date:20160513


On 5/13/2016 10:12 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:

Proposed:

the default for a new group be "clean and unadorned"… without any GUI
attributes other than the objects that comprise the group.


You could do this pretty easily with a custom plugin that sets up the 
templateGroup when LC starts up.


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Defaults for groups

Am I the only one wishing that when we create a group the defaults should be no 
border, no border width assign and margins 0?

This keeps biting me as the dimensions of group and what appears on screen 
don't match and movement of objects in the group displace the group in ways 
that are off by a few pixels.  One gets a 2 pixel blank area inside the group. 
If you set the bottom of the gropu to the bottom o the card… you still get a 2 
pixel transparent area underneath the group… Setting a background object like a 
graphic to the exact same dimensions and rect of the group… they don't match.

But then if you turn off the border, explicitly set line width to 0 and margins 
to 0, the dimensions and what you see and the relation between objects in the 
group in terms of their coordinates… all work as expected.

Proposed:

the default for a new group be "clean and unadorned"… without any GUI 
attributes other than the objects that comprise the group.



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Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.1 RC-1

2016-05-13 Thread José Antonio Rocha

2016-05-13 14:43 GMT-03:00 RM :

> I am looking forwards to some sort of in-built Dictionary in the Linux
> 64-bit build


The 32-bits LC on 64-bits Linux call the default browser, instead stuck
like 64-bits LC. With Chromium, the dictionary load fast and perfect. With
Firefox, load erraticaly.



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Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.1 RC-1

2016-05-13 Thread mwieder



Quoting "J. Landman Gay" :


On 5/13/2016 2:27 PM, Matthias Rebbe wrote:


Sometimes i find myself opening LC6 or 7 just to use the
dictionary of that version.


I do the same.


Same here.

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Re: Sound and video on Windows - help needed urgently

I have had good luck using a player with dontUseQT set to true as long 
as the audio is created with a codec that Windows supports. I haven't 
had to use video, but since you mention invisible players, I assume 
audio is the target.


We tested m4a on a Windows 10 machine and it worked, but previous 
versions of Windows did not unless the user downloaded the codec. I 
think if you make sure that the correct audio codec is installed on the 
machine, the player should work correctly.


On 5/13/2016 5:03 PM, Tore Nilsen wrote:

I have a group of students up for national exams in computer science
in late May. In Norway, high school students bring their own
computers to the classroom and to their exams. One of my students has
a PC with Windows 10 installed. She reports that she is unable to use
the player object on her computer.

We do not know what tasks they will have to do for their exams until
the day of the exam, but previous exams have always contained one
task where students are asked to incorporate sound or video in their
application. In previous exams this task will have the students
prepare a media file (sound or video) and use it for different
purposes like a background track for a slide-show, a popUp window to
show videos or as a timed soundtrack for an animation.

In situations where the player object may be visible, we can always
use a browser-widget to complete the task. However, in situations
where the end user should not be able to control the player object
directly, or where the player object for other reasons needs to be
invisible, this is not a solution for this particular student.

Does anyone know if setting the dontuseQT to true will help? If not,
are there any other option we can try? Or should we start
transferring all her previous work, alongside LiveCode to one of our
schools older laptops, in order to have her up and running in good
time before her exam?


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Re: SVG Widgets Work Well -- User Contributions - Screen Casts

2016-05-13 Thread pink

I put together a small stack that extracts the path information from an SVG
file and applies it to an SVG icon. Doesn't matter how many paths, it will
combine them all, don't need to use Illustrator first.

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=8=27202
  



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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

2016-05-13 Thread Tore Nilsen

I thought they both got it from Agnes

Tore


> 14. mai 2016 kl. 01.06 skrev Bob Sneidar :
> 
> 
>> On May 13, 2016, at 16:05 , Bob Sneidar  wrote:
>> 
>> Well you know, there are lies... and then there are damnable lies... and 
>> then there are detestably damnable lies...
>> 
>> And then there are statistics!
>> 
>> (roughly a quote of Mark Twain)
>> 
> 
> Who I just discovered got it from British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli.
> 
> Bob S
> 
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Re: Bug Report

17643.

Bob S


On May 13, 2016, at 15:56 , Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami 
> wrote:

...,laptop with dual monitors that has to get up and take their laptop 
elsewhere from time to time, upvote the bug

Yes
Bug #?

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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Sorry for the quoting mess. Apple Mail it seems cannot discern the quote level 
when I type AFTER the quoted text. 

Bob S


> On May 13, 2016, at 16:11 , Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
> 
> On May 13, 2016, at 14:17 , J. Landman Gay 
> > wrote:
> 
> On 5/13/2016 2:02 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote:
> My first gut reaction was "So, I and the other 24% minority of people
> paying for licenses are funding an awesome development tool that some
> 76% of you folks out there are using for free. People who only use
> Community and grip should be sending the 24% of us who pay thank you cards!"
> 
> I had the same reaction. It is, to my mind, the height of chutzpah to 
> complain about things one receives for free. It is a delusion to think that a 
> contribution to a kickstarter 3 years ago is still funding current 
> development.
> 
> Frankly, when the kickstarter was announced, I didn't think they were 
> shooting high enough. I'm amazed it got done, which is why I bought my indy 
> license. If RunRev ever goes down, I will be one sick and depressed puppy for 
> about 6 months. My last and best hope for continued software development is 
> Livecode. If I have to go to Java or C, I think I will travel to Alaska and 
> try and make friends with a grizzly instead.
> 
> That being said, I am paying for it with my own money so I can create apps 
> that help me in my work environment. While that benifits me, there certainly 
> is no "return on investment" to speak of, other than the fact that the guy 
> who snickered when I told him I was going to write an app that auto filled 
> PDF forms is no longer snickering. :-)
> 
> Bob S
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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO


On May 13, 2016, at 14:17 , J. Landman Gay 
> wrote:

On 5/13/2016 2:02 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote:
My first gut reaction was "So, I and the other 24% minority of people
paying for licenses are funding an awesome development tool that some
76% of you folks out there are using for free. People who only use
Community and grip should be sending the 24% of us who pay thank you cards!"

I had the same reaction. It is, to my mind, the height of chutzpah to complain 
about things one receives for free. It is a delusion to think that a 
contribution to a kickstarter 3 years ago is still funding current development.

Frankly, when the kickstarter was announced, I didn't think they were shooting 
high enough. I'm amazed it got done, which is why I bought my indy license. If 
RunRev ever goes down, I will be one sick and depressed puppy for about 6 
months. My last and best hope for continued software development is Livecode. 
If I have to go to Java or C, I think I will travel to Alaska and try and make 
friends with a grizzly instead.

That being said, I am paying for it with my own money so I can create apps that 
help me in my work environment. While that benifits me, there certainly is no 
"return on investment" to speak of, other than the fact that the guy who 
snickered when I told him I was going to write an app that auto filled PDF 
forms is no longer snickering. :-)

Bob S


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Re: Inter-app URIs

Can we link via some uri

>From card 10 of app/ stack A
To card 5 of stack/app B

?

BR

( from my mobile )




On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 4:04 PM -0700, "Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami" 
> wrote:

Can someone point me to the dictionary entry on inter app URIs

Is there  a way to just say from card 10 in stack/app A to card

Swasti Astu! Be Well

( from my mobile )

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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO


> On May 13, 2016, at 16:05 , Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
> Well you know, there are lies... and then there are damnable lies... and then 
> there are detestably damnable lies...
> 
> And then there are statistics!
> 
> (roughly a quote of Mark Twain)
> 

Who I just discovered got it from British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli.

Bob S


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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Well you know, there are lies... and then there are damnable lies... and then 
there are detestably damnable lies...

And then there are statistics!

(roughly a quote of Mark Twain)

Bob S


On May 13, 2016, at 12:58 , Peter M. Brigham 
> wrote:

On May 13, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote:

It is *always* worth noting that statistics can be unintentionally
misleading, take out of context, and intentionally misinterpreted.

42.7% of statistics are made up on the spot.

-- Peter

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Inter-app URIs

Can someone point me to the dictionary entry on inter app URIs

Is there  a way to just say from card 10 in stack/app A to card

Swasti Astu! Be Well

( from my mobile )

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Re: Bug Report

...,laptop with dual monitors that has to get up and take their laptop 
elsewhere from time to time, upvote the bug

Yes
Bug #?

Related: stacks on the secondary moniter do not even get mouse msgs R U seeing 
that too?

BR

( from my mobile )




On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 3:37 PM -0700, "Bob Sneidar" 
> wrote:

Hi all.

Just submitted a bug report involving windows becoming unresponsive when a dual 
monitor is unplugged and the windows rearrange on the main monitor. They will 
all align to the top of the monitor, and once there will no longer respond 
until moved below the toolbar. This affects IDE windows like the tools pallette 
as well. This happens in all versions on a Mac OS.

If this has irritated anyone else developing on a laptop with dual monitors 
that has to get up and take their laptop elsewhere from time to time, upvote 
the bug. Otherwise I'll go back to murmuring to myself about non-sensical 
things. ;-)

Bob S



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Re: Positive Infinity forever

Well then it's not infinite is it? So everything else falls flat after that. :-)

Bob S


On May 13, 2016, at 11:30 , Dr. Hawkins 
> wrote:

Let N be a finite positive number, may be real.

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Re: Group not appearing in Project Browser

So after reopening the project browser I found my missing group inside another 
group that I had just cloned, in order to GET the missing group. That itself 
may be another bug. Cloning a group by option-dragging another group should not 
put the copy INSIDE the source. I'll try to reproduce it. 

Bob S


> On May 13, 2016, at 10:36 , Mike Kerner  wrote:
> 
> And I filed a bug report on it, too.
> 
> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Mike Kerner 
> wrote:
> 
>> There are issues with the PB not syncing properly.  I tried chasing it but
>> eventually gave up.  The easiest way to fix it, in my view, is to just
>> click in the search field in the PB.  It immediately syncs/updates.
>> 
>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Bob Sneidar 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> 
>>> I cloned a group that contained a label and a text field. I renamed the
>>> group, label and text field to something unique. I opened the project
>>> browser, expanded the stack, and then the card. The group and all of it's
>>> controls do NOT appear in the project browser! I close t he project
>>> browser, save the changes in the stack, reopen the project browser, and
>>> there is my missing group! Apparently the project browser does not read the
>>> stack from memory, but rather from the file on disk. Just guessing but that
>>> would explain the behavior.
>>> 


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Re: Bug Report


> On May 13, 2016, at 15:39 , Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On May 13, 2016, at 15:36 , Bob Sneidar  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. 
>> 
>> Just submitted a bug report involving windows becoming unresponsive when a 
>> dual monitor is unplugged and the windows rearrange on the main monitor. 
> 
> BTW if there is a message sent to the IDE when the windows rearrange, maybe I 
> can intercept it and create a workaround. I can't find one in the dictionary 
> though. 
> 
> Bob S

And for now and for what it's worth I just put this in my Development menu:

case "Center Window"
set the loc of stack (the short name of the current stack) to \
the screenLoc
break



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Re: Bug Report

2016-05-13 Thread Paul Dupuis

On 5/13/2016 6:39 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> On May 13, 2016, at 15:36 , Bob Sneidar 
> > wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> Just submitted a bug report involving windows becoming unresponsive when a 
> dual monitor is unplugged and the windows rearrange on the main monitor.
>
> BTW if there is a message sent to the IDE when the windows rearrange, maybe I 
> can intercept it and create a workaround. I can't find one in the dictionary 
> though.
>

I've been running into similar issues in that the IDE appears to set the
windowBoundRect - AFTER my app has already set it to allow for
combination menubar/toolbar windows at the top of screen.

When I then use the windowBoundingRect as a guide for automatic layout
of other windows in my app, then all appear in unexpected locations due
to the changes to the windowBoundingRect by the IDE

I have also discovered a crap load of problems using 'the effective
rect' of a stack (setting or getting) if the stack is not an open,
visible, resizable, stack.

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Re: Bug Report


On May 13, 2016, at 15:36 , Bob Sneidar 
> wrote:

Hi all.

Just submitted a bug report involving windows becoming unresponsive when a dual 
monitor is unplugged and the windows rearrange on the main monitor.

BTW if there is a message sent to the IDE when the windows rearrange, maybe I 
can intercept it and create a workaround. I can't find one in the dictionary 
though.

Bob S
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Bug Report

Hi all. 

Just submitted a bug report involving windows becoming unresponsive when a dual 
monitor is unplugged and the windows rearrange on the main monitor. They will 
all align to the top of the monitor, and once there will no longer respond 
until moved below the toolbar. This affects IDE windows like the tools pallette 
as well. This happens in all versions on a Mac OS. 

If this has irritated anyone else developing on a laptop with dual monitors 
that has to get up and take their laptop elsewhere from time to time, upvote 
the bug. Otherwise I'll go back to murmuring to myself about non-sensical 
things. ;-)

Bob S



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Re: SVG Widgets Work Well -- User Contributions - Screen Casts

2016-05-13 Thread Earthednet-wp

Great idea! I'd like to see that happen.
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On May 13, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami  
> wrote:
> 
> SVG widget, despite limitations at the moment, is awesome making icons. No 
> more PNG's that go "all bust up" if you resize them…
> 
> 
> 
> Go to iconfinder.com… download what you want as svg.
> 
> 
> 
> Note that there are cases where the svg is in several paths. So if you open 
> in Illustrator, select all and make compound path, save and *then* use that 
> in the SVG widget… it works.. even unexpectedly where you may have e.g. 3 
> dots that you would think must be independent paths…
> 
> 
> 
> My suggestion is that you might better expose that tip on making compound 
> paths.
> 
> 
> 
> Which then leads my question on user contributions channels. Let's say we 
> discover something useful that we feel is really buried in terms of what 
> newbies would need and might be frustrated trying to find.
> 
> 
> 
> How does one best get that into the mix of documentatin/tutorials. Another 
> useful channel I see is YouTube itself… lots of people posting things like 
> "How to do this in Outlook"   3 minutes, max
> 
> 
> 
> But it is fragmented.
> 
> 
> 
> We do a lot of small tech screen casts internally and it would be trivioal 
> for me or many others to start recording video and just do a "Up and Running 
> with SVG Icon"   2 minutes, open stack, drag SVG icon out. Switch to browser, 
> download SVG switch to illustrator, make compound path, open in Atom, copy 
> and paste into Livecod… and verbalize the gotchas  like "if your path doesn't 
> start with "m" then it wont' work… be sure to select between the quotes… you 
> don't need all that code at the top. Etc."
> 
> 
> 
> So if one did make such a screen cast. Where would it go
> 
> 
> 
> We are not talking about issues/problems or work around, but just things that 
> actually do work but which may be obscure.
> 
> 
> 
> BR
> 
> 
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SVG Widgets Work Well -- User Contributions - Screen Casts

SVG widget, despite limitations at the moment, is awesome making icons. No more 
PNG's that go "all bust up" if you resize them…



Go to iconfinder.com… download what you want as svg.



Note that there are cases where the svg is in several paths. So if you open in 
Illustrator, select all and make compound path, save and *then* use that in the 
SVG widget… it works.. even unexpectedly where you may have e.g. 3 dots that 
you would think must be independent paths…



My suggestion is that you might better expose that tip on making compound paths.



Which then leads my question on user contributions channels. Let's say we 
discover something useful that we feel is really buried in terms of what 
newbies would need and might be frustrated trying to find.



How does one best get that into the mix of documentatin/tutorials. Another 
useful channel I see is YouTube itself… lots of people posting things like "How 
to do this in Outlook"   3 minutes, max



But it is fragmented.



We do a lot of small tech screen casts internally and it would be trivioal for 
me or many others to start recording video and just do a "Up and Running with 
SVG Icon"   2 minutes, open stack, drag SVG icon out. Switch to browser, 
download SVG switch to illustrator, make compound path, open in Atom, copy and 
paste into Livecod… and verbalize the gotchas  like "if your path doesn't start 
with "m" then it wont' work… be sure to select between the quotes… you don't 
need all that code at the top. Etc."



So if one did make such a screen cast. Where would it go



We are not talking about issues/problems or work around, but just things that 
actually do work but which may be obscure.



BR



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Sound and video on Windows - help needed urgently

2016-05-13 Thread Tore Nilsen

I have a group of students up for national exams in computer science in late 
May. In Norway, high school students bring their own computers to the classroom 
and to their exams. One of my students has a PC with Windows 10 installed. She 
reports that she is unable to use the player object on her computer. 

We do not know what tasks they will have to do for their exams until the day of 
the exam, but previous exams have always contained one task where students are 
asked to incorporate sound or video in their application. In previous exams 
this task will have the students prepare a media file (sound or video) and use 
it for different purposes like a background track for a slide-show, a popUp 
window to show videos or as a timed soundtrack for an animation.

In situations where the player object may be visible, we can always use a 
browser-widget to complete the task. However, in situations where the end user 
should not be able to control the player object directly, or where the player 
object for other reasons needs to be invisible, this is not a solution for this 
particular student. 

Does anyone know if setting the dontuseQT to true will help? If not, are there 
any other option we can try? Or should we start transferring all her previous 
work, alongside LiveCode to one of our schools older laptops, in order to have 
her up and running in good time before her exam?

Regards

Tore Nilsen
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Re: How to Force Group to Show on Top of Browser Widget

That's  interesting…. "borderless window" means substack… right? And then on 
Mobile it will replace the underlying stack completely

N'est ce pas?

At any rate… good do know it can't be done at the moment. I'll proceed with a 
work-around ala something along the lines of Jame's recommendation. I think I 
will do something interesting and slide the widget over to the right and then 
run icons/buttons those down the left… It's not mission critical that the nav 
bar appear.. only that those options are available somehow. 

On 5/12/16, 10:31 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Kevin Miller" 
 wrote:

>The workaround for the moment is to use a borderless window that floats on
>top with a handler to keep it in place if you resize the underlying stack.
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Kevin

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Re: LiveCode Server Linux 64 -- Exiting on "signal 11"

I installed the 8.0GM server and it still happening.

With a good recipe, I still enter this 

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17642

Though would it make more sense to re-open 17246?


On 5/12/16, 6:17 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin" 
 
wrote:

>Bad search - found it:
>
>
>It's marked as Resolved Fixed for 8.0GM - is your server still running DP16?
>
>It may also be a separate issue, as our recipes differ slightly.
>
>If you still see this after confirming 8.0 GM, please submit a report 
>for that.
>

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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Hi Rick,

1. Sometimes the data is blind, sometimes it is not. When analyzing the
survey for most purposes we strip out any identifying data so this is
irrelevant to the person doing the analysis.

2. Sometimes we indicate the number of questions and sometimes we do not.
It depends on what the survey is for, who it is going to and how it has
been designed.

3. Some surveys do things like that depending on what the user answers,
most do not. Sometimes this is the right approach if we are fairly sure we
want to go in a particular direction for some other reason and want to pin
down some specifics. Other times we do large independent surveys entirely
separate from this sort of analysis. You will get different surveys
depending on your demographics within our user base. And we do sample
widely enough to get representative results.

Rick just so you know my dad, Dr Miller used to play a major role in
organizing the EU young people drug and alcohol survey for the UK. He
regularly provided support to students learning how to design surveys so
as to avoid bias and how to apply statistics to survey analysis. My mum,
also Dr Miller, used to lecture in experimental design at university
level. I have also had the pleasure and privilege of working with CEOs and
product managers of far larger organizations than ours and been able to
discuss at length our survey strategy with them. While there is always
room for improvement, I am extremely confident the for the most part we
get good data, ask good questions and make better decisions as a result of
these surveys.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps

On 13/05/2016, 22:00, "use-livecode on behalf of Rick Harrison"
 wrote:

>Hi Richard,
>
>These surveys could be a lot better than they are.
>
>1.  The data collected is not blind.  It is traceable to the
> participant who filled out the survey.
>
>2.  The questions are not all available at once so that one
> can decide if they want to participate or not.  The
> participant has no idea how many questions there are,
> what the questions are that will be asked, or how much time
> he/she will have to devote to answering the questions.
>
>3.  The survey when it asks questions like: Would you like
> to see project XYZ implemented?, then almost immediately
> asks: If so, how much money would you be willing to
> pledge to this project right now?  This seems more like
> an attempt to bully people out of their money, rather than
> an attempt to collect some blind data about support for a project.
>
>The approach for money should take place separately from the
>survey which should be blind only data collected.
>
>I think a lot of people in our community have caught onto this unfair
>approach, and may have given up on responding to such surveys.
>Consequently, LiveCode Ltd., isn¹t getting enough data to make
>correct assessments with their surveys.
>
>Just my 2 cents. :-|
>
>Rick
>
>
>> On May 13, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Richard Gaskin 
>>wrote:
>> 
>> To help turn myriad list posts into actionable information, LiveCode
>>conducts several surveys of the user base each year...
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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

2016-05-13 Thread stephen barncard

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:35 AM, Dave Kilroy 
wrote:

> My regards to all who have pledged or who intend to pledge, no matter how
> little or how much - and I'll see you on the sunny side of the street some
> day!
>
> Kind regards
>
> Dave
>

Just pledged. I'm in.

sqb

Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org
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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO


On 5/13/2016 2:02 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote:

My first gut reaction was "So, I and the other 24% minority of people
paying for licenses are funding an awesome development tool that some
76% of you folks out there are using for free. People who only use
Community and grip should be sending the 24% of us who pay thank you cards!"


I had the same reaction. It is, to my mind, the height of chutzpah to 
complain about things one receives for free. It is a delusion to think 
that a contribution to a kickstarter 3 years ago is still funding 
current development.


The team needs a steady source of income to continue development into 
the future. If only 1/4 of the user base is paying for that then 
development will slow or founder. I am amazed and grateful for the work 
the team has done on such slim resources provided by only a fraction of 
the user base. They should be receiving accolades.


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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

2016-05-13 Thread Rick Harrison

Hi Richard,

These surveys could be a lot better than they are.

1.  The data collected is not blind.  It is traceable to the
 participant who filled out the survey.

2.  The questions are not all available at once so that one
 can decide if they want to participate or not.  The 
 participant has no idea how many questions there are, 
 what the questions are that will be asked, or how much time
 he/she will have to devote to answering the questions.

3.  The survey when it asks questions like: Would you like
 to see project XYZ implemented?, then almost immediately
 asks: If so, how much money would you be willing to
 pledge to this project right now?  This seems more like
 an attempt to bully people out of their money, rather than
 an attempt to collect some blind data about support for a project.

The approach for money should take place separately from the
survey which should be blind only data collected.

I think a lot of people in our community have caught onto this unfair 
approach, and may have given up on responding to such surveys.
Consequently, LiveCode Ltd., isn’t getting enough data to make
correct assessments with their surveys.

Just my 2 cents. :-|

Rick

> On May 13, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Richard Gaskin  wrote:
> 
> To help turn myriad list posts into actionable information, LiveCode conducts 
> several surveys of the user base each year...
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.1 RC-1


On 5/13/2016 2:27 PM, Matthias Rebbe wrote:


I am too having problems with the new dictionary. Not technical
problems, but problems with the gui or however i should call it. I
miss the old style, especially if i am searching for something. The
result list of the old dictionary was much more clearer than the new
one. Sometimes i find myself opening LC6 or 7 just to use the
dictionary of that version.


I do the same. The results list should have two columns, the first 
should be the keyword, the second should be the example syntax.


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Re: Field Text Bugs


On 5/13/2016 2:45 PM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote:

It took me awhile to figure out how to set the textFont of a field using the 
IDE—it apparently has to be done via the Text menu. I can’t seem to be able to 
type a font name into the Inspector directly as in earlier versions of LC. And 
the Inspector doesn’t always display the font name after it is set. 
Earlier-created (LC 6.1.3) stacks opened in LC 8 do show the font name.

I don’t know if this is a bug or a feature…


Bug. The text font and size fields are both screwy, and changing one 
often messes up the other. If you could report it, that would be great.


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Re: Positive Infinity forever

2016-05-13 Thread dunbarx

Leave it to Hermann to pledge 2^(2^7)


Craig



-Original Message-
From: [-hh] 
To: use-revolution 
Sent: Fri, May 13, 2016 4:04 pm
Subject: Re: Positive Infinity forever

Richard H. wrote
> Well, which infinity?  aleph-naught (A0) is the count of the
> integers/wholes/natural A1=2^A0, the count of the reals. 

Craig N. wrote:
> can it handle infinity^infinity? Of course, you need unicode
to display the answer.

Richard, I mean A0, and yes
Craig, A0 and A1 are members of Unicode.

For the advanced computation rules Richard cited, Kevin has first
to introduce the "LiveCode continuum hypothesis". Perhaps right
after the pledge is done?

For the moment it is good enough that the integer 8 is followed
by aleph zero (A0). Let him a possibility for stepping up, I am
willing to accept the LC continuum hypothesis, that is to back
one more pledge. But NOT 2^myLastPledge (which would be
$340282366920938463463374607431768211456).

===
Richard H.
> Yes, I really took a course  on that, from the master
> himself (Halmos)
He was one of the greatest. Hope his lectures were as excellent
as his books (but I read only three of these).



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Re: recording sound problem with new mac pro

2016-05-13 Thread Peter Bogdanoff

I also saw this happen. I believe it is a problem based the version of OS X 
that you are using, and probably the implementation of QuickTime by OS X in 
your new Mac.

1. Apple is scaling back support for QT—I think this is a symptom of that.
2. Currently LiveCode requires QT to enable recording.
3. LiveCode is planning to implement recording using the native AV 
Foundation—but that hasn’t happened yet.

So, in the meantime—apparently you will not be able to record in LC on your Mac 
Pro.

Peter Bogdanoff
UCLA


On May 13, 2016, at 3:54 AM, BRAMI serge  wrote:

> Well hello everybody 
> I need help 
> I use LC for my professional use 
> I have the following problem
> 
> from 
> LC 6.7 … the recording sound doesnt work on my MAC pro ( the new one)  and 
> only on this mac 
> LC 7 and 8 recording sound  it is the same thing
> 
> on my others computers  IMAC and mac book air recording works fine  this with 
> exactly the same stack (which is shared by dropbox)
> 
> quicktime player recording works well on each computer 
> 
> dontuseQT  is set to false
> 
> 
> the recording input for the mac pro  is set to the APPLE THUNDERBOLT  DISPLAY 
> mic   in the system preferences
> 
> the recording input in the script is st to "dfilt «   but i have tried with 
> other options (imic emic …) and it doesnt work
> 
> 
> it is a big problem for me , It prevent me to upgrade to the newest version 
> of LC
> 
> any idea ??
> 
> best regards 
> 
> 
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Re: Positive Infinity forever

Richard H. wrote
> Well, which infinity?  aleph-naught (A0) is the count of the
> integers/wholes/natural A1=2^A0, the count of the reals. 

Craig N. wrote:
> can it handle infinity^infinity? Of course, you need unicode
to display the answer.

Richard, I mean A0, and yes
Craig, A0 and A1 are members of Unicode.

For the advanced computation rules Richard cited, Kevin has first
to introduce the "LiveCode continuum hypothesis". Perhaps right
after the pledge is done?

For the moment it is good enough that the integer 8 is followed
by aleph zero (A0). Let him a possibility for stepping up, I am
willing to accept the LC continuum hypothesis, that is to back
one more pledge. But NOT 2^myLastPledge (which would be
$340282366920938463463374607431768211456).

===
Richard H.
> Yes, I really took a course  on that, from the master
> himself (Halmos)
He was one of the greatest. Hope his lectures were as excellent
as his books (but I read only three of these).

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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Paul Dupois wrote:
> However, that gut reaction in no way takes into account the "gift in
> kind" contributions of people using only the Community license in
> (a) contributions to the source code
> (b) time spend on submitting quality bug reports
> (c) time spend on helping others with useful advice on the forums
> or email lists, and
> (d) many, many, other similar contributions of time.

I know many people who do at least three of these four items. ALL of
them, inclusive me, have at least an Indy license and are backing each
and every campaign.
This is independent of license holding. Community is for me everybody
outside the LC team.

I see it like this (leaving bussiness uses apart).
Most of Indy users (like me) don't really need or use the license.
They have one, because they can afford one  and are willing to help by
that the thing going on, for all. Of course I use also community-only
LC versions (for example for the RaspbianPi).
Who can't afford it, should have a license-light (real license) for free or
a rather symbolic price.

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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

2016-05-13 Thread Peter M. Brigham

On May 13, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote:

> It is *always* worth noting that statistics can be unintentionally
> misleading, take out of context, and intentionally misinterpreted.

42.7% of statistics are made up on the spot.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
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Field Text Bugs

2016-05-13 Thread Peter Bogdanoff

I just submitted 3 bug reports for LC 8.0.0 having to do with field text:

Bug 17639 - Cursor in fields renders in wrong position in fields with 
fixedLineHeight false
Bug 17640 - Cursor in fields blinks too slowly
Bug 17641 - Field text is difficult to format for pasted-in text

It took me awhile to figure out how to set the textFont of a field using the 
IDE—it apparently has to be done via the Text menu. I can’t seem to be able to 
type a font name into the Inspector directly as in earlier versions of LC. And 
the Inspector doesn’t always display the font name after it is set. 
Earlier-created (LC 6.1.3) stacks opened in LC 8 do show the font name.

I don’t know if this is a bug or a feature…

Peter Bogdanoff
UCLA
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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

2016-05-13 Thread Matthias Rebbe



> 
> However, if you are getting something for free AND you are not
> contributing anything at all (time and/or money), stop complaining ;-)
> 

I also thought so. But I did not dare to write it myself. ;)

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.1 RC-1

2016-05-13 Thread Matthias Rebbe



> 
> (and, as someone remarked on the Forums, "Can we have our old dictionary 
> back?" - why not; as the new one is totally NON,
> there's no point in having it)
> 

I am too having problems with the new dictionary. Not technical problems, but 
problems with the gui or however i should call it. I miss the old style, 
especially if i am searching for something. The result list of the old 
dictionary was much more clearer than the new one.
Sometimes i find myself opening LC6 or 7 just to use the dictionary of that 
version.

 Maybe i need more time to feel comfortable with the new dictionary, but at the 
moment i don´t.

Matthias
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Re: HTML5 LC Download Icon?

2016-05-13 Thread Rick Harrison

Hi Peter,

The reason I’ve been playing around with the Community Version of HTML5
was so I could determine if HTML5 was ready for primetime for me to start my
Indy License which I prepaid for when I backed the KickStarter Campaign for it.

I wanted to make sure that the Indy version didn’t have icons forced upon my
app that I didn’t want, hence my question.

I’m glad to hear that the Indy version doesn’t include that piece of code.

My vision of HTML5 apparently was totally different from what the team
envisioned.  What I wanted was something that would generate the
HTML5 code which I would put on my server that would then execute 
as a LiveCode App.  Instead the engine and the app are downloaded
to the users computer.  Why is this better than the Web Plug-In we used 
to have which used to do something similar?

I also noticed that there is a spinning wheel which indicates the download.
Wouldn’t a progress bar be better so the user has some idea of how
long the wait might be?  Is it possible to create a progress bar for that,
or is it beyond the capability as it now stands?

Sadly, since the database/file persistence hasn’t been implemented, this
version of HTML5 is pretty worthless to me.  Now I’m again left with the
dilemma of trying to figure out if I should start using my Indy License
for HTML5 or not.

Thanks for getting back to me Peter!

Rick

> On May 13, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Peter TB Brett  wrote:
> 
> On 07/05/2016 02:09, Rick Harrison wrote:
>> I’ve been playing around with HTML5
>> in the Community Version of LC 8.
>> 
>> Although I think the small green LC App Download
>> button is an interesting idea, I might want my users
>> to only use the app online. I might not want them
>> downloading it into their computer.
> 
> They are already downloading it onto their computer in order to run it. You 
> are distributing your app (and LiveCode!) to them, which means that under the 
> terms of the GPLv3 you must provide them with the complete corresponding 
> source code in the preferred form for modification.
> 
> The convenient button helps you comply with the license.
> 
>> How do I disable that LC button which is
>> part of the frame on the right side, or
>> make it disappear altogether?
> 
> Use LiveCode Indy or Commercial, or compile a version of the Open Source 
> LiveCode HTML5 engine that doesn't include that piece of code.
> 
>> It also appears there is no way to
>> store information in a permanent
>> way in flat files or to a database,
>> unless I’m missing something here.
> 
> At the moment there's no persistence implemented, sorry. :-(
> 
>   Peter
> 
> -- 
> Dr Peter Brett 
> LiveCode Open Source Team
> 
> LiveCode 2016 Conference https://livecode.com/edinburgh-2016/
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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

2016-05-13 Thread Paul Dupuis

It is *always* worth noting that statistics can be unintentionally
misleading, take out of context, and intentionally misinterpreted.

I saw the statistic in the LiveCode 8 Launch webinar that 24% of
LiveCode licenses are paid and 76% are Community (open source) licenses.

My first gut reaction was "So, I and the other 24% minority of people
paying for licenses are funding an awesome development tool that some
76% of you folks out there are using for free. People who only use
Community and grip should be sending the 24% of us who pay thank you cards!"

However, that gut reaction in no way takes into account the "gift in
kind" contributions of people using only the Community license in (a)
contributions to the source code; (b) time spend on submitting quality
bug reports; (c) time spend on helping others with useful advice on the
forums or email lists; and (d) many, many, other similar contributions
of time.

However, if you are getting something for free AND you are not
contributing anything at all (time and/or money), stop complaining ;-)

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Re: Positive Infinity forever

2016-05-13 Thread Dr. Hawkins

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 10:18 AM, [-hh]  wrote:

The following is correct math.
>

Always a *dangerous thing to say.*


>
> Let N be a finite positive number, may be real.
>
> • Infinity > N
> • Infinity = Infinity + N
> • Infinity = Infinity - N
> • Infinity = N * Infinity
>
> But all of you, who play with that divine number:
>
> • Infinity - Infinity
> is NOT consistently definable.
>
>

Well, which infinity?  aleph-naught (A0) is the count of the
integers/wholes/natural

A1=2^A0, the count of the reals.

For that mater 2^AJ=A(J+1)

A1-A0=A1

Aj^n=Aj

A0 is also "countable"; A1 and higher are not.


Yes, I really took a course  on that, from the master himself (Halmos)

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Re: Positive Infinity forever

2016-05-13 Thread dunbarx

Hermann.


Can it handle infinty^infinity? Of course, you need unicode to display the 
answer.


Craig



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Subject: Positive Infinity forever

The following is correct math.Let N be a finite positive number, may be real.• 
Infinity > N• Infinity = Infinity + N• Infinity = Infinity - N• Infinity = N * 
InfinityBut all of you, who play with that divine number:• Infinity - 
Infinityis NOT consistently definable.Trying that causes an immediate crash of 
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Positive Infinity forever

The following is correct math.

Let N be a finite positive number, may be real.

• Infinity > N
• Infinity = Infinity + N
• Infinity = Infinity - N
• Infinity = N * Infinity

But all of you, who play with that divine number:

• Infinity - Infinity
is NOT consistently definable.

Trying that causes an immediate crash of the
whole system. So pledge please ;-)



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Re: Raising Money

2016-05-13 Thread RM


Luckily for me I live a long way away from American politics (although,
admittedly, I wouldn't mind taking a semi-automatic to Trump), and live 
in a country
where the politics are remarkably bent, and as I am not allowed to vote 
here I just

get on with my job.

However, Livecode is not "American Politics".

R.

On 13.05.2016 18:13, Bob Sneidar wrote:

Well then, you must be completely confounded with American Politics! ;-)

Bob S



On May 12, 2016, at 23:11 , RM  wrote:

I really wonder about asking people for donations
when one hasn't fulfilled all the promises one made
last time people gave you money.

R.

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.1 RC-1

2016-05-13 Thread RM


This, oddly enough, excites me, for 2 reasons:

1. The "Stable" release version 8.0.0 is not feature complete, and is 
"quite wonky"

on Linux 64-bit.

2. I am endlessly hopeful, naive and optimistic.

I am looking forwards to some sort of in-built Dictionary in the Linux 
64-bit build


(and, as someone remarked on the Forums, "Can we have our old dictionary 
back?" - why not; as the new one is totally NON,

there's no point in having it)

but I am installing the 32-bit build alongside the 64-bit one as , 
despite protestations, I think that has been side-lined.


Richmond.

On 13.05.2016 16:26, panagiotis merakos wrote:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0.1 RC-1.





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Re: Group not appearing in Project Browser

2016-05-13 Thread Mike Kerner

There are issues with the PB not syncing properly.  I tried chasing it but
eventually gave up.  The easiest way to fix it, in my view, is to just
click in the search field in the PB.  It immediately syncs/updates.

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Bob Sneidar 
wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> I cloned a group that contained a label and a text field. I renamed the
> group, label and text field to something unique. I opened the project
> browser, expanded the stack, and then the card. The group and all of it's
> controls do NOT appear in the project browser! I close t he project
> browser, save the changes in the stack, reopen the project browser, and
> there is my missing group! Apparently the project browser does not read the
> stack from memory, but rather from the file on disk. Just guessing but that
> would explain the behavior.
>
> Is this the intended behavior? Everyone should be aware of it if it is. My
> recollection is that the application browser would show all current objects
> whether or not the stack had been saved. BTW this is a substack of a
> mainstack. Not sure if that will make a difference.
>
> Bob S
>
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Re: Group not appearing in Project Browser

2016-05-13 Thread Mike Kerner

And I filed a bug report on it, too.

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> There are issues with the PB not syncing properly.  I tried chasing it but
> eventually gave up.  The easiest way to fix it, in my view, is to just
> click in the search field in the PB.  It immediately syncs/updates.
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Bob Sneidar 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I cloned a group that contained a label and a text field. I renamed the
>> group, label and text field to something unique. I opened the project
>> browser, expanded the stack, and then the card. The group and all of it's
>> controls do NOT appear in the project browser! I close t he project
>> browser, save the changes in the stack, reopen the project browser, and
>> there is my missing group! Apparently the project browser does not read the
>> stack from memory, but rather from the file on disk. Just guessing but that
>> would explain the behavior.
>>
>> Is this the intended behavior? Everyone should be aware of it if it is.
>> My recollection is that the application browser would show all current
>> objects whether or not the stack had been saved. BTW this is a substack of
>> a mainstack. Not sure if that will make a difference.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
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Re: HTML5 LC Download Icon?

Just to avoid misunderstandings for HTML5-standalones
(one has to read Peter's posts always twice...):
Using a licensed version of LiveCode disables the
download icon. But:

Downloading can NOT be disabled, no matter the license.
Reading scripts can NOT be disabled, no matter the license.

Not showing the download icon/link does NOT disable the
download and script view of the zipped stack. Even the extra
HTML5 license does NOT allow to protect the source code.

The zipped stack is in the same folder as the calling HTML.
If the default is used then replacing the last path item in
the browser by "standalone.zip" downloads the stack. Or you
have to use a custom zip name (find its name in the HTML
page source code, no matter the license).

I told my naming convention the users of my HTML5-modules
in the HTML5 forum, so they don't have to look into the
HTML source (for example "MathBeauties1b-8.0.0-rc-1.zip").

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Group not appearing in Project Browser

Hi all. 

I cloned a group that contained a label and a text field. I renamed the group, 
label and text field to something unique. I opened the project browser, 
expanded the stack, and then the card. The group and all of it's controls do 
NOT appear in the project browser! I close t he project browser, save the 
changes in the stack, reopen the project browser, and there is my missing 
group! Apparently the project browser does not read the stack from memory, but 
rather from the file on disk. Just guessing but that would explain the 
behavior. 

Is this the intended behavior? Everyone should be aware of it if it is. My 
recollection is that the application browser would show all current objects 
whether or not the stack had been saved. BTW this is a substack of a mainstack. 
Not sure if that will make a difference. 

Bob S



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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

These are valid points. I covered a great deal of ground in that
presentation however this was an angle that I missed. I certainly didn¹t
intend any offense with that omission and if I gave any then I do
apologize for that. We are all extremely grateful for the many ways the
community contributes.

I¹m also pleased to see a number of new contributions this week which is
wonderful.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps




On 13/05/2016, 17:52, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin"

wrote:

>-hh wrote:
>
> > I can't forget this community-trivializing pie chart
> > "The Story of community"(see webinar at 6:37), based on
> > pull requests: 2% community, 98% LiveCode (ignoring
> > the fact that many pull requests of the LC-team are
> > essentially based on time-consuming community LC QC
> > reports).
>
>Pull requests are a seductive focus for measuring community engagement
>because the stats are automatically provided by Github.
>
>But I agree that it's a mistake for any project to measure by that
>single index, as so many do.
>
>In addition to bug reporting and triage, there are also many other
>categories where the community plays a strong supporting role for the
>project.
>
>A few days ago I listed some of the outstanding work being done by so
>many educators in our community to introduce LiveCode to teachers and
>students around the world, and in areas like community technical support
>we see Bernd and Klaus and yourself making very significant
>contributions throughout the forums to help newcomers feel more
>empowered as they learn LiveCode.
>
>One of the reasons I advocated using the livecode.org domain exclusively
>for the Community Edition is so that we can do a better job of providing
>acknowledgment for the full scope of community contributions.
>
>If you have any thoughts on how we might track those better I would be
>keen to hear them.  Unlike pull requests, which are tallied
>automatically for us, other forms of community contributions are more
>difficult to track, often relying on subjective assessment (and without
>sufficient coffee too easy to forget something important).
>
>Any ideas you or others here have for better assessing and acknowledging
>community contributions would be very welcome.
>
>-- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  LiveCode Community Liaison
>  rich...@livecode.org
>
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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

2016-05-13 Thread Richard Gaskin

-hh wrote:

> I can't forget this community-trivializing pie chart
> "The Story of community"(see webinar at 6:37), based on
> pull requests: 2% community, 98% LiveCode (ignoring
> the fact that many pull requests of the LC-team are
> essentially based on time-consuming community LC QC
> reports).

Pull requests are a seductive focus for measuring community engagement 
because the stats are automatically provided by Github.

But I agree that it's a mistake for any project to measure by that 
single index, as so many do.

In addition to bug reporting and triage, there are also many other 
categories where the community plays a strong supporting role for the 
project.

A few days ago I listed some of the outstanding work being done by so 
many educators in our community to introduce LiveCode to teachers and 
students around the world, and in areas like community technical support 
we see Bernd and Klaus and yourself making very significant 
contributions throughout the forums to help newcomers feel more 
empowered as they learn LiveCode.

One of the reasons I advocated using the livecode.org domain exclusively 
for the Community Edition is so that we can do a better job of providing 
acknowledgment for the full scope of community contributions.

If you have any thoughts on how we might track those better I would be 
keen to hear them.  Unlike pull requests, which are tallied 
automatically for us, other forms of community contributions are more 
difficult to track, often relying on subjective assessment (and without 
sufficient coffee too easy to forget something important).

Any ideas you or others here have for better assessing and acknowledging 
community contributions would be very welcome.

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 LiveCode Community Liaison
 rich...@livecode.org

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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

2016-05-13 Thread Richard Gaskin

Robert Mann wrote:

> As the situation stands, livecode drives the whole lot. So community
> money contributors just support "blindly" livecode without any form
> of representation. I wonder how long that can go on just like that.

Part of the role of a Community Manager is as a sort of ombudsman, an 
advocate for community interests in discussions with the core dev team. 
 Ask Peter or Kevin and they'll tell you that much of our regular 
meetings involve my advocacy for community interests.

One of the challenges is determining exactly what those community 
interests are.  This thread is a good example:  first there was a 
request for SFTP, the SMTP, then audio recording, and others.

To help turn myriad list posts into actionable information, LiveCode 
conducts several surveys of the user base each year.  But of course 
surveys are very limited in more ways than are worth listing here, so 
data collected there is augmented with many discussions both internal 
and with your Community advocate to help sort them out into priorities.

As with any software project, priorities are best served by attempting 
to gauge return on investment.  For example, if we have a hundreds posts 
for a feature but those posts are from a single user, even a feature 
less frequently discussed may take priority if it's determined to 
benefit a larger number of users.

Those priorities are also weighed against cost of delivery.  While we do 
occasionally see requests specific to one platform, most requests cover 
multiple platforms.  As we can see from the very small number of 
high-level scripting languages that offer integrated GUI support across 
seven platforms, this is evidently not a trivial task; few projects even 
attempt it at all.

Most of the Kickstarter goals have been delivered, the rest actively in 
development, and the Feature Exchange items have been in direct response 
to user requests.  In each case, participation in the fundraiser has 
always been completely optional for us - if we see something we like we 
can fund it, and even if we don't the Community Edition has and will 
continue to benefit from those, and everyone, contributor or not, has 
free and open access to it.

If there's a specific feature you had in mind, let's talk about it.  If 
a positive ROI for it can be determined it'll likely get done.

Many larger projects enjoy something we don't yet have:  outside 
companies paying full-time salaries for developers contributing to the 
software.  For example, Google and others pay several staffers to 
contribute to Python, and a friend at Heroku told me last night that he 
has a couple excellent engineers whose full-time job is submit pull 
requests for postgreSQL.

As the LiveCode projects grows we're seeing a bit of that, even if at a 
smaller scale than full-time staffers.  For example, David Simpson of 
.Com Solutions needed some specific clipboard enhancements, so he 
contacted the team, got a quote he found reasonable, and covered the 
development cost.  Those enhancements are now in all LiveCode editions, 
including the Community Edition (thank you David!).

What we all want to avoid is being another TideSDK.  That was an open 
source project where Appcellerator spun out their desktop platforms so 
they could focus their considerable investment on just two (iOS and 
Android).  The desktop project deployed to Mac, Windows, and Linux, and 
was released under permissive license so it was fully dependent on 
donations alone.  A couple years ago one of their blog posts noted that 
they'd received less than $600 in donations for the entirety of that 
year.  The project has since died for lack of funding.

The mix of development options LiveCode has offered to date represent 
their best effort at measuring community interest balanced with ROI.

But like any process, there's always room for refinement.

So like I said, if there's a specific feature you want let's discuss it 
and see how we can put together the resources to make it happen.

--
 Richard Gaskin
 LiveCode Community Liaison
 rich...@livecode.org

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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

2016-05-13 Thread James Little


Count me in also.  I’m particularly keen on Stretch Goals 1 & 3, Sqlite Library 
& Field Widget

Jim Little



On May 13, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Earthednet-wp  wrote:

> I'm in too. I am retired and give my educational software away for free. But 
> the responsiveness of the LC team, the generosity of the users with help, and 
> the actuality and future vision of the platform is so promising that I want 
> to contribute.
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
> 
>> On May 13, 2016, at 9:12 AM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm in. I ain't rich but I can do what I can. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
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Re: Using Widgets for Dummies Tutorial


On 12/05/2016 03:30, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:


Where is the “using widgets guide for dummies?”


At the moment we are updating the App Building Course to include 
widgets, and there is a blog post about using the header widget coming 
out soon (probably in the next week or so).


   Peter

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Re: HTML5 LC Download Icon?


On 07/05/2016 02:09, Rick Harrison wrote:

I’ve been playing around with HTML5
in the Community Version of LC 8.

Although I think the small green LC App Download
button is an interesting idea, I might want my users
to only use the app online. I might not want them
downloading it into their computer.


They are already downloading it onto their computer in order to run it. 
You are distributing your app (and LiveCode!) to them, which means that 
under the terms of the GPLv3 you must provide them with the complete 
corresponding source code in the preferred form for modification.


The convenient button helps you comply with the license.


How do I disable that LC button which is
part of the frame on the right side, or
make it disappear altogether?


Use LiveCode Indy or Commercial, or compile a version of the Open Source 
LiveCode HTML5 engine that doesn't include that piece of code.



It also appears there is no way to
store information in a permanent
way in flat files or to a database,
unless I’m missing something here.


At the moment there's no persistence implemented, sorry. :-(

   Peter

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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

2016-05-13 Thread Earthednet-wp

I'm in too. I am retired and give my educational software away for free. But 
the responsiveness of the LC team, the generosity of the users with help, and 
the actuality and future vision of the platform is so promising that I want to 
contribute.
Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On May 13, 2016, at 9:12 AM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
> I'm in. I ain't rich but I can do what I can. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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Re: Raising Money

Well then, you must be completely confounded with American Politics! ;-)

Bob S


> On May 12, 2016, at 23:11 , RM  wrote:
> 
> I really wonder about asking people for donations
> when one hasn't fulfilled all the promises one made
> last time people gave you money.
> 
> R.

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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

I'm in. I ain't rich but I can do what I can. 

Bob S



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Re: inconsistencies in treatment of empty properties

2016-05-13 Thread dunbarx

Hi.


I tried a few variations of these in 6.9. Never needed an explicit "is true". 
No errors or failures.


Craig Newman



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Sent: Wed, May 11, 2016 1:14 pm
Subject: inconsistencies in treatment of empty properties

It's taken a while to figure out what was bugging me on this.

As near as I can tell, there is an inconsistency in how unset custom
properties get treated.

I don't have this nailed down yet, but I have had expressions like

"if the ckAlwNul of the target then"


cause handlers to bomb out without throwing an error.  I fixed one of these
this morning by adding an "is true".

And then, about ten lines down, identical code worked just fine, with the
if stepping to else.


It seems to me that referencing an unset property should consistently
either throw an error, or return empty as the result.
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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Now having a first dot-dot-release of 8, we don't look
back to unfinished work, because "we are post 8" (Kevin).
And post 8.0.0 starts infinity?

Let's look back a few days.
I can't forget this community-trivializing pie chart
"The Story of community"(see webinar at 6:37), based on
pull requests: 2% community, 98% LiveCode (ignoring
the fact that many pull requests of the LC-team are
essentially based on time-consuming community LC QC
reports).

The two cents of the community?
So, if everybody of the community contributes 2% of
his worktime (1 hour a week) to The Big LC Project,
then we are done.
The 2% (if not two cents) contributions of my worktime
to The Big LC Project are already done for years.

Stop it now? No, I do finish my work. What's not
finished doesn't count to being "post ".
But after finishing these few projects I'll stop.
I'll wait and watch was LC does on his 98% part.

I asked that at the webinar: "What's the state of
the foreign module?" (No answer, there were too much
questions).

After that I was trying for a whole day to get the
state of FFI, looking for anything that works on
*ALL* platforms, a simple 'Hello world'. No success.

Of course I pledged, as always. For a "new"(?)
feature especially: FFI.

Searched again for the state of FFI: Seen apart from
excellent fragments (excellent, but fragments) from
Peter-B's private blog: Nothing found.

I'll finish my current community projects.
Then I'll wait and watch was LC does on his 98% part.

Hermann

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Re: How to Force Group to Show on Top of Browser Widget

2016-05-13 Thread James Little


As a workaround, can you toggle the browser widget to hide / show?

on MouseUp

if the flag of me then
   show widget “myBrowser”
   set the flag of me to not the flag of me
else
   hide widget “myBrowser”
   set the flag of me to not the flag of me
end if

end MouseUp


On May 13, 2016, at 1:31 AM, Kevin Miller  wrote:

> The workaround for the moment is to use a borderless window that floats on
> top with a handler to keep it in place if you resize the underlying stack.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 13/05/2016, 09:26, "use-livecode on behalf of Peter TB Brett"
>  peter.br...@livecode.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 13/05/2016 04:14, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:
>>> Our new app design will show video in the browser widget, streamed from
>>> YouTube.
>>> 
>>> Because we need to use the entire card (almost) to maximize the videoŠ
>>> the browser widget is set 16 X 9 but inset from top and sides  to 686w X
>>> 385 tallŠ bottom is 414 (flush to the bottom of the card)
>>> 
>>> The browser widget is set to layer 1, the lowest/farthest back "bottom"
>>> layer
>>> 
>>> So, we have to hide the bottom tool bar from the user to show the video.
>>> 
>>> The Nav bar is set to the top layer of the card
>>> 
>>> So we do this on open card:
>>> 
>>> on preopencard
>>>   setOrientation
>>>   hide grp "homeScreensBottomNav"
>>> end preopencard
>>> 
>>> by the side of the video, the 25px open space I have the 3 Vertical Dot
>>> icon which has this script.
>>> 
>>> on mouseUp
>>> show group "homeScreensBottomNav"
>>> end mouseUp
>>> 
>>> But if the video is activeŠ  the group will appear. Its as if the
>>> browser widget commands all the pixels of it's rect, regardless of what
>>> other object may have a higher layerŠ
>>> 
>>> Any solutions?
>> 
>> There aren't any solutions yet.  This is due to the way the browser
>> widget works.  All LiveCode controls are drawn in a single "native"
>> (i.e. operating system) layer, and the browser view is drawn in an
>> additional "native" layer.  In order to layer the browser behind
>> LiveCode controls, it would be necessary to teach the engine to split
>> the LiveCode controls between as many "native" layers as necessary.
>> 
>> This would be a lot of work, and drawing LiveCode controls on top of
>> browser widgets isn't something that many people seem to be able to need
>> to do, so it hasn't been done yet.
>> 
>> You may want to monitor bug 17614, which tracks this very problem.
>> 
>>  Peter
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How do I add my own icons to the new Header Bar Widget?

2016-05-13 Thread William de Smet

Hi there,

I just started 'testing' the new LC 8 and I like the new widgets.
But how do I add my own icons to it?


greetings,

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[ANN] Release 8.0.1 RC-1

2016-05-13 Thread panagiotis merakos

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0.1 RC-1.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 8.0.1 RC-1 contains more than 30 bug fixes since the LiveCode
8.0.0 STABLE release. Moreover, this release contains many dictionary
updates contributed by Devin Asay, and Mark Smith. Thank you!

The full release notes are available from:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_1/LiveCodeNotes-8_0_1_rc_1.pdf


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our Bugzilla at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93


Have fun!

The LiveCode Team
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recording sound problem with new mac pro

2016-05-13 Thread BRAMI serge

Well hello everybody 
I need help 
I use LC for my professional use 
I have the following problem

from 
LC 6.7 … the recording sound doesnt work on my MAC pro ( the new one)  and only 
on this mac 
LC 7 and 8 recording sound  it is the same thing

on my others computers  IMAC and mac book air recording works fine  this with 
exactly the same stack (which is shared by dropbox)

quicktime player recording works well on each computer 

dontuseQT  is set to false


the recording input for the mac pro  is set to the APPLE THUNDERBOLT  DISPLAY 
mic   in the system preferences

the recording input in the script is st to "dfilt «   but i have tried with 
other options (imic emic …) and it doesnt work


it is a big problem for me , It prevent me to upgrade to the newest version of 
LC

any idea ??

best regards 



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Re: Recording internal sound (Mac) - possible?

2016-05-13 Thread Terry Judd

Hi Peter - ok, I¹ll add my stuff to that bug report.

Best regards,

Terry

On 13/05/2016 6:29 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Peter TB Brett"
 wrote:

>On 13/05/2016 00:40, Terry Judd wrote:
>> In LC 6.6.5 that is - broken in 7 and 8 unfortunately.
>
>Hi Terry,
>
>I wonder if that is related to bug 16669.  Do you have a good recipe for
>reproducing your problem?  We have not found one and we have been
>waiting for a couple of months for a response from the user who reported
>bug 16669, so your input may be very helpful in tracking down the problem.
>
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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

2016-05-13 Thread Roland Huettmann

Well, yes, but then it could have been announced three months ago?))) Never
mind... The task is great. Thumbs up!
On May 13, 2016 09:24, "Alex Tweedly"  wrote:

> I agree it is a rather short time frame - but 3 months would be far too
> long.
>
> This project hopes to complete "this summer" - so my guess would be end of
> August or September - therefore only 4-1/2 months away; they can't wait 3
> months to see if the funding is available.
>
> -- Alex.
>
> On 13/05/2016 10:10, Roland Huettmann wrote:
>
>> I pledged, but the dates given are by far too short - May 23 is just
>> around
>> the corner. I could pledge more given more time, but currently away on a
>> trip. I think 3 months pledge time should be normal.
>>
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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

2016-05-13 Thread Matt Maier

In terms of what we should expect, does this push indicate a "breadth
first" rather than "depth first" strategy? As in, will Livecode's reach
continue to expand as quickly as possible while it's perfection is of
secondary concern? More specifically, will we be getting 80% functionality
in more places rather than 100% functionality in one place?

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Alex Tweedly  wrote:

> I agree it is a rather short time frame - but 3 months would be far too
> long.
>
> This project hopes to complete "this summer" - so my guess would be end of
> August or September - therefore only 4-1/2 months away; they can't wait 3
> months to see if the funding is available.
>
> -- Alex.
>
>
> On 13/05/2016 10:10, Roland Huettmann wrote:
>
>> I pledged, but the dates given are by far too short - May 23 is just
>> around
>> the corner. I could pledge more given more time, but currently away on a
>> trip. I think 3 months pledge time should be normal.
>>
>> Roland
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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

2016-05-13 Thread Alex Tweedly

I agree it is a rather short time frame - but 3 months would be far too 
long.


This project hopes to complete "this summer" - so my guess would be end 
of August or September - therefore only 4-1/2 months away; they can't 
wait 3 months to see if the funding is available.


-- Alex.

On 13/05/2016 10:10, Roland Huettmann wrote:

I pledged, but the dates given are by far too short - May 23 is just around
the corner. I could pledge more given more time, but currently away on a
trip. I think 3 months pledge time should be normal.

Roland
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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Thanks very much for your support Roland.

I¹m sorry if the campaign timing doesn¹t line up well for you. We¹ve tried
various campaign lengths and longer doesn¹t materially improve the outcome
overall. If it was a massive campaign we might consider 30 days but its
not so large that there is a benefit to doing that. Now we are post 8 we
need to plan with certainty what our path is as quickly as possible. And
bear in mind that if this campaign funds this feature will be with you in
around 3 months, rather than coming to the end of a campaign then!

Kind regards,

Kevin

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On 13/05/2016, 10:10, "use-livecode on behalf of Roland Huettmann"
 wrote:

>I pledged, but the dates given are by far too short - May 23 is just
>around
>the corner. I could pledge more given more time, but currently away on a
>trip. I think 3 months pledge time should be normal.
>
>Roland
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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

2016-05-13 Thread Roland Huettmann

I pledged, but the dates given are by far too short - May 23 is just around
the corner. I could pledge more given more time, but currently away on a
trip. I think 3 months pledge time should be normal.

Roland
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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

2016-05-13 Thread Heather Laine

Dear Robert,

You make a good point about community involvement. This campaign is all about 
encouraging much more of it. We want to enable a far wider community of 
LiveCoders to contribute to the feature set of LiveCode. Our little team cannot 
do it all. 

We have recently set up livecode.org, and we already have a Community Manager 
in Richard Gaskin, whom we talk regularly with. He is entirely independent from 
LiveCode Ltd. This is a route we will be looking to expand in the future, 
ultimately its possible there will be some kind of Open Source Advisory body 
outside of LiveCode Ltd. We would love to see more in the way of actual hands 
on involvement from the community to allow a wide enough pool of contributors 
that could be selected from for such a body. 

This is something of a chicken and egg situation. To have a strong vibrant Open 
Source community making regular contributions to the source, we need to give 
you the tools to easily contribute. Infinite LiveCode is all about doing 
exactly that. 

So, I would suggest, the logical conclusion is, if you want to see a strong 
Open Source community with real clout, lets get this campaign funded!

Warm Regards,

Heather

> On 12 May 2016, at 22:40, Robert Mann  wrote:
> 
> Same thought from France! and approximatively same wait period of more than
> 10 years for audio recording at 44100 kHz compressed audio. 
> 
> Now I suspect one point of view would be be :: "well that is precisely what
> we want to clear.. by allowing faster wrapping of existing utilities.. we
> need the infinitum to complete the audio functions!! "
> 
> Now, i was not aware that the 2013 kickstart only brought 30% of the cost
> needed to get livecode 8 through. I thought it would be more 50%.
> 
> And I earlier said I would be happy to participate regularly to the
> development.. but.. but.. for a more reasonable priced indy "hobbits"
> version, and I wrote ok if that cost 150 bucks every now and then.
> 
> it is arguable that I could then decide to pour through 75$ more into the
> community version instead. (and so on...) But then frankly, I feel the need
> for some kind of community guidance body to accompany mothership.
> 
> As the situation stands, livecode drives the whole lot. So community money
> contributors just support "blindly" livecode without any form of
> representation. I wonder how long that can go on just like that. 
> 
> That is by no means a message of distrust vis a vis CEO, I have great
> respect for what they're up to. I just wonder how viable that form of
> "trust" organization is viable. And frankly i'd be curious to learn about
> how other communities get organized in such a situation.
> 
> As Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami points out, there will always be some tensions
> between the two versions. And the resulting balance of functions might never
> seen as right so long as decisions are solely taken by one party
> exclusively.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

2016-05-13 Thread Matt Maier

I just pledged. Both sides of the conversation make sense, and obviously I
ended up on the "pledge" side of it. Getting the widgets and LCB working to
"wrap" several more popular languages will dramatically increase the
utility of everything we already know how to do in Livecode. That's the
main value proposition for me. I only have to learn one (one and a half
now?) language and I can make things happen on all the major operating
systems, the server, soon in browsers. Being able to grab existing code
from, and collaborate with, everyone who doesn't know Livecode will be
fantastic.

Also, I'm approaching the pledge from the perspective of starting my own
company. The way Livecode is going about it is more or less the same way
I'd prefer to go about it. I'd prefer to have a direct relationship where I
solve someone's problem and they pay me for it, willingly, because I'm
actually solving their problem. I also would prefer to tackle big, hairy,
audacious goals. I also expect that I'll be better at working in the
laboratory than doing marketing. Basically, all the stuff Livecode is
doing. They're tackling a big problem, which is addressing a major pain
point for me, so I'm happy to support them.

Big projects always end up taking longer and costing more than hoped. I
don't want them to run out of money before they finish grinding through it.

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Dave Kilroy 
wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I agree with Sannyasin about positivity and this being a thread about
> supporting the development of LiveCode
>
> I also am 'all in' and have just pledged at
> https://livecode.com/project/infinite-livecode/
>
> My regards to all who have pledged or who intend to pledge, no matter how
> little or how much - and I'll see you on the sunny side of the street some
> day!
>
> Kind regards
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote
> > On 5/12/16, 2:03 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola" 
>
> > use-livecode-bounces@.runrev
>
> >  on behalf of
>
> > rdimola@
>
> >  wrote:
> >
> >>The LC upside WAY outweighs the downside. I'm all in!
> >>At least that's how I feel.
> >
> > I want to apologize for hi-jacking Heather's thread. If I had complaints
> > about SFTP I should have written to Kevin directly. If it means we all
> are
> > now "piling on" to say how much we love this tool. I will also switch my
> > tone herewith and into the future.
> >
> > Certainly an open language.. if achieved will allow for a great many new
> > extensions at prices we can all afford. I am also "all in" with it comes
> > to Livecode and continue to be a strong advocate. My post did not reflect
> > that at all. I have dabbled with PHP, Javascript and really don't want to
> > bother going with another language.
> >
> > Please resume the intended discussion:
> >
> > Heather wrote:
> >
> > "Please go and read this blog post from Kevin, it contains important
> > information I'm sure will interest you!
> >
> > https://livecode.com/infinite-livecode-a-letter-from-our-ceo/
> >
> > All the best form Hawaii
> >
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Re: How to Force Group to Show on Top of Browser Widget

The workaround for the moment is to use a borderless window that floats on
top with a handler to keep it in place if you resize the underlying stack.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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On 13/05/2016, 09:26, "use-livecode on behalf of Peter TB Brett"
 wrote:

>On 13/05/2016 04:14, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:
>> Our new app design will show video in the browser widget, streamed from
>>YouTube.
>>
>> Because we need to use the entire card (almost) to maximize the video
>>the browser widget is set 16 X 9 but inset from top and sides  to 686w X
>>385 tall bottom is 414 (flush to the bottom of the card)
>>
>> The browser widget is set to layer 1, the lowest/farthest back "bottom"
>>layer
>>
>> So, we have to hide the bottom tool bar from the user to show the video.
>>
>> The Nav bar is set to the top layer of the card
>>
>> So we do this on open card:
>>
>> on preopencard
>>setOrientation
>>hide grp "homeScreensBottomNav"
>> end preopencard
>>
>> by the side of the video, the 25px open space I have the 3 Vertical Dot
>>icon which has this script.
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>  show group "homeScreensBottomNav"
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> But if the video is active  the group will appear. Its as if the
>>browser widget commands all the pixels of it's rect, regardless of what
>>other object may have a higher layer
>>
>> Any solutions?
>
>There aren't any solutions yet.  This is due to the way the browser
>widget works.  All LiveCode controls are drawn in a single "native"
>(i.e. operating system) layer, and the browser view is drawn in an
>additional "native" layer.  In order to layer the browser behind
>LiveCode controls, it would be necessary to teach the engine to split
>the LiveCode controls between as many "native" layers as necessary.
>
>This would be a lot of work, and drawing LiveCode controls on top of
>browser widgets isn't something that many people seem to be able to need
>to do, so it hasn't been done yet.
>
>You may want to monitor bug 17614, which tracks this very problem.
>
>   Peter
>
>-- 
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>
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Re: Recording internal sound (Mac) - possible?


On 13/05/2016 00:40, Terry Judd wrote:

In LC 6.6.5 that is - broken in 7 and 8 unfortunately.


Hi Terry,

I wonder if that is related to bug 16669.  Do you have a good recipe for 
reproducing your problem?  We have not found one and we have been 
waiting for a couple of months for a response from the user who reported 
bug 16669, so your input may be very helpful in tracking down the problem.


Peter

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Re: How to Force Group to Show on Top of Browser Widget


On 13/05/2016 04:14, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:

Our new app design will show video in the browser widget, streamed from YouTube.

Because we need to use the entire card (almost) to maximize the video… the 
browser widget is set 16 X 9 but inset from top and sides  to 686w X 385 tall… 
bottom is 414 (flush to the bottom of the card)

The browser widget is set to layer 1, the lowest/farthest back "bottom" layer

So, we have to hide the bottom tool bar from the user to show the video.

The Nav bar is set to the top layer of the card

So we do this on open card:

on preopencard
   setOrientation
   hide grp "homeScreensBottomNav"
end preopencard

by the side of the video, the 25px open space I have the 3 Vertical Dot icon 
which has this script.

on mouseUp
 show group "homeScreensBottomNav"
end mouseUp

But if the video is active…  the group will appear. Its as if the browser 
widget commands all the pixels of it's rect, regardless of what other object 
may have a higher layer…

Any solutions?


There aren't any solutions yet.  This is due to the way the browser 
widget works.  All LiveCode controls are drawn in a single "native" 
(i.e. operating system) layer, and the browser view is drawn in an 
additional "native" layer.  In order to layer the browser behind 
LiveCode controls, it would be necessary to teach the engine to split 
the LiveCode controls between as many "native" layers as necessary.


This would be a lot of work, and drawing LiveCode controls on top of 
browser widgets isn't something that many people seem to be able to need 
to do, so it hasn't been done yet.


You may want to monitor bug 17614, which tracks this very problem.

  Peter

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Re: [ANN] New IRC channel for LiveCode Open Source users & contributors




On 12/05/2016 23:11, Dave Kilroy wrote:

Hi Mike - I must be doing something wrong then - I've logged in about ten
times over the last week or so (am logged in now) and never found any
activity or got any responses... :(


I'm always in the channel in office hours and will react if poked. ;-)

   Peter

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Re: Help with Header Widget