This is as disgusting a piece of revisionist history as I've ever seen. Kyle's style may be "freewheeling," but it certainly never reached anything like the insults and angry invective that many others have used on _this_ list. As I recall it, Kyle attempted to reply to Glenn's points calmly and rationally; Glenn accused him of being a Penn apologist in thrall to corporate ideology. (Many of you seem to give Glenn a wiiide margin of error, but if anyone takes offense, suddenly _they're_ accused of bad behavior.)
So Kyle founded another list. Why shouldn't he ban Glenn, who'd pretty much chased him away? But Glenn has recited that quote as a indictment of what he mechanically calls the "censored Penn list." Many of you seem to forget this-- which is interesting, since you seem to have such _good_ memories of when _you_ feel insulted or hurt. I've been on both lists since Kyle founded his. I don't see insults over there. I see a lot of commentary from interesting neighbors. I don't see them insulting each other. I have not yet heard of _anyone_ who's resigned from that list. But over here, I have seen _many_ people asking to be taken off, trying to find the "unsubscribe" command, and complaining about having the lengthy, angry screeds dumped in their mailbox. On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:59 PM, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN <[email protected] > wrote: > Wilma de Soto wrote: > >> As an original member of the SHCA Listserv and its subsequent UnivCity >> Listserv, I will never believe UCNeighbors was not formed in order to >> discredit and shut down the UnivCity Listserv@ purple. >> > > > kyle set up his listserv towards the end of july 2007 after being on this > list for years. though it's convenient for some to think this list upmanship > has all been a question of civility, kyle's free-wheeling posting style here > was certainly no model of civility; while he was on this list he behaved at > times as badly as (if not worse than) those he (and others) accused of > behaving badly. his leaving was not about the civility of this list, but > about the inability of everyone on this list to agree. many people countered > his arguments and points of view with the same free-wheeling style he used. > some who did agree with him (while matching his free-wheeling style) left to > join his list at the same time he did; in fact, they were posting on his new > list before kyle posted the news here that he had set up his new list. > > on july 27 the following free-wheeling exchange happened between he and > melani on his new list: > > In a message dated 7/27/07 6:49:04 PM, kcassidy at asc.upenn.edu writes: >> > > the cool thing about this software is that i can pre-ban glenn! >> > > > to which melani replied: > > This will be heaven. But, I hope he doesn't know where you live. >> >> Melani >> > > > and then on july 28, kyle announced on this list that he had set up his new > list. > > > one difference between kyle's list and this list: unlike kyle's list, this > list's archive can be viewed by ANYONE, whether they are subscribed or not. > the above exchange, in fact, is archived here: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg18895.html > > and from there anyone can explore what kyle and others posted over the > years -- good, bad, or ugly -- and the discussions that followed his > leaving: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg18858.html > > > .................. > UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the > list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see > <http://www.purple.com/list.html>. >
