Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

[Mark Smith via use-livecode]

Bob, that is exactly what the schools and university licenses are. Plus, the 
apps developed with them the are non-expiring (which is probably a good thing 
since many students will want to continue using their apps and not have them go 
p and disappear). School is $25 a seat per year, and university is $50. If 
you are running a private non-accredited training program speak to Heather. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Speaking of an educational license, perhaps consider, now that a lot of 
> learning is online, having the ability to "assign" a seat license an email 
> and password, so that someone could teach an online course, and distribute 
> each seat license to students for the duration of the class. Upon graduation 
> the teacher can direct the students to the Livecode site where they can 
> purchase a (perhaps new user special deal) license of their own, and then 
> turn off their per seat educational license. 
> 
> Bob S
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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Speaking of an educational license, perhaps consider, now that a lot of 
learning is online, having the ability to "assign" a seat license an email and 
password, so that someone could teach an online course, and distribute each 
seat license to students for the duration of the class. Upon graduation the 
teacher can direct the students to the Livecode site where they can purchase a 
(perhaps new user special deal) license of their own, and then turn off their 
per seat educational license. 

Bob S


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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

[kee nethery via use-livecode]

> On Sep 2, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> HI Kee,
> 
> You do know the schools license gives you complete access to all 7 platforms 
> and permanent standalones for $25 a seat per year and the apps are 
> non-expiring?

Did not know that. 
Kee



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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

[Mark Smith via use-livecode]

HI Kee,

You do know the schools license gives you complete access to all 7 platforms 
and permanent standalones for $25 a seat per year and the apps are non-expiring?

> On Sep 2, 2021, at 6:15 PM, Kee Nethery via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I like the idea of a free version that does not compile into an app. Lets 
> schools teach LiveCode and lets people learn it before deciding to buy it.
> 
> My two cents
> 
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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 9/2/21 12:34 PM, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:

Here’s the calculations as it stands for the new Standard Plan.

1 platform = $300
2 platforms = $500 ($200 more)
3 platforms = $900 (another $400 more ??)
4 platforms = $1000 ($100 more )
5 platforms = $1500 ($500 more [mind blown])
6 platforms = $1800 ($300 more)
All 7 platforms = $2000 ($200 more)

To say it’s inconsistent would be the understatement of the millennia.


The way I figure it, each platform is $300. But since many of us build for the two major ones 
(Mac and Windows) you get a $100 discount for that bundle. After that it's $300 each except for 
4 and 7 platforms, where there's also a discount.


I don't know for sure, but I suspect those three discounted combinations are the most commonly 
used amoung the user base.


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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

[Bernard Devlin via use-livecode]

>>
I can understand why there are users who feel betrayed by the company
especially with the new
pricing structure, and the discontinuance of support for the Community
version which was even
paid for in a marketing campaign in advance of it’s release.
<<
The vast majority of the money contributed to the Kickstarter received a
commercial license in the days after the Kickstarter closed.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28379192

I've contributed to other very high profile projects, where within a year
or so of completion the vendors lost interest in the project and
discontinued it and my _installed_ copy stopped working. No answer from
customer support, the company had the money and just moved on.  No-one who
contributed to the Kickstarter received that kind of treatment from LC Ltd.

>>
It can seem that the company keeps increasing it’s prices while taking away
functionality by
forcing users to select which specific platforms to be able to deploy to.
That seems to go against
the idea of coding once and being able to deploy to all platforms in one
affordable package.
<<

LC deploying to 3 platforms is still cheaper now than Revolution Enterprise
was 15 years ago.

>>
Access to the Community version is still very important as that is how many
users were first
introduced to LiveCode who then became paying customers. I believe the try
it before buying
model is still very important for helping users to make the purchase
decision.
<<
"... who then became paying customers..." If that was true I don't think LC
Ltd would have felt the need to terminate the free offering.  There are
lots of people who have admitted that they didn't see the point in paying
for a license when the free version could do 99% of what the licensed
version could do.

The tragedy is that many people are too selfish to see the bigger picture.
I know dozens of parents who spend far more on the mobile phone contracts
for their children than the LC starter license costs.  Those parents know
they can't get a free phone for their kids so they pay up.

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 5:14 PM Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
>
> > On Sep 1, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Dan Brown via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > That's a bit harsh, are you forgetting the amount of money that was
> > contributed by users to the fund raisers over the years?  > $600k
> >
>
>
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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

Rick has brought to mind an interesting point about the new pricing model. It’s 
one that I think of occasionally. Currently and in the new model we pay for 
each deployment. But it’s a bit odd. Surely what we should be paying for is the 
Core engine and then smaller amounts for each deployment module we wish to add 
in. As it is we are paying say $300 for Win/Mac/Lin then $300 for iOS then $300 
for html (which doesn’t work, but that’s a whole other thread) and so on. Now 
we’re being told we’re going to have to pay for Win, then Mac, then Lin then 
HTML and so on. It just seems a bit off to me. 

Needless to say, because of my commitments, I am forced to do whatever LC 
impose on us and there’s not a great deal I or any of us can do about it. They 
could raise it by $1M per platform and I’d still have to put myself into 
bankruptcy territory to carry on with my work. I’m just saying, it ‘feels’ a 
little off. 

I’m hoping the the calculator on the pricing page is just majorly broken. 

Here’s the calculations as it stands for the new Standard Plan. 

1 platform = $300
2 platforms = $500 ($200 more)
3 platforms = $900 (another $400 more ??)
4 platforms = $1000 ($100 more )
5 platforms = $1500 ($500 more [mind blown])
6 platforms = $1800 ($300 more)
All 7 platforms = $2000 ($200 more)

To say it’s inconsistent would be the understatement of the millennia. 

Add Email support and/or the pro features pack and the numbers are even more 
baffling. 

Barmy! Hopefully Kevin/Heather can put us right on how the pricing was worked 
out coz I’m blown if I can work it out as a mathematician. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd

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> On 2 Sep 2021, at 17:13, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Dan,
> 
> Yes, there were a lot of us who specifically contributed to make the 
> Community version possible
> as open source.  One of the justifications was that if the company went under 
> we would still have
> the Community version available to us. The promise that the company would 
> also support it was
> equally appealing. While the original intent was to use the Community version 
> to widen the user
> base, and get more paying customers, it apparently didn’t get enough of them 
> to be able to
> justify sustaining the Community version. 
> 
> I can understand why there are users who feel betrayed by the company 
> especially with the new 
> pricing structure, and the discontinuance of support for the Community 
> version which was even 
> paid for in a marketing campaign in advance of it’s release.
> 
> It can seem that the company keeps increasing it’s prices while taking away 
> functionality by
> forcing users to select which specific platforms to be able to deploy to. 
> That seems to go against 
> the idea of coding once and being able to deploy to all platforms in one 
> affordable package.
> 
> Access to the Community version is still very important as that is how many 
> users were first
> introduced to LiveCode who then became paying customers. I believe the try it 
> before buying 
> model is still very important for helping users to make the purchase decision.
> 
> It would be nice if the company were willing to provide the final version of 
> the Community 
> version under an MIT license instead of GPL since they will no longer be 
> supporting it at all, and 
> it marks a true fork in the road from the codebase going forward.  That might 
> make the transition
> easier to accept for some users. Continually making users of your product 
> feel disappointed
> or angry isn’t a good marketing strategy.  The happier you can make your 
> customers the better
> your business will be!
> 
> I think it’s great that the CEO is interested in negotiating with those users 
> who feel they can’t
> afford the new pricing structure, which is certainly something one would 
> never see with
> large companies like Disney.
> 
> The LC community is going through a shock with so much change that had no 
> gradual hints
> about it. Acceptance of the changes will take time as it always does, but we 
> will adjust.
> 
> Just my 2 cent observations for the day.
> 
> Rick
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Dan Brown via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That's a bit harsh, are you forgetting the amount of money that was
>> contributed by users to the fund raisers over the years?  > $600k
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

[Kee Nethery via use-livecode]

I like the idea of a free version that does not compile into an app. Lets 
schools teach LiveCode and lets people learn it before deciding to buy it.

My two cents

Kee Nethery
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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

[doc hawk via use-livecode]

Rick rumbled,

> It would be nice if the company were willing to provide the final version of 
> the Community 
> version under an MIT license instead of GPL since they will no longer be 
> supporting it at all, and 
> it marks a true fork in the road from the codebase going forward.

While it sounds nice, and would address a certain need, it simply isn’t 
practical.

I wrote the seminal economic paper on the economics of open source for the firm.

A BSD license release would be downright suicidal, as it could be a “most of 
the way there” stepping stone for a commercial competitor.
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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Hi Dan,

Yes, there were a lot of us who specifically contributed to make the Community 
version possible
as open source.  One of the justifications was that if the company went under 
we would still have
the Community version available to us. The promise that the company would also 
support it was
equally appealing. While the original intent was to use the Community version 
to widen the user
base, and get more paying customers, it apparently didn’t get enough of them to 
be able to
justify sustaining the Community version. 

I can understand why there are users who feel betrayed by the company 
especially with the new 
pricing structure, and the discontinuance of support for the Community version 
which was even 
paid for in a marketing campaign in advance of it’s release.

It can seem that the company keeps increasing it’s prices while taking away 
functionality by
forcing users to select which specific platforms to be able to deploy to. That 
seems to go against 
the idea of coding once and being able to deploy to all platforms in one 
affordable package.

Access to the Community version is still very important as that is how many 
users were first 
introduced to LiveCode who then became paying customers. I believe the try it 
before buying 
model is still very important for helping users to make the purchase decision.

It would be nice if the company were willing to provide the final version of 
the Community 
version under an MIT license instead of GPL since they will no longer be 
supporting it at all, and 
it marks a true fork in the road from the codebase going forward.  That might 
make the transition
easier to accept for some users. Continually making users of your product feel 
disappointed
or angry isn’t a good marketing strategy.  The happier you can make your 
customers the better
your business will be!

I think it’s great that the CEO is interested in negotiating with those users 
who feel they can’t
afford the new pricing structure, which is certainly something one would never 
see with
large companies like Disney.

The LC community is going through a shock with so much change that had no 
gradual hints
about it. Acceptance of the changes will take time as it always does, but we 
will adjust.

Just my 2 cent observations for the day.

Rick

> On Sep 1, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Dan Brown via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's a bit harsh, are you forgetting the amount of money that was
> contributed by users to the fund raisers over the years?  > $600k
> 




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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

[David Bovill via use-livecode]

I think I’ll head over there and. See if there is any will to maintain an 
aspect of the language as open source - I think there are a couple of options:

1. The server
2. The language with a focus on was and web

I would think that with these components open, this is in no way incompatible 
with a closed source development platform for mobile etc - people will still. 
Pay for the tools but the core of the language would be open.MModern tools make 
the development of the language aspect something a community can do and as it 
is is relatively cutting edge - something an open source community might be 
willing to undertake. Would need new blood I think.

    Schedule a call with me
On 1 Sep 2021, 14:30 +0100, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> FWIW over on the forums the sentiment seems to be mostly hostile to these
> changes. Many are talking of collecting and hosting past "community"
> installers to get around these changes by LC Ltd, others talking of jumping
> ship. Over there the attitude is "the sky is falling". I can only assume
> many of them used LC simply because it was free of charge, disliking that
> doing so in future will entail them making some contribution to the cost of
> progress.
>
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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

[Kevin Miller via use-livecode]

We are of course incredibly grateful for the contributions we have received, 
all of which were spent on the project over many years. However I would note 
that 90%+ of all crowd funding campaign support came from license holders, the 
majority in the form of future license purchases. Commercial license revenue, 
whether crowd funded or not, was always the biggest source of funding for the 
open source project.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Develop Yourself

On 01/09/2021, 16:44, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Brown via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

"I can only assume
many of them used LC simply because it was free of charge, disliking that
doing so in future will entail them making some contribution to the cost of
progress."

That's a bit harsh, are you forgetting the amount of money that was
contributed by users to the fund raisers over the years?  > $600k

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 2:30 PM Bernard Devlin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> FWIW over on the forums the sentiment seems to be mostly hostile to these
> changes. Many are talking of collecting and hosting past "community"
> installers to get around these changes by LC Ltd, others talking of 
jumping
> ship.  Over there the attitude is "the sky is falling".  I can only assume
> many of them used LC simply because it was free of charge, disliking that
> doing so in future will entail them making some contribution to the cost 
of
> progress.
>
> Regards, Bernard
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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

[Bernard Devlin via use-livecode]

The vast majority of those who contributed to the Kickstarter were rewarded
with something other than the free product.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28379192

I suggest you go read the comments on the Forum and see who is being
harsh.  LC Ltd made a change that is within their rights to keep LC going -
some of the same people complaining about the new licensing costs are also
people who repeatedly allege "LC Ltd is financially on the ropes".  Others
are on the Forum repeatedly telling people to jump ship to alternative
tools, and were doing this for months before this licensing change was made.

I'm pretty sure most people have more money lost on unused minutes on their
mobile phone contract than it would cost to buy a license to fund LC
development.

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 4:47 PM Dan Brown via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> "I can only assume
> many of them used LC simply because it was free of charge, disliking that
> doing so in future will entail them making some contribution to the cost of
> progress."
>
> That's a bit harsh, are you forgetting the amount of money that was
> contributed by users to the fund raisers over the years?  > $600k
>
>
>
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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

[Dan Brown via use-livecode]

"I can only assume
many of them used LC simply because it was free of charge, disliking that
doing so in future will entail them making some contribution to the cost of
progress."

That's a bit harsh, are you forgetting the amount of money that was
contributed by users to the fund raisers over the years?  > $600k

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 2:30 PM Bernard Devlin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> FWIW over on the forums the sentiment seems to be mostly hostile to these
> changes. Many are talking of collecting and hosting past "community"
> installers to get around these changes by LC Ltd, others talking of jumping
> ship.  Over there the attitude is "the sky is falling".  I can only assume
> many of them used LC simply because it was free of charge, disliking that
> doing so in future will entail them making some contribution to the cost of
> progress.
>
> Regards, Bernard
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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Brian... your price lock lapsed in January 2019. The last payment we received 
was in 2018, hence it could hardly be described as having been "kept active". 
Please contact support to discuss your exact licensing situation, I think you 
will find it more satisfactory than you realise.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 1 Sep 2021, at 16:01, Brian Duck via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Check your email..,
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Keith Martin via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I just hope that my Price Lock Indy subscription will continue as promised.
> 
> Mine was cancelled via email from cleverbridge:
> 
> Your subscription for "LiveCode Indy - Price Lock" has been canceled.
> 
>> Kevin did say yesterday that "if we promised something in the past we do 
>> honour it” and back when I started my Indy sub I was told that my 
>> subscription will 'remain at the same cost for as long as I keep it active' 
>> – hence the Price Lock title.
> 
> Promises, promises.
> 
> The issue I have is the continuous campaigns promising features, only to find 
> I’ve funded an add-on that I can’t afford to deploy, as with HTML5.
> 
> Someone mentioned a roadmap for LC, is there more than what’s posted in the 
> blog?
> 
> MiAppWorks
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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

[Brian Duck via use-livecode]

Check your email..,

> On Sep 1, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Keith Martin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I just hope that my Price Lock Indy subscription will continue as promised.

Mine was cancelled via email from cleverbridge:

Your subscription for "LiveCode Indy - Price Lock" has been canceled.

> Kevin did say yesterday that "if we promised something in the past we do 
> honour it” and back when I started my Indy sub I was told that my 
> subscription will 'remain at the same cost for as long as I keep it active' – 
> hence the Price Lock title.

Promises, promises.

The issue I have is the continuous campaigns promising features, only to find 
I’ve funded an add-on that I can’t afford to deploy, as with HTML5.

Someone mentioned a roadmap for LC, is there more than what’s posted in the 
blog?

MiAppWorks

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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

I just hope that my Price Lock Indy subscription will continue as promised. 
Kevin did say yesterday that "if we promised something in the past we do honour 
it” and back when I started my Indy sub I was told that my subscription will 
'remain at the same cost for as long as I keep it active' – hence the Price 
Lock title.

I’m very happy to continue paying that.
Community was an amazing initiative but that’s a rather different agreement. :)

k

> On 1 Sep 2021, at 14:28, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> FWIW over on the forums the sentiment seems to be mostly hostile to these
> changes. Many are talking of collecting and hosting past "community"
> installers to get around these changes by LC Ltd, others talking of jumping
> ship.  Over there the attitude is "the sky is falling".  I can only assume
> many of them used LC simply because it was free of charge, disliking that
> doing so in future will entail them making some contribution to the cost of
> progress.
> 
> Regards, Bernard
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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

[Bernard Devlin via use-livecode]

FWIW over on the forums the sentiment seems to be mostly hostile to these
changes. Many are talking of collecting and hosting past "community"
installers to get around these changes by LC Ltd, others talking of jumping
ship.  Over there the attitude is "the sky is falling".  I can only assume
many of them used LC simply because it was free of charge, disliking that
doing so in future will entail them making some contribution to the cost of
progress.

Regards, Bernard
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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Extending on something Bernd said, I would hope the gang will consider is
keeping portions that are built upon the engine OSS, even with a
restrictive commercial license.
Something else for all of us to remember, when LC went OSS, there was a
reason, and at least part of that was financial.
As with every time LC makes a move and the hope comes out, here's hoping
that this move will be great.

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 7:19 AM David V Glasgow via use-livecode <
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>
>
> > On 1 Sep 2021, at 11:26 am, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > There you had a group of programmers who supposedly loved what
> > HyperCard could do, but they only loved that concept as a historical
> > artefact, not as a tool available to people now.
>
> Abso-frogging-lutely.
>
> The really interesting questions are “why?"  and “Is there anything we
> could do about it?”
>
>
> Best Wishes,
>
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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

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> On 1 Sep 2021, at 11:26 am, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> There you had a group of programmers who supposedly loved what
> HyperCard could do, but they only loved that concept as a historical
> artefact, not as a tool available to people now.

Abso-frogging-lutely.

The really interesting questions are “why?"  and “Is there anything we could do 
about it?”


Best Wishes,

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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

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I can't say this surprises me. I didn't expect the open source offering to
do anything but cut into the bottom line. But certainty isn't achieved
until something is tried and actual results obtained. One of the good
things about having the code source was that there have been times when
I've wanted to suggest an enhancement and could look through the code
myself to see what would be required to bring it about. If it required only
a small change I could make that suggestion and the enhancement was easy to
make.

Over the years I've watched on general programming forums as whenever
HyperCard was brought up there was gushing praise for what it was. Whenever
someone then posted about LiveCode in this context, the gushing praise
turned to irrational hostility.  Pointing out that LC was cross-platform
beyond their wildest dreams, massively more capable than HyperCard, and
free to use made no difference to their irrational hostility  -- better was
worse. There you had a group of programmers who supposedly loved what
HyperCard could do, but they only loved that concept as a historical
artefact, not as a tool available to people now. No wonder none of them got
interested in the open source code.

Ironically the LC source can remain up on Github and as the past 8 years
have shown it's exceedingly unlikely that the advocates of open source will
take it and run with it. This can be contrasted with, for example, what
happened with the InterBase database - in the rage for open source some 20
years ago Borland put up the code for InterBase, but within a couple of
days changed their mind and took down the source code. But by then the
source had been downloaded and became the Firebird database. The closed
source InterBase is still for sale, even though Firebird ended up being
completely re-written based on the code released 20 years ago.

Someone posted this announcement by LC to news.ycombinator.com.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28370865  LC got less hostility from
this announcement than from when LC would be mentioned in the past as an
open source version of HyperCard.

At the end of the day, if not enough funds go into LC Ltd then both the
closed source and open source products would disappear - the past 8 years
have shown us there is very little interest in people contributing to the
source.  It's chalk and cheese when compared with InterBase/Firebird. After
8 years there simply aren't enough low-level programmers who have any
interest in a version of HyperCard for the 21st century.

I could have switched to using the open source version of LC 8 years ago,
but I continued to pay for a license because I understood that bills have
to be paid or Livecode disappears.

Regards, Bernard
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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Alex,

i am not sure, if everyone is aware of it, but standalones that were created 
with the Starter Plan license will expire as soon as the Startert Plan 
subscription expires.

Matthias


> Am 01.09.2021 um 10:29 schrieb Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Thanks Curry. You are absolutely right, everything I said was about the 
> starter plan, not the standard plan.
> 
> With that correction: “I am surprised there is no annual option on the 
> starter (hobbyist) plan”.
> 
> Thanks, 
>  Alex the hobbyist.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 1 Sep 2021, at 01:55, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Alex:
>> 
>>> I'm surprised there is no "annual payment" option
>>> on the standard plan. The standard plan is also the hobbyist plan
>> 
>> "The LiveCode standard plan is an annual subscription which starts
>> at $299 per deployment platform per year"
>> 
>> "LiveCode Starter Plan
>> A great way to get started with LiveCode
>> and for those who like to code as a hobby"
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Curry Kenworthy
>> 
>> Custom Software Development
>> "Better Methods, Better Results"
>> LiveCode Training and Consulting
>> http://livecodeconsulting.com/
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[Alex Tweedly via use-livecode]

Thanks Curry. You are absolutely right, everything I said was about the starter 
plan, not the standard plan.

With that correction: “I am surprised there is no annual option on the starter 
(hobbyist) plan”.

Thanks, 
  Alex the hobbyist.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 Sep 2021, at 01:55, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Alex:
> 
> > I'm surprised there is no "annual payment" option
> > on the standard plan. The standard plan is also the hobbyist plan
> 
> "The LiveCode standard plan is an annual subscription which starts
> at $299 per deployment platform per year"
> 
> "LiveCode Starter Plan
> A great way to get started with LiveCode
> and for those who like to code as a hobby"
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
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[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Alex:

> I'm surprised there is no "annual payment" option
> on the standard plan. The standard plan is also the hobbyist plan

"The LiveCode standard plan is an annual subscription which starts
at $299 per deployment platform per year"

"LiveCode Starter Plan
A great way to get started with LiveCode
and for those who like to code as a hobby"

Best wishes,

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On 31/08/2021 19:28, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote:

You can only buy one plan time per person. Or if you are an organization, again 
you all need to be on the same plan. You can't buy two $9.99 platforms - 
Starter pricing is intended to be just that, to make it easy and accessible to 
get started.


I'm surprised there is no "annual payment" option on the standard plan. 
The standard plan is also the hobbyist plan, so some people will 
(rightly) remain on it forever, while knowing they intend to go on 
subscribing for the long term.


Personally, I wouldn't even care if there was a discount for paying 
annually - I just prefer not to have it cluttering up my credit card 
statement every month.


Alex.

P.S. I'll donate £20 to LC's favourite charity if someone at LC will 
take that annoying apostrophe out of "Pro's and business"

:-)


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You can only buy one plan time per person. Or if you are an organization, again 
you all need to be on the same plan. You can't buy two $9.99 platforms - 
Starter pricing is intended to be just that, to make it easy and accessible to 
get started.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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On 31/08/2021, 18:38, "use-livecode on behalf of Kaveh via use-livecode" 
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OK. Price per month:

   - Starter plan Mac – £7.99
   - Starter plan Windows – £7.99
   - Starter Mac + Windows – £24.99

What am I missing?

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> Don't forget the discount for however long that's good for
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OK. Price per month:

   - Starter plan Mac – £7.99
   - Starter plan Windows – £7.99
   - Starter Mac + Windows – £24.99

What am I missing?

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> Don't forget the discount for however long that's good for
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> > Now I have to work out the new maze of pricing!
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Don't forget the discount for however long that's good for

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Now I have to work out the new maze of pricing!

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