Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Kay C Lan]

On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Mark Wieder  wrote:

> Well, that's special.
> While I have the Untitled backup drive removed from Spotlight,
>

Sorry for taking a while to answer this, but yesterday I didn't have my TM
HD available so I couldn't be sure.

What do you mean by 'removed'. In the Spotlight Preference Pane all HD's
you do NOT want indexed by Spotlight should appear in the Privacy Tab of
Spotlight - although they only appear there when they are actually
attached. You do NOT want to remove it.

What version of OS X are you on?

I think this may only be applicable pre Mountain Lion, when many users
suffered from TM slowdown. Did you do a full reset? Turn TM OFF, disconnect
your TM HD. Make sure any other Back Up HDs are removed and such software
is turned OFF. In Spotlight, in the Privacy Tab select your internal HD -
this will WIPE your Spotlight db. Restart your computer with CMD+R, run
Disk Utility and Repair Permissions. Restart your computer, Spotlight may
'Index' but it should only take a couple of seconds. Make sure the
Spotlight Magnifying Glass does NOT have a pulsating dot in it.IF you had
some kind of custom set up, with certain folders NOT indexed, then ensure
these appear in the Privacy Tab before removing your internal HD from the
list. In Spotlight Privacy Tab remove your internal HD, this will force
Spotlight to completely rebuild it's DB.

The Reindex will take several HOURS so it might be best to do it just
before going to bed. Make sure Energy Saver is set to NOT go to sleep so
Spotlight can run continuously.

Only after Spotlight has completed it's reindexing of your internal HD -
the Spotlight Magnifying Glass does NOT have a pulsating dot in the middle
- then reattach your TM HD. With most recent version of OS X, with Time
Machine OFF, when you attach an external HD you should be asked something
like 'Do you want to use HD's Name as your Time Machine HD?', just click
yes. If you are not asked this question after 20 seconds, go to System
Preferences, Time Machine and turn it back ON and make sure the correct HD
is listed.

You should then be able to go to the Spotlight Preference Pane, Privacy tab
and your TM HD should have been automatically added to the List. If it's
NOT automatically added, something is wrong!

The first TM backup after you've turned TM OFF, Fixed Permissions, and then
turned TM back ON, will take a while, but after that it should be much
quicker than you are experiencing.

If everything is 'normal', try reattaching your other backup HDs and
turning on your other Backup Software.

Other possibilities:

Are you running any back-up/sync software, maybe to another disk, that
'syncs' the disk so that at certain levels (root level) it ensures the
latest file/folder exists on both or if a file/folder is missing it is
restored?

Are you running any software that might tap into Spotlight's DB, something
like the old CDFinder, now NeoFinder:

http://www.cdfinder.de/

which may have an ability to initiate a restore or rebuild the Spotlight
Index if it feels it's been lost or become corrupt?

Is the TM HD really named 'Untited'? Do you have a few HD's named
"Untitled". Maybe giving the TM HD a name like 'HGWells' might resolve some
internal conflict that exists with other HDs that you have called Untitled
which aren't used for TM but are Indexed by Spotlight.

HTH
As an aside, I've been away for 6 days and didn't have my TM HD with me
because I knew I wasn't going to be 'creating' anything, just reading pdfs
already on my Mac. When I got back and attached my TM HD it did a
'thorough' back up. I'm not certain how many TM Backups you have to miss
before it decides to do this.

To start with it reported 13.6 GB to be backed up, and 136 GB available on
my 1TB TM HD. As it proceeded with the backup the number grew to 15.2 GB to
backup. It took about 5 min to backup, it then started it's 'clean up'.
This took about twice as long, but at the end of it I had 172 GB available.
Nice. Since then, every other backup has been so quick I haven't noticed it
happening.
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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Wieder wrote:

> Richard-
>
> Saturday, October 25, 2014, 10:59:09 AM, you wrote:
>
>> Have you considered OwnCloud?
>
> Hmmm... thanks for the lead. No, I hadn't. Based on the name I figured
> they were just another cloud storage thing. And for a number of
> obvious and non-obvious reasons I have no intention of throwing my
> files Out There. And while OwnCloud is positioning themselves for an
> entirely different use case, I do see that it could be a LAN-only
> backup strategy.

If you decide to try it out, most of the default settings are pretty 
good but one:  if you have MySQL set up on your machine, use that 
instead of the default SQLite, and you'll see a nice performance boost.


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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Mark Wieder]

Colin-

Saturday, October 25, 2014, 11:27:39 AM, you wrote:

> Part of that article is to do with Spotlight. Are you sure you
> don’t have Spotlight set up to index the backup drive?

Well, that's special.
While I have the Untitled backup drive removed from Spotlight,
apparently Spotlight still has hold of the Time Machine folder on that
drive, /Volumes/Untitled/Backups.backupdb. And no matter what I do, I
can't seem to tell it not to index that folder. It always shows up in
the status as Indexing enabled. And killing the mds process doesn't
help because it springs right up again, possibly because Time Machine
is resurrecting it for its own use.

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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Mark Wieder]

Richard-

Saturday, October 25, 2014, 10:59:09 AM, you wrote:

> Have you considered OwnCloud?

Hmmm... thanks for the lead. No, I hadn't. Based on the name I figured
they were just another cloud storage thing. And for a number of
obvious and non-obvious reasons I have no intention of throwing my
files Out There. And while OwnCloud is positioning themselves for an
entirely different use case, I do see that it could be a LAN-only
backup strategy. Seems a shame to have to toss out my NAS, though, and
buy a new machine to replace it.

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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Colin Holgate]

Part of that article is to do with Spotlight. Are you sure you don’t have 
Spotlight set up to index the backup drive?


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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Mark Wieder]

Colin-

Saturday, October 25, 2014, 10:52:21 AM, you wrote:

> See if this article helps with the time it takes to do TM backups:

Thanks. I had high hopes for that, but unfortunately that's not what I
see. I do see things like

10:00:36 AM com.apple.backupd Starting standard backup
10:00:37 AM com.apple.backupd Backing up to /Volumes/Untitled/backupdb
10:06:37 AM com.apple.backupd No backup pre-thinning needed
11:00:39 AM com.apple.backupd Copied 64kb of 24.5MB, 158 of 158 items

and it seems to me that an hour is a long time to copy 64k, or even to
copy 158 files.

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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Mark Wieder I'm thinking of switching over to Dolly Drive (for
> local storage only, not cloud), so I'd welcome any comments
> yea or nay that anyone has on that.

Have you considered OwnCloud?  Space limited only by your hard drive 
budget, total control, native sync clients for Mac, Win and Linux, and 
pretty fast syncing if you choose the MySQL setup option.


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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Mark Wieder]

Andrew-

Friday, October 24, 2014, 10:18:24 PM, you wrote:

> Dropbox and backup suggestions aside, I can't help but feel 7.0 was not
> ready for primetime. My experience has been giant standalones to cater to
> features I don't use, and lackluster performance.

I hear what you're saying, and I'm not disagreeing, but... we're
almost 15 years into the 21st century, and certain features are
absolutely necessary now. Unicode text, the Carbon-to-Cocoa
refactoring, etc, are no longer nice-to-haves. I'd like some more
flexibility in what libraries are included in standalones in order to
cut down on the size of apps, and maybe that will come in time, but
I'd like more flexibility in where my tax dollars go, and I'm not
holding my breath for that one either.

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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Colin Holgate]

See if this article helps with the time it takes to do TM backups:

http://mactips.dwhoard.com/mactips/other-applications/time-machine-slow 



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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Richard Gaskin]

Peter Haworth wrote:

> I use Time machine for local backups and all my LC dev files are
> on Google Drive so I feel pretty comfortable with recovering any
> stack files I need.

That redundancy is probably a good idea.  Backup services fail, media 
fails, all sorts of things can happen.


Here I mix Time Machine, OwnCloud, and a rotating set of USB3 drives 
that go home with me for an embarrassingly large number of redundant 
archives, but at least I sleep well at night.



> There's another level of recovery I made available in
> lcStackBrowser.  It's not made for backups per se, more in the way
> of keeping temporary versions of a stack while you're working on it.
>  I called them checkpoints rather than backups for that reason.

Pretty cool.

I only recently discovered the saveStackRequest message, and this has me 
thinking about using that in a plugin frontScript to automatically 
trigger rsync so I can copy versions to other backup drives super-fast.


If I get some time to make a usable version of that I'll share it, but 
it's easy enough to make one from scratch (not much code involved).  The 
hardest part is setting up shared SSH keys between machines if you need 
to sync across the network, but even that takes only a minute once 
you've done it a couple times.


For any of you who haven't yet set up shared keys, John Craig posted a 
nice tutorial on that in the forums:



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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Mark Wieder]

Colin-

Saturday, October 25, 2014, 6:11:57 AM, you wrote:

> I have in the past disliked Time Machine. In those days I had a
> regular hard drive, and it seemed sometimes that it would take the
> full hour to backup, meaning that it was backing up continuously,
> and noticeably affecting the responsiveness of the system while it
> was doing that. Now I use SSD (though with a regular HD as the
> backup drive), and I’m barely aware of the backups happening.

Yeah, that's exactly my beef with TM - the backup drive is chugging
along continuously, and the backups never end no matter how many
exceptions I put into the folder list. But it's the backup drive
that's running continuously, not the mac's disk. I think it's the
process of removing old artifacts and replacing them with new ones
that's taking all the time. I'm thinking of switching over to Dolly
Drive (for local storage only, not cloud), so I'd welcome any comments
yea or nay that anyone has on that.

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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Peter Haworth]

I use Time machine for local backups and all my LC dev files are on Google
Drive so I feel pretty comfortable with recovering any stack files I need.

There's another level of recovery I made available in lcStackBrowser.  It's
not made for backups per se, more in the way of keeping temporary versions
of a stack while you're working on it.  I called them checkpoints rather
than backups for that reason.

For example, I can save a version of a stack right before I start making
major changes to it, along with a comment as to why I made it.
 lcStackBrowser displays an icon next to stacks that have checkpoints and
shows me a list of them along with the date and time and any associated
comment.  So if I decide I don't want to proceed with my changes or just
that I need to take a different approach, I can simply rollback to my
checkpoint.

Another way I use them is to automatically make a checkpoint every time I
save the file, with or without a comment.  I've learned the hard way that
it's a good idea to do frequent saves in LC!  So if I get a hard hang in
LC, perhaps because of an error in a modal stack, I can quit LC, restart
and rollback to the last working checkpoint.

Many other checkpoint options too, like automatic checkpoints every n
minutes.

Pete
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Home of lcStackBrowser  and
SQLiteAdmin 

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Colin Holgate  wrote:

> Solutions like dropbox are good, but would either need you to manually
> back things up, or maybe an Automator script to copy important files over.
> With Time Machine I have a less than one hour old backup of any file I
> might need, not just the ones that I think I will need, or remembered to
> copy somewhere else.
>
> I solved the issue of having the backup drive at home by having a matching
> drive at the office. So, in addition to having a one hour old backup with
> me, I have a less than a day old backup in another location.
>
>
> > On Oct 24, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Bob Sneidar 
> wrote:
> >
> > Very good suggestion. I do have a time machine backup, but it is not in
> the office, it is at home so I can lose a days worth of changes that way. I
> will look into that.
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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Colin Holgate]

I have in the past disliked Time Machine. In those days I had a regular hard 
drive, and it seemed sometimes that it would take the full hour to backup, 
meaning that it was backing up continuously, and noticeably affecting the 
responsiveness of the system while it was doing that. Now I use SSD (though 
with a regular HD as the backup drive), and I’m barely aware of the backups 
happening.


> On Oct 24, 2014, at 11:35 PM, Mark Wieder  wrote:
> 
> >And this completely outside of any other backup strategy. I use (and
> hate) time machine, and I rsync my linux box to my NAS.

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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Andrew Kluthe]

Dropbox and backup suggestions aside, I can't help but feel 7.0 was not
ready for primetime. My experience has been giant standalones to cater to
features I don't use, and lackluster performance. I know others will
disagree but I devoted the last four to five years to livecode and come out
disappointed with 'next-gen' livecode. Maybe that will change with 8.0 but
that's quite a bit of hedging my bets.

We'll see.

On Oct 24, 2014 10:38 PM, "Mark Wieder"  wrote:
>
> Colin-
>
> Friday, October 24, 2014, 7:42:19 PM, you wrote:
>
> > I understand how the folder synching works, but in my case I have
> > a 750 GB SSD that may well have many gigabytes of stuff that I don t
> > want to lose. Having that backed up to an external 2TB drive every
> > hour gives me some security.
>
> Um. Right. I wouldn't suggest throwing *everything* into a Dropbox
> folder, but I put anything I'm currently working on into Dropbox and
> it transparently makes backup copies for me. They're there when I
> need them. Afterwards I move them out of Dropbox for archiving.
>
> And this completely outside of any other backup strategy. I use (and
> hate) time machine, and I rsync my linux box to my NAS.
>
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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Mark Wieder]

Colin-

Friday, October 24, 2014, 7:42:19 PM, you wrote:

> I understand how the folder synching works, but in my case I have
> a 750 GB SSD that may well have many gigabytes of stuff that I don’t
> want to lose. Having that backed up to an external 2TB drive every
> hour gives me some security.

Um. Right. I wouldn't suggest throwing *everything* into a Dropbox
folder, but I put anything I'm currently working on into Dropbox and
it transparently makes backup copies for me. They're there when I
need them. Afterwards I move them out of Dropbox for archiving.

And this completely outside of any other backup strategy. I use (and
hate) time machine, and I rsync my linux box to my NAS.

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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Colin Holgate]

I understand how the folder synching works, but in my case I have a 750 GB SSD 
that may well have many gigabytes of stuff that I don’t want to lose. Having 
that backed up to an external 2TB drive every hour gives me some security.

 
> On Oct 24, 2014, at 10:11 PM, Mark Wieder  wrote:
> 
> Au contraire. Dropbox keeps old versions for up to 30 days
> automatically. 

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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Mark Wieder]

Colin-

Friday, October 24, 2014, 8:01:56 AM, you wrote:

> Solutions like dropbox are good, but would either need you to
> manually back things up, or maybe an Automator script to copy
> important files over.

Au contraire. Dropbox keeps old versions for up to 30 days
automatically. I don't know the frequency and I'm too lazy to look it
up, but it's saved my bacon more times than several. Without my having
to do any scripting or making backup versions or anything like that.

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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Richard Gaskin]

Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Testing developer releases and release candidates is not high
> on my priority, but given my recent experience, maybe it should
> be. :-)

For me it's made the work more fun.

With any final release, at the moment it's done it's effectively dead, a 
static thing that no longer undergoes any change.


But the pre-release versions feel more alive.  If I come across 
something that isn't quite right I can drop a bug report on it, and most 
of the time these days I get a confirmation within hours and a fix 
within days.


It also feels more social:  when I get Hanson's confirmation I know I'm 
not too crazy now that he can reproduce it, and I often get interesting 
insights into the engine from Ali or Mark or others on the team.


I generally ship using final releases, but over the last year I've 
started using pre-release versions exclusively for day-to-day work.


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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Bob Sneidar]

Truth is, I develop side projects. It’s never actually been my job description, 
although my employers have been happy to use what I produce! :-)

What I develop is primarily for my own use and convenience. I wish I were more 
productive in this regard, but after all I have a full time job, during which I 
can squeeze in some development time. Otherwise everything is done on my own 
time. Because of that, I am very stingy with how I use the time I have. Testing 
developer releases and release candidates is not high on my priority, but given 
my recent experience, maybe it should be. :-)

I will however be making backups from now on before working with new releases 
of any kind.

Bob S


On Oct 24, 2014, at 08:52 , Richard Gaskin 
mailto:ambassa...@fourthworld.com>> wrote:

That's true for those versions you intend to never use. :)

LC is very flexible, and we all do different things with it, so if we want to 
ensure a given version will support the work we want to do with it we'll need 
to do our work in that version during testing.

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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Bob Sneidar]

After V7 upgrade, but before the crash.

Bob S


On Oct 24, 2014, at 08:52 , Richard Gaskin 
mailto:ambassa...@fourthworld.com>> wrote:

When you say "other things going wrong before that", do you mean before the 
crash or before v7?

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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Richard Gaskin]

Bob Sneidar wrote:
> I never test the RC versions or the Dev releases. Since I do
> not produce commercial apps, I don’t have the need to test
> for compatibility.

That's true for those versions you intend to never use. :)

LC is very flexible, and we all do different things with it, so if we 
want to ensure a given version will support the work we want to do with 
it we'll need to do our work in that version during testing.



> There were other things going wrong before that. The app did not
> run the way it should. I have a database setup card I go to that
> is designed to make a connection with either or both of two
> databases, and that wasn’t working correctly, but I *am* using
> sqlYoga and I am not sure if I need to be using a 7.0 converted
> version of that library. Also, when I went to the database setup
> card, at times although not always, my buttons looked like square
> gray boxes with no labels and the buttons did not work. Very odd.

When you say "other things going wrong before that", do you mean before 
the crash or before v7?


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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Mark Schonewille]

I keep all my projects on Time Machine, but current projects are also on 
Dropbox, which I often use to share work with customers. File that are 
in Dropbox are automatically updated when you change them. There is no 
need to update them manually.


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On 10/24/2014 17:01, Colin Holgate wrote:

Solutions like dropbox are good, but would either need you to manually back 
things up, or maybe an Automator script to copy important files over. With Time 
Machine I have a less than one hour old backup of any file I might need, not 
just the ones that I think I will need, or remembered to copy somewhere else.

I solved the issue of having the backup drive at home by having a matching 
drive at the office. So, in addition to having a one hour old backup with me, I 
have a less than a day old backup in another location.



On Oct 24, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:

Very good suggestion. I do have a time machine backup, but it is not in the 
office, it is at home so I can lose a days worth of changes that way. I will 
look into that.


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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Colin Holgate]

Solutions like dropbox are good, but would either need you to manually back 
things up, or maybe an Automator script to copy important files over. With Time 
Machine I have a less than one hour old backup of any file I might need, not 
just the ones that I think I will need, or remembered to copy somewhere else.

I solved the issue of having the backup drive at home by having a matching 
drive at the office. So, in addition to having a one hour old backup with me, I 
have a less than a day old backup in another location.


> On Oct 24, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
> Very good suggestion. I do have a time machine backup, but it is not in the 
> office, it is at home so I can lose a days worth of changes that way. I will 
> look into that. 

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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Trevor DeVore]

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Bob Sneidar 
wrote:

> ... but I *am* using sqlYoga and I am not sure if I need to be using a 7.0
> converted version of that library.


SQL Yoga should behave well with 7.0 gm-1. In prior versions of 7.0 there
were some backwards compatibility issues that broke SQL Yoga.

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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Bob Sneidar]

Very good suggestion. I do have a time machine backup, but it is not in the 
office, it is at home so I can lose a days worth of changes that way. I will 
look into that. 

Bob S


> On Oct 23, 2014, at 17:05 , Pi Digital  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob
> 
> I would like to recommend to you using Dropbox and putting your stacks into 
> its folders. This has saved me no end of times as it holds many previous 
> versions of your files as backups. I now have a premium subscription and get 
> infinite version backups and remembers even if I change file names, 
> accidentally delete them or move them to another location. It's a modern 
> marvel. It even blows the socks off Apple's TimeMachine. Plus I can get to 
> the files from any of my machines and remotely too. 
> 
> Glad to hear you were able to restore it somehow anyway. 
> 
> All the best 
> 
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital
> 
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> 
>> On 24 Oct 2014, at 00:23, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. 
>> 
>> Well I upgraded to version 7.0.0. I opened a stack I have been working on, 
>> but it started misbehaving. I just had it open and running in version 6.6.4. 
>> In the process of trying to see where things were going wrong, version 7.0.0 
>> unexpectedly quit. Now the stack is corrupted and UNUSABLE! Yes, I said 
>> unusable. 
>> 
>> Now I suppose I should have backed it up before opening the stack in 7.0. I 
>> didn’t. Now I have lost several days of work. Is there any means of opening 
>> this stack and at least getting the scripts of the objects out?
>> 
>> Bob S
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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Bob Sneidar]

I figured you might want a copy so I saved it. Do you also need the sqlYoga 
library I use? I suppose you can just use the public release. I will need to 
send along a copy of the sqLite database I use with it. The whole app depends 
on the database of course. 

Bob S


> On Oct 23, 2014, at 16:49 , Benjamin Beaumont  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob.
> 
> I'm sorry you experienced in issue. We've not had any reports of stack
> corruptions in 7 for some months. We'd be very keen to get a copy of the
> corrupted stack and the working format to see if we can work out what
> happened. If you'd be happy to share the stack, please sent it privately to
> qual...@livecode.com and we'll investigate.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Ben
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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Bob Sneidar]

I never test the RC versions or the Dev releases. Since I do not produce 
commercial apps, I don’t have the need to test for compatibility. There were 
other things going wrong before that. The app did not run the way it should. I 
have a database setup card I go to that is designed to make a connection with 
either or both of two databases, and that wasn’t working correctly, but I *am* 
using sqlYoga and I am not sure if I need to be using a 7.0 converted version 
of that library. Also, when I went to the database setup card, at times 
although not always, my buttons looked like square gray boxes with no labels 
and the buttons did not work. Very odd.

Bob S


On Oct 23, 2014, at 16:39 , Richard Gaskin 
mailto:ambassa...@fourthworld.com>> wrote:

Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Well I upgraded to version 7.0.0. I opened a stack I have been
> working on, but it started misbehaving. I just had it open and
> running in version 6.6.4. In the process of trying to see where
> things were going wrong, version 7.0.0 unexpectedly quit.

How did this behavior in 7.0 Stable differ from your testing in the 7.0 RC 
versions?

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RE: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Éric Miclo]

Hello,

Sorry Ben, but you’re wrong.
Take a look at bug #13554 (stack corruption).
It has been marked as a duplicate of bug #13593 (gradient disappearing - don’t 
know why a stack corruption is a duplicate of this one).

And what’s really funny: neither the first or the second one has been fixed for 
the stable version release!

So, LiveCode 7 corrupts stacks and RunRev releases stable versions without 
fixing such bugs.

How is that serious?

Investigating such bugs is not enough.
I’ve already lost hours of work due to that problem and stopped development 
because of it. And I see that I can’t restart because the bug is still around 
in a stable release.

ÉrIC

> -- Original Message --
> De: Benjamin Beaumont 
> Objet: Rép : The Bearer Of Bad News
> Date: 24 octobre 2014 02:49:27 UTC+3
> À: How to use LiveCode 
> 
> Hi Bob.
> 
> I'm sorry you experienced in issue. We've not had any reports of stack
> corruptions in 7 for some months. We'd be very keen to get a copy of the
> corrupted stack and the working format to see if we can work out what
> happened. If you'd be happy to share the stack, please sent it privately to
> qual...@livecode.com and we'll investigate.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Ben
> 
> On Friday, October 24, 2014, Richard Gaskin 
> wrote:
> 
>> Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> 
>>> Well I upgraded to version 7.0.0. I opened a stack I have been
>>> working on, but it started misbehaving. I just had it open and
>>> running in version 6.6.4. In the process of trying to see where
>>> things were going wrong, version 7.0.0 unexpectedly quit.
>> 
>> How did this behavior in 7.0 Stable differ from your testing in the 7.0 RC
>> versions?
>> 
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>> Fourth World Systems
>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>> 
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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Pi Digital]

Hi Bob

I would like to recommend to you using Dropbox and putting your stacks into its 
folders. This has saved me no end of times as it holds many previous versions 
of your files as backups. I now have a premium subscription and get infinite 
version backups and remembers even if I change file names, accidentally delete 
them or move them to another location. It's a modern marvel. It even blows the 
socks off Apple's TimeMachine. Plus I can get to the files from any of my 
machines and remotely too. 

Glad to hear you were able to restore it somehow anyway. 

All the best 

Sean Cole
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> On 24 Oct 2014, at 00:23, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> Well I upgraded to version 7.0.0. I opened a stack I have been working on, 
> but it started misbehaving. I just had it open and running in version 6.6.4. 
> In the process of trying to see where things were going wrong, version 7.0.0 
> unexpectedly quit. Now the stack is corrupted and UNUSABLE! Yes, I said 
> unusable. 
> 
> Now I suppose I should have backed it up before opening the stack in 7.0. I 
> didn’t. Now I have lost several days of work. Is there any means of opening 
> this stack and at least getting the scripts of the objects out?
> 
> Bob S
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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Benjamin Beaumont]

Hi Bob.

I'm sorry you experienced in issue. We've not had any reports of stack
corruptions in 7 for some months. We'd be very keen to get a copy of the
corrupted stack and the working format to see if we can work out what
happened. If you'd be happy to share the stack, please sent it privately to
qual...@livecode.com and we'll investigate.

Warm regards,

Ben

On Friday, October 24, 2014, Richard Gaskin 
wrote:

> Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
> > Well I upgraded to version 7.0.0. I opened a stack I have been
> > working on, but it started misbehaving. I just had it open and
> > running in version 6.6.4. In the process of trying to see where
> > things were going wrong, version 7.0.0 unexpectedly quit.
>
> How did this behavior in 7.0 Stable differ from your testing in the 7.0 RC
> versions?
>
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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Richard Gaskin]

Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Well I upgraded to version 7.0.0. I opened a stack I have been
> working on, but it started misbehaving. I just had it open and
> running in version 6.6.4. In the process of trying to see where
> things were going wrong, version 7.0.0 unexpectedly quit.

How did this behavior in 7.0 Stable differ from your testing in the 7.0 
RC versions?


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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Bob Sneidar]

NVM I discovered there is a file of the same name ending in a tilde (~) which 
is a backup of the corrupted file. I was able to open it in 7.0 and save in the 
last legacy format. Unsure what happened initially, but I will be keeping a 
copy of the old stack intact for a while before migrating to 7.0

Bob S


> On Oct 23, 2014, at 16:23 , Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> Well I upgraded to version 7.0.0. I opened a stack I have been working on, 
> but it started misbehaving. I just had it open and running in version 6.6.4. 
> In the process of trying to see where things were going wrong, version 7.0.0 
> unexpectedly quit. Now the stack is corrupted and UNUSABLE! Yes, I said 
> unusable. 
> 
> Now I suppose I should have backed it up before opening the stack in 7.0. I 
> didn’t. Now I have lost several days of work. Is there any means of opening 
> this stack and at least getting the scripts of the objects out?
> 
> Bob S
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Re: The Bearer Of Bad News

[Colin Holgate]

I don’t suppose you use a Mac with Time Machine running do you? If you are you 
can retrieve a copy from an hour ago.
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The Bearer Of Bad News

[Bob Sneidar]

Hi all. 

Well I upgraded to version 7.0.0. I opened a stack I have been working on, but 
it started misbehaving. I just had it open and running in version 6.6.4. In the 
process of trying to see where things were going wrong, version 7.0.0 
unexpectedly quit. Now the stack is corrupted and UNUSABLE! Yes, I said 
unusable. 

Now I suppose I should have backed it up before opening the stack in 7.0. I 
didn’t. Now I have lost several days of work. Is there any means of opening 
this stack and at least getting the scripts of the objects out?

Bob S
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