Font menu button problems
Hi All, I want to have a menu button in a preferences stack that allow font selection. I always prefer the look of option menus, so that's what I started with. I populate the menu on mouseDown and find the current font setting. So far, so good. Now I want to do 2 things: add a check mark to the selected font, and set the scroll so that the menu pops up with the current choice already under the mouse pointer. Here's what happens with the various types of menu button: option menu: no check mark, just !c before the relevant line, but it does scroll to the right line. cascade: check mark, but no scroll, and it looks weird. combo box: no check mark, no scroll popup: check mark, no scroll pulldown: check mark, no scroll So is there any way to get both the things I need? I am setting the scroll using the menuHistory, but maybe there is another method. Or does anyone know how to get a check mark into an option menu? This check mark problem in option menus was bugzilla'd by Richard Gaskin in 2007, with a comment from Mark Waddingham in 2008 saying that this feature should be added. I went to vote http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5478 and found that it already had 5 votes from me, so I have obviously been down this road before :-( Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fit Content
On 17/03/2010 22:06, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Richard. The formattedWidth gives you an entry to this... Craig Newman Thanks. Who is Richard? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to generate a runnable Mac standalone from Windows
Does this work? get chmod u+x tPathToYourFile get shell(it) Cheers, Josh On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:17 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: I'm writing an installer and would like to give our customers the option of installing both Mac and Win versions on a portable drive, such as a USB flash drive. I can store the app bundle parts in custom props and spit them back out as needed, no prob. The issue is that the Mac executable within the bundle needs to have its Unix permissions set to executable, something that AFAIK can't be done from within Windows. As a workaround based on an earlier related discussion here, I'm considering storing a zipped copy of the Mac app bundle, and spitting that zip file out with an instruction for the user to unzip it on OS X before running it there. But that's a lot of hassle for them and many users will just get confused. It'd be much nicer to be able to spit out a working Mac app bundle - but how can I do that from Windows? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ ambassa...@fourthworld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Font menu button problems
Recently, Sarah Reichelt wrote: Now I want to do 2 things: add a check mark to the selected font, and set the scroll so that the menu pops up with the current choice already under the mouse pointer. ... So is there any way to get both the things I need? I am setting the scroll using the menuHistory, but maybe there is another method. Or does anyone know how to get a check mark into an option menu? Hey Sarah, I recently fought some battles with menus myself, so I share your pain. Sorry I don't have an immediate solution for you, but when I was looking through the docs I came across the 'option' and 'pulldown' commands to treat stacks a menus (I knew about 'popup' but never knew about the other two). Perhaps a substack with a font list triggered by one of the above commands could work for you? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: How to generate a runnable Mac standalone from Windows
Hi Richard, beeing for a long time only a windows user and developer I totally agree to your arcticle that DMGs can be very confusing. Since I had no experience with Mac, when I started to develop my latest product also for Mac, I asked here on this list how to make an installer for Mac, and everybody taught me, that I don't need an installer, Mac users are used to use DMGs and thats so easy. So I followed the advice and thought, hmm, ok probably it's my old fashioned and not state of the art windows thinking, that I (and some of my customers too) still feel confused and not intuitively guided to my App. But just the intuitive operating should be the strength of the Mac, shouldn't it be? I would like to have an easy installer on Mac, like InnoSetup on Win. My 2 Win cents Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Richard Gaskin Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. März 2010 20:16 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: How to generate a runnable Mac standalone from Windows Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: ... As a workaround based on an earlier related discussion here, I'm considering storing a zipped copy of the Mac app bundle, and spitting that zip file out with an instruction for the user to unzip it on OS X before running it there. But that's a lot of hassle for them and many users will just get confused. It'd be much nicer to be able to spit out a working Mac app bundle - but how can I do that from Windows? DMG ? Thank you Scott and Lyn for the suggestion, but for our needs that still requires some intermediate file as with our Zip workaround. The upside to Zip is that it makes a decompressed copy in the same folder on the USB drive, runnable in place and we can then delete the Zip when our app runs. With a DMG the user has to figure out why they have a new volume on their Mac desktop (you'd be surprised by how many users find DMGs confusing (see the links at the bottom of http://revjournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1261255254.58153). For now we'll go with a Zip, but it says a lot about the Mac-centric Rev community that not being able to make runnable Mac apps from Windows isn't a big issue (yet). Given the Mac's Unix requirement of setting the executable bit I don't think there's a way around it. It's just hard to imagine that every RevStudio for Windows user logs into terminal on their Mac and chmods their Mac standalones to make them runnable; maybe there just aren't that many Rev folks with a Windows license deploying to Mac OS. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to generate a runnable Mac standalone from Windows
How do you run chmod from Windows? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com Josh Mellicker wrote: Does this work? get chmod u+x tPathToYourFile get shell(it) Cheers, Josh On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:17 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassador at fourthworld.com wrote: I'm writing an installer and would like to give our customers the option of installing both Mac and Win versions on a portable drive, such as a USB flash drive. I can store the app bundle parts in custom props and spit them back out as needed, no prob. The issue is that the Mac executable within the bundle needs to have its Unix permissions set to executable, something that AFAIK can't be done from within Windows. As a workaround based on an earlier related discussion here, I'm considering storing a zipped copy of the Mac app bundle, and spitting that zip file out with an instruction for the user to unzip it on OS X before running it there. But that's a lot of hassle for them and many users will just get confused. It'd be much nicer to be able to spit out a working Mac app bundle - but how can I do that from Windows? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Font menu button problems
On 18/03/2010 08:07, Sarah Reichelt wrote: Hi All, I want to have a menu button in a preferences stack that allow font selection. I always prefer the look of option menus, so that's what I started with. I populate the menu on mouseDown and find the current font setting. So far, so good. Now I want to do 2 things: add a check mark to the selected font, and set the scroll so that the menu pops up with the current choice already under the mouse pointer. Here's what happens with the various types of menu button: option menu: no check mark, just !c before the relevant line, but it does scroll to the right line. cascade: check mark, but no scroll, and it looks weird. combo box: no check mark, no scroll popup: check mark, no scroll pulldown: check mark, no scroll So is there any way to get both the things I need? I am setting the scroll using the menuHistory, but maybe there is another method. Or does anyone know how to get a check mark into an option menu? This check mark problem in option menus was bugzilla'd by Richard Gaskin in 2007, with a comment from Mark Waddingham in 2008 saying that this feature should be added. I went to votehttp://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5478 and found that it already had 5 votes from me, so I have obviously been down this road before :-( Cheers, Sarah Ugh! I have been getting extremely cheesed-off for the better part of my lunch break with this one (well, at least it will help me get some of those extra pounds off my tum . . . ) as put the obvious script in a drop-down menu already populated with fontNames: on menuPick PICKT put # PICKT into PHONT end menuPick now, cannot for the life of me put PHONT back into place in the menu button must be bl**dy silly really. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: How to generate a runnable Mac standalone from Windows
Tiemo Hollmann wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: With a DMG the user has to figure out why they have a new volume on their Mac desktop (you'd be surprised by how many users find DMGs confusing (see the links at the bottom of http://revjournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1261255254.58153). Hi Richard, beeing for a long time only a windows user and developer I totally agree to your arcticle that DMGs can be very confusing. Since I had no experience with Mac, when I started to develop my latest product also for Mac, I asked here on this list how to make an installer for Mac, and everybody taught me, that I don't need an installer, Mac users are used to use DMGs and that’s so easy. So I followed the advice and thought, hmm, ok probably it's my old fashioned and not state of the art windows thinking, that I (and some of my customers too) still feel confused and not intuitively guided to my App. But just the intuitive operating should be the strength of the Mac, shouldn't it be? DMGs are great for many things, but I think for installs they've become as overused as XML is for so many tasks it isn't the best choice for. A lot of these things are driven by fashion, the cool factor that people see and say, Hey, I want to do that too!. Apple's been telling us to Think Different for so long that we no longer notice that the phrase itself is grammatically incorrect. ;) While I haven't yet come across any formal usability studies on using disk images as installers (if anyone here finds one please pass it along), my own anecdotal evidence suggests that they're a good fit mainly for more experienced Mac users, but for the reasons noted in the links at that blog entry tend to confuse many others. I would like to have an easy installer on Mac, like InnoSetup on Win. My 2 Win cents With 80+% of the market, 2 Win cents = a Mac dollar. :) Have you tried Monte Goulding's install tool?: http://www.sweattechnologies.com/InstallGadget/ -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fit Content
Richmond. I have done this before, I think. It is a problem with my brain. Craig In a message dated 3/18/10 2:16:52 AM, richmondmathew...@gmail.com writes: Who is Richard? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution Standalone + Norton Internet Security
Sorry, but I'm not in Vista at the moment, I'm in Ubuntu so I can't walk you through this exactly, but Norton has a whitelist feature built right into the clients. We use it for a variety of third-party applications that we run. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Font menu button problems
Sarah. This seems like a Rube Goldberg tinkering mess, but: on menuPick put the menuHistory of me into tLine replace • with empty in me put • before line tLine of me lock messages select line tLine of me end menuPick I used • because I like it. Craig Newman ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to generate a runnable Mac standalone from Windows
I didn't check to see if DOS had a chmod command, if it doesn't, the code I posted won't work. On Mar 18, 2010, at 4:09 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: How do you run chmod from Windows? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com Josh Mellicker wrote: Does this work? get chmod u+x tPathToYourFile get shell(it) Cheers, Josh On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:17 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassador at fourthworld.com wrote: I'm writing an installer and would like to give our customers the option of installing both Mac and Win versions on a portable drive, such as a USB flash drive. I can store the app bundle parts in custom props and spit them back out as needed, no prob. The issue is that the Mac executable within the bundle needs to have its Unix permissions set to executable, something that AFAIK can't be done from within Windows. As a workaround based on an earlier related discussion here, I'm considering storing a zipped copy of the Mac app bundle, and spitting that zip file out with an instruction for the user to unzip it on OS X before running it there. But that's a lot of hassle for them and many users will just get confused. It'd be much nicer to be able to spit out a working Mac app bundle - but how can I do that from Windows? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to generate a runnable Mac standalone from Windows
Josh Mellicker wrote: I didn't check to see if DOS had a chmod command, if it doesn't, the code I posted won't work. I don't think it does because neither FAT16 nor NTFS support have any conception of a file mode other than read-only, so there's no mod to ch. In my fantasy world MS would recognize that they're the last major holdout in a world of Unix-based OSes, and provide some sort of glue for compatibly writing to non-NTFS drives. But in that fantasy world MS doesn't hold a majority marketshare either, which in the real world provides them the momentary luxury of assuming they don't need to play nice with the standards that drive the rest of the world. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv On Mar 18, 2010, at 4:09 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassador at fourthworld.com wrote: How do you run chmod from Windows? Josh Mellicker wrote: Does this work? get chmod u+x tPathToYourFile get shell(it) Cheers, Josh On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:17 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassador at fourthworld.com wrote: I'm writing an installer and would like to give our customers the option of installing both Mac and Win versions on a portable drive, such as a USB flash drive. I can store the app bundle parts in custom props and spit them back out as needed, no prob. The issue is that the Mac executable within the bundle needs to have its Unix permissions set to executable, something that AFAIK can't be done from within Windows. As a workaround based on an earlier related discussion here, I'm considering storing a zipped copy of the Mac app bundle, and spitting that zip file out with an instruction for the user to unzip it on OS X before running it there. But that's a lot of hassle for them and many users will just get confused. It'd be much nicer to be able to spit out a working Mac app bundle - but how can I do that from Windows? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: How to generate a runnable Mac standalone from Windows
I use Monte's InstallGadget for the initial InfoWallet installer on both Mac and Windows. The Windows version is fantastic but the Mac version is very basic. I still use the Windows version but have switched to DMG Canvas (http://www.araelium.com/dmgcanvas/) for my current Mac installer. Bill Vlahos _ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On Mar 18, 2010, at 6:14 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Have you tried Monte Goulding's install tool?: http://www.sweattechnologies.com/InstallGadget/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: How to generate a runnable Mac standalone from Windows
Thanks for the link, didn't knew that yet Tiemo Have you tried Monte Goulding's install tool?: http://www.sweattechnologies.com/InstallGadget/ -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fit Content
On 18/03/2010 15:26, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Richmond. I have done this before, I think. It is a problem with my brain. Craig In a message dated 3/18/10 2:16:52 AM, richmondmathew...@gmail.com writes: Who is Richard? ___ 'Crag', we all have problems with our brains, and, when it comes down to it being called 'Richard', 'Fishface' or something else is less important that ending up with a load of dud code . . . :) Love, Fishface. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: AW: How to generate a runnable Mac standalone from Windows
Hi Bill, but DMG Canvas is a DMG maker, not an installer - right? Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Bill Vlahos Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. März 2010 16:25 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: AW: How to generate a runnable Mac standalone from Windows I use Monte's InstallGadget for the initial InfoWallet installer on both Mac and Windows. The Windows version is fantastic but the Mac version is very basic. I still use the Windows version but have switched to DMG Canvas (http://www.araelium.com/dmgcanvas/) for my current Mac installer. Bill Vlahos _ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On Mar 18, 2010, at 6:14 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Have you tried Monte Goulding's install tool?: http://www.sweattechnologies.com/InstallGadget/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Re: AW: AW: How to generate a runnable Mac standalone from Windows
Technically yes. But the install for most Mac applications is simply to drag copy the application itself or a folder to the desired location. This is usually the Applications folder but my program can run from a USB drive, the desktop, or any other area the user wants. Bill Vlahos _ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On Mar 18, 2010, at 8:35 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Hi Bill, but DMG Canvas is a DMG maker, not an installer - right? Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Bill Vlahos Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. März 2010 16:25 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: AW: How to generate a runnable Mac standalone from Windows I use Monte's InstallGadget for the initial InfoWallet installer on both Mac and Windows. The Windows version is fantastic but the Mac version is very basic. I still use the Windows version but have switched to DMG Canvas (http://www.araelium.com/dmgcanvas/) for my current Mac installer. Bill Vlahos _ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On Mar 18, 2010, at 6:14 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Have you tried Monte Goulding's install tool?: http://www.sweattechnologies.com/InstallGadget/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: How to generate a runnable Mac standalone from Windows
From: Josh Mellicker I didn't check to see if DOS had a chmod command, if it doesn't, the code I posted won't work. There is no execution permission bit in Windows that needs to be set, so skip that line if the platform is Win32. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paulmailto:pdero...@ix.netcom.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: AW: How to generate a runnable Mac standalone from Windows
On 18/03/2010 18:18, Bill Vlahos wrote: Technically yes. But the install for most Mac applications is simply to drag copy the application itself or a folder to the desired location. This is usually the Applications folder but my program can run from a USB drive, the desktop, or any other area the user wants. My Devawriter (Windows and Macintosh versions alike) can work from wherever they are unzipped or dragged - doesn't really matter. So far I have tried them on the desktops, on a USB drive, on a USB external hard drive, and (for Mac) on a Firewire external hard drive; have also run the Windows version on my headless Windows XP box while the program was sitting on an HFS+ volume on the PPC Mac! This was NOT crafty programming on my part; this is just the way RunRev 4 rolled up the stacks into standalones. So . . . this whole discussion seems a bit unnecessary . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: AW: How to generate a runnable Mac standalone from Windows
I've found that most Windows users not only expect to use an installer they are lost without one. The blank stares you get from a Windows user when you say, Just copy the file and open it are precious. Bill Vlahos _ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 18/03/2010 18:18, Bill Vlahos wrote: Technically yes. But the install for most Mac applications is simply to drag copy the application itself or a folder to the desired location. This is usually the Applications folder but my program can run from a USB drive, the desktop, or any other area the user wants. My Devawriter (Windows and Macintosh versions alike) can work from wherever they are unzipped or dragged - doesn't really matter. So far I have tried them on the desktops, on a USB drive, on a USB external hard drive, and (for Mac) on a Firewire external hard drive; have also run the Windows version on my headless Windows XP box while the program was sitting on an HFS+ volume on the PPC Mac! This was NOT crafty programming on my part; this is just the way RunRev 4 rolled up the stacks into standalones. So . . . this whole discussion seems a bit unnecessary . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fit Content
dunb...@aol.com wrote: Richmond. I have done this before, I think. It is a problem with my brain. I've been dying for a chance to quote this tagline I saw recently: I can't brain today, I've got the dumb. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Popup location and direction
Is there any way to force a popup to go in a certain direction? For example, if I have a popup button at the bottom of a stack, I'd like it to always appear above the popup button. Jeff M.___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Popup location and direction
From the docs:
* popup {stack | button} [at location]*
On 18 March 2010 12:14, Jeffrey Massung mass...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there any way to force a popup to go in a certain direction? For
example, if I have a popup button at the bottom of a stack, I'd like it to
always appear above the popup button.
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Re: Popup location and direction
On Mar 18, 2010, at 12:27 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
From the docs:
* popup {stack | button} [at location]*
Yes, I know. But that only deals with location, not direction as well. I'd like
the popup to only grow in the up direction or down direction (based on
context) and only extend beyond the Y coordinate in the provided location
assuming the popup was too big for the screen.
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Re: Popup location and direction
There is a constraint when the edge of the screen is nearby. A menu currently with a menuHistory of 1 will still open upward if the popup would otherwise drop below the screenrect. But I think you might have to roll your own; I do not see any property that deals with the direction of travel. I was surprised; in Rev, everything imaginable is already there somewhere. Craig Newman ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Font menu button problems
Hi all, I believe on MacOS the line select is not an issue - it works (?). The issue is on Windows OS, where the previously selected option is not selected. I reported this in BZ some time ago, and a fix has been applied to v4.50 dp3, based on the report here: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8559 HTH, Mark Stuart -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Font-menu-button-problems-tp1597572p1598554.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Win7 Close stack
I noticed that in windows 7 you can close stacks that have the close control removed from the titlebar. Windows 7 groups the items on your task bar together and lets you get little previews of the items in the group on mouseover. It also provides a close button so you can close windows straight from the task bar. Even with the close button taken off or disabled on the title bar, it still allows you to close it this way. If someone closes one of the menu palletes and I didn't have it set to kill the program on the close of one of these, the user would not be able to reopen that menu pallete. Is this a bug in rev or just a feature of win7 (Is there a difference, lol)? This isn't really a problem for me at the moment for my program, but I am attempting to document this behavior for someone who might struggle with it in the future. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Win7-Close-stack-tp1598597p1598597.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Font menu button problems
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:57 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Sarah. This seems like a Rube Goldberg tinkering mess, but: on menuPick put the menuHistory of me into tLine replace • with empty in me put • before line tLine of me lock messages select line tLine of me end menuPick I used • because I like it. Thanks Craig. I tried a similar solution, actually using a check mark (option V on a Mac keyboard), but the problem is that on a normal menu, the check mark is out-dented (is that a word) so that it is much more prominent. But it might still be the best option. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Add file to Custom Property
So I'm getting close on this. The Save file button script seems to work fine. The custom property looks to be encrypted. Button Save File on mouseUp answer file Please select a file... put it into lFileToRead set the itemDelimiter to / answer the last item of lFileToRead -- Read the binary contents of a file into a variable open file lFileToRead for binary read read from file lFileToRead until end close file lFileToRead put it into vFile encrypt it using blowfish with biff at 128 bit set the uFileStore of me to it set the uFileName of me to the last item of lFileToRead end mouseUp The following script doesn't actually save the file but I'm not sure why. Button Save and open file on mouseUp ask file Save file to; with the uFileName of button Save File put the uFileStore of button Save File into vEncryptedFile decrypt vEncryptedFile using blowfish with biff at 128 bit put vEncryptedFile into URL (binfile: it) set the filetype to launch document it end mouseUp Bill Vlahos ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Font menu button problems
Sarah. Tinkering is why I love these things. But when I substitute a checkmark I get a very nice checked menuItem. I don't see how you could find fault with it. Is it that you wanted a much more prominent checkmark? I would challenge outDented in scrabble. Craig In a message dated 3/18/10 5:00:49 PM, sarah.reich...@gmail.com writes: Thanks Craig. I tried a similar solution, actually using a check mark (option V on a Mac keyboard), but the problem is that on a normal menu, the check mark is out-dented (is that a word) so that it is much more prominent. But it might still be the best option. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Add file to Custom Property
Bill- Thursday, March 18, 2010, 2:04:21 PM, you wrote: So I'm getting close on this. The Save file button script seems to work fine. The custom property looks to be encrypted. Button Save File on mouseUp answer file Please select a file... put it into lFileToRead set the itemDelimiter to / answer the last item of lFileToRead -- Read the binary contents of a file into a variable open file lFileToRead for binary read read from file lFileToRead until end close file lFileToRead put it into vFile encrypt it using blowfish with biff at 128 bit set the uFileStore of me to it set the uFileName of me to the last item of lFileToRead end mouseUp The following script doesn't actually save the file but I'm not sure why. Button Save and open file on mouseUp ask file Save file to; with the uFileName of button Save File put the uFileStore of button Save File into vEncryptedFile decrypt vEncryptedFile using blowfish with biff at 128 bit put vEncryptedFile into URL (binfile: it) set the filetype to launch document it end mouseUp I don't trust the it variable enough to do what you're trying to do. The decrypt command is documented as placing the decrypted data into the it variable, so your file specifier is probably getting destroyed in the process. I'd do ask file... if it is not empty then put it into tFilePath end if -- and then put vEncryptedFile into url (binfile: tFilePath) ... launch document tFilePath -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Decode try/catch error return
Hi all, I have seen few times ago that somebody developed a stack that was able to translate Revolution error code to an human understandable message. (like the Rev debugger do), but I am not able to find it anymore, somebody can point me to it? Because 356,0,0,402,-23,477, 90,759,20 449,759,7,402,-23,477, 535,759,1,402,-23,477, is not really understandable :D Kind Regards, Damien Girard Dam-pro, France. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Decode try/catch error return
Damien, http://www.runrev.info/error.html -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new software development projects. Feel free to contact me for a quote. Op 18 mrt 2010, om 22:35 heeft Damien Girard het volgende geschreven: Hi all, I have seen few times ago that somebody developed a stack that was able to translate Revolution error code to an human understandable message. (like the Rev debugger do), but I am not able to find it anymore, somebody can point me to it? Because 356,0,0,402,-23,477, 90,759,20 449,759,7,402,-23,477, 535,759,1,402,-23,477, is not really understandable :D Kind Regards, Damien Girard Dam-pro, France. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Win7 Close stack
On Mar 18, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: If someone closes one of the menu palletes and I didn't have it set to kill the program on the close of one of these, the user would not be able to reopen that menu pallete. Is this a bug in rev or just a feature of win7 (Is there a difference, lol)? In my opinion, this is a UI bug in your app (not a Rev or Win7 issue). Win7 just brought this issue to light. A palette window usually indicates an optional window that can be open or closed. For example, the tools or inspector palette in the Rev IDE. You can close them, but can always get them back easily. Of course, the above assumes you aren't using a palette window for something else, like a download progress window that is meant to prevent the user from doing anything while the download is in progress. If that's the case, I would use the on cloneStack handler in the palette window to perform an implicit cancel or similar operation (assuming it isn't done yet). Jeff M.___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Cursor questions
First, I have a splitter bar I've created that works fine, except in a standalone, the cursor I use (image ID 65) doesn't exist and therefore the app just uses the standard arrow cursor. Any way for me to ensure this cursor ends up in the standalone? Second, is it possible for me to detect that the mouse is over a link and change the cursor to something else (i.e. the hand icon/cursor)? I know there's changes coming w/ 4.5 that look promising. I haven't bothered to download the developer preview as I really don't want to risk is, but if some of these concerns go away with 4.5 and someone can just email me them (instead of breaking NDA on the list), that'd be fine, too. (mass...@gmail.com). Thanks! Jeff M.___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Font menu button problems
Tinkering is why I love these things. I think that's why we are all here - programmers have to be tinkerers at heart :-) But when I substitute a checkmark I get a very nice checked menuItem. I don't see how you could find fault with it. Is it that you wanted a much more prominent checkmark? Have a look at http://www.troz.net/rev/Checkmarks.png to see what I mean. The width of the menu has the space at the left of the text to fit a check mark, so why doesn't it display? it just seems so obvious that it should. I would challenge outDented in scrabble. Yes, me too... but when you look at the pic, you will see that the check mark really is out-dented. Any alternative description gratefully received. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Cursor questions
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Jeffrey Massung mass...@gmail.com wrote: First, I have a splitter bar I've created that works fine, except in a standalone, the cursor I use (image ID 65) doesn't exist and therefore the app just uses the standard arrow cursor. Any way for me to ensure this cursor ends up in the standalone? In the Standalone settings, you can check the box that says to include the cursors. But I prefer to import the cursor myself and reference it directly rather than relying in RunRev not changing the cursor ID or anything else. If you go to the Image library in the Development menu, you can select Cursors and get the ones you need. Second, is it possible for me to detect that the mouse is over a link and change the cursor to something else (i.e. the hand icon/cursor)? I know there's changes coming w/ 4.5 that look promising. I haven't bothered to download the developer preview as I really don't want to risk is, but if some of these concerns go away with 4.5 and someone can just email me them (instead of breaking NDA on the list), that'd be fine, too. (mass...@gmail.com). This doesn't require 4.5, so no NDA conflict here. I put this in a card script and it seems to work fine: on mouseMove if word 1 of the target = field then if the textStyle of the mouseText contains link then lock cursor set the cursor to hand else unlock cursor end if end if pass mouseMove end mouseMove Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Cursor questions
That took about 5 seconds to implement. Thanks, Sarah. Jeff M. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Font menu button problems
Just throwing this out there, I wonder if you can use HTML text in the menu, and then have a tab before every option? Then use a check+tab to mark it. Bob On Mar 18, 2010, at 3:49 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: Tinkering is why I love these things. I think that's why we are all here - programmers have to be tinkerers at heart :-) But when I substitute a checkmark I get a very nice checked menuItem. I don't see how you could find fault with it. Is it that you wanted a much more prominent checkmark? Have a look at http://www.troz.net/rev/Checkmarks.png to see what I mean. The width of the menu has the space at the left of the text to fit a check mark, so why doesn't it display? it just seems so obvious that it should. I would challenge outDented in scrabble. Yes, me too... but when you look at the pic, you will see that the check mark really is out-dented. Any alternative description gratefully received. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Font menu button problems
On Mar 18, 2010, at 3:49 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: Tinkering is why I love these things. I think that's why we are all here - programmers have to be tinkerers at heart :-) But when I substitute a checkmark I get a very nice checked menuItem. I don't see how you could find fault with it. Is it that you wanted a much more prominent checkmark? Have a look at http://www.troz.net/rev/Checkmarks.png to see what I mean. The width of the menu has the space at the left of the text to fit a check mark, so why doesn't it display? it just seems so obvious that it should. I would challenge outDented in scrabble. Yes, me too... but when you look at the pic, you will see that the check mark really is out-dented. Any alternative description gratefully received. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Font menu button problems
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:00 AM, Sarah Reichelt Thanks Craig. I tried a similar solution, actually using a check mark (option V on a Mac keyboard), but the problem is that on a normal menu, the check mark is out-dented (is that a word) so that it is much more prominent. But it might still be the best option. Create your list of Fonts with two space characters at the beginning of each line then add your check mark to char 1 of the applicable line. Unfortunately, unless you are using mono-spaced fonts in your option menu text then you are not going to get that nice perfect inline out-denting. You could look at placing a tab before each line and then just place your check mark 'before line n of btn 'option btn', but in this case, again depending on the font used, your out-denting is way-out-denting, but it is in perfect alignment. HTH ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Font menu button problems
Craig- Thursday, March 18, 2010, 2:13:14 PM, you wrote: I would challenge outDented in scrabble. Well, my third edition Scrabble dictionary doesn't have it, but it's quite last-century, as it's copright 1996. It would, however, fit in nicely between outcurve and outdance, both of which I would have challenged. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/outdent -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: View scripts of my standalone?
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 3:07 AM, Kee Nethery k...@kagi.com wrote: Imagine me hitting myself on the head with a big dead fish. I use Time Machine on my Mac for backups and it was trivial to go back in time and grab the old source file. I knew there was a reason for doing backups :-) ROTFL... in pain;-)) Now imagine a nagging wife why are you always buying computer gadgets, why did you need to buy are 1TB TimeCapsule, why did you buy another HD, way are there so many HD Icons on my desktop, have you been on my computer again, why have you been messing with my computer, why Or when I buy Mac OS X The Missing Manual and suggest she read up on the new features... No I haven't got time, or to make it even easier, if I download the propaganda .mov from Apple and say, you should check out the new features... I'm not in the mood. And then. rrrgghh! A calendar she'd be working with, the most important of half a dozen calendars, for some reason she inexplicably deleted, at that was it, it was gone! She looked high and low, but it was gone. She was almost in tears when she told me what happened. So I pointed out the clock icon with the anti-clockwise arrow around and the Enter Time Machine menu item and 5 min later we had her calendar back. How imagine the polar opposite of being hit on the head with a big fish;-) BTMF (Big TimeMachine Fan) PS My wife really doesn't nag, she's great. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Docking Redux
Hi Andrew, I don't know exactly what you are trying to do, but have you checked out the getProp and setProp control statements in the Dictionary. These allow you to do things based on custom properties being manipulated. HTH On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 6:16 AM, Andrew Kluthe and...@rjdfarm.com wrote: Ok, my docking scripts work pretty good but I need a way of telling the menu stacks what stack to dock to. I.E. If a user opens the LeaseStack from the sideMenu stack, then I need to set the docking stack to LeaseStack. If the user opens a NamesSetup stack from the sideMenu, then I need to change the docking stack to NamesSetup Currently: When you open LeaseStack or NamesSetup from the sideMenu, it stores the name of the stack in a custom property of a button. I have two custom properties: the stack currently being docked to, and the stack that was docked before the current one. I need the previous docked stack to be in a property, because I have a stack that opens as modal when it is toggled to be visible. This is like a message flag window (if a payment is overdue, etc) and is to be the first stack besides menus that open with the program. At any time the user needs to be able to toggle this message flag window as visible and dockable and automatically untoggle what was visible and docked. When pushing the toggle button again, it needs to switch back to whatever the user was working on prior to the toggle. I just seem to be mucking up my attempts to do this gracefully. Can anyone recommend some logic that might accomplish what I need? Am I barking up the wrong trees with custom properties? -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Docking-Redux-tp1597272p1597272.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Possible virus warning
Just got the following email sent directly to me: From: zeeshan aamir shani.run...@gmail.com Subject:Communication between JADE (NetBeans) and Runrev Date: March 18, 2010 9:57:58 PM CDT To: shani.run...@gmail.com Has a nice attachment, which I obviously didn't open. Anyway, just believe this is likely phishing or some other kind of wonderful infection attempt by someone just hitting everyone in the list. If that isn't the case, my apologies to Mr. Aamir. But everyone should take care Jeff M.___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
forum down
All- Anyone else noticing that the forums seem to have gotten borked? I'm getting Too many connections[1040], so I'm guessing it may be a DoS attack on the server. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Possible virus warning
Jeffrey- It passed my antivirus software's check, but I'm not foolish enough to open an unrequested binary attachment... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: forum down
yes and I just got a message that was intended for the list with ATTACHMENTS. And the mail list address is nowhere to be found except deep in the raw email. How is this possible? here are the headers: from zeeshan aamir shani.run...@gmail.com sender time Sent at 21:57 (GMT+01:00). Current time there: 04:52. ✆ to shani.run...@gmail.com date 18 March 2010 21:57 subject Communication between JADE (NetBeans) and Runrev Signed by gmail.com -- hide details 21:57 (54 minutes ago) On 18 March 2010 22:19, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: All- Anyone else noticing that the forums seem to have gotten borked? I'm getting Too many connections[1040], so I'm guessing it may be a DoS attack on the server. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard currently in Fairhope AL ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Possible virus warning
Google didn't choke on this guy and they appear to be binary... images.. sqb On 18 March 2010 22:21, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Jeffrey- It passed my antivirus software's check, but I'm not foolish enough to open an unrequested binary attachment... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard currently in Fairhope AL ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to generate a runnable Mac standalone from Windows
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: While I haven't yet come across any formal usability studies on using disk images as installers (if anyone here finds one please pass it along), my own anecdotal evidence suggests that they're a good fit mainly for more experienced Mac users, but for the reasons noted in the links at that blog entry tend to confuse many others. Sorry, taking your thread off topic here, this probably should be directed to your blog, but I see this simply as how experienced do you want to make your users. Yes I am an experienced Mac user so I'm thoroughly happy with DMGs, I like to be involved in where I put things on my Mac, and IMO, I think newbies should become involved as well. Yes, a little confusing to start with, but not too difficult to master. To take this way OT, let me liken it to Toyota's stuck on full throttle. Some people think the deaths cause by these incidents were the result of faulty engineering. I know the deaths were caused by poor driver training. You see, far too many people put their car in Drive and then their mind in Neutral. Not one of these accidents would have occurred if the person was driving a Manual car. A manual driver would have engaged the clutch and/or selected Neutral, and instinctive manoeuver. Automatic drivers seem to forget that they have a means to disconnect the engine from the wheels. Also, both have the ability to turn the ignition off, but neither are likely to think of this as they haven't been taught it - hazardous as you need to remember the steering lock and only do it on straight roads. So, to me, Installers are like Automatics, loved by masses but inevitably create an 'mind in Neutral' situation where the vast majority of users really haven't got a clue. Is the rampant spread of viruses, spam and phishing the result of vastly intelligent instigators or the Pavlov's automatic response of a Users who's mind is in Neutral? IMO, computers are far more important to us than the car. Computers are more and more intricately entwined into almost all aspects of our lives. It's a fine line, because they are so entwined, they need to be easy, intuitive, productive, not frustrating. But because the are so entwined I feel we need to be somewhat involved in the process. If you can't figure out how to open a DMG and drag an App to the folder or your desire, how are you ever going to get your head around running back-up and archive software and actually restoring a single corrupted file? DMG is the Mac standard, and whilst it might not be the best solution, if everyone does the same thing, it shouldn't take long to catch the drift. On the other hand, I'm highly skeptical of files that don't install the DMG way or use the Mac Installer. I've Trashed Apps straight off the bat that have installed themselves. Or, to put it another way, if the Automatic starts misbehaving, I treat it like a Manual and force it into the gear I want. If a person really can't grasp the concept of opening a DMG, and dragging the file to a folder after 3 or 4 attempts, then I guess I wouldn't be surprised if they send a large sum money to an Nigerian Bank account after receiving an important email because it was all in CAPITALS. (I just note that Jeffery posted to the list a possible bogus email doing the rounds. Obviously doesn't open emails with his brain in Neutral and I bet he knows how to work a DMG) Just my Mac Dollars worth :-) PS Should Toyota's be better engineered - Yes PPS Should drivers be better trained - Absolutely PPPS Strange how there can only be one Neutral, your Brain or the Transmission, but never both. S In my Fantasy World all drivers would be trained and tested on bringing a car to a halt after suffering a brake failure at 55 mph. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Possible virus warning
stephen- Thursday, March 18, 2010, 8:57:56 PM, you wrote: Google didn't choke on this guy and they appear to be binary... images.. Most of them. Then there's the Test.rar archive... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Possible virus warning
stephen barncard wrote: Google didn't choke on this guy and they appear to be binary... images.. I moved the attachment over to a machine I keep quarantined for such explorations, and un-rarred it. In addition to the images there are also some very small Java source files and a Rev stack. I don't have Rev on my quarantine machine so I wasn't able to run it, but looking at the raw data for the stack file it appears to be a runnable stack with a fairly innocuous script. Either someone went to a lot of work to make a very convincing Trojan horse targeted specifically at the Rev community which uses some obscure and tiny data-embedded hack that eludes most normal means of reviewing the file contents, or this was sent out to the use-rev list members by some weird tech glitch that I can't figure out. Either way, since I got my copy of that potential-Trojan-horse just minutes after the Rev forum was taken offline from an apparent DoS attack, it's hard not to imagine there may be some connection between the two. Whether the email is part of the culprit's work or just another victim like all of us who shouldn't have rec'd that unsolicited email remains to be seen. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Possible virus warning
Right. Definitely not right - the only way that could get to me is that the server got hijacked or out email address. Deleted. This guy isn't real. sqb On 18 March 2010 23:08, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: stephen- Thursday, March 18, 2010, 8:57:56 PM, you wrote: Google didn't choke on this guy and they appear to be binary... images.. Most of them. Then there's the Test.rar archive... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard currently in Fairhope AL ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Possible virus warning
Richard- Thursday, March 18, 2010, 9:15:06 PM, you wrote: Whether the email is part of the culprit's work or just another victim like all of us who shouldn't have rec'd that unsolicited email remains to be seen. Here's my best-case scenario: the rev team was attempting to reinstate private messaging on the forum boards, and in the process someone tried to post a topic. Since things were in flux, due to a database glitch the attempted topic post got instead emailed out to everyone registered on the board. The database glitch also is preventing any further user logins, and will probably have to be recreated from backups. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Possible virus warning
Mark Wieder wrote: Richard- Thursday, March 18, 2010, 9:15:06 PM, you wrote: Whether the email is part of the culprit's work or just another victim like all of us who shouldn't have rec'd that unsolicited email remains to be seen. Here's my best-case scenario: the rev team was attempting to reinstate private messaging on the forum boards, and in the process someone tried to post a topic. Since things were in flux, due to a database glitch the attempted topic post got instead emailed out to everyone registered on the board. The database glitch also is preventing any further user logins, and will probably have to be recreated from backups. That seems plausible enough, but far less entertaining than my hypothesis of corporate espionage from some nefarious organization who feels threatened by RevMobile. As logical as your scenario is, I'm sticking with mine. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Possible virus warning
Whatever. It creeped me out nonetheless. On 18 March 2010 23:45, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Mark Wieder wrote: Richard- Thursday, March 18, 2010, 9:15:06 PM, you wrote: Whether the email is part of the culprit's work or just another victim like all of us who shouldn't have rec'd that unsolicited email remains to be seen. Here's my best-case scenario: the rev team was attempting to reinstate private messaging on the forum boards, and in the process someone tried to post a topic. Since things were in flux, due to a database glitch the attempted topic post got instead emailed out to everyone registered on the board. The database glitch also is preventing any further user logins, and will probably have to be recreated from backups. That seems plausible enough, but far less entertaining than my hypothesis of corporate espionage from some nefarious organization who feels threatened by RevMobile. As logical as your scenario is, I'm sticking with mine. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard currently in Fairhope AL ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Possible virus warning
Recently, stephen barncard wrote: Whatever. It creeped me out nonetheless. Dudes, come on. The guy wrote the list on 3/16 looking for help with Rev and JADE. He probably tried to send along files he was working on by mistake. As fun as it would be to uncover, there's no conspiracy here. Now world governments covering up the existence of of extra terrestrial life, THAT'S a conspiracy I can get behind... Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Possible virus warning
Scott- Thursday, March 18, 2010, 10:38:13 PM, you wrote: Dudes, come on. The guy wrote the list on 3/16 looking for help with Rev and JADE. He probably tried to send along files he was working on by mistake. As fun as it would be to uncover, there's no conspiracy here. The message did *not* go to the list. OK - if I go back a couple of days I see the original query about JADE, but I don't know how to send an offlist message to everyone on the list personally. There's still something else at play here. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
