Char index

2014-01-29 Thread Nakia Brewer
Is there a way I can find out the char index for a chunk of text that may 
exists in a line of text of a variable ?

The char index function doesn't seem to be helping much.

Basically if a line in a variable contains data_ (note;the portion after the 
_will vary so I can't check the full word) I want the charIndex of the d..

Ideas?


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Re: Char index

2014-01-29 Thread Thierry Douez
2014-01-29 Nakia Brewer nakia.bre...@westrac.com.au:
 Is there a way I can find out the char index for a chunk of text that may 
 exists in a line of text of a variable ?

Hi Nakia,

offset will do it !

Thierry


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Re: 652 release

2014-01-29 Thread Matthias Rebbe


Am 29.01.2014 um 00:29 schrieb Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net:

 Nonetheless, something that hasn't been offically announced is pretty much
 guaranteed to be broken, or at least not ready to be downloaded, installed,
 launched, or mentioned in mixed company.
 
For listmembers: Yes, we should know and wait for an announcement 
Non listmembers: No, how should they know these versions are not final.

At http://livecode.com/download/ there is link near the bottom labeled View 
all Livecode Downloads

Clicking on that link opens a folder with subfolders labeled according 
available version numbers. And in folder 6.5.2 there are Installers for the 
community and the commercial version. Some have an additional rc in their 
names. But there are also installers without any rc  or dp in their names.

So one would assume these are final versions.

Either RR should label theses versions correctly, if they really are not final 
or RR should avoid placing them wrong labled in a public download folder.

Just imagine a new customer without access to the mailinglist where the 
announcements are posted, downloads such a buggy wrong labled version.
How should she/he know what is final and what not?


Regards,

Matthias


 Even when an announcement has been made, I usually wait for a while and let
 other folks shake out the obvious bugs first.
 
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Re: Char index

2014-01-29 Thread Nakia Brewer
Indeed it will, looked for every other iteration of offset, just not offset 
alone

Thanks 

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 On 29 Jan 2014, at 8:26 pm, Thierry Douez th.do...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 2014-01-29 Nakia Brewer nakia.bre...@westrac.com.au:
 Is there a way I can find out the char index for a chunk of text that may 
 exists in a line of text of a variable ?
 
 Hi Nakia,
 
 offset will do it !
 
 Thierry
 
 
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Re: 652 release

2014-01-29 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi Matthias,

Whether or not I am a list member is not important. Whenever I need the 
latest version of LC, I follow the link to the downloads and download 
whatever appears to be the latest version.


I'm not going to check the list for all announcements, while I just want 
to help out a new potential LiveCode user by quickly installing the 
latest version for him or her. I'll just grab the latest version from 
the server and that's it. If this version looks official but appears to 
be unstable, it will put off this potential new user and RunRev will 
have one potential customer less.


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On 1/29/2014 10:37, Matthias Rebbe wrote:


For listmembers: Yes, we should know and wait for an announcement
Non listmembers: No, how should they know these versions are not final.

At http://livecode.com/download/ there is link near the bottom labeled View all 
Livecode Downloads

Clicking on that link opens a folder with subfolders labeled according 
available version numbers. And in folder 6.5.2 there are Installers for the 
community and the commercial version. Some have an additional rc in their 
names. But there are also installers without any rc  or dp in their names.

So one would assume these are final versions.

Either RR should label theses versions correctly, if they really are not final 
or RR should avoid placing them wrong labled in a public download folder.

Just imagine a new customer without access to the mailinglist where the announcements are posted, 
downloads such a buggy wrong labled version.
How should she/he know what is final and what not?


Regards,

Matthias



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Re: 652 release

2014-01-29 Thread Marek Niesiobedzki
Hi Ben,
I can download this release, but it's not visible on my account (commercial), 
so i can't activate it.
Marek
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Re: 652 release

2014-01-29 Thread Roger Eller
But what about the active an unresolved new bugs that have been reported
for 6.5.2 RC1?
 On Jan 29, 2014 6:24 AM, Benjamin Beaumont b...@runrev.com wrote:

 Hi Richmond.

 As you rightly point out, LiveCode 6.5.2 GM1 has been build and is on our
 download server. It has passed the first phase of internal testing and is
 currently being run against our automated test suit. Once it has passed all
 these tests it will be announce and activated through the auto update
 process.

 Warm regards,

 Ben



 On 29 January 2014 10:39, Mark Schonewille 
 m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com
  wrote:

  Hi Matthias,
 
  Whether or not I am a list member is not important. Whenever I need the
  latest version of LC, I follow the link to the downloads and download
  whatever appears to be the latest version.
 
  I'm not going to check the list for all announcements, while I just want
  to help out a new potential LiveCode user by quickly installing the
 latest
  version for him or her. I'll just grab the latest version from the server
  and that's it. If this version looks official but appears to be unstable,
  it will put off this potential new user and RunRev will have one
 potential
  customer less.
 
 
  --
  Best regards,
 
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  On 1/29/2014 10:37, Matthias Rebbe wrote:
 
 
  For listmembers: Yes, we should know and wait for an announcement
  Non listmembers: No, how should they know these versions are not final.
 
  At http://livecode.com/download/ there is link near the bottom labeled
  View all Livecode Downloads
 
  Clicking on that link opens a folder with subfolders labeled according
  available version numbers. And in folder 6.5.2 there are Installers for
 the
  community and the commercial version. Some have an additional rc in
 their
  names. But there are also installers without any rc  or dp in their
 names.
 
  So one would assume these are final versions.
 
  Either RR should label theses versions correctly, if they really are not
  final or RR should avoid placing them wrong labled in a public download
  folder.
 
  Just imagine a new customer without access to the mailinglist where the
  announcements are posted, downloads such a buggy wrong labled
 version.
  How should she/he know what is final and what not?
 
 
  Regards,
 
  Matthias
 
 
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Re: 652 release

2014-01-29 Thread Mark Schonewille

Roger,

The new release notes contain a small list of bug fixes compared to RC1, 
if I understand the notes correctly. There are bug fixes for 6.5.2-rc-1 
and 6.5.2. I think 6.5.2 follows 6.5.2-rc-1.


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On 1/29/2014 14:03, Roger Eller wrote:

But what about the active an unresolved new bugs that have been reported
for 6.5.2 RC1?
  On Jan 29, 2014 6:24 AM, Benjamin Beaumont b...@runrev.com wrote:


Hi Richmond.

As you rightly point out, LiveCode 6.5.2 GM1 has been build and is on our
download server. It has passed the first phase of internal testing and is
currently being run against our automated test suit. Once it has passed all
these tests it will be announce and activated through the auto update
process.

Warm regards,

Ben



On 29 January 2014 10:39, Mark Schonewille 
m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com

wrote:



Hi Matthias,

Whether or not I am a list member is not important. Whenever I need the
latest version of LC, I follow the link to the downloads and download
whatever appears to be the latest version.

I'm not going to check the list for all announcements, while I just want
to help out a new potential LiveCode user by quickly installing the

latest

version for him or her. I'll just grab the latest version from the server
and that's it. If this version looks official but appears to be unstable,
it will put off this potential new user and RunRev will have one

potential

customer less.


--
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colour

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On 1/29/2014 10:37, Matthias Rebbe wrote:



For listmembers: Yes, we should know and wait for an announcement
Non listmembers: No, how should they know these versions are not final.

At http://livecode.com/download/ there is link near the bottom labeled
View all Livecode Downloads

Clicking on that link opens a folder with subfolders labeled according
available version numbers. And in folder 6.5.2 there are Installers for

the

community and the commercial version. Some have an additional rc in

their

names. But there are also installers without any rc  or dp in their

names.


So one would assume these are final versions.

Either RR should label theses versions correctly, if they really are not
final or RR should avoid placing them wrong labled in a public download
folder.

Just imagine a new customer without access to the mailinglist where the
announcements are posted, downloads such a buggy wrong labled

version.

How should she/he know what is final and what not?


Regards,

Matthias



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Re: 652 release

2014-01-29 Thread Roger Eller
I understand that, but there has been active communication about a bug, as
recently as this morning, and they have yet to find the source of the issue.
 On Jan 29, 2014 8:08 AM, Mark Schonewille 
m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote:

 Roger,

 The new release notes contain a small list of bug fixes compared to RC1,
 if I understand the notes correctly. There are bug fixes for 6.5.2-rc-1 and
 6.5.2. I think 6.5.2 follows 6.5.2-rc-1.

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 On 1/29/2014 14:03, Roger Eller wrote:

 But what about the active an unresolved new bugs that have been reported
 for 6.5.2 RC1?
   On Jan 29, 2014 6:24 AM, Benjamin Beaumont b...@runrev.com wrote:

  Hi Richmond.

 As you rightly point out, LiveCode 6.5.2 GM1 has been build and is on our
 download server. It has passed the first phase of internal testing and is
 currently being run against our automated test suit. Once it has passed
 all
 these tests it will be announce and activated through the auto update
 process.

 Warm regards,

 Ben



 On 29 January 2014 10:39, Mark Schonewille 
 m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com

 wrote:


  Hi Matthias,

 Whether or not I am a list member is not important. Whenever I need the
 latest version of LC, I follow the link to the downloads and download
 whatever appears to be the latest version.

 I'm not going to check the list for all announcements, while I just want
 to help out a new potential LiveCode user by quickly installing the

 latest

 version for him or her. I'll just grab the latest version from the
 server
 and that's it. If this version looks official but appears to be
 unstable,
 it will put off this potential new user and RunRev will have one

 potential

 customer less.


 --
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 Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
 Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
 KvK: 50277553

 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other

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 On 1/29/2014 10:37, Matthias Rebbe wrote:


 For listmembers: Yes, we should know and wait for an announcement
 Non listmembers: No, how should they know these versions are not final.

 At http://livecode.com/download/ there is link near the bottom labeled
 View all Livecode Downloads

 Clicking on that link opens a folder with subfolders labeled according
 available version numbers. And in folder 6.5.2 there are Installers for

 the

 community and the commercial version. Some have an additional rc in

 their

 names. But there are also installers without any rc  or dp in their

 names.


 So one would assume these are final versions.

 Either RR should label theses versions correctly, if they really are
 not
 final or RR should avoid placing them wrong labled in a public download
 folder.

 Just imagine a new customer without access to the mailinglist where the
 announcements are posted, downloads such a buggy wrong labled

 version.

 How should she/he know what is final and what not?


 Regards,

 Matthias


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Re: EditBackground Message?

2014-01-29 Thread Björnke von Gierke
a quick look in to the dictionary says no, so unless it's undocmented, there's 
none.

On 29.01.2014, at 02:24, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com wrote:

 Anyone know if there's related message sent when the  editBackground of a 
 stack is enabled (or start editing group xyz)?  I want to trigger some object 
 positioning within a group when the group is edited.
 
 Thanks,
 
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 Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
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Re: Just confirming, groups themselves don't receive mouse messages, right?

2014-01-29 Thread Björnke von Gierke

On 29.01.2014, at 15:13, Geoff Canyon gcan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there a way to make it so that groups themselves can receive
 messages directly?

No. The only way is, to have an opaque rectangle graphic or other object that 
fills the whole area of the group. You can send the ink of the graphic to noop, 
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maybe blndDst is a good replacement?

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RegEx for Removing Non-Ascii Chars Except Certain Whitespaces

2014-01-29 Thread Ender Nafi Elekcioglu
Hi all,


I’m a little embarrassed to ask this question for two reasons:
1. I should have known sufficient regex, every coder should.
2. I should have found the answer online, every coder should.

But apparently I couldn’t and I’m struggling for quite a time; please, excuse 
my ignorance.

I need a RegEx for the below substitution;
Input:
(everybody-should-know-this and this”/‘
Output:
everybody-should-know-this and this

The statement should clear all whitespaces and non-ascii chars except dash and 
space.
Here is my current code:

_replace space with “nqpSPACEqpn” in tParams
_replace “-“ with “nqpDASHqpn” in tParams
_put replaceText(tParams, “\W”, “”) into tParams
_replace “nqpSPACEqpn” with space in tParams
_replace “ nqpDASHqpn” with “- in tParams

I’m sure it can be done with a single line of code something like
_put replaceText(tParams, “*** regEx excluding space and dash here ***”, “”) 
into tParams


Thanks for any help…


Best,

~ Ender
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Re: RegEx for Removing Non-Ascii Chars Except Certain Whitespaces

2014-01-29 Thread Thierry Douez
2014-01-29 Ender Nafi Elekcioglu endern...@keehuna.com:

 The statement should clear all whitespaces and non-ascii chars except dash 
 and space.

 ~ Ender


[ ...]  - character class; match any characters in between the brackets
[^...] - character class; do *NOT* match all characters in between the brackets

So, you can try something like:

put replacetext( mytext, [^a-zA-Z0-9], empty) into mytext

a-z  - any chars from a to z
A-Z  - any chars from A to Z

Still missing the dash; add it inside the brackets:

put replacetext( mytext, [^a-zA-Z0-9-], empty) into mytext

and carry on adding extra chars until you are happy.

Does that makes sense?


Thierry


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Re: RegEx for Removing Non-Ascii Chars Except Certain Whitespaces

2014-01-29 Thread John Craig

When you say 'non-ascii' do you mean non alphanumeric?

if tData contains your string then..
put replaceText(tData, [^[:alnum:]- ], )

will replace anything that isn't alphanumeric, dash or space with blnk.

:)



On 29/01/2014 15:00, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu wrote:

Hi all,


I’m a little embarrassed to ask this question for two reasons:
1. I should have known sufficient regex, every coder should.
2. I should have found the answer online, every coder should.

But apparently I couldn’t and I’m struggling for quite a time; please, excuse 
my ignorance.

I need a RegEx for the below substitution;
Input:
(everybody-should-know-this and this”/‘
Output:
everybody-should-know-this and this

The statement should clear all whitespaces and non-ascii chars except dash and 
space.
Here is my current code:

_replace space with “nqpSPACEqpn” in tParams
_replace “-“ with “nqpDASHqpn” in tParams
_put replaceText(tParams, “\W”, “”) into tParams
_replace “nqpSPACEqpn” with space in tParams
_replace “ nqpDASHqpn” with “- in tParams

I’m sure it can be done with a single line of code something like
_put replaceText(tParams, “*** regEx excluding space and dash here ***”, “”) 
into tParams


Thanks for any help…


Best,

~ Ender
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Re: RegEx for Removing Non-Ascii Chars Except Certain Whitespaces

2014-01-29 Thread Ender Nafi Elekcioglu
Thierry, John;

Thank you very much,
both work just fine.

Inspecting your solutions, I’ve found my stupid mistake, btw.
This was what I was trying:
“[^\W- ]”
which should be obviously
“[^\w- ]”

Silly me :)


Thanks again…

Best,

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Re: RegEx for Removing Non-Ascii Chars Except Certain Whitespaces

2014-01-29 Thread Richmond

On 29/01/14 17:43, Thierry Douez wrote:

2014-01-29 Ender Nafi Elekcioglu endern...@keehuna.com:


The statement should clear all whitespaces and non-ascii chars except dash and 
space.

~ Ender


[ ...]  - character class; match any characters in between the brackets
[^...] - character class; do *NOT* match all characters in between the brackets

So, you can try something like:

put replacetext( mytext, [^a-zA-Z0-9], empty) into mytext

a-z  - any chars from a to z
A-Z  - any chars from A to Z

Still missing the dash; add it inside the brackets:

put replacetext( mytext, [^a-zA-Z0-9-], empty) into mytext

and carry on adding extra chars until you are happy.

Does that makes sense?


Thierry




Wait a minute . .  .

This is to remove Non-Ascii chars: but what goes on above looks as 
though it is meant to remove more than that.


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Resize Stack Differences on Mac and Windows

2014-01-29 Thread Ray
I'm not sure how many versions back this goes but apparently the 
following script works differently on a Mac and Windows with 6.5.2:


   on resizeStack
  put the ticks
   end resizeStack

On Windows the message is sent continually as long as the mouse is down 
and I'm resizing the stack.  On a Mac the resizeStack message is sent 
just once when I let the mouse up after resizing the stack.


Does anybody have any experience with this anomaly?

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Re: Resize Stack Differences on Mac and Windows

2014-01-29 Thread Paul Hibbert
I suspect this is a platform issue that RR can't easily overcome, the 
dictionary states;

On Mac OS X systems…
…The stack's original width and height are passed only with the first 
resizeStack message sent during a resize operation.

So I'd guess the Mac OS is blocking the operation during the resize.

Paul


On 2014-01-29, at 8:29 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:

 I'm not sure how many versions back this goes but apparently the following 
 script works differently on a Mac and Windows with 6.5.2:
 
   on resizeStack
  put the ticks
   end resizeStack
 
 On Windows the message is sent continually as long as the mouse is down and 
 I'm resizing the stack.  On a Mac the resizeStack message is sent just once 
 when I let the mouse up after resizing the stack.
 
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Re: Resize Stack Differences on Mac and Windows

2014-01-29 Thread Jan Schenkel
Hi Ray,

It depends on the 'liveResizing' property of the stack.
The calculations needed to resize the content of the stack can be 
time-consuming.
And on Mac redrawing the window takes longer than on WIndows/Unix.

So the default behaviour on Mac is not to send 'resizeStack' messages unless 
you specifically turn 'liveResizing' on.

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On Wed, 1/29/14, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:

 Subject: Resize Stack Differences on Mac and Windows
 To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 29, 2014, 8:29 AM
 
 I'm not sure how many versions back
 this goes but apparently the following script works
 differently on a Mac and Windows with 6.5.2:
 
    on resizeStack
       put the ticks
    end resizeStack
 
 On Windows the message is sent continually as long as the
 mouse is down and I'm resizing the stack.  On a Mac the
 resizeStack message is sent just once when I let the mouse
 up after resizing the stack.
 
 Does anybody have any experience with this anomaly?
 
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Re: 652 release

2014-01-29 Thread Richmond
Now things are getting really kooky as the 6.5.2 server releases are now 
available here:


http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/6_5_2/

as well as here:

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/server/6_5_2/

and the status of 6.5.2 with nothing on the end of it is no clearer.

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Re: Resize Stack Differences on Mac and Windows

2014-01-29 Thread Richmond

On 29/01/14 18:29, Ray wrote:
I'm not sure how many versions back this goes but apparently the 
following script works differently on a Mac and Windows with 6.5.2:


   on resizeStack
  put the ticks
   end resizeStack

On Windows the message is sent continually as long as the mouse is 
down and I'm resizing the stack.  On a Mac the resizeStack message is 
sent just once when I let the mouse up after resizing the stack.


Does anybody have any experience with this anomaly?


Dunno; on Linux (!) it is sent continuously, or rather (to be 
accurate), repeatedly.


But; what exactly is the point of this script in the first place?

Richmond.



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Re: Resize Stack Differences on Mac and Windows

2014-01-29 Thread Richmond

On 29/01/14 18:32, Richmond wrote:

On 29/01/14 18:29, Ray wrote:
I'm not sure how many versions back this goes but apparently the 
following script works differently on a Mac and Windows with 6.5.2:


   on resizeStack
  put the ticks
   end resizeStack

On Windows the message is sent continually as long as the mouse is 
down and I'm resizing the stack.  On a Mac the resizeStack message is 
sent just once when I let the mouse up after resizing the stack.


Does anybody have any experience with this anomaly?


Dunno; on Linux (!) it is sent continuously, or rather (to be 
accurate), repeatedly.


But; what exactly is the point of this script in the first place?

Richmond.



Here's something a whole lot more useful:

on resizeStack
   put (the width of me)  ,  (the height of me)
end resizeStack


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Re: RegEx for Removing Non-Ascii Chars Except Certain Whitespaces

2014-01-29 Thread John Craig

( Just remember that \w will include certain punctuation  ;)  )


On 29/01/2014 16:25, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu wrote:

Thierry, John;

Thank you very much,
both work just fine.

Inspecting your solutions, I’ve found my stupid mistake, btw.
This was what I was trying:
“[^\W- ]”
which should be obviously
“[^\w- ]”

Silly me :)


Thanks again…

Best,

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Re: RegEx for Removing Non-Ascii Chars Except Certain Whitespaces

2014-01-29 Thread Thierry Douez
2014-01-29 Ender Nafi Elekcioglu endern...@keehuna.com:
 Richmond,

 My subject line is confusing.
 What I meant was “removing all non-alphanumeric chars except dash and space”
 *Non-Ascii* was just a wrong statement.

 Thierry and John’s solutions work fine.

In fact, they are the same :)

I choosed the extended form and
I personaly don't use much the [:xxx:] syntax.

Thierry




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Re: EditBackground Message?

2014-01-29 Thread Peter Haworth
I've never found a message that indicates this.

I'm not sure of the exact mechanism by which LC puts a group into edit mode
but it appears to involve the creation of a temporary stack or card
containing the ungrouped controls of the edited group.

If that's the case, then maybe you could trap one of the messages resulting
from the creation of a stack/card and hope that it has some standard name
you can  onto.


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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:25 AM, Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote:

 a quick look in to the dictionary says no, so unless it's undocmented,
 there's none.

 On 29.01.2014, at 02:24, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com wrote:

  Anyone know if there's related message sent when the  editBackground of
 a stack is enabled (or start editing group xyz)?  I want to trigger some
 object positioning within a group when the group is edited.
 
  Thanks,
 
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  Creative Director
  Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
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Re: Resize Stack Differences on Mac and Windows

2014-01-29 Thread Richard Gaskin

Jan Schenkel wrote:

It depends on the 'liveResizing' property of the stack.
The calculations needed to resize the content of the stack can be 
time-consuming.
And on Mac redrawing the window takes longer than on WIndows/Unix.

So the default behaviour on Mac is not to send 'resizeStack' messages unless 
you specifically turn 'liveResizing' on.


Given that live resizing has been the default on Mac since OS X, to help 
our apps look more like other apps I submitted a request some time ago 
to make liveResizing on by default:


http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5331

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Re: 652 release

2014-01-29 Thread Richmond

On 29/01/14 19:01, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:

Hi All,

We've restructured the 'all downloads' section of the website to make it
easier to find the release you want and ensure that untested releases are
not made available before the are ready.

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

Warm regards,

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Lovely job!

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Re: 652 release

2014-01-29 Thread François Chaplais
Thanks. The externals SDK links seem to be broken
Francois
Le 29 janv. 2014 à 18:01, Benjamin Beaumont b...@runrev.com a écrit :

 Hi All,
 
 We've restructured the 'all downloads' section of the website to make it
 easier to find the release you want and ensure that untested releases are
 not made available before the are ready.
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
 
 Warm regards,
 
 Ben
 
 
 On 29 January 2014 16:38, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Now things are getting really kooky as the 6.5.2 server releases are now
 available here:
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/6_5_2/
 
 as well as here:
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/server/6_5_2/
 
 and the status of 6.5.2 with nothing on the end of it is no clearer.
 
 
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Re: LiveCode and HTML

2014-01-29 Thread Björnke von Gierke
The problem is that you need the engine for livecode to run. For example, in 
websites running from an apache server, it's possible to add the engine as a 
cgi. This is called livecode server, and it can be found here: 
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

But that's not what you want. you want the engine to run within a website 
that's running within the iBooks application. As far as I know, there's no way 
to add the engine there. So the answer to your question about running LC as 
part of html5 is no, it's not possible. but not because of it being html5, but 
because it's in iBooks.app or iBooks for iOS.

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 Hi,
 
 I need to know if there is any way for using LiveCode within HTML5.
 Concretely, I need to use a simple game I wrote in LiveCode as part of an 
 iBooks author page.
 
 Is there any way for converting or embedding it for HTML5 ?
 
 Thanks and Regards.


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Re: 652 release

2014-01-29 Thread Benjamin Beaumont
Thanks Francois,

This will be fixed shortly.

Warm regards,

Ben


On 29 January 2014 17:08, François Chaplais 
francois.chapl...@mines-paristech.fr wrote:

 Thanks. The externals SDK links seem to be broken
 Francois
 Le 29 janv. 2014 à 18:01, Benjamin Beaumont b...@runrev.com a écrit :

  Hi All,
 
  We've restructured the 'all downloads' section of the website to make it
  easier to find the release you want and ensure that untested releases are
  not made available before the are ready.
 
  http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
 
  Warm regards,
 
  Ben
 
 
  On 29 January 2014 16:38, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Now things are getting really kooky as the 6.5.2 server releases are now
  available here:
 
  http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/6_5_2/
 
  as well as here:
 
  http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/server/6_5_2/
 
  and the status of 6.5.2 with nothing on the end of it is no clearer.
 
 
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RELEASE LiveCode 6.5.2

2014-01-29 Thread Benjamin Beaumont
Dear List Members.

We are pleased to announce that LiveCode 6.5.2 is now available. This is a
maintenance release. It contains 36 bug fixes and a similar number of
dictionary updates.

11716 - Hi-res iPad icon size incorrect
11702 - Change in cantSelect behavior makes it possible to create graphics
on IDE stacks
11698 - Inverted colors in imported PBM bitmap image
11027 - User Guide entry under Help menu is missing
11695 - Dashes of length 0 not drawn
11684 - prepare image file crashes LiveCode when file doesn't exist
11677 - Slider with a width  3 x height loses its thumb
11675 - Application freezes when importing certain PBM image files
11673 - Setting the fillRule of a polygon graphic stops it rendering
11672 - long system time yields empty on linux in various locales
11671 - Dashes are not drawn with rounded caps when the graphic includes
arrows
11664 - Text sometimes renders with decreased opacity on Windows.
11656 - Slider renders white box under Linux
11653 - Visual effect in rect shifted on iOS
11641 - 'the mouse' doesn't work on Android (it always returns \'up\').
11632 - Taking a snapshot of a non-buffered player doesn't work.
11628 - Spaces after a style-run boundary are not skipped when wrapping
text.
11627 - Paragraph formatting incorrectly applied when setting the rtfText
11624 - Click command clicks at wrong location on OSX when stack has menubar
11623 - Android apps crash on restart
11605 - Popup menus where the button has a unicode label but native items
do not build the menuPick string correctly.
11594 - LiveCode cannot resolve path to Android Runtime folder when
building Android standalone
11589 - Default font in standalones causing PDF to render badly
11576 - Field does not re-wrap if visiblity (or width) of vertical
scrollbar changes.
11570 - Referenced image doesn't draw stippled background when file missing
11546 - Script editor line numbers are not displayed
11482 - iOS control scroller doesn't scroll on iOS7
11459 - Internal Livecode image with ID 1105 creates ID problem
11419 - The cantSelect property of a graphic can prevent creation of new
graphics
11412 - Certain unicode characters are not rendered correctly on Android
11363 - Prevent crash when destroying stack if a popup menu is open
11343 - mouseStillDown and mouseWithin don\'t pass while using behavior
11286 - messagebox syntax for invoking functions is broken
11270 - menu/Text: size does not work
11094 - Script Editor doesn't include hash symbol in token delimiters
9940 - Stepping through open printing forces a crash

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Re: 652 release

2014-01-29 Thread Warren Samples

On 01/29/2014 11:08 AM, François Chaplais wrote:

Thanks. The externals SDK links seem to be broken



All links starting with 'LiveCode 5.5.5' lead back to the download page.

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Re: 652 release

2014-01-29 Thread Benjamin Beaumont
Hi Warren,

This is the same issue as Francois noticed. This is now fixed.

Regards,

Ben


On 29 January 2014 17:12, Warren Samples war...@warrensweb.us wrote:

 On 01/29/2014 11:08 AM, François Chaplais wrote:

 Thanks. The externals SDK links seem to be broken



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Re: 652 release

2014-01-29 Thread Richmond

I wonder how you get to the server downloads now?

Richmond.

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Re: Visual Effect for a stack

2014-01-29 Thread MacBox
 
 I don't think there's a way to use a visual effect to deal with the stack
 size change, or is there?
 

Pete, check out revChangeWindowSize

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Re: 652 release

2014-01-29 Thread Matthias Rebbe
The community version is also there http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

And the commercial one can be downloaded from the account.

Regards,

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Am 29.01.2014 um 19:09 schrieb Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com:

 I wonder how you get to the server downloads now?
 
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Re: 652 release

2014-01-29 Thread Richmond

On 29/01/14 20:16, Matthias Rebbe wrote:

The community version is also there http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

And the commercial one can be downloaded from the account.

Regards,

Matthias



Oh, Aye, so it is, so it is, it must be my eyes ye know.



Am 29.01.2014 um 19:09 schrieb Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com:


I wonder how you get to the server downloads now?

Richmond.

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Re: 652 release

2014-01-29 Thread J. Landman Gay

On 1/29/14, 12:09 PM, Richmond wrote:

I wonder how you get to the server downloads now?


The link is at the bottom of Ben's release announcement.

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Re: Resize Stack Differences on Mac and Windows

2014-01-29 Thread Ray
Richard - I have a stack of 'user preferences' which shows the width and 
height of another stack as it's resized.  These numbers which should 
auto update continuously as the user continues to hold the mouse down 
and resize the stack, so unfortunately your suggestion won't work.


However, setting the liveResizing property to true as Jan Schenkel 
suggested makes everything work on the Mac just as it does on Windows.  
Thanks Jan!  An interesting thing about the liveResizing property is 
that it does not get saved with the stack.  Also, setting the 
decorations of the stack resets the liveResizing property to false for 
some reason.


Anyway, its fixed.

Oh, and thanks for requesting this be cleaned up Richard.

Thanks,

Ray
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On 1/29/2014 11:35 AM, Richmond wrote:

On 29/01/14 18:32, Richmond wrote:

On 29/01/14 18:29, Ray wrote:
I'm not sure how many versions back this goes but apparently the 
following script works differently on a Mac and Windows with 6.5.2:


   on resizeStack
  put the ticks
   end resizeStack

On Windows the message is sent continually as long as the mouse is 
down and I'm resizing the stack.  On a Mac the resizeStack message 
is sent just once when I let the mouse up after resizing the stack.


Does anybody have any experience with this anomaly?


Dunno; on Linux (!) it is sent continuously, or rather (to be 
accurate), repeatedly.


But; what exactly is the point of this script in the first place?

Richmond.



Here's something a whole lot more useful:

on resizeStack
   put (the width of me)  ,  (the height of me)
end resizeStack


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Re: Visual Effect for a stack

2014-01-29 Thread Peter Haworth
Thanks Hank, sounds like just what I want.  Off to try it out now.

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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:12 AM, mac...@earthlink.net wrote:

 
  I don't think there's a way to use a visual effect to deal with the stack
  size change, or is there?
 

 Pete, check out revChangeWindowSize

 Hank


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Re: Just confirming, groups themselves don't receive mouse messages, right?

2014-01-29 Thread Geoff Canyon
Thanks, I was trying to avoid creating an object just to capture
messages. I was thinking about doing a simple table-based layout
system based on groups, but that necessarily implies being able to
drag controls into and out of groups.

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:36 AM, John Craig j...@splash21.com wrote:
 I've used a button sized to fill the group and style set to transparent to
 catch the mouse events..



 On 29/01/2014 14:13, Geoff Canyon wrote:

 I was experimenting with groups, and it appears the group itself
 doesn't directly receive mouseEnter, mouseMove, etc.

 If mouse messages are sent to an object in the group, and the object's
 script doesn't handle the messages, the messages pass to the group.
 But if the pointer is over an area of the group but not over any
 control in the group, then even if the group is opaque, etc., no
 messages are delivered to the group. Is that correct?

 Is there a way to make it so that groups themselves can receive
 messages directly?

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Re: 652 release

2014-01-29 Thread Mark Schonewille

Very nice, Ben. It looks much more professional than before.

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On 1/29/2014 18:01, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:

Hi All,

We've restructured the 'all downloads' section of the website to make it
easier to find the release you want and ensure that untested releases are
not made available before the are ready.

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

Warm regards,

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Any super-simple way to texture a sphere?

2014-01-29 Thread Geoff Canyon
I have 3D gravity working.
I have 3D positioning working.
I have 3D perspective viewing working (arbitrary point of view and orientation).

That means that as I approach Mars to land on it, I need some way to
present it as more than an orange circle (which is what I have now).
Any ideas on the best way to handle this?

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Re: Scalini - image scaler for resolution independence

2014-01-29 Thread Jim Lambert
RogerE wrote:

 It scales a folder of images
 to all of the sizes needed (for resolution differences), and names them
 according to Apple's requirements.

Primarily it makes images sized and named to work with LC’s approach to 
resolution independence.
When I built it I hadn’t thought that it might also be useful for scaling app 
store images too. Neat!

VaughnC wrote:
 First is
 there any documentation for the usage

Click the “i” button for explanation.

Jim Lambert
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6.5.2 Doesn't Remember Script Editor Location

2014-01-29 Thread Ray
Actually I don't know of any version for quite some time now which HAS 
re-opened the script editor window where I last closed it.  I work with 
two monitors and I like to have the script editor window open on the 
second one.


In previous versions I've edited the Revolution UI Back Script.  I'd 
have to do a Save As on the RevLibrary file, quit and replace the old 
RevLibrary with the new one (in the ToolSet folder).


With 6.5.2 I can no longer do this as Livecode won't open at all after 
replacing the RevLibrary file, even with an ever so slightly modified 
copy of it.


It seems like a lot of work-around to get the script editor window to 
re-open where I closed it.  Shouldn't there be a simple preference 
somewhere?  Or shouldn't this just automatically happen?


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Re: Scalini - image scaler for resolution independence

2014-01-29 Thread Vaughn Clement
Hi

Thanks for the info.

Thank you

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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Jim Lambert j...@netrin.com wrote:

 RogerE wrote:

  It scales a folder of images
  to all of the sizes needed (for resolution differences), and names them
  according to Apple's requirements.

 Primarily it makes images sized and named to work with LC's approach to
 resolution independence.
 When I built it I hadn't thought that it might also be useful for scaling
 app store images too. Neat!

 VaughnC wrote:
  First is
  there any documentation for the usage

 Click the i button for explanation.

 Jim Lambert
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Re: Any super-simple way to texture a sphere?

2014-01-29 Thread François Chaplais
Nope. You cannot texture a sphere globally because you will have singularities 
somewhere (typically at the poles). This is the same problem as for maps of the 
earth. You have to patch together local maps, à la Google maps.
François
Le 29 janv. 2014 à 20:20, Geoff Canyon gcan...@gmail.com a écrit :

 I have 3D gravity working.
 I have 3D positioning working.
 I have 3D perspective viewing working (arbitrary point of view and 
 orientation).
 
 That means that as I approach Mars to land on it, I need some way to
 present it as more than an orange circle (which is what I have now).
 Any ideas on the best way to handle this?
 
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Re: Any super-simple way to texture a sphere?

2014-01-29 Thread Scott Rossi
Hi Geoff:

The super simple way is an oval gradient, offset from the center of the 
planet graphic.

The fancier way could be a group of a couple of graphics.

Regards,

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Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design

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Subject: Any super-simple way to texture a sphere? 
From: Geoff Canyon gcan...@gmail.com 
To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
CC:  

I have 3D gravity working.
I have 3D positioning working.
I have 3D perspective viewing working (arbitrary point of view and orientation).

That means that as I approach Mars to land on it, I need some way to
present it as more than an orange circle (which is what I have now).
Any ideas on the best way to handle this?

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Re: 652 release

2014-01-29 Thread Roger Eller
Nicely done!

~Roger


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Benjamin Beaumont b...@runrev.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 We've restructured the 'all downloads' section of the website to make it
 easier to find the release you want and ensure that untested releases are
 not made available before the are ready.

 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

 Warm regards,

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Re: Any super-simple way to texture a sphere?

2014-01-29 Thread Alejandro Tejada
Hi Geoff,

After using PhotoRoom, written by Chris Bodell, I believe that 
you could create all images on the fly, by script, within
your own program. :D

http://ftp.runrev.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10t=9490
https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=303263e8a35c7594sc=documentsuc=1id=303263E8A35C7594%21112#

All that is needed is a small push in the correct direction 
from LiveCode's experts in the creation of bitmaps by scripts. 

The following Space Art links could be really useful 
in the creation of these LiveCode image algorithms.

http://registry.gimp.org/node/297

SpaceScape Script

This Script Generates a SpaceScape (StarScape)   
a deep space picture with stars and space dust clouds.
You can determine the aspects of the space dust clouds, 
the color, the image size and the amount of detail.

http://registry.gimp.org/node/2352
gimp-plugin-astronomy

A set of plugins and scripts for astronomical image processing
Not intended for scientific image processing, due to gimp's 8bit 
depth restriction (for pretty pictures only).

Create an artificial galaxy. Only elliptical galaxies yet.
Create artificial stars: Using different star distributions, splitted into 
background, object and foreground stars.

http://registry.gimp.org/node/24798

Stars in the sky
This script-fu makes a sky with millions sparkling stars in a new layer. 
The layer's dimensions, the star's spikes' length and the flare intensity 
can be changed. The script is based on this tutorial.
This script is useful for create Space Art images, because the stars 
are convincing.

http://registry.gimp.org/node/8172
Make Your Own Planet - Script of MarvinX's Tutorial - 
Updated for Gimp 2.6

This script automates many of the steps in MarvinX's fantastic 
Make a Planet tutorial, with a couple of added features. 
There is an atmospheric haze around the planet, and there are 
stars on the background layer. This script does not do the IWarp step. 
I leave that to the individual user to make wherever they want.. 
Everything else is in here.
After the script is done running, you can manually adjust the hue 
and saturation to get the planet the color you would like. 
There is also an option to make the planet more earth-like 
(using the Land and Sea gradient on the Clouds Layer.) 
The sun shadow is also optional.
Enjoy!

http://www.gimptalk.com/index.php?showtopic=5128
http://registry.gimp.org/node/21

Planet Render
Creates a planet lit on one side, with some kind of atmosphere glow. 
The size and color of the planet as well as the angle for the light can be
set.

Al




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OT-ish warning: Apple is still using Mac Roman

2014-01-29 Thread Graham Samuel
I'm using LC 6.5.1 on a Mac with Mavericks. Recently I was given a Pages 
document with some text I needed to paste into a LiveCode desktop app. The 
relevant text was:

3*(-1*x^2 + 4)(-1*x^4 - 5x + 2)

(Don't worry, it's just a meaningless example).

I changed this to plain text (it had originally been coloured and I thought 
this might affect the result). I then used an LC script to search for some 
characters, particularly the minus signs. Couldn't find them. Then I realised 
that I had to put the text string through LC's MactoISO function - so Pages, 
far from using UniCode (I thought everybody was doing it) is still using the 
old Mac character set. LC, even on a Mac, apparently isn't. The thing is, the 
pasted text **looks** OK in an LC field, but it's not.

Just a gotcha that surprised me and may bite someone else.

I'm wondering if LC 7 will take this kind of problem away. I'm also wondering 
what Apple are up to still using a proprietary character code. And I'm 
wondering if I should have tried to do the whole thing with Unicode text.

Graham
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Re: OT-ish warning: Apple is still using Mac Roman

2014-01-29 Thread Graham Samuel
More issues - the minus signs don't seem to be Mac Roman after all (at least 
MacToISO no longer seems to translate the although I could have sworn it did 
earlier, nor ASCII, nor anything else I've found so far. LC's charToNum 
function thinks their value is 208 (decimal). Still looking...

Graham

On 29 Jan 2014, at 22:40, I wrote:

 I'm using LC 6.5.1 on a Mac with Mavericks. Recently I was given a Pages 
 document with some text I needed to paste into a LiveCode desktop app. The 
 relevant text was:
 
 3*(-1*x^2 + 4)(-1*x^4 - 5x + 2)
 
 (Don't worry, it's just a meaningless example).
 
 I changed this to plain text (it had originally been coloured and I thought 
 this might affect the result). I then used an LC script to search for some 
 characters, particularly the minus signs. Couldn't find them. Then I realised 
 that I had to put the text string through LC's MactoISO function - so Pages, 
 far from using UniCode (I thought everybody was doing it) is still using the 
 old Mac character set. LC, even on a Mac, apparently isn't. The thing is, the 
 pasted text **looks** OK in an LC field, but it's not.
 
 Just a gotcha that surprised me and may bite someone else.
 
 I'm wondering if LC 7 will take this kind of problem away. I'm also wondering 
 what Apple are up to still using a proprietary character code. And I'm 
 wondering if I should have tried to do the whole thing with Unicode text.


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Re: OT-ish warning: Apple is still using Mac Roman

2014-01-29 Thread Devin Asay

On Jan 29, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Graham Samuel wrote:

 More issues - the minus signs don't seem to be Mac Roman after all (at least 
 MacToISO no longer seems to translate the although I could have sworn it did 
 earlier, nor ASCII, nor anything else I've found so far. LC's charToNum 
 function thinks their value is 208 (decimal). Still looking…

It's an en dash, probably, rather than a hyphen. That's at code point 208 in 
Mac Roman.

Devin

 
 On 29 Jan 2014, at 22:40, I wrote:
 
 I'm using LC 6.5.1 on a Mac with Mavericks. Recently I was given a Pages 
 document with some text I needed to paste into a LiveCode desktop app. The 
 relevant text was:
 
 3*(-1*x^2 + 4)(-1*x^4 - 5x + 2)
 
 (Don't worry, it's just a meaningless example).
 
 I changed this to plain text (it had originally been coloured and I thought 
 this might affect the result). I then used an LC script to search for some 
 characters, particularly the minus signs. Couldn't find them. Then I 
 realised that I had to put the text string through LC's MactoISO function - 
 so Pages, far from using UniCode (I thought everybody was doing it) is still 
 using the old Mac character set. LC, even on a Mac, apparently isn't. The 
 thing is, the pasted text **looks** OK in an LC field, but it's not.
 
 Just a gotcha that surprised me and may bite someone else.
 
 I'm wondering if LC 7 will take this kind of problem away. I'm also 
 wondering what Apple are up to still using a proprietary character code. And 
 I'm wondering if I should have tried to do the whole thing with Unicode text.
 
 
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Re: OT-ish warning: Apple is still using Mac Roman

2014-01-29 Thread Graham Samuel
Thanks Devin

Ha! So the person who wrote the text just **thought** they were minus signs. 
The trouble with the en dash (as opposed to the em dash - I used to set type by 
hand, so I remember these) is that the glyph in most fonts is very close to the 
minus sign. So maybe I haven't got a problem after all (or I can look for the 
various dashes and treat them as minuses, I suppose). By the way 
MacToISO(numToChar(208)) gives ñ in a LiveCode field or script (that's the 'n' 
in 'manaña' I guess). Anyway it does look as if I was right about Pages still 
using the Mac private character set for characters greater than Ascii 127. Hope 
so.

Thanks again

Graham


On 30 Jan 2014, at 00:01, Devin Asay devin_a...@byu.edu wrote:

 
 On Jan 29, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Graham Samuel wrote:
 
 More issues - the minus signs don't seem to be Mac Roman after all (at least 
 MacToISO no longer seems to translate the although I could have sworn it did 
 earlier, nor ASCII, nor anything else I've found so far. LC's charToNum 
 function thinks their value is 208 (decimal). Still looking…
 
 It's an en dash, probably, rather than a hyphen. That's at code point 208 in 
 Mac Roman.
 
 Devin
 
 
 On 29 Jan 2014, at 22:40, I wrote:
 
 I'm using LC 6.5.1 on a Mac with Mavericks. Recently I was given a Pages 
 document with some text I needed to paste into a LiveCode desktop app. The 
 relevant text was:
 
 3*(-1*x^2 + 4)(-1*x^4 - 5x + 2)
 
 (Don't worry, it's just a meaningless example).
 
 I changed this to plain text (it had originally been coloured and I thought 
 this might affect the result). I then used an LC script to search for some 
 characters, particularly the minus signs. Couldn't find them. Then I 
 realised that I had to put the text string through LC's MactoISO function - 
 so Pages, far from using UniCode (I thought everybody was doing it) is 
 still using the old Mac character set. LC, even on a Mac, apparently isn't. 
 The thing is, the pasted text **looks** OK in an LC field, but it's not.
 
 Just a gotcha that surprised me and may bite someone else.
 
 I'm wondering if LC 7 will take this kind of problem away. I'm also 
 wondering what Apple are up to still using a proprietary character code. 
 And I'm wondering if I should have tried to do the whole thing with Unicode 
 text.
 
 
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ODBC connection to MSSQL under XP works in IDE, but not in Standalone

2014-01-29 Thread Matthias Rebbe
Hi all.

For  half an day now i am trying to figure out why my standalone is not able to 
connect to a MSSQL Server through ODC although in the IDE it works without 
problems.

I tried already  to manually select the inclusions. But it doesn´t make a 
difference. The standalones always contain the needed externals for the odbc 
connection.
So this cannot be caused by a missing driver. I even tried to use the legacy DB 
drivers. No success.
I tried now on 3 different XP machines with and without firewall enabled. The 
ODBC test connection in the Windows ODBC administrator/manager is always 
successful.
I tried now with LC 5.5.1 and 6.5.1. In the ide the connection always is 
working - in the standalone it isn´t.

Does anyone have a clue what might be the problem?

Regards,

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Re: 652 release

2014-01-29 Thread stephen barncard
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Benjamin Beaumont b...@runrev.com wrote:


 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

 Warm regards,

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Re: ODBC connection to MSSQL under XP works in IDE, but not in Standalone

2014-01-29 Thread Roger Eller
I had something like that happen a few LC versions back, but still in
6.x.x.  The default SQL Server DLL's just stopped working with standalones
built with the new version of LC, but installing the SQL version 10 drivers
I found within Microsoft's download pages worked.

~Roger


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Matthias Rebbe 
matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de wrote:

 Hi all.

 For  half an day now i am trying to figure out why my standalone is not
 able to connect to a MSSQL Server through ODC although in the IDE it works
 without problems.

 I tried already  to manually select the inclusions. But it doesn´t make
 a difference. The standalones always contain the needed externals for the
 odbc connection.
 So this cannot be caused by a missing driver. I even tried to use the
 legacy DB drivers. No success.
 I tried now on 3 different XP machines with and without firewall enabled.
 The ODBC test connection in the Windows ODBC administrator/manager is
 always successful.
 I tried now with LC 5.5.1 and 6.5.1. In the ide the connection always is
 working - in the standalone it isn´t.

 Does anyone have a clue what might be the problem?

 Regards,

 Matthias



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Re: 6.5.2 Doesn't Remember Script Editor Location

2014-01-29 Thread Kay C Lan
Definitely NOT confirmed.

My problem (not LC's) is the exact opposite, I use multiple monitors and
the script editor is always on another monitor, if I do not remember to
shutdown LC correctly - by first moving ALL the LC windows and palettes
back to the main monitor, if I start up LC without the other monitors then
the script editor and Dictionary will not appear on my single screen. I
have to use the Message Box to reset their loc. I've just downloaded 6.5.2
and I see the behaviour is the same - although I don't have multiple
monitors connect at the moment, but I started LC 6.5.2, opened a stack,
opened it's script, resized and moved the script editor. I then Saved the
stack, even though there was nothing to save. Quit LC. Started LC, opened
the stack, open the script editor, and there it was, just where I left it.
Works as expected.

I'm on LC 6.5.2, OS X 10.9.1, MBP 15 Retina

As a possible solution, how do you Quit LC. A while back I noticed that
iTunes never remember it's window size and position. When I started it up
it would be half off the screen and I'd reposition it, but every time
morning when I started my computer and iTunes auto started, there it was,
half off screen. The cause and solution to this problem seem to lay in the
fact that I read somewhere that Lion, or SnoLeo (can't remember) adopted a
new strategy when you shut down your computer, it would Kill the process,
not simply Quit it. Now I don't believe this, but I also don't understand
fully what's going on under the hood, because Apps with docs still open
with changes would still ask you to Save them, but iTunes doesn't have docs
to save, and basically the only time iTunes was ever shutdown was when I
shutdown the computer and it was done for me. So, lo and behold, one time I
started iTunes, moved it back so it was better placed on the screen and
sized sensibly, Quit iTunes, and then started it back up, and there it was,
right where I left it. So there is clearly a difference on what is 'saved'
when a App that 'apparently' doesn't have anything to save is Quit vs auto
Quit on shutdown.

So, do you leave LC running and simply have it auto Quit when you shutdown
your computer. Have you tried Starting LC first, then opening a stack, then
opening the script editor, and then, even though there is nothing to save,
select Save, then Quit LC, then start LC, then open your stack, then open
the script editor to see if it remembers.

HTH


On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 3:39 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote:

 Actually I don't know of any version for quite some time now which HAS
 re-opened the script editor window where I last closed it.  I work with two
 monitors and I like to have the script editor window open on the second one.

 In previous versions I've edited the Revolution UI Back Script.  I'd have
 to do a Save As on the RevLibrary file, quit and replace the old RevLibrary
 with the new one (in the ToolSet folder).

 With 6.5.2 I can no longer do this as Livecode won't open at all after
 replacing the RevLibrary file, even with an ever so slightly modified copy
 of it.

 It seems like a lot of work-around to get the script editor window to
 re-open where I closed it.  Shouldn't there be a simple preference
 somewhere?  Or shouldn't this just automatically happen?

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RE: OT-ish warning: Apple is still using Mac Roman

2014-01-29 Thread Paul D. DeRocco
 From: Graham Samuel
 
 Ha! So the person who wrote the text just **thought** they 
 were minus signs. The trouble with the en dash (as opposed to 
 the em dash - I used to set type by hand, so I remember 
 these) is that the glyph in most fonts is very close to the 
 minus sign.

I generally use en dashes for minus signs in documents, because hyphens
are too short in many proportional fonts, especially compared to plus
signs.

-- 

Ciao,   Paul D. DeRocco
Paulmailto:pdero...@ix.netcom.com 


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Re: OT-ish warning: Apple is still using Mac Roman

2014-01-29 Thread Richmond

On 29/01/14 23:40, Graham Samuel wrote:

I'm using LC 6.5.1 on a Mac with Mavericks. Recently I was given a Pages 
document with some text I needed to paste into a LiveCode desktop app.


You can, save from Pages into Microsoft's ubiquitous .doc format.

My younger son, who stays in Germany and uses a MacBook, sent me a pages 
document in that format, I then opened it

on Linux with Libre Office, and everything came through clearly. So:

1. Pages works with the MacRoman standard and converts this to Unicode 
when it saves to .doc.


or

2. Libre Office on Linux opens any .doc document perfectly regardless of 
its character encoding.


or

3. Pages DOES encode in Unicode.

I wonder 


The relevant text was:

3*(-1*x^2 + 4)(-1*x^4 - 5x + 2)

(Don't worry, it's just a meaningless example).

I changed this to plain text (it had originally been coloured and I thought 
this might affect the result). I then used an LC script to search for some 
characters, particularly the minus signs. Couldn't find them. Then I realised 
that I had to put the text string through LC's MactoISO function


Does Pages use MacRoman, or had you, by putting the text through LC's 
MactoISO function mucked it about?



  - so Pages, far from using UniCode (I thought everybody was doing it) is 
still using the old Mac character set. LC, even on a Mac, apparently isn't. The 
thing is, the pasted text **looks** OK in an LC field, but it's not.

Just a gotcha that surprised me and may bite someone else.

I'm wondering if LC 7 will take this kind of problem away. I'm also wondering 
what Apple are up to still using a proprietary character code. And I'm 
wondering if I should have tried to do the whole thing with Unicode text.


Unfortunately I'm at work where everything runs on Linux. However, when 
I get home this evening I shall dig out my macMini
(which has a licensed version of Pages running on it) and see what is 
going on.


This:

http://www.apple.com/mac/pages/compatibility/#text

is remarkably unhelpful as it is written for people who are interested 
in typing documents rather than transferring the end results
into happy little places such as an LC field. There is NO mention of 
|the U word (Unicode).


Richmond.


Graham
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