Re: Why does this not work ?

[Alex Tweedly via use-livecode]

Because the point was to demonstrate different script lines, some of 
which work and one of which doesn't - but which to my simple mind should 
have all worked.

(and a couple of kind people explained why that one was different :-)

It was not a "real" fragment of code - in that case I would indeed have 
simply set the vis of tName.


Thanks

Alex.

On 17/06/2019 16:46, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Why aren't you setting the vis of tName?

Bob S



On Jun 10, 2019, at 17:44 , Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
 wrote:

OK, this code produces an error - but I can't see why (and I worry about that 
:-)

I have a field inside a group inside a group ,

and the following code :


on mouseup
local tName, t1, t2
put the long name of fld "F" into tName
put tName & ",12,13" into t1
put "t1" && t1 &CR after msg

put item 1 of t1 into t2
set the vis of t2 to TRUE
put "t2 was OK" &CR after msg

set the vis of (item 1 of t1) to TRUE
put "using parens OK" &CR after msg

set the vis of item 1 of t1 to TRUE   -- this line fails !!
put "here" &CR after msg

end mouseup

that line fails, with the error message


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Using community to update text of a project distributed with Indy license?

[Curt Ford via use-livecode]

A client needs to make minor updates to the text in a number of modules 
I've created over several years. To eliminate the back-and-forth of 
corrections and proofs, he's asked about making the changes himself in 
LiveCode. (He's never used LiveCode and doesn't have a copy.)


The question has arisen whether this would be possible if he downloads 
the free community version of LiveCode, opens the files I've created 
with my licensed copy of LiveCode, updates the texts, then sends me the 
files to package them up.


Another option was for the client to use the community version to create 
the text in text fields in a 'dummy' stack, from which I'd copy the 
updated text into the existing modules of my copy with the Indy license.


I've looked at the FAQ at

https://livecode.com/docs/9-0-4/faq/faq/#what-are-the-system-requirements-for-livecode

but I'm not quite clear on whether this would be allowed under the terms 
of the license or not.


Even if it's not, I'm not sure they'll want to get into this once they 
see what's involved, but I told them I'd look into it.


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Re: Samsung app store -->categories samsung api

[JJS via use-livecode]

Thank you Matthias.

I guess i did not read it/ or not carefully enough.

, because there is the option to use InApp purchasing in the Android 
settings in LC, i thought it would be kinda easy to get a simple app up 
there.


So i need to contact Samsung or we need to know how and which Samsung 
Api to use(probably via LCB of which i only did some basic lessons and 
then it stopped for me)



Thanks!


Jerry

Op 17-6-2019 om 22:39 schreef Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode:

I meant to say

I am not sure if this is still the case, but according to a forum entry.



Am 17.06.2019 um 22:38 schrieb Matthias Rebbe 
:

I am not sure if this is still the case, but without a

according to a forum entry at
https://developer.samsung.com/forum/thread/possible-to-upload-apps-that-are-not-galaxy-specials/201/285413?boardName=SDK&startId=z~

without a separate contract or partnership you are not able to upload your App 
if your App is not using Samsung SDK.

"Any APK which does not use Samsung SDK cannot be uploaded for App registration.
Sellers who have a separate contract or partnership with Samsung can submit 
applications without using Samsung SDK. If you have any question on the contract or 
partnership, please contact our Customer Support team 
(https://help.content.samsung.com/csseller/)."

Regards,

Matthias



Am 17.06.2019 um 22:29 schrieb JJS via use-livecode 
:

Hi,


anyone ever putted an Android App on the Samsung app store?

If yes, how did you get past the Categories that you have to choose on the 
binary page/tab?

Choosing an category involves using a Samsung api, which we don't have.

And without it you can't choose the correct category. And thus you can't submit 
an app.


I'm curious.


Thanks.

Jerry


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Re: dragData["private"] is not Unicode aware

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

I had a similar problem with the merge command. Try using urlEncode to 
store the text and urlDecode to retrieve it.


Both our issues should probably be reported as bugs, but I haven't had 
time. Feel free. :)


On 6/17/19 3:09 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:

Folks (those who may have an interest at least):

I just filed a bug: https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22192

Essentially, I discovered in LC905rc1 that:

For years you could do:

set the dragData["private"] to "Some English Text"

and then put the dragData{"private"] and get "Some English Text"

In trying to may our apps more internationally aware (i.e. supporting 
Unicode), we just tried:


set the dragData["private"] to "一些中文文本"

and then put the dragData["private"] and we got "??"

And, before someone says "Use "text" vs "private", we use "private" 
since, in our app, other data beside some text is added and that data is 
private to our application (i.e. it should not be draggable outside our 
app). My understanding is the using "text" would allow the data to be 
draggable to other apps that allow dropped text.


Does this ("Private" NOT Unicode aware) seem like a Feature or a Bug?
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Re: math on widths doesn't add up

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Heh! That reminds me, I knew a British professor once who used the illustration 
that a two dimensional being, confronted with a line would perceive it as 
impassible. He then went on to explain how it might be that a 3 dimensional 
being, when needing to see into the future might perceive it as impossible, 
whereas to a 4th dimensional being, that is not bound by time, would not. 

Bob S


> On Jun 17, 2019, at 13:24 , Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sure. I do it all the time and everybody knows how 1D I am.
> 
> Some random thoughts:
> 
> A Turing machine might be considered 1D. It can draw x,y. 
> 
> This past month, I was working in very high dimensions. I was not able to 
> visualize that very well and used dimension reduction techniques such as PCA, 
> UMAP and t-SNE to help. I would guess the 1D being might have to do something 
> similar for "visualization". Maybe.
> 
> Lewis and Clark went on a path or route, 1D, and took measurements that 
> allowed them to create a 2D map. That is, the space of the 1D path was 
> assumed to bend in a 2D space.
> 
> The floor of my lab looks 2D to me, but I have latitude and longitude marked 
> for the center. That labelling assumes a curving into 3D.


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Re: Samsung app store -->categories samsung api

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

I meant to say 

I am not sure if this is still the case, but according to a forum entry.


> Am 17.06.2019 um 22:38 schrieb Matthias Rebbe 
> :
> 
> I am not sure if this is still the case, but without a 
> 
> according to a forum entry at
> https://developer.samsung.com/forum/thread/possible-to-upload-apps-that-are-not-galaxy-specials/201/285413?boardName=SDK&startId=z~
> 
> without a separate contract or partnership you are not able to upload your 
> App if your App is not using Samsung SDK.
> 
> "Any APK which does not use Samsung SDK cannot be uploaded for App 
> registration.
> Sellers who have a separate contract or partnership with Samsung can submit 
> applications without using Samsung SDK. If you have any question on the 
> contract or partnership, please contact our Customer Support team 
> (https://help.content.samsung.com/csseller/)."
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 17.06.2019 um 22:29 schrieb JJS via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> anyone ever putted an Android App on the Samsung app store?
>> 
>> If yes, how did you get past the Categories that you have to choose on the 
>> binary page/tab?
>> 
>> Choosing an category involves using a Samsung api, which we don't have.
>> 
>> And without it you can't choose the correct category. And thus you can't 
>> submit an app.
>> 
>> 
>> I'm curious.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Jerry
>> 
>> 
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Re: Samsung app store -->categories samsung api

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

I am not sure if this is still the case, but without a 

according to a forum entry at
https://developer.samsung.com/forum/thread/possible-to-upload-apps-that-are-not-galaxy-specials/201/285413?boardName=SDK&startId=z~

without a separate contract or partnership you are not able to upload your App 
if your App is not using Samsung SDK.

"Any APK which does not use Samsung SDK cannot be uploaded for App registration.
Sellers who have a separate contract or partnership with Samsung can submit 
applications without using Samsung SDK. If you have any question on the 
contract or partnership, please contact our Customer Support team 
(https://help.content.samsung.com/csseller/)."

Regards,

Matthias


> Am 17.06.2019 um 22:29 schrieb JJS via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> anyone ever putted an Android App on the Samsung app store?
> 
> If yes, how did you get past the Categories that you have to choose on the 
> binary page/tab?
> 
> Choosing an category involves using a Samsung api, which we don't have.
> 
> And without it you can't choose the correct category. And thus you can't 
> submit an app.
> 
> 
> I'm curious.
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
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Samsung app store -->categories samsung api

[JJS via use-livecode]

Hi,


anyone ever putted an Android App on the Samsung app store?

If yes, how did you get past the Categories that you have to choose on 
the binary page/tab?


Choosing an category involves using a Samsung api, which we don't have.

And without it you can't choose the correct category. And thus you can't 
submit an app.



I'm curious.


Thanks.

Jerry


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Re: math on widths doesn't add up

[Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode]

Sure. I do it all the time and everybody knows how 1D I am.

Some random thoughts:

A Turing machine might be considered 1D. It can draw x,y. 

This past month, I was working in very high dimensions. I was not able to 
visualize that very well and used dimension reduction techniques such as PCA, 
UMAP and t-SNE to help. I would guess the 1D being might have to do something 
similar for "visualization". Maybe.

Lewis and Clark went on a path or route, 1D, and took measurements that allowed 
them to create a 2D map. That is, the space of the 1D path was assumed to bend 
in a 2D space.

The floor of my lab looks 2D to me, but I have latitude and longitude marked 
for the center. That labelling assumes a curving into 3D. 


> On Jun 17, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hmmm... I wonder if theoretically a one dimensional being could draw x,y. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2019, at 14:54 , hh via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> @Dar.
>> 
>> Probably you wish with your post avoid the confusion between
>> 
>> = a math-point (x,y) which has no dimension, so cannot be drawn and
> 
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dragData["private"] is not Unicode aware

[Paul Dupuis via use-livecode]

Folks (those who may have an interest at least):

I just filed a bug: https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22192

Essentially, I discovered in LC905rc1 that:

For years you could do:

set the dragData["private"] to "Some English Text"

and then put the dragData{"private"] and get "Some English Text"

In trying to may our apps more internationally aware (i.e. supporting 
Unicode), we just tried:


set the dragData["private"] to "一些中文文本"

and then put the dragData["private"] and we got "??"

And, before someone says "Use "text" vs "private", we use "private" 
since, in our app, other data beside some text is added and that data is 
private to our application (i.e. it should not be draggable outside our 
app). My understanding is the using "text" would allow the data to be 
draggable to other apps that allow dropped text.


Does this ("Private" NOT Unicode aware) seem like a Feature or a Bug?
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Re: Is there a way to use custom icons in the navbar widget?

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

For sharing, I would suggest (possibly in addition to sample stacks) that 
people set up a GitHub repo.  Even though you can’t easily see changes in 
binary stacks, commit notes can explain the changes.  Be sure to use the 
livecode tag to make projects easily found there.

If you want to expose the scripts, use ScriptTracker to export them before each 
commit.  Then those following the project can see how the scripts evolved.  
This does not require conversion of the project to use script only stacks even 
though the exported scripts are formatted with that possible use in mind.  If 
we can get enough repos out there we may even be able to get LiveCode script 
added as a language.

Brian
On Jun 17, 2019, 12:03 PM -0400, hh via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> > I wrote:
> > It is a "HTML5 Native Button", similar to the platform related 
> > "androidbutton"
> > or "iosbutton" widgets. Here is the source code
> > https://github.com/livecode/livecode/tree/develop/extensions/widgets
> >
> > This is good to know for people who give advices relating LC to Webdesign,
> > HTML, CSS, JavaScript ...
>
> Let me explain my last statement a bit. It is mainly meant to note
> = how much work the creation of a single native HTML5 control requires,
> = how far away doing webdesign with LC is away from the current state.
>
> TMHO, there is simply no way for LC to concur with the big companies with 
> that.
> This is not doable with a few people only.
>
> Concurring within the always changing main stream will, presumably, never 
> make LC
> grow. Specializing instead on elsewhere unavailable features, as is currently
> done with LCFM for Android, sounds more promising.
> The other developing "branches" of LC can profit from that.
>
> Though some features that Roland requests in his last post may become 
> available
> with the already announced CSS widget.
>
> And if more people who can afford it share their fancy controls, no matter how
> these are derived, then we will get a big base for starters.
>
> LivecodeShare ("Sample stacks" from the toolbar or 
> http://livecodeshare.runrev.com)
> is good for that. "Sample stacks" is very easy to use and downloads are fast.
>
> Yes, you can only upload stacks ... But as we all know, stacks can contain a 
> lot of
> things for sharing. Especially zips, sample groups or simply sample scripts.
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Re: Box2D

[Lagi Pittas via use-livecode]

HI Bob,

The problem here is that they keep adding stuff that they think we want now
- yes the 64bit is needed  they have to keep
up-to-date with the compile time options etc.

The problem is they put all resources into LCFM and forgot everything else.
Now yes we are promised Jam tomorrow and I hope
it turns out a fruity conserve but there is NO excuse for the new Sqlite
framework not getting done at all. I won't even mention the HTML
which is charged as the same as Indy and is still not ready for  prime time
(if I read between the lines of Hermann's posts).

Box2D was in testing over a year ago with Squirrel (nothing heard since).

They still have it wrong on the licensing. There should be seperate Android
and IOS only versions that DO NOT run out because as sure as eggs is eggs
every 18 Months
a new version of the Api/Compile time options/Plist/Libraries will change
and then the user  will need updates.

Now if like Xojo if they keep renewing active then they get a discount
automatically this is the way Xojo does it and B4X and Jetbrains to name a
few.
I don't expect anyone to even acknowledge what I am saying because people
necer want to admit that they are wrong until the shit hits the fan - but
I'm saying it anyway.

I want LC to thrive like the next man (or Woman or Binary or "Custom" - yes
Google allows Custom in their gmail signups now) but they seem to be trying
all things to get more money in except the bloody simplest way.

It would be of no use to me because I use the Windows and mac compilation
ontop of Android and IOS so it isn't me trying to save money .. oh
what's the ~=/?@$£ point

I have  wasted my time arguing for the same thing for 5 years - 5 weeks to
see if the LCFM will really make LC better. I would like to be proved wrong
in a major way.

Lagi



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use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Now Software, a stellar company in it's day, made promises it couldn't
> keep, and when they tried to keep them anyway, they went belly up because
> of lack of funds. That was a dark day for me because I had the whole
> organization running on the public calendar and contacts.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jun 9, 2019, at 07:54 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe LC wanted to become a platform for games, thats why they planned
> > this.. but then the market just didn't agree and they had to scrap
> it.
> >
> > Every company should strive to hit 100% of their promises, but sometimes
> > for the sake of the company striving, some have to be abandoned.
> >
> > Creating a platform is challenging because you have to respond to the
> > market of users, or you become useless.
> >
> > I don't see a lot of people asking for 2d physics.
>
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Re: Box2D

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Now Software, a stellar company in it's day, made promises it couldn't keep, 
and when they tried to keep them anyway, they went belly up because of lack of 
funds. That was a dark day for me because I had the whole organization running 
on the public calendar and contacts. 

Bob S


> On Jun 9, 2019, at 07:54 , Tom Glod via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Maybe LC wanted to become a platform for games, thats why they planned
> this.. but then the market just didn't agree and they had to scrap it.
> 
> Every company should strive to hit 100% of their promises, but sometimes
> for the sake of the company striving, some have to be abandoned.
> 
> Creating a platform is challenging because you have to respond to the
> market of users, or you become useless.
> 
> I don't see a lot of people asking for 2d physics.


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Re: math on widths doesn't add up

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Hmmm... I wonder if theoretically a one dimensional being could draw x,y. 

Bob S


> On Jun 14, 2019, at 14:54 , hh via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> @Dar.
> 
> Probably you wish with your post avoid the confusion between
> 
> = a math-point (x,y) which has no dimension, so cannot be drawn and


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Re: Is there a way to use custom icons in the navbar widget?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Do you use the images as controls? If so should be no problem. If however you 
use buttons that reference the images, you will need to make sure that when 
pasting/cloning the group, you have code that re-associates the images with the 
buttons. 

Actually, now that I am thinking about it, this is a great arguement for using 
images as opposed to buttons when using custom icons. 

Bob S


> On Jun 15, 2019, at 08:39 , Tom Glod via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I ended up making my own svg nav bar because i wanted the ability to have
> shadows or glows on the icons, its really easy to code the distribution of
> icons. There was also another limitation that I can't remember.  If you
> want more visual control, that is what i would recommend.
> 
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 11:05 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> See the Icon SVG Library.  You can create your own icon families for use
>> in your apps.  The current icon family is the one shown in the PI but you
>> can use any available icon in the widget.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
>> On Jun 15, 2019, 3:40 AM -0400, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> i am currently working on a mobile app which makes use of the navbar
>> widget. I like the ease of that widget. The only thing i am missing is that
>> i would like to use my own icons with it, because i need other symbols than
>> the ones provided by the widget.
>>> 
>>> So is there a way to use custom icons with that widget?
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Matthias
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Re: stack can write to prefs-folder, and cannot!?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Sorry I've been out of town for a week and am tearing throught my emails. I 
didn't catch the part about creating a folder. 

Bob S


> On Jun 17, 2019, at 09:01 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
>> Am 17.06.2019 um 17:39 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> I assume you checked to make sure you have write permissions. I found this 
>> article from 2017. Not sure if it is relevant: 
>> https://eclecticlight.co/2017/07/09/last-week-on-my-mac-making-a-mess-of-preferences/
> 
> so being able to create a folder there does not count as proof of having 
> write permission in your opinion? 8-)
> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2019, at 07:12 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hallo Hermann,
 Am 10.06.2019 um 15:44 schrieb hh via use-livecode 
 :
 
> Klaus M. wrote:
> What the hell is going on here? What am I overlooking? 
 I have here these problems also from a new stack or the message box on
 MacOS 10.14.5 using LC 9.5.0/ 9.0.5/ 8.1.10.
 But with "preferences" only, have no problems with "documents" or 
 "desktop".
>>> 
>>> strange enough, I can create a folder in specialfolderpath("preferences")
>>> Via msg and via a button in namly stack. Too funky!?
>>> 
>>> I'm completely clueless...
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> 
>>> Klaus
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
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Re: Is there a way to use custom icons in the navbar widget?

[hh via use-livecode]

> I wrote:
> It is a "HTML5 Native Button", similar to the platform related "androidbutton"
> or "iosbutton" widgets. Here is the source code
> https://github.com/livecode/livecode/tree/develop/extensions/widgets
> 
> This is good to know for people who give advices relating LC to Webdesign,
> HTML, CSS, JavaScript ...

Let me explain my last statement a bit. It is mainly meant to note
= how much work the creation of a single native HTML5 control requires,
= how far away doing webdesign with LC is away from the current state.

TMHO, there is simply no way for LC to concur with the big companies with that.
This is not doable with a few people only.

Concurring within the always changing main stream will, presumably, never make 
LC
grow. Specializing instead on elsewhere unavailable features, as is currently
done with LCFM for Android, sounds more promising.
The other developing "branches" of LC can profit from that.

Though some features that Roland requests in his last post may become available
with the already announced CSS widget.

And if more people who can afford it share their fancy controls, no matter how
these are derived, then we will get a big base for starters.

LivecodeShare ("Sample stacks" from the toolbar or 
http://livecodeshare.runrev.com)
is good for that. "Sample stacks" is very easy to use and downloads are fast.

Yes, you can only upload stacks ... But as we all know, stacks can contain a 
lot of
things for sharing. Especially zips, sample groups or simply sample scripts.
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Re: stack can write to prefs-folder, and cannot!?

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Bob,

> Am 17.06.2019 um 17:39 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I assume you checked to make sure you have write permissions. I found this 
> article from 2017. Not sure if it is relevant: 
> https://eclecticlight.co/2017/07/09/last-week-on-my-mac-making-a-mess-of-preferences/

so being able to create a folder there does not count as proof of having write 
permission in your opinion? 8-)

> Bob S
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2019, at 07:12 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hallo Hermann,
>>> Am 10.06.2019 um 15:44 schrieb hh via use-livecode 
>>> :
>>> 
 Klaus M. wrote:
 What the hell is going on here? What am I overlooking? 
>>> I have here these problems also from a new stack or the message box on
>>> MacOS 10.14.5 using LC 9.5.0/ 9.0.5/ 8.1.10.
>>> But with "preferences" only, have no problems with "documents" or "desktop".
>> 
>> strange enough, I can create a folder in specialfolderpath("preferences")
>> Via msg and via a button in namly stack. Too funky!?
>> 
>> I'm completely clueless...
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Klaus

Best

Klaus

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Re: [ANN]CRON - a library for Levure

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Levurithans! I like it! 

Bob S


> On Jun 12, 2019, at 13:38 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Calling all Levurithans and anyone who wants to break some code:  


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Re: Why does this not work ?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Why aren't you setting the vis of tName? 

Bob S


> On Jun 10, 2019, at 17:44 , Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK, this code produces an error - but I can't see why (and I worry about that 
> :-)
> 
> I have a field inside a group inside a group ,
> 
> and the following code :
> 
>> on mouseup
>>local tName, t1, t2
>>put the long name of fld "F" into tName
>>put tName & ",12,13" into t1
>>put "t1" && t1 &CR after msg
>> 
>>put item 1 of t1 into t2
>>set the vis of t2 to TRUE
>>put "t2 was OK" &CR after msg
>> 
>>set the vis of (item 1 of t1) to TRUE
>>put "using parens OK" &CR after msg
>> 
>>set the vis of item 1 of t1 to TRUE   -- this line fails !!
>>put "here" &CR after msg
>> 
>> end mouseup
> that line fails, with the error message


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Re: stack can write to prefs-folder, and cannot!?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I assume you checked to make sure you have write permissions. I found this 
article from 2017. Not sure if it is relevant: 

https://eclecticlight.co/2017/07/09/last-week-on-my-mac-making-a-mess-of-preferences/

Bob S


> On Jun 10, 2019, at 07:12 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hallo Hermann,
> 
>> Am 10.06.2019 um 15:44 schrieb hh via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>>> Klaus M. wrote:
>>> What the hell is going on here? What am I overlooking? 
>> 
>> I have here these problems also from a new stack or the message box on
>> MacOS 10.14.5 using LC 9.5.0/ 9.0.5/ 8.1.10.
>> But with "preferences" only, have no problems with "documents" or "desktop".
> 
> strange enough, I can create a folder in specialfolderpath("preferences")
> Via msg and via a button in namly stack. Too funky!?
> 
> I'm completely clueless...
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> kl...@major-k.de
> 
> 
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[ANN] This Week in LiveCode 182

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hi all,

Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source
community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter!

Read issue #182 here: http://bit.ly/2WTRU2s

This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been
going on in and around the open source project. New issues will be
released weekly on Mondays. We have a dedicated mailing list that will
deliver each issue directly to you e-mail, so you don't miss any!

If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion
somewhere, an upcoming event) then please get in touch.


-- 
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Re: Is there a way to use custom icons in the navbar widget?

[hh via use-livecode]

> Roland H. wrote:
> (By the way, what is this HTML button widget meant to do? I searched 40
> minutes and still have no clue... Is this my fault to scratch my head?)

It is a "HTML5 Native Button", similar to the platform related "androidbutton"
or "iosbutton" widgets. Here is the source code
https://github.com/livecode/livecode/tree/develop/extensions/widgets

This is good to know for people who give advices relating LC to Webdesign,
HTML, CSS, JavaScript ...
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Re: identifying macOS folders that are considered to be files?

[Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/121147/determine-if-a-directory-is-a-bundle-or-package-in-the-mac-os-x-terminal

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box!'
'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
but it is yourself!'

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On Tue, 28 May 2019 at 23:18, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
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> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 4:31 PM kee nethery via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Wow, way more complicated than I imagined.
> >
> > From:
> >
> https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/CoreFoundation/Conceptual/CFBundles/AboutBundles/AboutBundles.html
>
>
> The macOS API I wrapped in the extension should take all of the into
> account.
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Re: Is there a way to use custom icons in the navbar widget?

[R.H. via use-livecode]

To me the nav-bar is pretty much useless the way it is.

It is a problem with widgets in general that they often do not allow fine
grained customization as long as they do not give access to all properties
and other settings and di what all other controls can do. And writing
myself a nav-bar with LCB? It limits rather than is expanding. Or will we
all go for LCB doing everything "there"?

A standard "group" with some nice SVG icons does the trick of a nav-bar
easily and under full control.

(By the way, what is this HTML button widget meant to do? I searched 40
minutes and still have no clue... Is this my fault to scratch my head?)

I would rather like to see standard controls with the enhancement of fully
matching CSS-3 specs. That would be controlling UIX on the level of today's
expectations.

Why do I have to mimick padding, full control of each side of rects, box
models etc.? That should be available "out of the box". CSS is the guide.

And the IDE mostly looks ugly. Tons of beautifully designed interfaces are
competing. As a newbie, I would be distracted looking at today's LiveCode
IDE.

A cramped toolbar, black-white. Ugly looking controls... ... I stop here.
It needs a designer.

There is flat design, Windows new UIX guides, Apples UIX guides, Googles
material UIX... But we still use default buttons that remind me of 10-20
years ago. I do change them. But why are there no really cool default
themes packed with the product? Several modern styles of buttons?
Predefinde fields with labels, It is not so much work to do.

"You can all do this yourself..." -- is not the answer. I do that already.

But an intelligent thoughtful default design of all our controls would
sell. And the stack window needs a customizable scroller, vertical and
horizontal, not a group doing that. It is expected standard.

For beginners, the choice is about what looks "col" first of all, not
understanding anything behind the curtain yet.

Color and form lead to a choice. They signal the level of promise, and if
the promise is fulfilled, the product shines and will be promoted by users.

There are millions of webdesigners, not really programmers. A huge market.
Would they not like to involve LiveCode and even pay for it? They all learn
HTML, CSS and ... JavaScript, or they are quickly out of business. Where is
the bridge? Designing for the web in LC? Translating to JavaScript source
code? (Our web HTML solution does not seem to take off and takes too much
time to download and is too much limited. I could not recommend to serious
customers.)

So, what does LC offer to those millions?

Hard-core developers will continue looking down on LC thinking of it to be
a kind of toy. (It is not.)

Sorry for going beyond the nav-bar.

Who needs LC?

I have answers, but fear that they are no longer convincing enough.

With appreciation and love for LiveCode. But I am concerned.

Roland
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