Re: HC 25 years old today
One of my pals while I was at Apple (he got me started on juggling) wrote a tech note about the dogcow: http://www.macfreek.nl/humour/tn31.html ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
You can't have too much cowbell! On Aug 14, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: For the folks that gotta have more cowbell, er, Hypercard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTtQ0l0ukvQ Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
At lease the Macalope is still with us. On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:48 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 8/14/12 6:44 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: For the folks that gotta have more cowbell, er, Hypercard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTtQ0l0ukvQ Remember the dogcow? Miss that critter. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
I love that things like this are still out there (in any sense you like) on the Internet. Bob On Aug 15, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: One of my pals while I was at Apple (he got me started on juggling) wrote a tech note about the dogcow: http://www.macfreek.nl/humour/tn31.html ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
Thanks for that. I really want to make a few of these work on my iPhone. Bob On Aug 15, 2012, at 10:53 AM, stephen barncard wrote: The wonderful dog-cow sound is available online as an aiff, along with the other 8-bit favorites like hip, chi-toy and clink-clank: http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/19079/mac-os-classic-sound-pack/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
For the folks that gotta have more cowbell, er, Hypercard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTtQ0l0ukvQ Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
Should have written more early Mac reminiscing... Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design Recently, I wrote: For the folks that gotta have more cowbell, er, Hypercard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTtQ0l0ukvQ Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
On 8/14/12 6:44 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: For the folks that gotta have more cowbell, er, Hypercard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTtQ0l0ukvQ Remember the dogcow? Miss that critter. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:48 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 8/14/12 6:44 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: For the folks that gotta have more cowbell, er, Hypercard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTtQ0l0ukvQ Remember the dogcow? Miss that critter. Moof! ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
Le 12 août 2012 à 19:26, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com a écrit : On 8/12/12 11:03 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Someone on the HC list noted this. Hypercard's 25th anniversary. This link was attached: http://www.tuaw.com/tag/hypercard There are some nice links back to RunRev. I admit I choked up a bit when I read the article. I wouldn't be here if it hadn't been for HyperCard. For French people, another link : http://www.macgeneration.com/unes/voir/131882/hypercard-l-un-des-plus-beaux-concepts-d-apple ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
Mark Wieder wrote: One of the interesting things Bill Atkinson said this evening is that the source code for HyperCard has been donated to the Computer Museum. You can download the code for MacPaint and MacDraw which were also donated, but the HC source code isn't yet downloadable. Bill was optimistically hoping that the 25th anniversary of HyperCard would be the impetus for them to make it available, but it hasn't happened yet. At long last, the secrets of hint bits revealed! :) I suspect that's a lightweight form of bitmap index, but it'll be interesting to see how it's done. If any of you (Mr. Kriesel?) have implemented a bitmap index in an xtalk I'd be very interested to see how you did it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitmap_index -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
When we were creating the Expanded Books series we had some challenges in fitting the longer books onto a floppy disk. We made the files as .SIT, that helped, but still longer books were a tight squeeze. One trick I did was to set the hint bits to zero, that alone would save enough space that a borderline book would then fit. It might mean that the first searches wouldn't be as fast as they could be, but our search method was pretty fast, so it was worth using that trick. On Aug 13, 2012, at 8:41 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: I suspect that's a lightweight form of bitmap index, but it'll be interesting to see how it's done. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
Colin Holgate wrote: On Aug 13, 2012, at 8:41 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I suspect that's a lightweight form of bitmap index, but it'll be interesting to see how it's done. When we were creating the Expanded Books series we had some challenges in fitting the longer books onto a floppy disk. We made the files as .SIT, that helped, but still longer books were a tight squeeze. One trick I did was to set the hint bits to zero, that alone would save enough space that a borderline book would then fit. Interesting. I didn't know that was settable - what was the range of values one could use? Bitmap indices are often chosen because of their compact size relative to other methods, but I guess nothing's a free ride. I usually feel pretty good if the size of an index is no larger than half the size of the corpus, but I'm lazy that way. :) It might mean that the first searches wouldn't be as fast as they could be, but our search method was pretty fast, so it was worth using that trick. Was it a brute-force free text search, or did you use an index? If the latter, are you at liberty to discuss your index structure? So much to learn about indexing, so many options -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
On 8/13/12 12:42 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: Jacque- Sunday, August 12, 2012, 10:26:02 AM, you wrote: I admit I choked up a bit when I read the article. I wouldn't be here if it hadn't been for HyperCard. I seem to be playing straight man for you quite a bit lately, but... OK - where would you be? Probably supporting Lenin in hell. It was a rough time. ...and there should be some kind of punchline about playing straight man for a woman named Gay, but luckily for everyone it eludes me at the moment... I think it didn't elude you for very long. :) But it's the perfect segue for one of my husband's best lines, which some may not have heard yet: Our family has supported Gay marriage for generations. I don't see what the big deal is. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
On 8/12/12 9:52 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/HyperCard/message/2159 (Why the HyperCard group is stored among the Finance groups in yahoo???) Good question. Paul (the list moderator) tried to get it changed for a long time but Yahoo never responded. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
I can't remember the exact values, this was 20 years ago I was doing that! You would type debug hintbits in the message box, with some values, then do a compact stack. Apparently it's described in the Dan Winkler/Scott Kamins HyperCard book. The text finding worked like this: unmark all cards mark cards by finding whatever Then the find routine would run around the marked cards to collect either just the page numbers, or to get the text and the words either side of it. On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Interesting. I didn't know that was settable - what was the range of values one could use? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
dunb...@aol.com wrote: Someone on the HC list noted this. Hypercard's 25th anniversary. Well worth celebrating: When Nikita Khrushchev died he went to Hell, and the first things he saw was Hitler up to his neck in shit, and Stalin up to his waist in the stuff. So he asked the Devil why Stalin was only up to his waist in poo. To which the reply was that he was standing on Lenin's shoulders. All of us who use Runtime Revolution Livecode would be in deep trouble without Hypercard! Happy Birthday Hypercard; long may your love-child; Runtime Revolution Livecode, continue to keep alive your legacy Craig ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
On 8/12/12 11:03 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Someone on the HC list noted this. Hypercard's 25th anniversary. This link was attached: http://www.tuaw.com/tag/hypercard There are some nice links back to RunRev. I admit I choked up a bit when I read the article. I wouldn't be here if it hadn't been for HyperCard. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
FWIW, this year is the 20th anniversary of LiveCode - while I don't have the specific release date, I believe MetaCard was first released in 1992. Happy birthday, LiveCode. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
Richard Gaskin wrote: FWIW, this year is the 20th anniversary of LiveCode - while I don't have the specific release date, I believe MetaCard was first released in 1992. At the risk of seeming picky; surely it is the twentieth anniversary of Metacard? Happy birthday, LiveCode. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
Kevin liked it so much he bought the company. (altered quote may only has relevance to those in the US who were watching tv in the 70s and 80s) On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: FWIW, this year is the 20th anniversary of LiveCode - while I don't have the specific release date, I believe MetaCard was first released in 1992. At the risk of seeming picky; surely it is the twentieth anniversary of Metacard? Happy birthday, LiveCode. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/**FourthWorldSyshttp://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
stephen barncard wrote: Kevin liked it so much he bought the company. (altered quote may only has relevance to those in the US who were watching tv in the 70s and 80s) We were laughing ourselves at Victor Kiam in Britain as well. And, while I am here I would just like to say that Kevin makes me feel a whole lot more comfortable than Victor Kiam. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Kiam On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: FWIW, this year is the 20th anniversary of LiveCode - while I don't have the specific release date, I believe MetaCard was first released in 1992. At the risk of seeming picky; surely it is the twentieth anniversary of Metacard? Happy birthday, LiveCode. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/**FourthWorldSyshttp://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
J. Landman Gay wrote [snip] I wouldn't be here if it hadn't been for HyperCard. Me too! :-D Back then, I tried to build a Spanish Translation Assistant http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/HyperCard/message/2159 (Why the HyperCard group is stored among the Finance groups in yahoo???) Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Fast-Way-to-get-a-Path-to-files-in-thumbnail-folders-tp4653655p4653673.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HC 25 years old today
Jacque- Sunday, August 12, 2012, 10:26:02 AM, you wrote: I admit I choked up a bit when I read the article. I wouldn't be here if it hadn't been for HyperCard. I seem to be playing straight man for you quite a bit lately, but... OK - where would you be? ...and there should be some kind of punchline about playing straight man for a woman named Gay, but luckily for everyone it eludes me at the moment... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
