Re: Pitch shifting Audio
2013/9/21 Beat Cornaz b.cor...@gmx.net . but still it would be nice to have Midi functions in LiveCode. Especially some connection, so you could play midi files through your favourite sequencer software, like Ableton live or Logic. Maybe the SunnYmidi that René suggests might do the trick. That would be great. Hi Beat, Yes it does! You can send me any specific questions about sunnYmidi (Mac only). Regards, Thierry PS: Merci René to point out sunnYmidi :) Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Pitch shifting Audio
Bonjour Thierry, You are welcome comme ils disent ! ;-) René Le 23 sept. 2013 à 10:19, Thierry Douez th.do...@gmail.com a écrit : 2013/9/21 Beat Cornaz b.cor...@gmx.net . but still it would be nice to have Midi functions in LiveCode. Especially some connection, so you could play midi files through your favourite sequencer software, like Ableton live or Logic. Maybe the SunnYmidi that René suggests might do the trick. That would be great. Hi Beat, Yes it does! You can send me any specific questions about sunnYmidi (Mac only). Regards, Thierry PS: Merci René to point out sunnYmidi :) Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Pitch shifting Audio
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:59 PM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: I can't say that it *can* be done, but fifteen years ago I wrote code to open, process, and write out AIFF files. Well Geoff, do you mean you did this in Revolution? Why didn't you speak up when this was being discussed over the years!! I think I did it in SuperCard, but that was as I was starting with MetaCard, so it could be either. Sorry that I never noticed any particular discussions going on. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Pitch shifting Audio
Thanks for all your input. It seems clear to me that I have to take another road. But at least now I know. I agree that LiveCode is really excellent in many, many areas, but in audio midi it is a bit of a handicapped child. I think that's a real pity, but those areas have never had the pleasure of much attention in the last 10 years or so. I think it's a pity, as there is, in my humble opinion quite a market for good music audio software and apps. I hope the 'open source' will bring some change. Thanks greetings, Beat ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Pitch shifting Audio
Hello Beat ! For me Midi see SunnYmidi http://sunny-tdz.com/art-1012 Bon souvenir de Paris René Le 21 sept. 2013 à 15:05, Beat Cornaz b.cor...@gmx.net a écrit : Thanks for all your input. It seems clear to me that I have to take another road. But at least now I know. I agree that LiveCode is really excellent in many, many areas, but in audio midi it is a bit of a handicapped child. I think that's a real pity, but those areas have never had the pleasure of much attention in the last 10 years or so. I think it's a pity, as there is, in my humble opinion quite a market for good music audio software and apps. I hope the 'open source' will bring some change. Thanks greetings, Beat ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Pitch shifting Audio
Midi would be a very different setup than digital audio. In midi, only events need to be sent, while digital audio, especially independent tempo and pitch translation require some fancy signal processing. Bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org On Sep 21, 2013, at 6:59 AM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: Hello Beat ! For me Midi see SunnYmidi http://sunny-tdz.com/art-1012 Bon souvenir de Paris René Le 21 sept. 2013 à 15:05, Beat Cornaz b.cor...@gmx.net a écrit : Thanks for all your input. It seems clear to me that I have to take another road. But at least now I know. I agree that LiveCode is really excellent in many, many areas, but in audio midi it is a bit of a handicapped child. I think that's a real pity, but those areas have never had the pleasure of much attention in the last 10 years or so. I think it's a pity, as there is, in my humble opinion quite a market for good music audio software and apps. I hope the 'open source' will bring some change. Thanks greetings, Beat ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Pitch shifting Audio
William Prothero wrote : Midi would be a very different setup than digital audio. In midi, only events need to be sent, while digital audio, especially independent tempo and pitch translation require some fancy signal processing. Yep, I know. Much easier than digital audio, but still it would be nice to have Midi functions in LiveCode. Especially some connection, so you could play midi files through your favourite sequencer software, like Ableton live or Logic. Maybe the SunnYmidi that René suggests might do the trick. That would be great. But on the whole, I would love to see that LC incorporates functionality on the audio/music front. Greetings, Beat ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Pitch shifting Audio
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:04 PM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: I don't want to discourage anyone, or say 'it can't be done' (and someone will try to prove me wrong) but.. I agree with you 100% that there are things LC is well-suited for, and this is at the boundary of that sweet spot. I can't say that it *can* be done, but fifteen years ago I wrote code to open, process, and write out AIFF files. AIFF is uncompressed, and has a simple header, so it wasn't that hard to pull apart. Also, I was doing simple processing: scanning a large file for moments of silence and chopping it into smaller files. I also experimented with the volume, but that's simpler I think than pitch shifting. And I wouldn't want to mess with compressed files. gc ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Pitch shifting Audio
stephen barncard wrote: I don't want to discourage anyone, or say 'it can't be done' (and someone will try to prove me wrong) but.. This is something that Livecode isn't really appropriate for. The audio package in LC is just not up to this kind of specialized task, and is covered by several free or open source applications. Be aware that in the current engine, one can't even export an audio file to any format. ( I wrote some handlers to do that entirely in Livecode, but had to reverse engineer the internal audio format and do all sorts of kludgey things. And at the end of the day, LC audio limited to 16 bit and 48k sample rate. That's true for embedded audioClips, but for cases where QuickTime files can be an option the future looks more promising: If I recall correctly from Trevor's notes in an enhancement request some time ago, QT provides APIs or that but LC is still using an older method of initializing QT structures that prevents using some of the newer APIs. I believe this will be addressed (along with a great many QT-independent issues with media playback on Win and Linux) as part of the Multimedia engine rewrite among the Kickstarter stretch goals, on the roadmap under Queued as Multimedia: http://livecode.com/community/roadmap/ -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Pitch shifting Audio
I don't want to discourage anyone, or say 'it can't be done' (and someone will try to prove me wrong) but.. This is something that Livecode isn't really appropriate for. The audio package in LC is just not up to this kind of specialized task, and is covered by several free or open source applications. Be aware that in the current engine, one can't even export an audio file to any format. ( I wrote some handlers to do that entirely in Livecode, but had to reverse engineer the internal audio format and do all sorts of kludgey things. And at the end of the day, LC audio limited to 16 bit and 48k sample rate. We're promised an A/V tool upgrade sometime in the future but I think it's way 'back burner' and may still not manifest. LC is a toolkit of 'stuff' that is great for 99% of most applications, but not this, you'd be into the law of diminishing returns. A cross-platform 'external to do the job' might have to end up being an application written completely in the native code anyway. On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Beat Cornaz b.cor...@gmx.net wrote: Is there a way to pitch-shift audio without changing the speed (playback rate) in real time in LC? And is there a way to get the audio of a movie player to be pitch-shifted without changing the speed (playback rate) in real time? If this is not possible, is there an external that can do the job? -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Pitch shifting Audio
If I recall correctly from Trevor's notes in an enhancement request some time ago, QT provides APIs or that but LC is still using an older method of initializing QT structures that prevents using some of the newer APIs. and I thought Quicktime was dead or going away soon. On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Geoff Canyon gcan...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:04 PM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: I don't want to discourage anyone, or say 'it can't be done' (and someone will try to prove me wrong) but.. I agree with you 100% that there are things LC is well-suited for, and this is at the boundary of that sweet spot. I can't say that it *can* be done, but fifteen years ago I wrote code to open, process, and write out AIFF files. AIFF is uncompressed, and has a simple header, so it wasn't that hard to pull apart. Also, I was doing simple processing: scanning a large file for moments of silence and chopping it into smaller files. I also experimented with the volume, but that's simpler I think than pitch shifting. And I wouldn't want to mess with compressed files. gc ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Pitch shifting Audio
stephen barncard wrote: If I recall correctly from Trevor's notes in an enhancement request some time ago, QT provides APIs or that but LC is still using an older method of initializing QT structures that prevents using some of the newer APIs. and I thought Quicktime was dead or going away soon. I wouldn't be surprised if they stopped making the Win version, but it would seem silly to drop such a foundational architecture from their own OS. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Pitch shifting Audio
I can't say that it *can* be done, but fifteen years ago I wrote code to open, process, and write out AIFF files. Well Geoff, do you mean you did this in Revolution? Why didn't you speak up when this was being discussed over the years!! On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 1:44 PM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: If I recall correctly from Trevor's notes in an enhancement request some time ago, QT provides APIs or that but LC is still using an older method of initializing QT structures that prevents using some of the newer APIs. and I thought Quicktime was dead or going away soon. On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Geoff Canyon gcan...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:04 PM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: I don't want to discourage anyone, or say 'it can't be done' (and someone will try to prove me wrong) but.. I agree with you 100% that there are things LC is well-suited for, and this is at the boundary of that sweet spot. I can't say that it *can* be done, but fifteen years ago I wrote code to open, process, and write out AIFF files. AIFF is uncompressed, and has a simple header, so it wasn't that hard to pull apart. Also, I was doing simple processing: scanning a large file for moments of silence and chopping it into smaller files. I also experimented with the volume, but that's simpler I think than pitch shifting. And I wouldn't want to mess with compressed files. gc ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Pitch shifting Audio
On 21/09/2013, at 7:08 AM, Mark Wilcox m_p_wil...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Pulling the audio out of a video to be able to pitch shift it in real-time could be done with ffmpeg (you need to decode it before you can pitch shift), although on mobile platforms that is extremely inefficient vs using system frameworks that take advantage of dedicated hardware. If you need this you might as well be replacing LiveCode's multimedia support. mergAV is part of the way there but that's just iOS and OS X. If there's an Android equivalent of AVFoundation I'd love to hear about it as I thought ffmpeg was used there for that type of stuff. The video composition stuff in AVFoundation blew me away with its performance on mobile. Cheers -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Pitch shifting Audio
To pitch shift audio in real-time here is the basis for a cross-platform external: http://www.surina.net/soundtouch/ This could probably be integrated alone quite neatly. Pulling the audio out of a video to be able to pitch shift it in real-time could be done with ffmpeg (you need to decode it before you can pitch shift), although on mobile platforms that is extremely inefficient vs using system frameworks that take advantage of dedicated hardware. If you need this you might as well be replacing LiveCode's multimedia support. When the platform refresh is complete it might be feasible to extend LiveCode in this direction but I wouldn't recommend anyone attempt it at the moment. Unless this requirement is just a small part of a bigger project that LiveCode is very well suited for then I'd be inclined to agree that it's the wrong tool for the job. Mark Beat Cornaz b.cor...@gmx.net wrote: Hello to everyone, Is there a way to pitch-shift audio without changing the speed (playback rate) in real time in LC? And is there a way to get the audio of a movie player to be pitch-shifted without changing the speed (playback rate) in real time? If this is not possible, is there an external that can do the job? Thanks a lot, Beat Cornaz ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
