[UC] RE: [Ucneighbors] Another Manhole Cover BLOWS UP!!!!!

2010-04-01 Thread Mike V.
I've got two guesses:  Either Mole Man and his dread Subterraneans are testing 
their invasion plans, or all the rain we've been having lately is shorting out 
SEPTA's underground transformers.

-Original Message-
From: Mark Krull mkrullr...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 10:48 AM
To: uclist univcity@list.purple.com; ucneighb...@lists.asc.upenn.edu 
ucneighb...@hector.asc.upenn.edu
Subject: [Ucneighbors] Another Manhole Cover BLOWS UP!

After I dropped off the car at Central City Toyota around 10:15 am,
I was taking the 21 BUS going West on Walnut Street at 52nd when a LOUD BOOM
occurred. The manhold cover was blown off.
Geez, what the heck is going on...
--
We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately
Ben Franklin
 

[UC] Easter Egg Hunt on April 3rd

2010-04-01 Thread Brian Siano
The Parents from the Clark Park Tot Lot will be hosting an Easter Egg Hunt
for the kids at Woodland Cemetery, 40th and Woodland Ave., on Sunday, April
3rd. It starts at 4 p.m. sharp, at the Historic Mansion on the cemetery
grounds. It's free, but donations are certainly welcome.


[UC-Announce] Outdoor Stations of the Cross

2010-04-01 Thread frbyers

Hi, Everyone,

 At 12 noon tomorrow, Good Friday, you are invited to join your neighbors 
in walking around the neighborhood praying the Stations of the Cross.  We shall 
meet in front of St. Francis de Sales Church, 47th and Springfield Ave., at 
noon.  

 At 3 pm, a Good Friday service will take place in St. Francis de Sales 
Church.
 
 Please extend this invitation to your friends and neighbors.

  Fran





[UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)

2010-04-01 Thread Anthony West

Wilma,

Since a lot of people, like myself, subscribe to both lists (actually 
I'm on four neighborhood lists), there's no they vs. we. There are 
just two different products out there, for any of us to patronize as we 
choose.


Some people don't want to subscribe to multiple listserves for the same 
community. (They'd rather not see their inbox flooded by the same post 
in three different emails, for instance.) In that case, the listserve 
with the greater traffic -- particularly traffic about the neighborhood 
-- is surely the more useful. Almost by definition, it represents the 
neighborhood better.


One might still keep a membership on the less-popular listserve, if it 
gives information not available on the more-popular listserve -- 
particularly if it facilitates a specific kind of neighborhood 
communication that is hard to get on the more-popular one. In this case, 
having read both Kyle Cassidy's UC list and Villanova's UC list for a 
few years now, my take is the purple list reliably fosters personal 
attack, intentional misinformation and extremist hysteria on 
neighborhood issues.


It's more about the process than the people. The same people, writing on 
the same issues on UCNeighbors, write with more gentleness, more 
receptivity and more nuance than they do on Purple. I include myself in 
this criticism.


Listserves generally die with a whimper, not a bang, and that's how 
Purple seems to be dying. I still see, from time to time, useful threads 
about household services that don't appear on UCNeighbors. But I see 
more useful threads about household services overall on UCNeighbors now 
than I do on Purple.


The only threads that flourish on Purple rather than UCNeighbors are 
those that favor querulous complaints about how bad A is or B is. Thus, 
in this recent statistic-boosting spate, I note that I made a nasty 
comment about Glenn (en passant) and that Kimm made a nasty comment 
about Tom (in yo face) and that Wilma induces a global nasty comment by 
me about all Purple readers (not there at all)  ... par for the course.


Anyone who prefers to relate to their neighbors in this manner will find 
Purple more congenial than UCNeighbors. Anyone who does not prefer to 
relate to their neighbors in this manner will find UCNeighbors more 
congenial than Purple, in my estimation.


So I do think this product is broken and I have no idea how to fix it, 
unless it's willing to bite the bullet and appoint a moderator of its 
own. But I'll continue to read it and post on it, if I think I can make 
a comment that is helpful. I always appreciate your posts, Wilma.


-- Tony West



On 3/31/2010 9:54 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote:

Wow! THAT'S a slap in the face.

Thank you kindly for showing us who the better people are who have 
higher-quality neighborhood input.  Since I have been a member of this 
listserv since its inception, apparently I can rest assured that I 
would not be considered as such; especially since I am not a member of 
the UCNeighbors listserv.


Mogadishu, indeed!  Perhaps it was not your intent to appear hurtful, 
elitist and disrespectful amongst other things, especially in light of 
the subject of civility raised earlier, but I do perceive it this way 
because there is not much room for benefit of the doubt anymore.


Snide remarks about the persons who belong to this listserv, since the 
formation of UCNeighbors has gone a bit too far in my opinion.  You 
have UCNeighbors...fine!  Isn't that enough without denigrating this 
listserv or are we all just supposed to not post, drop dead or leave 
the neighborhood?  What IS it they want from us?


Come front street with it once and for all.




Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)

2010-04-01 Thread m . politzer
Title: Re: [UC] Drug pushers in the NYTimes

Wilma,I agree with Tony. I belong to both listservs (univcity and UCNeighbors), but find univcity less and less useful or civil. UCNeighbors is more active and I find the dialog more engaging and community-oriented.Please come join us.Margie Apr 1, 2010 03:32:44 PM, anthony_w...@earthlink.net wrote:





Wilma,

Since a lot of people, like myself, subscribe to both lists (actually
I'm on four neighborhood lists), there's no "they" vs. "we". There are
just two different products out there, for any of us to patronize as we
choose.

Some people don't want to subscribe to multiple listserves for the same
community. (They'd rather not see their inbox flooded by the same post
in three different emails, for instance.) In that case, the listserve
with the greater traffic -- particularly traffic about the neighborhood
-- is surely the more useful. Almost by definition, it represents the
neighborhood better.

One might still keep a membership on the less-popular listserve, if it
gives information not available on the more-popular listserve --
particularly if it facilitates a specific kind of neighborhood
communication that is hard to get on the more-popular one. In this
case, having read both Kyle Cassidy's UC list and Villanova's UC list
for a few years now, my take is the "purple" list reliably fosters
personal attack, intentional misinformation and extremist hysteria on
neighborhood issues.

It's more about the process than the people. The same people, writing
on the same issues on UCNeighbors, write with more gentleness, more
receptivity and more nuance than they do on Purple. I include myself in
this criticism.

Listserves generally die with a whimper, not a bang, and that's how
Purple seems to be dying. I still see, from time to time, useful
threads about household services that don't appear on UCNeighbors. But
I see more useful threads about household services overall on
UCNeighbors now than I do on Purple.

The only threads that flourish on Purple rather than UCNeighbors are
those that favor querulous complaints about how bad A is or B is. Thus,
in this recent statistic-boosting spate, I note that I made a nasty
comment about Glenn (en passant) and that Kimm made a nasty comment
about Tom (in yo face) and that Wilma induces a global nasty comment by
me about all Purple readers (not there at all) ... par for the course.

Anyone who prefers to relate to their neighbors in this manner will
find Purple more congenial than UCNeighbors. Anyone who does not prefer
to relate to their neighbors in this manner will find UCNeighbors more
congenial than Purple, in my estimation. 

So I do think this product is broken and I have no idea how to fix it,
unless it's willing to bite the bullet and appoint a moderator of its
own. But I'll continue to read it and post on it, if I think I can make
a comment that is helpful. I always appreciate your posts, Wilma.

-- Tony West



On 3/31/2010 9:54 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote:

  
  Wow!
THAT’S a slap in the face. 
  
Thank you kindly for showing us who the better people are who have
higher-quality neighborhood input. Since I have been a member of this
listserv since its inception, apparently I can rest assured that I
would not be considered as such; especially since I am not a member of
the UCNeighbors listserv.
  
Mogadishu, indeed! Perhaps it was not your intent to appear hurtful,
elitist and disrespectful amongst other things, especially in light of
the subject of civility raised earlier, but I do perceive it this way
because there is not much room for benefit of the doubt anymore.
  
Snide remarks about the persons who belong to this listserv, since the
formation of UCNeighbors has gone a bit too far in my opinion. You
have UCNeighbors...fine! Isn’t that enough without denigrating this
listserv or are we all just supposed to not post, drop dead or leave
the neighborhood? What IS it they want from us?
  
Come front street with it once and for all.




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Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)

2010-04-01 Thread Wilma de Soto
Dear Tony,

Did you write to me in order to inform me that you belong to many listservs
as do I, or try to convince me that UCNeighbors REALLY wanted me to join
when I was told otherwise after I called them out when they originally
formed the other listserv.

Perhaps you are trying to convince me about how to be neighborly.

I know how to be neighborly and have been so through many lower-input
community initiatives. However, this does not negate the rationale for
forming another listserv AND calling it UCNeighbors.

As an original member of the SHCA Listserv and its subsequent UnivCity
Listserv, I will never believe UCNeighbors was not formed in order to
discredit and shut down the UnivCity Listserv@ purple.

Unfortunately, the mystery of the domain UnivCity Listserv resides in some
nebulous place at Villanova, while more people web search University City
and will find this forum before UCNeighbors.

I have stated my case and stood my ground on many difficult neighborhood
issues, but I have never resorted to the sniping sort of comments if I could
at ALL help it no matter how I was approached.

I shall always strive to be civil.

-Wilma

On 4/1/10 4:26 PM, Anthony West anthony_w...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Wilma,
 
 Since a lot of people, like myself, subscribe to both lists (actually I'm on
 four neighborhood lists), there's no they vs. we. There are just two
 different products out there, for any of us to patronize as we choose.
 
 Some people don't want to subscribe to multiple listserves for the same
 community. (They'd rather not see their inbox flooded by the same post in
 three different emails, for instance.) In that case, the listserve with the
 greater traffic -- particularly traffic about the neighborhood -- is surely
 the more useful. Almost by definition, it represents the neighborhood better.
 
 One might still keep a membership on the less-popular listserve, if it gives
 information not available on the more-popular listserve -- particularly if it
 facilitates a specific kind of neighborhood communication that is hard to get
 on the more-popular one. In this case, having read both Kyle Cassidy's UC list
 and Villanova's UC list for a few years now, my take is the purple list
 reliably fosters personal attack, intentional misinformation and extremist
 hysteria on neighborhood issues.
 
 It's more about the process than the people. The same people, writing on the
 same issues on UCNeighbors, write with more gentleness, more receptivity and
 more nuance than they do on Purple. I include myself in this criticism.
 
 Listserves generally die with a whimper, not a bang, and that's how Purple
 seems to be dying. I still see, from time to time, useful threads about
 household services that don't appear on UCNeighbors. But I see more useful
 threads about household services overall on UCNeighbors now than I do on
 Purple.
 
 The only threads that flourish on Purple rather than UCNeighbors are those
 that favor querulous complaints about how bad A is or B is. Thus, in this
 recent statistic-boosting spate, I note that I made a nasty comment about
 Glenn (en passant) and that Kimm made a nasty comment about Tom (in yo face)
 and that Wilma induces a global nasty comment by me about all Purple readers
 (not there at all)  ... par for the course.
 
 Anyone who prefers to relate to their neighbors in this manner will find
 Purple more congenial than UCNeighbors. Anyone who does not prefer to relate
 to their neighbors in this manner will find UCNeighbors more congenial than
 Purple, in my estimation.
 
 So I do think this product is broken and I have no idea how to fix it, unless
 it's willing to bite the bullet and appoint a moderator of its own. But I'll
 continue to read it and post on it, if I think I can make a comment that is
 helpful. I always appreciate your posts, Wilma.
 
 -- Tony West
 
 
 
 On 3/31/2010 9:54 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote:
  Re: [UC] Drug pushers in the NYTimes Wow! THAT¹S a slap in the face.
  
 Thank you kindly for showing us who the better people are who have
 higher-quality neighborhood input.  Since I have been a member of this
 listserv since its inception, apparently I can rest assured that I would not
 be considered as such; especially since I am not a member of the UCNeighbors
 listserv.
  
 Mogadishu, indeed!  Perhaps it was not your intent to appear hurtful, elitist
 and disrespectful amongst other things, especially in light of the subject of
 civility raised earlier, but I do perceive it this way because there is not
 much room for benefit of the doubt anymore.
  
 Snide remarks about the persons who belong to this listserv, since the
 formation of UCNeighbors has gone a bit too far in my opinion.  You have
 UCNeighbors...fine!  Isn¹t that enough without denigrating this listserv or
 are we all just supposed to not post, drop dead or leave the neighborhood?
 What IS it they want from us?
  
 Come front street with it once and for all.
 
 




Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)

2010-04-01 Thread Brian Siano
This is as disgusting a piece of revisionist history as I've ever seen.
Kyle's style may be freewheeling, but it certainly never reached anything
like the insults and angry invective that many others have used on _this_
list. As I recall it, Kyle attempted to reply to Glenn's points calmly and
rationally; Glenn accused him of being a Penn apologist in thrall to
corporate ideology. (Many of you seem to give Glenn a wiiide margin of
error, but if anyone takes offense, suddenly _they're_ accused of bad
behavior.)

So Kyle founded another list. Why shouldn't he ban Glenn, who'd pretty much
chased him away? But Glenn has recited that quote as a indictment of what he
mechanically calls the censored Penn list. Many of you seem to forget
this-- which is interesting, since you seem to have such _good_ memories of
when _you_ feel insulted or hurt.

I've been on both lists since Kyle founded his. I don't see insults over
there. I see a lot of commentary from interesting neighbors. I don't see
them insulting each other. I have not yet heard of _anyone_ who's resigned
from that list. But over here, I have seen _many_ people asking to be taken
off, trying to find the unsubscribe command, and complaining about having
the lengthy, angry screeds dumped in their mailbox.


On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:59 PM, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN laserb...@speedymail.org
 wrote:

 Wilma de Soto wrote:

 As an original member of the SHCA Listserv and its subsequent UnivCity
 Listserv, I will never believe UCNeighbors was not formed in order to
 discredit and shut down the UnivCity Listserv@ purple.



 kyle set up his listserv towards the end of july 2007 after being on this
 list for years. though it's convenient for some to think this list upmanship
 has all been a question of civility, kyle's free-wheeling posting style here
 was certainly no model of civility; while he was on this list he behaved at
 times as badly as (if not worse than) those he (and others) accused of
 behaving badly. his leaving was not about the civility of this list, but
 about the inability of everyone on this list to agree. many people countered
 his arguments and points of view with the same free-wheeling style he used.
 some who did agree with him (while matching his free-wheeling style) left to
 join his list at the same time he did; in fact, they were posting on his new
 list before kyle posted the news here that he had set up his new list.

 on july 27 the following free-wheeling exchange happened between he and
 melani on his new list:

  In a message dated 7/27/07 6:49:04 PM, kcassidy at asc.upenn.edu writes:


  the cool thing about this software is that i can pre-ban glenn!



 to which melani replied:

  This will be heaven.   But, I hope he doesn't know where you live.

 Melani



 and then on july 28, kyle announced on this list that he had set up his new
 list.


 one difference between kyle's list and this list: unlike kyle's list, this
 list's archive can be viewed by ANYONE, whether they are subscribed or not.
 the above exchange, in fact, is archived here:

 http://www.mail-archive.com/univcity@list.purple.com/msg18895.html

 and from there anyone can explore what kyle and others posted over the
 years -- good, bad, or ugly -- and the discussions that followed his
 leaving:

 http://www.mail-archive.com/univcity@list.purple.com/msg18858.html


 ..
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Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)

2010-04-01 Thread Kimm Tynan
Tony,

Wow ­ you think what I said was nasty?  Snide, maybe, but in that case I¹d
better stay over here.  Given the turmoil he put this community through, I
think it was pretty mild.  There¹s a difference between ³conflict and
confrontation² and ³nastiness and incivility.²  But those distinctions get
lost on a lot of people.  And just for the record: (1) I said nothing about
Tom Lussenhop, only about his hotel, and (2) I went to a fair amount of
trouble to actually give him an answer to his question.  One private
commenter thought I was too generous.

Kimm



On 4/1/10 4:26 PM, Anthony West anthony_w...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Wilma,
 
 Since a lot of people, like myself, subscribe to both lists (actually I'm on
 four neighborhood lists), there's no they vs. we. There are just two
 different products out there, for any of us to patronize as we choose.
 
 Some people don't want to subscribe to multiple listserves for the same
 community. (They'd rather not see their inbox flooded by the same post in
 three different emails, for instance.) In that case, the listserve with the
 greater traffic -- particularly traffic about the neighborhood -- is surely
 the more useful. Almost by definition, it represents the neighborhood better.
 
 One might still keep a membership on the less-popular listserve, if it gives
 information not available on the more-popular listserve -- particularly if it
 facilitates a specific kind of neighborhood communication that is hard to get
 on the more-popular one. In this case, having read both Kyle Cassidy's UC list
 and Villanova's UC list for a few years now, my take is the purple list
 reliably fosters personal attack, intentional misinformation and extremist
 hysteria on neighborhood issues.
 
 It's more about the process than the people. The same people, writing on the
 same issues on UCNeighbors, write with more gentleness, more receptivity and
 more nuance than they do on Purple. I include myself in this criticism.
 
 Listserves generally die with a whimper, not a bang, and that's how Purple
 seems to be dying. I still see, from time to time, useful threads about
 household services that don't appear on UCNeighbors. But I see more useful
 threads about household services overall on UCNeighbors now than I do on
 Purple.
 
 The only threads that flourish on Purple rather than UCNeighbors are those
 that favor querulous complaints about how bad A is or B is. Thus, in this
 recent statistic-boosting spate, I note that I made a nasty comment about
 Glenn (en passant) and that Kimm made a nasty comment about Tom (in yo face)
 and that Wilma induces a global nasty comment by me about all Purple readers
 (not there at all)  ... par for the course.
 
 Anyone who prefers to relate to their neighbors in this manner will find
 Purple more congenial than UCNeighbors. Anyone who does not prefer to relate
 to their neighbors in this manner will find UCNeighbors more congenial than
 Purple, in my estimation.
 
 So I do think this product is broken and I have no idea how to fix it, unless
 it's willing to bite the bullet and appoint a moderator of its own. But I'll
 continue to read it and post on it, if I think I can make a comment that is
 helpful. I always appreciate your posts, Wilma.
 
 -- Tony West
 
 
 
 On 3/31/2010 9:54 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote:
  Re: [UC] Drug pushers in the NYTimes Wow! THAT¹S a slap in the face.
  
 Thank you kindly for showing us who the better people are who have
 higher-quality neighborhood input.  Since I have been a member of this
 listserv since its inception, apparently I can rest assured that I would not
 be considered as such; especially since I am not a member of the UCNeighbors
 listserv.
  
 Mogadishu, indeed!  Perhaps it was not your intent to appear hurtful, elitist
 and disrespectful amongst other things, especially in light of the subject of
 civility raised earlier, but I do perceive it this way because there is not
 much room for benefit of the doubt anymore.
  
 Snide remarks about the persons who belong to this listserv, since the
 formation of UCNeighbors has gone a bit too far in my opinion.  You have
 UCNeighbors...fine!  Isn¹t that enough without denigrating this listserv or
 are we all just supposed to not post, drop dead or leave the neighborhood?
 What IS it they want from us?
  
 Come front street with it once and for all.
 
 



Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)

2010-04-01 Thread Anthony West

Sure, Kimm. Snide is good enough.

He didn't put the community through turmoil that I could see. The 
community (specifically the community around 40th  Pine, not your 
community or mine) was faced with a stark choice between Tom Lussenhop's 
mediocre highrise hotel and your ugly, crumbling derelict building. Tom 
came up with one way to deal with this problem property; you preferred 
that it stay as it is. You won. Decay now rules that block and will do 
so for the indefinite future.


So maybe it's time for the pro-decay forces to quit making snide 
comments about the guy's hotel, which apparently will now go up on 
another site, about four blocks away.You got your decay. Show a little 
graciousness now! He wants off this listserve. Who can blame him? Many 
other persons have requested help in escaping Purple. It's not like he's 
being weird, to want to quit reading Purple.


-- Tony West





On 4/1/2010 8:45 PM, Kimm Tynan wrote:

Tony,

Wow -- you think what I said was nasty?  Snide, maybe, but in that 
case I'd better stay over here.  Given the turmoil he put this 
community through, I think it was pretty mild.  There's a difference 
between conflict and confrontation and nastiness and incivility. 
 But those distinctions get lost on a lot of people.  And just for the 
record: (1) I said nothing about Tom Lussenhop, only about his hotel, 
and (2) I went to a fair amount of trouble to actually give him an 
answer to his question.  One private commenter thought I was too generous.


Kimm




[UC] Second Census Form?

2010-04-01 Thread Gary J. Jastrzab
How many subscribers to this list received a second 2010 Census form  
at their mailing address? How many didn't receive one at all?


GJJ

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Re: [UC] Second Census Form?

2010-04-01 Thread Andrew Diller
Just depends if your house is zoned multi-family or not. Zoned multi = 2
forms, one for each 'household.'


Andrew Diller


On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:58 PM, Karen Heenan karen6...@msn.com wrote:

  I got a second one today.  I mailed the first one in last weekend.

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Gary J. Jastrzab garyjastr...@comcast.net
 *To:* ucneighb...@hector.asc.upenn.edu ; univcity@list.purple.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, April 01, 2010 11:51 PM
 *Subject:* [UC] Second Census Form?

 How many subscribers to this list received a second 2010 Census form
 at their mailing address? How many didn't receive one at all?

 GJJ
 
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Re: [UC] Second Census Form?

2010-04-01 Thread Gary J. Jastrzab

Andrew:

Zoning has nothing to do with this. Census forms are supposed to be  
sent to each housing unit (e.g. USPS mailing address). It appears that  
most other Philadelphia addresses also received duplicate forms.


GJJ

On Apr 2, 2010, at 12:04 AM, Andrew Diller wrote:

Just depends if your house is zoned multi-family or not. Zoned multi  
= 2 forms, one for each 'household.'



Andrew Diller


On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:58 PM, Karen Heenan karen6...@msn.com  
wrote:

I got a second one today.  I mailed the first one in last weekend.
- Original Message -
From: Gary J. Jastrzab
To: ucneighb...@hector.asc.upenn.edu ; univcity@list.purple.com
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 11:51 PM
Subject: [UC] Second Census Form?

How many subscribers to this list received a second 2010 Census form
at their mailing address? How many didn't receive one at all?

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Re: [UC] Second Census Form?

2010-04-01 Thread Elliot M. Stern
I did. I expect everybody who received the first form also received  
the second. The letter in the second mailing says not to send in this  
one, if you've already sent in the first census form.


Elliot

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 1, 2010, at 23:51, Gary J. Jastrzab  
garyjastr...@comcast.net wrote:


How many subscribers to this list received a second 2010 Census form  
at their mailing address? How many didn't receive one at all?


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Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)

2010-04-01 Thread Frank Carroll
If I remember correctly—and I'm sure that I do—Kyle started his personal 
listserv less than a week before his book was released. I always suspected that 
he did it to avoid any discussion about the book's subject matter. In that 
sense I agree with you. I don't think he can easily deal with disagreements. I 
could be wrong.

Frank

PS. For those of you not subscribed to UCNeighbors, that listserv is now a 
Google Group and is no longer hosted by or affiliated with Penn.

On Apr 1, 2010, at 08:59 PM, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote:

 Wilma de Soto wrote:
 As an original member of the SHCA Listserv and its subsequent UnivCity 
 Listserv, I will never believe UCNeighbors was not formed in order to 
 discredit and shut down the UnivCity Listserv@ purple.
 
 
 kyle set up his listserv towards the end of july 2007 after being on this 
 list for years. though it's convenient for some to think this list upmanship 
 has all been a question of civility, kyle's free-wheeling posting style here 
 was certainly no model of civility; while he was on this list he behaved at 
 times as badly as (if not worse than) those he (and others) accused of 
 behaving badly. his leaving was not about the civility of this list, but 
 about the inability of everyone on this list to agree. many people countered 
 his arguments and points of view with the same free-wheeling style he used. 
 some who did agree with him (while matching his free-wheeling style) left to 
 join his list at the same time he did; in fact, they were posting on his new 
 list before kyle posted the news here that he had set up his new list.
 
 on july 27 the following free-wheeling exchange happened between he and 
 melani on his new list:
 
 In a message dated 7/27/07 6:49:04 PM, kcassidy at asc.upenn.edu writes:
 
 the cool thing about this software is that i can pre-ban glenn!
 
 
 to which melani replied:
 
 This will be heaven.   But, I hope he doesn't know where you live.
 Melani
 
 
 and then on july 28, kyle announced on this list that he had set up his new 
 list.
 
 
 one difference between kyle's list and this list: unlike kyle's list, this 
 list's archive can be viewed by ANYONE, whether they are subscribed or not. 
 the above exchange, in fact, is archived here:
 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/univcity@list.purple.com/msg18895.html
 
 and from there anyone can explore what kyle and others posted over the years 
 -- good, bad, or ugly -- and the discussions that followed his leaving:
 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/univcity@list.purple.com/msg18858.html
 
 
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[UC] LOST chihuahua, 44tth Baltimore

2010-04-01 Thread Linda Lee



Begin forwarded message:


From: Anthony West anthony_w...@earthlink.net
Date: April 1, 2010 11:41:03 PM EDT
Subject: lost chihuahua, 44tth  Baltimore
Reply-To: anthony_w...@earthlink.net

We are looking for a lost chihuahua in the vicinity of 44th   
Baltimore. Collarless. A shiny black 5 lb. dog with brown spots over  
each eye. Call (267) 456-5687 if you sight her, please.


-- Tony West



Re: [UC] Second Census Form?

2010-04-01 Thread Al Airone
Ditto here.  We sent our first one in last week and got a second one today, 
same as other people have mentioned.  The Commerce Dept is aggressively 
trying to up the mail-in participation in order to reduce the amount of 
door-to-door interviewing, and their spokespeople - including the Commerce 
Secy - have been saying over the past few weeks that there will be multiple 
mailings as part of that campaign.



   Al Airone
- Original Message - 
From: Elliot M. Stern emst...@verizon.net

To: Gary J. Jastrzab garyjastr...@comcast.net
Cc: ucneighb...@hector.asc.upenn.edu; univcity@list.purple.com
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [UC] Second Census Form?


I did. I expect everybody who received the first form also received  the 
second. The letter in the second mailing says not to send in this  one, if 
you've already sent in the first census form.


Elliot

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How many subscribers to this list received a second 2010 Census form  at 
their mailing address? How many didn't receive one at all?


GJJ

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Re: [UC] Second Census Form?

2010-04-01 Thread Cindy Armour
I received a second one today.  Although a bit annoying I'll go ahead  
and fill it out again since it will only take about a minute or so.


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How many subscribers to this list received a second 2010 Census form  
at their mailing address? How many didn't receive one at all?


GJJ

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