6kQU
> 
> Best regards
> 

This is great!!! \o/ thank you very much!!! i can probably suck it down 
from youtube, i'd very much like to serve the file from archive.org or our own 
server if we embedd it on the website.

Let me know if you want me to render it for you. :)

söndagen den 18:e september 2016 kl. 09:37:20 CEST, Jonathan Aquilina 
<jaquil...@eagleeyet.net> skrev:
> This is odd,
>
> The attachment is a .sql file. Im suspecting spam here.
> 

i see no attachement, but a link. This is defenitly not spam. Maybe something 
with how your client interpretates mails in different formats? 
Ask your mail provider maybe? I don't know, but i would just let that file be 
if i was you.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Video

[Jonathan Aquilina]

This is odd,

 

The attachment is a .sql file. Im suspecting spam here.

 

From: ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com 
[mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of One Chamois
Sent: 18 September 2016 09:33
To: ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Video

 

Hello everyone!

I'm sending you the second version of the video.

As the first version, this video is rendered with 50 samples.

https://youtu.be/QZaXJIk6kQU

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Shimmer and Numix

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I too am in Europe as well. Will try hop in this evening 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 07 Aug 2016, at 17:59, Set Hallstrom <s...@ubuntustudio.org> wrote:
> 
> söndagen den 7:e augusti 2016 kl. 13:23:40 CEST, Jonathan Aquilina 
> <jaquil...@eagleeyet.net> skrev:
>> I will try and get a vm running and so I can try things out that is if you 
>> want me to take charge and contribute :)
> 
> You are very welcome to contribute :) Drop by the IRC channel 
> #ubuntustudio-devel on freenode sometime and have a chat with us (if you 
> aren't already there). If it's quiet it just means everyone is sleeping 
> (majority of the group is in Europe) or busy elsewhere at that moment :)
> 
> Yours,
> 
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Shimmer and Numix

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I think a vm is the first order of business. Will try and get this sorted this 
evening

Sent from my iPhone

> On 07 Aug 2016, at 13:09, Set Hallstrom  wrote:
> 
> lol, my bad. my settings in the mailing list doesn't send me copies if i'm 
> already among the recipients, and my mobil client requires a click to show 
> the full recipient list :D
> 
> let me add i was very happy to find your email this morning :) it would be so 
> awesome to have a customized theme!
> 
> Krytarik suggested we look into how to package it for debian, so that more 
> distros can benefit from it. What do you guys think? Ross, could you 
> help/guide Jonathan on this one?
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Set
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Shimmer and Numix

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I will try and get a vm running and so I can try things out that is if you want 
me to take charge and contribute :)

Sent from my iPhone

> On 07 Aug 2016, at 10:56, Set Hallstrom <s...@ubuntustudio.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> 
> Basically it consists in always making sure that our modified branch stays 
> consistent with the changes made upstream.
> 
> I'm told that is in a few steps basically, just 1.) pull the source somehow, 
> 2.) install the build depends, 3.) 'sed' the thing, to replace the colors 4.) 
> run 'make' in its top directory.
> 
> I understand it can be challenging and intimidating to answer to the list, 
> but i would prefer if you asked via that chanel in the future. It doesn't 
> bother me that you adress me in private, on the contrary: i feel honored. 
> What i'm thinking is that often times the group has better answers than me 
> alone and other devels night benefit from your questions and the answers it 
> generates :) Its just a matter of transparency: motivation is contagious ;)
> 
> have nice sunday!
> 
> yours,
> Sakrecoer
> 
> lördagen den 6:e augusti 2016 kl. 23:14:55 CEST, Jonathan Aquilina 
> <jaquil...@eagleeyet.net> skrev:
>> Hi Set, Can you advise what it will contain to help maintain a UStudio 
>> branch of
>> numix?
>>> On 2016-08-06 23:13, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>>>> On 2016-08-05 21:47, Ross Gammon wrote: 
>>>> I saw it :-)
>>>> I have always been very boring, and just got on with what ever default
>>>> theme was given to me by my distro. So I generally don't have much of an
>>>> opinion in this area.
>>>> So - a go for it from me. The less delta we have from xubuntu, the
>>>> easier it is to get help from those guys.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Ross
>>> Thanks Ross :)
>>> It seems that changing the highlight color of Numix to our blue is a
>>> harder task than expected and would imply maintaining our own branch of
>>> it. Not sure we have anyone who is up for that.
>>> In short: Numix would work /if/ we can live with red highlight color?
>>> Then again, non of the existing ready made options i know of fit the
>>> Ubuntu Studio color scheme fully.
>>> Anyone else want to have a say or have ideas? Or better: maybe someone
>>> wants to maintain a Numix UbuntuStudioBlue theme for us? :)
>>> Let's think about it until Wednesday 10th august ;)
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Shimmer and Numix

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi Set, 

Can you advise what it will contain to help maintain a UStudio branch of
numix?

On 2016-08-06 23:13, Set Hallstrom wrote:

> On 2016-08-05 21:47, Ross Gammon wrote: 
> 
>> I saw it :-)
>> 
>> I have always been very boring, and just got on with what ever default
>> theme was given to me by my distro. So I generally don't have much of an
>> opinion in this area.
>> 
>> So - a go for it from me. The less delta we have from xubuntu, the
>> easier it is to get help from those guys.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Ross
> 
> Thanks Ross :)
> 
> It seems that changing the highlight color of Numix to our blue is a
> harder task than expected and would imply maintaining our own branch of
> it. Not sure we have anyone who is up for that.
> 
> In short: Numix would work /if/ we can live with red highlight color?
> Then again, non of the existing ready made options i know of fit the
> Ubuntu Studio color scheme fully.
> 
> Anyone else want to have a say or have ideas? Or better: maybe someone
> wants to maintain a Numix UbuntuStudioBlue theme for us? :)
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] i386 EOL plans for Ubuntu Studio?

[Jonathan Aquilina]

The below is an interesting thought and I apologize for barging in but I
am a lurker on the list more than anything, but what will happen if main
line kernel removes support for particular hardware features either way
you still to an extent be forced to upgrade or stagnate with that
version of Ubuntu studio and those package which once no longer
supported could cause issues in the form of security vulnerabilities.

On 2016-07-19 19:24, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:

> One issue in audio is that huge numbers of older 32 bit machines considered
> "slower than smartphones" for huge, JS heavy websites and Internet video are
> still as good for audio work as they ever were. The very first Pentium 4's 
> were
> able to run things like Audacity with no video rendering glitches for realtime
> spectrum display, and back on 2004 I even did audio news reports on an 
> original Pentium laptop and in another location on Pentium II's. On those
> machines realtime spectrum display lagged badly but the recordings were fine.
> 
> On the other hand, using a phone for editing news audio would not be fun ay
> all as fingers are not high precision pointers.
> 
> This being so, there is no reason for any existing set of dedicated audio 
> workstations
> to be replaced on grounds of hardware age unless they either deal with online 
> (and 
> overweight)  websites or have physically died of component failure. 
> 
> Newer distros may well decide to target newer machines simply to limit the 
> range they
> have to support, but if this is so the value of backporting newer editing 
> programs into older
> distros (as optional not mandatory updates) rises a lot.
> 
> On 7/19/2016 at 12:45 PM, "Set Hallstrom"  wrote: 
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks for reaching out!
> 
> On 2016-07-11 20:50, Bryan Quigley wrote:
> 
> *Wait until after 18.04 and then reconsider dropping i386*
> 
> This is what i am in favor of.
> 
> That is: I am also in favor of keeping 32bit version. I also value 
> the
> ecological aspect of reusing old machines, and motivating friends 
> and
> acquaintances to reuse their old machine as an excuse to introduce 
> them
> to FLOSS, as Len and Yoshi express. Given the small size of the 
> team,
> i'm sure we would save a lot of sweat by dropping 32-bit. But i 
> think
> that argument says more about the work we need to do to repopulate 
> the
> team, than what system we should support or not.
> 
> On that note, i'd like to say: Welcome to the list, Yoshi. :)
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Immutable Page

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Not to barge in here, but I am subscribed to the ubuntu doc's team mailing
list and they had been getting hit hard with spam so they locked the wiki
down both community side as well as main wiki.If I am not mistaken only
particular individuals have permissions to make edits to the wiki's

Jonathan Aquilina

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 10:14 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net>
wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 20:57:35 +0100, floccul...@gmx.co.uk wrote:
> >Not sure that joining a LP group is really that much of a hardship tbh.
> (
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2016-April/007640.html
> )
>
> Did you notice that e.g.
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases was last edited 2016-02-05?
>
> While Wikipdia about Ubuntu was edited today?
>
> Likely people aren't aware what's going on ;), so yes, it's hard, if
> you don't know what to do.
>
> In my case, I dislike to subscribe to another instance to contribute.
> There are not that many experienced Linux pro-audio users spending time
> to edit help pages related to this domain. Any additional
> time-consuming steps are bad. In addition I mistrust that the reason
> for this approach is spam.
>
> Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio and Pulseaudio

[Jonathan Aquilina]

What I think would be nice to have since jack and or alsa is the default.
Why not replace pulse with one of those two or during install give the user
the option on which one to install?

Jonathan Aquilina

On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 10:24 PM, <br...@linuxsynths.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> although pulseaudio wasn't causing the problem I was having with this
> particular instrument, when I run "top" or "htop" in the terminal,
> pulseaudio is always near the top of the list of threads, even though I
> have never used it.  So I did uninstall it (remove rather than purge) and
> things still work fine as far as I have seen so far.
>
> Although I don't use pulseaudio and I don't know it very well, I have read
> from many people who use linux for audio production that alsa and jack are
> the preferred systems.
>
> It would be nice if Jack would connect to Firefox automatically; as things
> are right now it doesn't (afaik) without a specific "flash-to-jack" file
> that I have used on another pc but not the current installation. (I don't
> think it's in the ubuntustudio repos either..)   Or maybe there are other,
> better ways to connect Jack to a web browser, I don't know. Perhaps it's
> the web browsers' responsability to allow connection to Jack..?
>
>
>
> brian
>
>
>
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 07:40:04 -0800 (PST), Len Ovens wrote:
>
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2015, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 06:25:11 -0800 (PST), Len Ovens wrote:
>
> any desktop application that requires pulse will not hang or fail
>
> Hi Len, what app does hang or fail, if the pulseaudio package is removed
> or replaced by a dummy package? I'm not aware of any app and I don't see a
> reason to have pulseaudio installed, if a user doesn't want to use it. IIUC
> the OP doesn't use pulseaudio at all. On my Linux installs I never
> experienced an issue with pulseaudio removed or replaced by a dummy
> package. I never used pulseaudio.
>
> The OP was guessing that pulse caused problems, not sure. So the best
> thing to do is check first before doing surgery. A few commandline checks
> will confirm if PA is really the problem or something else.
>
> Desktop applications that use audio will hang or just stop and wait for
> audio if the device is blocked by jack unless an alternate route is set
> up. If the user understands this, it is not a problem, most don't. Not
> that many years ago, linux was a one audio use at a time and users
> understood that, but most expect audio to interleave like other OS do
> any more.
>
> I am well aware that you do not use pulse and will look for any oportunity
> to suggest others remove it too. You are welcome to support all those who
> choose to remove pulse. :)  However, most of us barely have time to
> support things as they are without also supporting Fankenstien setups.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Oh no, please not that again: Desktop Agnostic, Was: Re: Gedit

[Jonathan Aquilina]

In terms of the enlightenment team, they just released E20 and there is
lots of activity on the mailing list. I cant give you numbers but I have
seen a fair number of developers from samsung that are working with
enlightnement for the Tizen SDK and lots of new developers. Latest version
if i am not mistaken even includes support for wayland.

I get loads of emails on a daily basis from their mailing list so there is
quite a fair bit of activity going on.

Jonathan Aquilina

On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net>
wrote:

> Since manpower is an issue, it might be better to consider to at least
> stay with a DE/WM from an Ubuntu flavour.
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFlavors
>
> Lubuntu comes with openbox, unfortunately LXDE is tricky, regarding the
> transition to Qt.
>
> Other issues speaking against Enlightenment:
>
> The German Wiki mentions non-standard binary configurations for
> Enlightenment, https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Enlightenment. Is this
> wanted? How huge is the developer team?
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Desktop Agnostic, Was: Re: Gedit

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Just some thoughts here and I know probably my input wont matter much.

Why not use enlightenment WM. It is lightweight and super quick. I think
for an multimedia based distribution it would be a great way to go so that
one can maximise resource usage by the multimedia applications.

Jonathan Aquilina

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Kaj Ailomaa <zeque...@mousike.me> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015, at 04:20 PM, Len Ovens wrote:
> > On Thu, 26 Nov 2015, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> >
> > > But, to become truly desktop agnostic, we still need to solve a few
> > > things.
> > > * a way to install any existing DE with Ubuntu Studio specific stuff on
> > > top by installing either only ubuntustudio-desktop (would require an
> > > install script with both gui and terminal options), or having one
> Ubuntu
> > > Studio package for each DE (ubuntustudio-xfce, ubuntustudio-kde, etc).
> >
> > I think the way to do this is to make Studio only minimally different.
> > Right now we have /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio. I am not sure we _have_ to
> > have that. Menu changes are not really in there anyway already. Is there
> > another way to set backdrop/icons? Do we need to do more than that? It
> > looks like enough with xubuntu and I would think for K, L, vanilla, etc.
> > we want to leave it enough alone that the user feels they are still using
> > the DE of choice. We could have separate directories in /etc/xdg/ and
> > only
> > install the one session desktop file to go with whatever DE is actually
> > installed I guess. We need an Icon theme for each DE that just puts our
> > few custom icons on top of the standard ones or we need to make sure ours
> > are uniquely named and just put them in hicolour which everything should
> > inherit anyway.
>
> Yeah, it pretty much comes down to theming. If we are prepared to drop
> our own, the solution is quite simple.
>
> But, if we do want our own custom desktop specific for audio use, with
> absolute control of every single service in the system we need our own
> desktop seed and settings. We aren't doing that currently. Our desktop
> meta is an old version of Xubuntu's with a few changes since, so it's
> not like we would be dropping our own desktop setup - since we have
> none, so to speak.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Elementary OS

[Jonathan Aquilina]

LMMS was mentioned in this email and development is moving forward on leaps
and bounds. We hope to soon be releasing version 1.2 with lots of new
features and lots of bug fixes and overall code improvements. If you are a
developer and would like to contribute to this community feel free to
contact me and i can get you on the right mailing list etc.

Jonathan Aquilina

On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Len Ovens <l...@ovenwerks.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Sep 2015, ttoine wrote:
>
> Ardour 4 don't need jackd anymore. All software can work on jackd, or with
>> alsa
>> directly (uncluding Mixbus and Lightworks). Jackd is usefull is you look
>> for an
>> alternative to Propelerheads Rewire, and combine with Patchage, we can
>> definitevely speak about it this way.
>>
>
> While Ardour4 does not need jack anymore, it still works better with jack
> than without. MIDI especially works better as jack provides sample accurate
> MIDI events. Also, Ardour4 with alsa has some limitations that running Jack
> can get around, such as using a different device for input and output...
> which (unfortunately) is becoming more common.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

[Jonathan Aquilina]

You guys mention blender its not for normal videos. It is more for 3d
animated movies etc.

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:43 AM, ttoine tto...@ttoine.net wrote:

 Pitivi is being completely rewriten and the current 0.94 is miss a few
 thing, and is quite stable.

 Openshot is not stable, that it a real issue. Otherwise it would be a good
 alternative to iMovie.

 Blender can be very interesting, but it needs some preparation to really
 be focused on Video. (I mean, if you want to use it just for that, and have
 quite the same look'n feel than other NLE). A good solution could be to
 integrate the Blender Velvets in Ubuntu Studio:
 http://blendervelvets.org/

 This is a set of Blender plugins to add, that will correct keyboard
 shorcuts, add Ardour sync for complete audio edition, and other very useful
 addons, focused on video editing.

 What do you think of this idea ?

 Antoine



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 Tél: 0663137906

 2015-05-12 11:03 GMT+02:00 Set Hallstrom sakrec...@gmail.com:

 My frustration issues with pitivi and openshot are not the lack of
 features, its stability. They both hate my hair and have forced me to
 pull it off too many times.

 My first editing was on iMovie then later finalcut, then kdenliv and
 finaly blender. My opinion about blender is that it's erroneous to
 reduce blender to a mere 3d editing/animation software. The way i see
 it, it's a complete movie making suit. A merge of 3ds max, finalcut,
 aftereffects and photoshop in one single piece of aprox 200mb software.
 I'm sure you have all seen Tears of Steel?
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6MlUcmOul8
 This movie was made 3 years ago: LOTS of things have happened since.

 While i agree that blender has particularly unique interface, video
 editing is NEVER easy.

 Like Jimmy wrote:

  Kdenlive is quite powerful, but not the best GUI. This might have
  changed with the latest version though. You can with some work do a
  lot but it _more often require google skills_ and reading forums to
  understand how to do it.

 I think this applies to any video software, from a beginner point of
 view. No matter what level, the user is physically alone with it's
 version of ubuntustudio, hence no matter what video software we put
 there, what jimmy wrote applies:

  I think it's a big step for someone new to linux to give them an
  advance 3D application, here go do some videos!

 This said, due to their pedagogic approach, i can see why either
 openshot or pitivi should stay. But i firmly believe we should pick out
 one.

 Kaj: There is a way to start blender with a different set of Environment
 Variables including $BLENDER_USER_CONFIG (Directory for user
 configuration files.) So it feasible.

 Now, misunderstand me right, i'm open to include all of them as it is
 now. But i think it would be less confusing with less choices. This is
 solely based on my own expertise, where i have spent many hours working
 with one, to realize in frustration that i should have started with
 another one in the first place

 Let's find a good sollution :)

 Have a great day y'all!

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Feature Spec Discussion: introduce ubuntustudio-audio-minimal meta package

[Jonathan Aquilina]

If you are looking for a DAW and one that isnt to bulky why not look into
LMMS. We are looking at getting 1.1 released this cycle sometime next
month. It supports a number of back ends from alsa to pulse to jack as well
as a wide range of plugins from LADSP zynsubaddfx and VST's and much more.


On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 5:09 AM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote:

 On Thu, 22 May 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

  On Wed, 2014-05-21 at 13:54 -0700, Len Ovens wrote:

 On Wed, 21 May 2014, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:

 pulseaudio-module-jack
 gladish


 I wouldn't include pulseaudio and especially not gladish.


 Hard to take your idea about pulse seriously as your hate for both pulse
 and it's author have been well expressed. I knpw there are ways to get
 around using pulse and still having desktop sound, but they all require
 hacking the desktop packages to make it happen. This would require more
 maintenance than we are ever likely to have manpower for.

 I personally don't use gladish either, but it may make test setup more
 reproducable in some cases.


  The only thing I can think that is missing is some kind of patch bay for
 jack.


 I would include aj-snapshot. Not a patchbay, but a good tool to store
 and restore connections.


 Anything that can show what is connected, what ports are available and
 allows connecting ports in some easier way than typing out the whole port
 names.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] WM/DE

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Wouldnt it be better to go with something with high performance and super
light weight in terms of either a window manager or DE.

I have tried enlightenment and its rather light weight and rather zippy.
reason being is its coded in native c/c++. is this something advantageous
for a suite geared at multimedia, in otherwords keeping ram usage low in
terms of the WM/DE  so the rest of the ram can be used by apps?


On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote:

 On Arch and Debian I use JWM. I used Xfce4 before I switched to JWM. I
 still have the option to use Xfce4, but I don't want to do this. Soon
 I'll switch from Xfce4 to JWM for *buntu installs too.

 Ubuntu Studio developers, you should test JWM for a while.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Naming the metas, WAS:Re: Feature Spec discussion: ubuntustudio-desktop

[Jonathan Aquilina]

In regard to the names why not stick with

kubuntu lubunutu xubuntu etc for the names? and ubuntu can be going or
unity?


On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote:



 On Sun, May 18, 2014, at 03:53 PM, Len Ovens wrote:
  On Sun, 18 May 2014, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
 
   I would suggest we name the metas and the desktop sessions:
  
   ubuntustudio-gnome
   ubuntustudio-kde
   ubuntustudio-lxde
   ubuntustudio-unity
   ubuntustudio-xfce
 
  Does the one that comes stock need to have it's own name? or should it be
  called -custom? I guess my question is shouldn't the user be aware which
  DE is considered default and is most customised/tested?
 

 I think the custom meta should just be called ubuntustudio-desktop, as
 now.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [LMMS-devel] Bastardized 1.0 in 14.04

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Timo im going to email you later as we have a bigger issue with our master
branch and bzr
On 15 Apr 2014 10:14, Timo Jyrinki timo.jyri...@gmail.com wrote:

 2014-04-14 10:32 GMT+03:00 Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com:
  @Timo if we file an SRU is it safe to say that we have you to back such a
  request?

 Sure. I can probably help best by reviewing any branch that's
 suggested to be merged against
 https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/lmms/trusty
 as part of that SRU.

 So here's a recap of what needs to be understood and done (there might
 be other ways too):
 1. bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/lmms/trusty # Base
 your branch on the current packaging branch in trusty, which includes
 both upstream sources and the debian/ packaging
 2. Have Israel set up https://launchpad.net/lmms so that in addition
 to lp:lmms there's a code branch that tracks upstream 1.0.0-stable in
 addition to master
 3. bzr merge lp:lmms/1.0.0-stable # (example, after the branch is there)
 3.-2. Another possibility to 2./3. would be if there's eg. a 1.0.1
 tarball, or a git archive:d 1.0.0+git20140415.abcdabcd tarball, and
 use bzr merge-upstream (see --help for instructions) and forget about
 bzr upstream mirror branches
 4. Edit changelog to indicate a newer snapshot from the stable branch,
 refer to the LP bug where you describe the problem being solved in the
 SRU
 5. Drop patches that are already part of the stable branch
 6. Push your branch to eg lp:~myname/ubuntu/trusty/lmms/trusty_SRU and
 use Launchpad web interface to propose it for merging against
 lp:~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/lmms/trusty
 7. Follow all https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates guidelines
 in setting the bug description et cetera

 The package should be buildable from the branch with 'bzr bd' (apt-get
 install bzr-builddeb) without errors of any kind.

 -Timo (Mirv @ Freenode)


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