Re: [ubuntu-uk] Truly, a vanilla install
Rowan, Rowan Berkeley wrote: It makes it sound as if I can't be bothered to read the help notes before taking up people's time, which is not the case. I was just tired. I have read the help notes now, and it seems that solid colour in the icon boxes means a package is broken, and that 'complete removal' means the removal of the principal package and all its dependencies. However, it isn't always completely obvious which one the principal item is. No, removal of a package will remove all the files installed for that package but it will leave any configuration files behind. Complete removal will remove the configuration files as well. Getting rid of dependencies is separate. I just tried removing package 'firefox' and no dependencies were affected. I then tried removing 'firefox-3.0' and 5 or so dependencies were also marked for removal. It was the same set for removal and complete-removal. Maybe someone else can explain this behaviour. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold,Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security,Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: tony.arn...@manchester.ac.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Truly, a vanilla install
Firefox is a metapackage - whatever the exact description of that entails I know not. I just think of metapackages as boxes with other 'stuff' in - not very technical but it get's me by :) - similarly ubuntu-desktop (and kubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop) are metapackages. Firefox-3.0 is actually the firefox app and it has it's dependencies. Kev Tony Arnold wrote: Rowan, Rowan Berkeley wrote: It makes it sound as if I can't be bothered to read the help notes before taking up people's time, which is not the case. I was just tired. I have read the help notes now, and it seems that solid colour in the icon boxes means a package is broken, and that 'complete removal' means the removal of the principal package and all its dependencies. However, it isn't always completely obvious which one the principal item is. No, removal of a package will remove all the files installed for that package but it will leave any configuration files behind. Complete removal will remove the configuration files as well. Getting rid of dependencies is separate. I just tried removing package 'firefox' and no dependencies were affected. I then tried removing 'firefox-3.0' and 5 or so dependencies were also marked for removal. It was the same set for removal and complete-removal. Maybe someone else can explain this behaviour. Regards, Tony. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Truly, a vanilla install
And because I forgot - while complete removal will remove the configuration files as well it doesn;t to my knowledge deal with any personal configs in your home directory Kev Kev wrote: Firefox is a metapackage - whatever the exact description of that entails I know not. I just think of metapackages as boxes with other 'stuff' in - not very technical but it get's me by :) - similarly ubuntu-desktop (and kubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop) are metapackages. Firefox-3.0 is actually the firefox app and it has it's dependencies. Kev Tony Arnold wrote: Rowan, Rowan Berkeley wrote: It makes it sound as if I can't be bothered to read the help notes before taking up people's time, which is not the case. I was just tired. I have read the help notes now, and it seems that solid colour in the icon boxes means a package is broken, and that 'complete removal' means the removal of the principal package and all its dependencies. However, it isn't always completely obvious which one the principal item is. No, removal of a package will remove all the files installed for that package but it will leave any configuration files behind. Complete removal will remove the configuration files as well. Getting rid of dependencies is separate. I just tried removing package 'firefox' and no dependencies were affected. I then tried removing 'firefox-3.0' and 5 or so dependencies were also marked for removal. It was the same set for removal and complete-removal. Maybe someone else can explain this behaviour. Regards, Tony. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Truly, a vanilla install
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Kev ubu...@talktalk.net wrote: And because I forgot - while complete removal will remove the configuration files as well it doesn;t to my knowledge deal with any personal configs in your home directory I don't think plug-ins get installed in the home directory, do they? If so, then it presumably would be easy to ditch them... just an rm -rf .mozilla or whatever the directory is... next time Firefox starts it can re-configure itself back to default. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Truly, a vanilla install
Sean Miller wrote: I don't think plug-ins get installed in the home directory, do they? If so, then it presumably would be easy to ditch them... just an rm -rf .mozilla or whatever the directory is... next time Firefox starts it can re-configure itself back to default. AFAIK, your whole profile for Firefox is in /home/$USER/.mozilla/firefox/ and has a name of the form '.default' where the x's are a meaningless sequence of letters and numbers. If you close Firefox and delete the .default directory, Firefox will create a new 'vanilla' profile when you restart it. (Extensions are stored in the particular profile they refer to, so they'll go. You will, of course, lose any bookmarks and other personalisations - though you can save the bookmarks.html file, and restore to your new profile.). Anyway, there's no need to reinstall the whole of Firefox if it's not broken. I'd be inclined to try deleting the profile first; you can always do a complete reinstall if it's really necessary. HTH mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Truly, a vanilla install
That sounds so straightforward, even I couldn't mess it up :-) On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 10:24 +, mac wrote: Sean Miller wrote: I don't think plug-ins get installed in the home directory, do they? If so, then it presumably would be easy to ditch them... just an rm -rf .mozilla or whatever the directory is... next time Firefox starts it can re-configure itself back to default. AFAIK, your whole profile for Firefox is in /home/$USER/.mozilla/firefox/ and has a name of the form '.default' where the x's are a meaningless sequence of letters and numbers. If you close Firefox and delete the .default directory, Firefox will create a new 'vanilla' profile when you restart it. (Extensions are stored in the particular profile they refer to, so they'll go. You will, of course, lose any bookmarks and other personalisations - though you can save the bookmarks.html file, and restore to your new profile.). Anyway, there's no need to reinstall the whole of Firefox if it's not broken. I'd be inclined to try deleting the profile first; you can always do a complete reinstall if it's really necessary. HTH mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Truly, a vanilla install
I was talking more generally - not mozilla specific Kev Sean Miller wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Kev ubu...@talktalk.net wrote: And because I forgot - while complete removal will remove the configuration files as well it doesn;t to my knowledge deal with any personal configs in your home directory I don't think plug-ins get installed in the home directory, do they? If so, then it presumably would be easy to ditch them... just an rm -rf .mozilla or whatever the directory is... next time Firefox starts it can re-configure itself back to default. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Truly, a vanilla install
I don't seem to have a /home/$USER/ folder. There's nothing in /home/ except /Rowan/, and nothing in /Rowan/ except /examples/. I did see a folder called /Lost Found/ but it disappeared when I tried to open it, after telling me I didn't have permission to do so. On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 10:24 +, mac wrote: Sean Miller wrote: I don't think plug-ins get installed in the home directory, do they? If so, then it presumably would be easy to ditch them... just an rm -rf .mozilla or whatever the directory is... next time Firefox starts it can re-configure itself back to default. AFAIK, your whole profile for Firefox is in /home/$USER/.mozilla/firefox/ and has a name of the form '.default' where the x's are a meaningless sequence of letters and numbers. If you close Firefox and delete the .default directory, Firefox will create a new 'vanilla' profile when you restart it. (Extensions are stored in the particular profile they refer to, so they'll go. You will, of course, lose any bookmarks and other personalisations - though you can save the bookmarks.html file, and restore to your new profile.). Anyway, there's no need to reinstall the whole of Firefox if it's not broken. I'd be inclined to try deleting the profile first; you can always do a complete reinstall if it's really necessary. HTH mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Truly, a vanilla install
no, I had to tick show hidden files first, I see it now.' On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 10:24 +, mac wrote: Sean Miller wrote: I don't think plug-ins get installed in the home directory, do they? If so, then it presumably would be easy to ditch them... just an rm -rf .mozilla or whatever the directory is... next time Firefox starts it can re-configure itself back to default. AFAIK, your whole profile for Firefox is in /home/$USER/.mozilla/firefox/ and has a name of the form '.default' where the x's are a meaningless sequence of letters and numbers. If you close Firefox and delete the .default directory, Firefox will create a new 'vanilla' profile when you restart it. (Extensions are stored in the particular profile they refer to, so they'll go. You will, of course, lose any bookmarks and other personalisations - though you can save the bookmarks.html file, and restore to your new profile.). Anyway, there's no need to reinstall the whole of Firefox if it's not broken. I'd be inclined to try deleting the profile first; you can always do a complete reinstall if it's really necessary. HTH mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Truly, a vanilla install
Your $USER folder IS /Rowan - $USER is a term for 'your username here'. .mozilla is a hidden folder ( as is any folder beginning in a . ), so open up /home/Rowan and press ctrl + H, I think, to show all hidden folders. Press this key combo again to hide them. Simon Wears munkyju...@gmail.com http://MunkyJunky.com | http://Twitter.com/MunkyJunky MunkyJunky on irc.freenode.net On 15 Mar 2009, at 12:30, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@googlemail.com wrote: I don't seem to have a /home/$USER/ folder. There's nothing in /home/ except /Rowan/, and nothing in /Rowan/ except /examples/. I did see a folder called /Lost Found/ but it disappeared when I tried to open it, after telling me I didn't have permission to do so. On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 10:24 +, mac wrote: Sean Miller wrote: I don't think plug-ins get installed in the home directory, do they? If so, then it presumably would be easy to ditch them... just an rm -rf .mozilla or whatever the directory is... next time Firefox starts it can re-configure itself back to default. AFAIK, your whole profile for Firefox is in /home/$USER/.mozilla/ firefox/ and has a name of the form '.default' where the x's are a meaningless sequence of letters and numbers. If you close Firefox and delete the .default directory, Firefox will create a new 'vanilla' profile when you restart it. (Extensions are stored in the particular profile they refer to, so they'll go. You will, of course, lose any bookmarks and other personalisations - though you can save the bookmarks.html file, and restore to your new profile.). Anyway, there's no need to reinstall the whole of Firefox if it's not broken. I'd be inclined to try deleting the profile first; you can always do a complete reinstall if it's really necessary. HTH mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Truly, a vanilla install
There's 32 items in that default folder,four of which are folders. I need to identify the specific ones I can and should remove, eventually. On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 10:24 +, mac wrote: Sean Miller wrote: I don't think plug-ins get installed in the home directory, do they? If so, then it presumably would be easy to ditch them... just an rm -rf .mozilla or whatever the directory is... next time Firefox starts it can re-configure itself back to default. AFAIK, your whole profile for Firefox is in /home/$USER/.mozilla/firefox/ and has a name of the form '.default' where the x's are a meaningless sequence of letters and numbers. If you close Firefox and delete the .default directory, Firefox will create a new 'vanilla' profile when you restart it. (Extensions are stored in the particular profile they refer to, so they'll go. You will, of course, lose any bookmarks and other personalisations - though you can save the bookmarks.html file, and restore to your new profile.). Anyway, there's no need to reinstall the whole of Firefox if it's not broken. I'd be inclined to try deleting the profile first; you can always do a complete reinstall if it's really necessary. HTH mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC won't support Linux
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 22:06, red rik_bol...@btinternet.com wrote: To follow on with a thought from Paul. No 10 website has a place where you can put a petition up for the government to read and others can sign it. As the BBC is a publicly funded organization and it is answerable to the folk of this country or them whom watch any form of T.V? It probably makes more sense to start by contacting people at the BBC, or the BBC Trust. If nothing else then it raises internal BBC awareness that they should be thinking about this. I wonder what the expense difference is between providing a linux/cross-platform CBBC game, compared to getting a Microsoft-only one made. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC won't support Linux
Quoting Dean Sas d...@deansas.org: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 22:06, red rik_bol...@btinternet.com wrote: To follow on with a thought from Paul. No 10 website has a place where you can put a petition up for the government to read and others can sign it. As the BBC is a publicly funded organization and it is answerable to the folk of this country or them whom watch any form of T.V? It probably makes more sense to start by contacting people at the BBC, or the BBC Trust. If nothing else then it raises internal BBC awareness that they should be thinking about this. I wonder what the expense difference is between providing a linux/cross-platform CBBC game, compared to getting a Microsoft-only one made. I'm not sure that's the point. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/10/highfield_quits_kangaroo/ Ashley Highfield (Ex-BBC Iplayer boss) now works for MS. I seem to recall that the latest appointee of the BBC's media division is an ex MS UK employee. If you use Flash (or AIR which seems to run perfectly on Ubuntu for iPlayer and Google Analytics) then cross-platform gaming should be easy. Alternatively, look at some of the major 1st person shooters, most of them now run on Linux without too much effort as native applications, not using WINE. If all else fails, pay the $25 and get a copy of x-over. It's much better than wine at running a load of software! M. -- Matthew Macdonald-Wallace matt...@truthisfreedom.org.uk http://www.truthisfreedom.org.uk/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
