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Classifying the Mennonites as a whole is an interesting challenge. I have a friend whose father is Swiss and who grew up speaking German, at Goshen as well as in the Juras. A heritage like this, 400 years old, is an ethnicity, complete with unique garb, economic adaptations, language and home territories -- along with complex internal divisions. On the other hand, Mennonites are Christians who adhere to an evangelical mission, which is, by definition, non-ethnic. One can join Judaism in the same way, without joining latkes or sidelocks or shtetls or somebody else's zayda. But it's less common. Both human groups seem to present religious as well as ethnic boundary components, with Judaism farther over on the dial toward ethnicity. It's something scholars should be careful about, before they barge into someone else's community with their own preconceived spin. The sort of concern which a well-meaning neighbor might be forgiven for overlooking, but a university cannot be. -- Tony West Ross Bender wrote: Thanks, Tony, but I just need to point out that Mennonites are no longer a single ethnic group. Historically, we have been Swiss-German, Dutch, Frisian and Prussian -- The Mennonites being showcased at the Arthur Ross Gallery are some of the latter who were invited to the Ukraine and are known among Mennonites as Russian Mennonites, even though they were ethnically German. But if you look in the Philly telephone book or Verizon Yellow Pages you will find two Chinese, one Vietnamese, one Hispanic and several African-American churches (which are not identified as such). We also have a new Indonesian church in Philly. Just one more reason not to stereotype The Mennonites. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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Ross Bender wrote: Thanks, Tony, but I just need to point out that Mennonites are no longer a single ethnic group. Historically, we have been Swiss-German, Dutch, Frisian and Prussian -- The Mennonites being showcased at the Arthur Ross Gallery are some of the latter who were invited to the Ukraine and are known among Mennonites as Russian Mennonites, even though they were ethnically German. But if you look in the Philly telephone book or Verizon Yellow Pages you will find two Chinese, one Vietnamese, one Hispanic and several African-American churches (which are not identified as such). We also have a new Indonesian church in Philly. Just one more reason not to stereotype The Mennonites. the title of the exhibit is The Mennonites: Photographs by Larry Towell. it is not simply The Mennonites. that difference may not seem significant to you, but it is. consider what is / is not conveyed by these museum gallery exhibit titles: The Gypsies The Gypsies: Metalwork from a Recent Discovery at Cornwall The Gypsies: A Near Eastern Scholar Reflects The Gypsies: Sojourners of Van Gogh, Rousseau Chagall The Gypsies: Tintypes from the Archivo Histórico Nacional The Gypsies: Photographs by Larry Towell The Gypsies: Selections from the Collections of the Philadelphia Museum of Art and the Athenaeum - - - - - anyway, ross, will you be coming to the opening reception (sept 11)? .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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I don't agree with you, Ray. Arthur Ross Gallery, which you represent, is a corporate entity. By choosing to place this vision before the community, you made it Penn's vision, on some level. On some level, Penn is obligated to present a coherent explanation of why your vision (which does seem to exclude our community) is not offensive to the community, if community members ask for it. It is now being asked for. When and where can we get this explanation? Is it already posted on the internet somewhere? If not, when will you post it? That's all I'm asking for. If my business decides to publish a series of photographs of pimps and hos entitled THE AFRICAN AMERICANS: PHOTOGRAPHS BY RAY RORKE, my business will be judged in part by the impact of that content. The fact I said, Oh, that's just Ray's view of African Americans, not our own will only get us so far on the street. Your business, Arthur Ross Gallery, has decided to publish a series of photographs of exotic countryfolk entitled THE MENNONITES: PHOTOGRAPHS BY LARRY TOWELL. You too are on the street now, Ray. Your statement, That difference may not seem significant to you, but it is is pretty patronizing as it stands. Explain to us how it is really significant, Professor Rorke. -- Tony West UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote: . the title of the exhibit is The Mennonites: Photographs by Larry Towell. it is not simply The Mennonites. that difference may not seem significant to you, but it is. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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Ross Bender wrote: OK, dude, I'll be picketing that reception, and handing out literature about the REAL Mennonites. The title is just ridiculous. It would be as if some jerk had a gallery show called The Jews and showed photos of Lubavitcher Hassidim from Brooklyn. That is to say: Hassidim:Jews :: Old Colony Mennonites: Mennonites If you have anything to do with this show, I strongly advise you to retitle it, because I'm gonna be there telling the artist and anybody else who's listening that this is a ridiculous insult to Mennonites, and maybe breaking some heads. Just for your information, I can count off on the top of my head half a dozen Mennonites who have received Ph.D.'s from Penn within the last 20 years, and another dozen who have doctorates from REAL Ivy League schools. Ahem. Although Mennonites are related to these bizarre backward splinter groups and even the Amish, who seem to be fodder for every dorky late night comedian, or so my TV-watching sister informs me, we mainstream Mennonites are BAD. The Dean of the Harvard Medical School is one, jist for instance, although I don't like to advertise that place a whole lot. Damn, the more I think about this, the upsetter I get. As everybody on this list should know, we have a real Mennonite church right here in West Philly -- meets at the Calvary Center at 9:00am Sunday mornings, right after milking time and chores. We're so advanced that we're installing a lady pastor next month. Admittedly, we're not as up to date as yer Presbyterians, Methodists and Lutherans -- for example, some of us don't have cars and TVs, and we're downright backward when it comes to being suave and debonair about any kind of sex outside marriage - but we plan to have a seminar this fall on whether the Bible teaches that masturbation is godly or not. For more information, check out The Anabaptist Vision on the Columbia University alumni website, while I go and slop the hogs. http://www.columbia.edu/cu/alumni/connection/connect/mycu/2666.html cool your jets, ross! I know you're always dying to point out to the class how there are mennonites, and then there are MENNONITES, but this show explains all that, and places the people depicted in the photos in context (historical, geographical, cultural, religious). the title is larry towell's title, same as his book which has been out since 2000 (http://tinyurl.com/24k2km) and his traveling exhibit (http://art2art.org/exhibit_towell.htm) towell's lived with these people and traveled with them and has been allowed into their lives to photograph them. I think it would be cool if you arranged to have a big public discussion with him about the whole issue of photographing others, presenting other cultures -- I've been interested in that subject for a long long time (I've worked on exhibits for any number of anthropological/archaeological museums and galleries) and I'd highly recommend: Exhibiting Cultures: The Poetics and Politics of Museum Display, ed. Karp and Levine (1991; Smithsonian) it's a subject with no easy answers, and it's why, even today, a concert in a park can be political to some, art to others. so if you want to break some heads, ross, go for it (but with seminars, not pickets!) - - - - - meanwhile, ross, you like to talk about real mennonites here in west philly, but you never once told us how linford martin, owner of the firehouse, worked out the deal with ucd and rosemarie certo to have dock street installed there. did he meet with rosemarie certo before or after he told the existing vendors to vacate? did this all happen before or after ucd stepped into the picture? .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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On 7/27/07, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: meanwhile, ross, you like to talk about real mennonites here in west philly, but you never once told us how linford martin, owner of the firehouse, worked out the deal with ucd and rosemarie certo to have dock street installed there. did he meet with rosemarie certo before or after he told the existing vendors to vacate? did this all happen before or after ucd stepped into the picture? If you're curious, I suggest you ask Linford. He can usually be found in the Mennonite service, BEGINNING AT 9:00AM ON SUNDAYS IN THE CALVARY CENTER -- EVERYBODY WELCOME. Anyhow, I wrote about this in the prequel Stealth Mennonites, which has been available on my website since sometime in 2004, but if you can't lift a finger to click the link, here are the first several paragraphs: * STEALTH MENNONITES * Summer, 2004. University City lay in ruins. Stealth Mennonites roamed the streets, many of them invisible to the naked eye. Cherry Ramsbottom, after a brilliant ten-year run as President of the Varsity, had gone off to Langleyto become Director of Central Intelligence after George Tenet's ignominious resignation. While acknowledging that she had not quite managed to make University City the hip and trendy venue to rival Harvard Square for which she had once hoped, she bravely maintained in her farewell speech that she had done as much as any mortal human could have. When I came, the place was a fucking shambles. I came, I saw, and I built a brand new school for the little Negro chilluns. I put an Ann Taylor Loft and a fancy hotel on University Square. Hell, I put up the sign *designating* it University Square. An Urban Outfitters, a Barnes and Noble, a Cosi fan Tutti, and hey, don't forget the Chocolate Guy. Crime on the Baltimorecorridor has dropped by 72%. Suburban soccer moms no longer call up the admissions office inquiring 'Is it safe?' Penn went from being a laughingstock, the 'Bottom of the Ivies', to being a world-class university and shopping mall. We're a Destination, for God's sake. There may be a little shit left on the sidewalk in West Philadelphia, but hell, how long did it take Hercules to clean out the Augean Stables? In fact, a remarkable survey done by the Fecal Matter Inspection Committee of the Friends of Clark Park undertaken in August proved definitively that the Bowl was no longer a destination for doggie do. While off-leash pitbulls and Rottweilers continued to savage young children and old ladies in the Park, the volume of manure deposited there had dropped precipitously during the Ramsbottom administration. Dog owners, for whatever reason, were letting their beasts defecate in their own front yards, or perhaps their neighbors', rather than taking the trouble to drive them to the Bowl to do their business. Among her many achievements, at a humble and insignificant slot down at the bottom of a rather long list, Cherry Ramsbottom listed the importation of Mennonites into West Philadelphia. Like Catherine the Great before her, who invited Mennonite farmers from Germany to settle the Ukranian lands recently vacated by the Ottoman Turks, Ramsbottom, or at any rate her sub-provosts, recognized the industriousness of these quaint people and their utility in nicing down rough frontier areas. The Mennonite coffee-house, the Green Line, at 43rd and Baltimore was only the first step in what would become a fruitful partnership between the Varsity and these quaint, gentle, hobbit-like folk. Over the decade the hallowed Philadelphia institution of the Farmers' Market had experienced a resurgence. Mennonite and Amish farmers from Lancaster County had for many years brought their organic foods, free-range chickens, and shoofly pies to market in the big city. The Reading Terminal Market downtown was a showcase for the picturesque Amishmen with their grey beards, and their dumpy spouses in shapeless cape dresses and white head coverings. But now, on Thursdays and on Saturdays, but mostly on the latter days, the Plain People set up their stands and marketed their wares in Clark Park. An enterprising poultry vendor, Amish Dan the Barbecue Man, even went so far as to launch a barbecue operation in Cedar Park, roasting hundreds of chickens a day, the fragrant but robust odors diffusing among the slums and ghetto alleys and pulling in the customers, until one day he got busted in a routine LI sweep of the Baltimore Corridor. Fortunately, a young Mennonite had just acquired the Firehouse Farmer's Market at 50th St, and he brought Amish Dan in from the cold. The Firehouse had been an actual, functioning fire station back around the turn of the century, with horse-drawn fire engines and stalls for the livestock. In the 1980s a coalition of enterprising neighbors had rehabbed the sturdy brick structure and turned it into an urban market, with a lunch counter, butcher and produce stand. Under the ministrations of Yoney Stoltzfus,
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Ross Bender wrote: UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: meanwhile, ross, you like to talk about real mennonites here in west philly, but you never once told us how linford martin, owner of the firehouse, worked out the deal with ucd and rosemarie certo to have dock street installed there. did he meet with rosemarie certo before or after he told the existing vendors to vacate? did this all happen before or after ucd stepped into the picture? If you're curious, I suggest you ask Linford. He can usually be found in the Mennonite service, BEGINNING AT 9:00AM ON SUNDAYS IN THE CALVARY CENTER -- EVERYBODY WELCOME. but I'm curious about YOU, ross, telling us about the mennonites in west philly! why do you only have some of their stories to tell us? do you not attend mennonite services regularly or what? Anyhow, I wrote about this in the prequel Stealth Mennonites, which has been available on my website since sometime in 2004, but if you can't lift a finger to click the link, here are the first several paragraphs: 2004? prequel? you need to update your website! your firehouse is still stuck in the pre-dock street days, when it a was a thriving cross-cultural potpourri and showcase of diversity, featuring a Korean greengrocer, Liberian fishmonger, Cambodian flower merchant, Polish butcher, Japanese masseuse, and Amish Dan the Barbecue Man. I mean, we saw how THAT all had to be spun as a failure, and how THEY all had to leave in 2005. get crackin! .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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No, it's really Ray's turn to answer questions, since he has reentered politics. Ray, you just posted some pictures on UC-list, as a responsible party to an exhibit at your employer Penn's Arthur Ross Gallery. While undeniably pretty, we have read testimony some members of the ethnic group you targeted may find your depiction offensive and demeaning. Your title THE MENNONITES clearly makes a statement about Mennonites as a whole. If you ran a lush photo exhibit of pimps and hos entitled THE AFRICAN AMERICANS, you wouldn't be allowed to get away with it. Why is this case different? Before you mounted this exhibit in our community, did you discuss it with non-Penn-affiliated Mennonites in our community? What steps did you take to elicit their input into your project? That would seem like a no-brainer, for starters. In general, what structural provisions are made for community input into Arthur Ross Gallery policies? Can you direct us to a website that contains this information? Can you make available to us the minutes of the Arthur Ross Gallery meetings at which you planned your public commentary on this ethnic group? Is Arthur Ross Gallery planning any further public exhibits about other ethnic groups in our neighborhood? Will we be permitted to participate in this planning? If so, how? Can community members meet with you or another representative of Arthur Ross Gallery face to face, regarding your public projects that appear offensive to the community? Is it good enough just to email you on UC-list, like this; or should we contact someone else, by some other channel? -- Tony West Ray wrote: meanwhile, ross, you like to talk about real mennonites here in west philly, but you never once told us how linford martin, owner of the firehouse, worked out the deal with ucd and rosemarie certo to have dock street installed there. Ross wrote: If you're curious, I suggest you ask Linford. He can usually be found in the Mennonite service, BEGINNING AT 9:00AM ON SUNDAYS IN THE CALVARY CENTER -- EVERYBODY WELCOME. Ray wrote: but I'm curious about YOU, ross, telling us about the mennonites in west philly! why do you only have some of their stories to tell us? do you not attend mennonite services regularly or what? You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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Thanks, Tony, but I just need to point out that Mennonites are no longer a single ethnic group. Historically, we have been Swiss-German, Dutch, Frisian and Prussian -- The Mennonites being showcased at the Arthur Ross Gallery are some of the latter who were invited to the Ukraine and are known among Mennonites as Russian Mennonites, even though they were ethnically German. But if you look in the Philly telephone book or Verizon Yellow Pages you will find two Chinese, one Vietnamese, one Hispanic and several African-American churches (which are not identified as such). We also have a new Indonesian church in Philly. Just one more reason not to stereotype The Mennonites. On 7/27/07, Anthony West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it's really Ray's turn to answer questions, since he has reentered politics. Ray, you just posted some pictures on UC-list, as a responsible party to an exhibit at your employer Penn's Arthur Ross Gallery. While undeniably pretty, we have read testimony some members of the ethnic group you targeted may find your depiction offensive and demeaning. Your title THE MENNONITES clearly makes a statement about Mennonites as a whole. If you ran a lush photo exhibit of pimps and hos entitled THE AFRICAN AMERICANS, you wouldn't be allowed to get away with it. Why is this case different? -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org
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UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote: here, have another: http://www.upenn.edu/ARG/archive/mennonites/index.html [at the arthur ross gallery, penn campus] Ross Bender wrote: Thanks for the heads up, Ray. Looks like these are photos of a branch called the Old Colony Mennonites. Since Amish and Mennonites don't have anything better to do for excitement, they indulge themselves in a game called Church Split. The OC Mennos are a very tiny splinter group found in Canada and especially Mexico, where they have fallen on hard times and where some at least engage in smuggling marijuana to Canada. There was a sensational cover article in the Canadian magazine Saturday Night back in April 2004 titled The Mennonite Mob. They even have a godfather. http://www.caj.ca/mediamag/awards2005/(Andrew%20Mitrovica)%20Saturday%20Night%20Magazine.htm For a scholarly article on their background from The Mennonite Encyclopedia: http://www.gameo.org/index.asp?content=http://www.gameo.org/encyclopedia/contents/O533ME.html [this has been a Mennonite History Moment] well, ross, I got to put the finishing touches on today: http://tinyurl.com/2679lp exhibit opens july 31, but the opening reception to meet the artist is on sept 11. the photos look amazing, as do the people in them. good explanatory text, too. .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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OK, dude, I'll be picketing that reception, and handing out literature about the REAL Mennonites. The title is just ridiculous. It would be as if some jerk had a gallery show called The Jews and showed photos of Lubavitcher Hassidim from Brooklyn. That is to say: Hassidim:Jews :: Old Colony Mennonites: Mennonites If you have anything to do with this show, I strongly advise you to retitle it, because I'm gonna be there telling the artist and anybody else who's listening that this is a ridiculous insult to Mennonites, and maybe breaking some heads. Just for your information, I can count off on the top of my head half a dozen Mennonites who have received Ph.D.'s from Penn within the last 20 years, and another dozen who have doctorates from REAL Ivy League schools. Ahem. Although Mennonites are related to these bizarre backward splinter groups and even the Amish, who seem to be fodder for every dorky late night comedian, or so my TV-watching sister informs me, we mainstream Mennonites are BAD. The Dean of the Harvard Medical School is one, jist for instance, although I don't like to advertise that place a whole lot. Damn, the more I think about this, the upsetter I get. As everybody on this list should know, we have a real Mennonite church right here in West Philly -- meets at the Calvary Center at 9:00am Sunday mornings, right after milking time and chores. We're so advanced that we're installing a lady pastor next month. Admittedly, we're not as up to date as yer Presbyterians, Methodists and Lutherans -- for example, some of us don't have cars and TVs, and we're downright backward when it comes to being suave and debonair about any kind of sex outside marriage - but we plan to have a seminar this fall on whether the Bible teaches that masturbation is godly or not. For more information, check out The Anabaptist Vision on the Columbia University alumni website, while I go and slop the hogs. http://www.columbia.edu/cu/alumni/connection/connect/mycu/2666.html UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote: well, ross, I got to put the finishing touches on today: http://tinyurl.com/2679lp exhibit opens july 31, but the opening reception to meet the artist is on sept 11. the photos look amazing, as do the people in them. good explanatory text, too. -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org/mqrtoc.html
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Beautiful work. -- Tony West UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote: http://www.upenn.edu/ARG/archive/mennonites/index.html [at the arthur ross gallery, penn campus] well, ross, I got to put the finishing touches on today: http://tinyurl.com/2679lp exhibit opens july 31, but the opening reception to meet the artist is on sept 11. the photos look amazing, as do the people in them. good explanatory text, too. [aka ray] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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Ross Bender wrote: On the Letterman Late show on July 11, Diddy reminisced about his summers as a Fresh-Air Kid on an Amish farm. Yet another instance of the Amish/Mennonite contribution to American culture. [this has been a Mennonite history moment] http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/wahoo/index/php/20070711.phtml [Act 3] here, have another: http://www.upenn.edu/ARG/archive/mennonites/index.html [at the arthur ross gallery, penn campus] .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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On 7/18/07, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here, have another: http://www.upenn.edu/ARG/archive/mennonites/index.html [at the arthur ross gallery, penn campus] Thanks for the heads up, Ray. Looks like these are photos of a branch called the Old Colony Mennonites. Since Amish and Mennonites don't have anything better to do for excitement, they indulge themselves in a game called Church Split. The OC Mennos are a very tiny splinter group found in Canada and especially Mexico, where they have fallen on hard times and where some at least engage in smuggling marijuana to Canada. There was a sensational cover article in the Canadian magazine Saturday Night back in April 2004 titled The Mennonite Mob. They even have a godfather. http://www.caj.ca/mediamag/awards2005/(Andrew%20Mitrovica)%20Saturday%20Night%20Magazine.htm For a scholarly article on their background from The Mennonite Encyclopedia: http://www.gameo.org/index.asp?content=http://www.gameo.org/encyclopedia/contents/O533ME.html [this has been a Mennonite History Moment] -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org
[UC] Diddy's Amish Roots
On the Letterman Late show on July 11, Diddy reminisced about his summers as a Fresh-Air Kid on an Amish farm. Yet another instance of the Amish/Mennonite contribution to American culture. [this has been a Mennonite history moment] http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/wahoo/index/php/20070711.phtml [Act 3] -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org
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We are talking about P. Diddy here, Ross, or is this some other Diddy? -- Tony Ross Bender wrote: On the Letterman Late show on July 11, Diddy reminisced about his summers as a Fresh-Air Kid on an Amish farm. Yet another instance of the Amish/Mennonite contribution to American culture. [this has been a Mennonite history moment] http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/wahoo/index/php/20070711.phtml [Act 3] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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This is indeed P. Diddy, formerly known as Puff Daddy, now simply Diddy. On 7/16/07, Anthony West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are talking about P. Diddy here, Ross, or is this some other Diddy? -- Tony Ross Bender wrote: On the Letterman Late show on July 11, Diddy reminisced about his summers as a Fresh-Air Kid on an Amish farm. Yet another instance of the Amish/Mennonite contribution to American culture. [this has been a Mennonite history moment] http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/wahoo/index/php/20070711.phtml [Act 3] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org
