ANN: RevZilla 2.2
Hey everyone... I was forced to move away from my previous ISP, and in doing so the CGIs I was using to post bugs for RevZilla were replaced with .irev files. This means that any version of RevZilla prior to this one will fail when attempting to send in RevZilla feedback, bug reports, or even checking for a new version of RevZilla (since there are no CGIs to process the requests anymore). It is strongly recommended that if you're a RevZilla user that you upgrade to the new build. You can find it here: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla2.htm Thanks! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] tRev Magic Menus: contextual, mouse-free menus
On 11/04/2010 05:39, Peter Alcibiades wrote: On the basis that maybe it could be something about all three of the systems it occurred on today, which admittedly are all running Debian, though with very different installation and use histories, I moved Rev to Slitaz running in Sun's non-free Virtual Box on one of them, and did the same thing, and got just about the same result. This time it was a freeze which the only way out of was to shutdown the session in X windows by force. Now this is a barebones install of Slitaz, which is itself just about as as bare as you can get, the only thing it has on it, apart from the base system, is Rev Studio gm1, 4.0.0, build 950, ligthpttd, user space NFS. It does not even have CUPS or printing or Office installed. It uses PCManFM and Open Box, whereas on my real system its Thunar and Fluxbox, and on the ones in the office they are on Gnome with Nautilus. So, what are we going to suggest next? Is it the wrong kind of code? Is there something about the way I've written my app that can cause the IDE editor to crash during cut and paste? Is that really possible? It's entirely possible; I'm a dab hand at writing bad code, I don't know why you shouldn't be as well . . . :) Peter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] tRev Magic Menus: contextual, mouse-free menus
On 10/04/2010 23:52, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Here is the recipe. Open a stack with plenty of buttons and scripts. Now open any script in the editor. Use the property inspector to get the properties of a given field Select and copy the name of the field Paste it into the script. I think I used middle click, but think I have also used control-v in the past. It should freeze, flickering rapidly. Then when you close the window of the editor, the whole IDE crashes. Awfully sorry to disappoint you: I opened an earlier recension of my Devawriter stack (buckets of buttons, buckets of scripts) and did as you suggested - everything worked properly: RunRev 4.0 Ubuntu 10.04 Beta 2 I just did it, 30 seconds ago on this machine, and as expected, it happened. I did it a couple times this afternoon on a different computer when I just forgot that it was going to happen - I was working on redoing the application so as to eliminate the need to use print card, and needed to take the name of the fields into the script, so as to put the contents of them into a variable and then put this variable into a text file. Which, after manually reformatting it in rtf, I will then be able to open in a word processor and print in acceptable format. What a totally insane thing to be forced to be doing in the first place, but that is by the way. I have also had on earlier versions extreme slowdowns of the editor, where the cursor took a half second or so to move from one position in the line to another. Or typed characters showed up only after about a half second delay. This is a complete farce. Yes it is; however the reason for this particular farce may lie outwith the RunRev folks' lab in Edinburgh. I'm an amateur, I don't charge, and I'd never let stuff at this crap level of quality out the door. Do they do any testing at all? Now that is almost up to my standard of aggression: it will only give you heart palpitations; so stop. Peter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] tRev Magic Menus: contextual, mouse-free menus
On 11/04/2010 01:52, Richard Gaskin wrote: Peter Alcibiades wrote: Here is the recipe. Open a stack with plenty of buttons and scripts. Now open any script in the editor. Use the property inspector to get the properties of a given field Select and copy the name of the field Paste it into the script. I think I used middle click, but think I have also used control-v in the past. It should freeze, flickering rapidly. Then when you close the window of the editor, the whole IDE crashes. I just followed that recipe to the letter, using Rev v4.0 on Ubuntu 9.10/Gnome 2.28.1. To test I used a copy of my WebMerge stack, with just under 300 objects on its card. The script I used was the main processing engine for the app, more than 4600 lines worth. Worked a treat. So I kept trying, copying text from the Inspector, elsewhere in the script, pasting all over the place, drag-n-drop -- all worked fine. I don't know enough about either your system or Rev to guess where the problem lies, but here I can't reproduce it on Ubuntu. --- I'm off for a walk on the hills today [Not a bad idea for Peter as well judging by things . . . :) ], and will try to reproduce this this evening. As I have previously stated; my only 'grunts' about RunRev for linux relate to fonts, and to a lesser extent, printing. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What does the 4.0 iPhone SDK mean for revMobile?
Not good - http://bit.ly/bnTy0D ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: FTP directory listing showing seconds
Hello Sarah, The first libURLSetFTPListCommand with the NLST param is used to force a preventive LibUrl vars state reset while the second one with the LIST param is used to do the job ! Not sure if this a real academic way to go but feet the needs i had (and still work as expected) to list the contents of one of my on-rev account subdirectories. Kind Regards, Pierre Le 11 avr. 10 à 01:20, Sarah Reichelt a écrit : This work fine for me : function FTP_Dir_Refresh active_path set cursor to watch libURLSetFTPListCommand NLST put FTP_Server_Address active_path / into tServer put URL tServer into tData replace crlf with cr in tData replace lf with cr in tData libURLSetFTPListCommand LIST get URL tServer filter it with * toUpper(char 1 to 4 of the label of btn b_blog_category) *_?_*.xml? return it end FTP_Dir_Refresh Hi Pierre, I have never used libURLSetFTPListCommand so I guess it changes the returned format and I will try that out. But I don't understand why your function gets the file listing twice - once with each listing type. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RunRev and Linux
There are two questions, whether Ubuntu is the distribution of choice for a production environment, and whether Linux is the right platform to run Revolution on. The answer to the first question is no, use Debian Stable. Ubuntu is the result of six monthly refreshings from Debian Experimental. A production environment should use Debian Stable, if using a Debian based distribution at all, and only change out for the next version of Stable using apt-get dist-upgrade when this completes its move out of Testing, gets the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval, and is marked Stable. You could also consider Slackware, famous for its stability, but its going to be more trouble to maintain. In a production environment I would use either Debian or Slackware. Maybe Open Suse could be a third possibility to consider. Is Rev on Linux a sensible choice for a production environment? I wouldn't do it in its present form. You'll be getting a version with substantial feature, stability and usability deficiencies compared to what you have now. It will be unusable on any monitor larger than 19 inch. Fonts will not work properly. Printing, both revPrintField and print card, will not work properly. In my experience, the editor is so unstable as to be unusable. (Others however have not reproduced the editor issues that I have had). The IDE will not support basic desktop functionality - multiple virtual desktops. It is said that this works perfectly well in the OSX version you have now, so if your users take advantage of virtual desktops, you will be losing that feature. You will also find that important extra functionality of the IDE has migrated to plugins which will not run on Linux. For instance, if you are using tRev, you'll find there is no Linux version. If you use Rev Browser, that is not available in the Linux version. If you use a Rev player, you'll find there isn't one. You can use StackRunner, of course, and I have nothing but praise for it. But its another step away from what you now have. I use nothing but Linux, and have never come upon an application from the Debian repositories which is of this poor quality. Yes, there are some applications which have problems - the move from KDE 3.5 to 4 meant that many KDE apps had to be rewritten, and in the process there were some serious problems introduced, which took a while for users and developers to track down and fix. But they were at least notified, acknowledged, and then fixed fairly promptly. People may think this is just a personal opinion caused by purely personal frustrations. But if you go back through the list, you will find serious Linux users posting in escalatingly bad tempered terms until finally they leave in a fury. Its not just me. The best advice one could give would be, get a workstation, put a 22 inch monitor on it, install Slackware (which means you will not be running Gnome, by the way), install only the three packages you speak of - Rev, Octave and R. Maybe Office if you need it. Geany - you are going to need a proper editor. Give it to the most tolerant heavy user of Rev you have, ask him/her to use it exclusively for all development, and see how they feel at the end of a month or so. You can be sure, if its Slackware, that any problems are not down to the distribution, and you can be sure that if mine are down to Debian, you will not get them, and you can be sure that you are not running into the instabilities which are fairly notorious with Ubuntu's release schedule. ts about as pure a test as you'll get of whether you are safe to go ahead. It would be most valuable to Linux users of Rev, and maybe also to Rev the company, to have properly documented feedback on what you find, if you do this. There is still time, just, to make Rev for Linux into a serious developer tool that one could recommend unequivocally, and maybe if enough of us work at it, we can document clearly what needs to be done, help in testing, and get it done. Personally, I am on the edge with this. I have obtained a license for Real Basic, and I've got a copy of the best PyQT book, Rapid Gui Programming with Python and Qt. I have written an open letter to Kevin, which I am restraining myself from sending. The Rev people are very nice, decent people, the list is wonderfully helpful and patient. The language itself is superb, when it works. Its just, if it doesn't have a usable editor, usable printing, proper font support, a readable IDE, how on earth am I supposed to get any work done in it? -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/RunRev-and-Linux-tp1835808p1835896.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Question about RevMobile
Le 11 avr. 2010 à 02:59, Richard Gaskin a écrit : but far more useful than an iPad for general computing and even programming tasks. Richard, The question is what is meant by general computing... For my part, I think iPad will create new uses, and that is what I wait from this tool. René___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RunRev and Linux
Good post Peter - I used to be a Linux only user of Rev and its potential on that platform is fabulous, both in terms of the users and for RunRev in terms of attracting hard core developers. Hang in there - remember November is Rev everywhere :) And how about Html 5, or Android front ends with a choice of Java, Python, or Ruby calling the the Rev interpreter through C bindings on the server Desktop and maybe even Android. In the world of mashup interop is key, and Rev is in a good position to deliver for mobile - we just need to get the community aspect right to be able to create the widgets and libraries faster than the competition. And for that we need an open source strategy led by the community and supported by RunRev - and we need Linux developers :) On 11 April 2010 09:34, Peter Alcibiades palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: There are two questions, whether Ubuntu is the distribution of choice for a production environment, and whether Linux is the right platform to run Revolution on. The answer to the first question is no, use Debian Stable. Ubuntu is the result of six monthly refreshings from Debian Experimental. A production environment should use Debian Stable, if using a Debian based distribution at all, and only change out for the next version of Stable using apt-get dist-upgrade when this completes its move out of Testing, gets the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval, and is marked Stable. You could also consider Slackware, famous for its stability, but its going to be more trouble to maintain. In a production environment I would use either Debian or Slackware. Maybe Open Suse could be a third possibility to consider. Is Rev on Linux a sensible choice for a production environment? I wouldn't do it in its present form. You'll be getting a version with substantial feature, stability and usability deficiencies compared to what you have now. It will be unusable on any monitor larger than 19 inch. Fonts will not work properly. Printing, both revPrintField and print card, will not work properly. In my experience, the editor is so unstable as to be unusable. (Others however have not reproduced the editor issues that I have had). The IDE will not support basic desktop functionality - multiple virtual desktops. It is said that this works perfectly well in the OSX version you have now, so if your users take advantage of virtual desktops, you will be losing that feature. You will also find that important extra functionality of the IDE has migrated to plugins which will not run on Linux. For instance, if you are using tRev, you'll find there is no Linux version. If you use Rev Browser, that is not available in the Linux version. If you use a Rev player, you'll find there isn't one. You can use StackRunner, of course, and I have nothing but praise for it. But its another step away from what you now have. I use nothing but Linux, and have never come upon an application from the Debian repositories which is of this poor quality. Yes, there are some applications which have problems - the move from KDE 3.5 to 4 meant that many KDE apps had to be rewritten, and in the process there were some serious problems introduced, which took a while for users and developers to track down and fix. But they were at least notified, acknowledged, and then fixed fairly promptly. People may think this is just a personal opinion caused by purely personal frustrations. But if you go back through the list, you will find serious Linux users posting in escalatingly bad tempered terms until finally they leave in a fury. Its not just me. The best advice one could give would be, get a workstation, put a 22 inch monitor on it, install Slackware (which means you will not be running Gnome, by the way), install only the three packages you speak of - Rev, Octave and R. Maybe Office if you need it. Geany - you are going to need a proper editor. Give it to the most tolerant heavy user of Rev you have, ask him/her to use it exclusively for all development, and see how they feel at the end of a month or so. You can be sure, if its Slackware, that any problems are not down to the distribution, and you can be sure that if mine are down to Debian, you will not get them, and you can be sure that you are not running into the instabilities which are fairly notorious with Ubuntu's release schedule. ts about as pure a test as you'll get of whether you are safe to go ahead. It would be most valuable to Linux users of Rev, and maybe also to Rev the company, to have properly documented feedback on what you find, if you do this. There is still time, just, to make Rev for Linux into a serious developer tool that one could recommend unequivocally, and maybe if enough of us work at it, we can document clearly what needs to be done, help in testing, and get it done. Personally, I am on the edge with this. I have obtained a license for Real Basic, and I've
Thoughts on fetching data from iRev cgi's (in chunks)
What would be the best strategy for fetching a series of pieces of data from a url call to display the text first and then when ready the images or larger binary data? What I'd (naively) like to do is: 1. Call the cgi - possibly without using load url 2. The CGI returns the text data 3. After returning the text data the cgi goes and fetches the binary data - say a dozen or so images and stores them on the server 4. Another call to the cgi (or a related cgi) returns the binary data if it has been loaded or still loading if it has not fetched all the images yet. (could be a load url call and only return the image data) At the moment I've been looping through the images and using load url call for each one - the logic on the client side gets quite messy on the client side and there are often hunreds of url calls going off everywhere, also there are cases where I'd like the server to do the asynch work, and not the client. Does anyone have any thoughts on a good strategy for incrementally fetching web data like this down to the client? Some fuzzy questions: 1. Is it possible to get a cgi to return data first and still go on and do work afterwords (like fetch and cache the images on the server) 2. Any possible uses of Cron jobs here - has anyone scripted cron jobs from Rev? 3. What sort of things have people done with delayed action calls in iRev - is ti possible to use send in time or the equivalents? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on fetching data from iRev cgi's (in chunks)
David, Are you doing this on the on-rev server? --- On Sun, 4/11/10, David Bovill da...@vaudevillecourt.tv wrote: From: David Bovill da...@vaudevillecourt.tv Subject: Thoughts on fetching data from iRev cgi's (in chunks) To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 6:28 AM What would be the best strategy for fetching a series of pieces of data from a url call to display the text first and then when ready the images or larger binary data? What I'd (naively) like to do is: 1. Call the cgi - possibly without using load url 2. The CGI returns the text data 3. After returning the text data the cgi goes and fetches the binary data - say a dozen or so images and stores them on the server 4. Another call to the cgi (or a related cgi) returns the binary data if it has been loaded or still loading if it has not fetched all the images yet. (could be a load url call and only return the image data) At the moment I've been looping through the images and using load url call for each one - the logic on the client side gets quite messy on the client side and there are often hunreds of url calls going off everywhere, also there are cases where I'd like the server to do the asynch work, and not the client. Does anyone have any thoughts on a good strategy for incrementally fetching web data like this down to the client? Some fuzzy questions: 1. Is it possible to get a cgi to return data first and still go on and do work afterwords (like fetch and cache the images on the server) 2. Any possible uses of Cron jobs here - has anyone scripted cron jobs from Rev? 3. What sort of things have people done with delayed action calls in iRev - is ti possible to use send in time or the equivalents? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RunRev and Linux
On 11/04/2010 12:59, David Bovill wrote: Good post Peter - I used to be a Linux only user of Rev and its potential on that platform is fabulous, both in terms of the users and for RunRev in terms of attracting hard core developers. Hang in there - remember November is Rev everywhere :) And how about Html 5, or Android front ends with a choice of Java, Python, or Ruby calling the the Rev interpreter through C bindings on the server Desktop and maybe even Android. In the world of mashup interop is key, and Rev is in a good position to deliver for mobile - we just need to get the community aspect right to be able to create the widgets and libraries faster than the competition. And for that we need an open source strategy led by the community and supported by RunRev - and we need Linux developers :) and supported by RunRev is the most important bit of this message. RunRev go on and on and on about how much they listen to and care about their 'community' of devoted users . . . however, many times over the last 9 years (in which I have been a devoted RunRev user) I have wondered whether that is really true; or, whether the truth lies somewhere nearer to there being a trusted inner circle of users whose opinions are respected, listened to, and acted upon, and an outer circle of users who are tolerated so that RunRev can say that they are quite a bit more warm and cuddly than they really are. The fact is that the Linux flavour of Runrev is distinctly dicky compared to the Mac and Win ones; this is being commented on by quite a few users of lesser or greater computing skill, and there appears to be a hush from the other side does seem to confirm my suspicions. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RunRev and Linux
On 11/04/2010 11:34, Peter Alcibiades wrote: There are two questions, whether Ubuntu is the distribution of choice for a production environment, and whether Linux is the right platform to run Revolution on. Yes, there are 2 questions; one (the one about RunRev) that should be tackled here; and another (the one about Ubuntu) that is to be discussed somewhere else. It does not really help either question to conflate the two; merely serves to weaken both. The answer to the first question is no, use Debian Stable. Ubuntu is the result of six monthly refreshings from Debian Experimental. A production environment should use Debian Stable, if using a Debian based distribution at all, and only change out for the next version of Stable using apt-get dist-upgrade when this completes its move out of Testing, gets the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval, and is marked Stable. Well; I'm jolly sorry, but I have used Ubuntu for the last 5 years as a production environment for the EFL programs for my EFL operation with never a hitch. I, also, don't see whether one chooses to use Ubuntu, Slackware or Mickey Maclehose's personal home-cooked distro what that has to do with the Linux flavour of RunRev. I assume (correctly, I hope) that the RunRev folks give their Linux variant a spin on the most common Linux distros before releasing it. You could also consider Slackware, famous for its stability, but its going to be more trouble to maintain. In a production environment I would use either Debian or Slackware. Maybe Open Suse could be a third possibility to consider. Is Rev on Linux a sensible choice for a production environment? I wouldn't do it in its present form. You'll be getting a version with substantial feature, stability and usability deficiencies compared to what you have now. It will be unusable on any monitor larger than 19 inch. Fonts will not work properly. Printing, both revPrintField and print card, will not work properly. In my experience, the editor is so unstable as to be unusable. (Others however have not reproduced the editor issues that I have had). The IDE will not support basic desktop functionality - multiple virtual desktops. It is said that this works perfectly well in the OSX version you have now, so if your users take advantage of virtual desktops, you will be losing that feature. You will also find that important extra functionality of the IDE has migrated to plugins which will not run on Linux. For instance, if you are using tRev, you'll find there is no Linux version. If you use Rev Browser, that is not available in the Linux version. If you use a Rev player, you'll find there isn't one. You can use StackRunner, of course, and I have nothing but praise for it. But its another step away from what you now have. I use nothing but Linux, and have never come upon an application from the Debian repositories which is of this poor quality. Yes, there are some applications which have problems - the move from KDE 3.5 to 4 meant that many KDE apps had to be rewritten, and in the process there were some serious problems introduced, which took a while for users and developers to track down and fix. But they were at least notified, acknowledged, and then fixed fairly promptly. People may think this is just a personal opinion caused by purely personal frustrations. But if you go back through the list, you will find serious Linux users posting in escalatingly bad tempered terms until finally they leave in a fury. Its not just me. The best advice one could give would be, get a workstation, put a 22 inch monitor on it, install Slackware (which means you will not be running Gnome, by the way), install only the three packages you speak of - Rev, Octave and R. Maybe Office if you need it. Geany - you are going to need a proper editor. Give it to the most tolerant heavy user of Rev you have, ask him/her to use it exclusively for all development, and see how they feel at the end of a month or so. You can be sure, if its Slackware, that any problems are not down to the distribution, and you can be sure that if mine are down to Debian, you will not get them, and you can be sure that you are not running into the instabilities which are fairly notorious with Ubuntu's release schedule. ts about as pure a test as you'll get of whether you are safe to go ahead. It would be most valuable to Linux users of Rev, and maybe also to Rev the company, to have properly documented feedback on what you find, if you do this. There is still time, just, to make Rev for Linux into a serious developer tool that one could recommend unequivocally, and maybe if enough of us work at it, we can document clearly what needs to be done, help in testing, and get it done. Personally, I am on the edge with this. I have obtained a license for Real Basic, and I've got a copy of the best PyQT book, Rapid Gui Programming with Python and Qt. I have written an open letter to Kevin, which I am
Re: RunRev and Linux
Richmond Mathewson wrote: RunRev go on and on and on about how much they listen to and care about their 'community' of devoted users . . . however, many times over the last 9 years (in which I have been a devoted RunRev user) I have wondered whether that is really true; or, whether the truth lies somewhere nearer to there being a trusted inner circle of users whose opinions are respected, listened to, and acted upon, and an outer circle of users who are tolerated so that RunRev can say that they are quite a bit more warm and cuddly than they really are. The fact is that the Linux flavour of Runrev is distinctly dicky compared to the Mac and Win ones; this is being commented on by quite a few users of lesser or greater computing skill, and there appears to be a hush from the other side does seem to confirm my suspicions. I don't think it's any sort of grand conspiracy, but rather that the cause-and-effect may be exactly backwards from what you suggest: It seems unlikely that Kevin holds meetings in a shuttered room with a handful of individuals in top hats sitting around smoking Cuban cigars and deciding that fate of the Rev community through hushed voices. The Linux community has simply thus far failed to gain sufficient market share to warrant much more of Rev's time than it does now. While there are quite a few disgruntled posts about Linux from time to time, most of them have come from about six people. Just to be clear, I'm not saying Rev runs perfectly on Linux, but Rev doesn't run perfectly on Windows or OS X either. And indeed it seems that the farther you go from the market-leading Linux distro, Ubuntu with Gnome, the more such issues become evident. That said, I don't think this is because RunRev is somehow limiting any individual's input in favor of some imagined cabal. On the contrary, it seems self-evident that Rev is listening the EVERYONE, in a world where almost half of their money comes from Mac folks and the other half comes from Windows folks, while fewer than a dozen of us here care about Linux. If you want to see RunRev give Linux more attention, first get the world to give Linux more attention by giving it more attention of your own: Evangelize the OS; let vendors know when you want to buy a PC without paying for a copy of Windows you'll be replacing anyway; host or participate in Install Fests; give away CDs to random people on the subway; etc. etc. SpreadUbuntu.com has some helpful evangelism tips. It isn't RunRev's fault that Linux has a 1% desktop market share. That's not a bug Kevin can address - but we can, and we will. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What does the 4.0 iPhone SDK mean for revMobile?
On Apr 11, 2010, at 4:30 AM, David Bovill wrote: Not good - http://bit.ly/bnTy0D What is comical is that although Steve is all out to prevent compatibility layers, in his quest for perfect apps, he's ok with using Javascript and HTML5, which I think are compatibility layers. I've done tests, and HTML5 is a lot slower than say a Flash app. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Question about RevMobile
René Micout wrote: Le 11 avr. 2010 à 02:59, Richard Gaskin a écrit : but far more useful than an iPad for general computing and even programming tasks. Richard, The question is what is meant by general computing... For my part, I think iPad will create new uses, and that is what I wait from this tool. If it does what you need than enjoy it. But note that Apple didn't cancel their MacBook line when they introduced the iPad. Each has a very different task focus. Attempting to define what the iPad is has become a popular parlor game, but that there are so many opinions about it suggests it isn't a computer since that's something we all know. Viewed from the perspective of my own needs, I see the iPad as primarily a media playback device that runs a few traditional apps like email and Apple's new redesigned office suite on the side. But if you do a lot of typing, a device with a curved back doesn't lend itself well to laying flat, and holding it means typing with one hand, or leaning it against your crossed leg as Jobs did during the demo puts your wrists at a painfully vertical angle. And beyond the question of whether the lack of physical feedback from a virtual keyboard will be important, the virtual keyboard on the iPad is missing a LOT of keys we're used to. I just don't see writers or programmers falling in love with the iPad, at least not for work. And then there's the difference between the quarter- to half-inch diameter of the human fingertip vs. the single-pixel pointer and what that means for precision layout tasks like making web pages or laying out controls in Rev. And of course none of those form-factor issues addresses the bigger issue for many of us here: we love scripting languages, and we love to tinker with our toys. Apple says no to us: even if you could run Rev stacks on an iPad, you wouldn't be able to author them on it. In brief, I see the iPad as one of the most powerful an innovative media CONSUMPTION devices ever. But for media AUTHORING, we still have computers. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RunRev and Linux
On 11/04/2010 18:21, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond Mathewson wrote: snip I don't think it's any sort of grand conspiracy, but rather that the cause-and-effect may be exactly backwards from what you suggest: Hmm; I don't think there is a grand conspiracy - what there may be is an inadvertent 'something'. It seems unlikely that Kevin holds meetings in a shuttered room with a handful of individuals in top hats sitting around smoking Cuban cigars and deciding that fate of the Rev community through hushed voices. I know this is a bit facetious, but I suddenly had a vision of exactly what you described above and laughed myself silly. I wonder if Kevin smokes at all; he looks far too clean-living for that. The Linux community has simply thus far failed to gain sufficient market share to warrant much more of Rev's time than it does now. While there are quite a few disgruntled posts about Linux from time to time, most of them have come from about six people. Yes; and Peter and I probably make 4 of them . . . :) Just to be clear, I'm not saying Rev runs perfectly on Linux, but Rev doesn't run perfectly on Windows or OS X either. And indeed it seems that the farther you go from the market-leading Linux distro, Ubuntu with Gnome, the more such issues become evident. I, for one, am perfectly happy to go on developing on a Mac as my production is 90% done on that platform: however, deployment on Linux is my problem. Now, I know for a fact that there are a large number of people who use Linux that directly relate to my main field - lots of what, for want of being accused of being a white-ethno-centrist, we might call bush schools in poorer countries where there are buckets of second-hand PCs for grabs from Europe and North America running Linux. In India there are lots of these. Now I have developed a program for writing in an extremely awkward (but culturally significant) writing system (and have a whole slew more 'in the pipeline') which I am unable to deploy on Linux. So, it seems there are 2 problems here (which may not be the same): 1. The status/standard of the development package on Linux. 2. The ability to deploy standalones built on Windows or Macintosh on Linux. That said, I don't think this is because RunRev is somehow limiting any individual's input in favor of some imagined cabal. On the contrary, it seems self-evident that Rev is listening the EVERYONE, in a world where almost half of their money comes from Mac folks and the other half comes from Windows folks, while fewer than a dozen of us here care about Linux. If you want to see RunRev give Linux more attention, first get the world to give Linux more attention by giving it more attention of your own: My school runs Ubuntu exclusively and serves up my EFL standalones like that. Evangelize the OS; let vendors know when you want to buy a PC without paying for a copy of Windows you'll be replacing anyway; host or participate in Install Fests; give away CDs to random people on the subway; etc. etc. SpreadUbuntu.com has some helpful evangelism tips. I, for one, have been pushing Linux like a Colombian drug baron; however there is more to things than that: first get them to run Linux (and here in Eastern Europe there is a steep rise in this) then get them to develop using RunRev. Lots of lawyers, doctors and architects here in Bulgaria running desktop Linux rigs - but they are not programmers. Lots of programmers running Linux and programming in Python and so on. I have 10 of my pupils (think age range 7 -14) who play around with RevMedia at home (mainly on Windows); but, obviously, cannot deploy standalones, nor have the cash to buy Studio or Enterprise. Many professionals here run a split system with XP and a Linux distro on the same machine. It isn't RunRev's fault that Linux has a 1% desktop market share. That's not a bug Kevin can address - but we can, and we will. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What does the 4.0 iPhone SDK mean for revMobile?
On 11/04/2010 18:28, Colin Holgate wrote: On Apr 11, 2010, at 4:30 AM, David Bovill wrote: Not good - http://bit.ly/bnTy0D What is comical is that although Steve is all out to prevent compatibility layers, in his quest for perfect apps, he's ok with using Javascript and HTML5, which I think are compatibility layers. I've done tests, and HTML5 is a lot slower than say a Flash app. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution BUT; 'compatibility' is polysemantic: what is compatible with what Mr Jobs envisages for the iPhone/iPad may not encompass all the things that are otherwise compatible. I have a pupil (she is 10 years old) who is the proud owner of an iPhone (her Mum and Dad are bank managers), yet here Mum and Dad have not paid their school bills to me for the last 3 months (approx 25% the price of an iPhone). So, I have my own set of meanings for 'compatible' . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] What's an iPad?
My top 3 ideas are: 1. Swank toy. 2. Castrated computer for people who don't need laptops or PCs. 3. Tree-Free book. What are yours? Come on you-all . . . :0 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RunRev and Linux
John Vokey wrote: I have been an Apple user since the Apple ][, and have purchased upwards of at least 100 machines from Apple in that time; but, lately, I have been playing with Ubuntu Linux. And, I must admit I am impressed. Most of my work on Macs is done with open-source software (mostly LaTeX and R), but I really rely otherwise on Matlab and RunRev. Really: about 90% of the work *in my lab* uses those two tools. Octave (open-source) and R can, combined, do most or what I use Matlab for, but there is no open-source replacement for RunRev. I really need it to work. I don't compile apps, I run everything in the (MetaCard) IDE. So, if I could be assured that the RunRev (especially the Metacard) IDE worked adequately in Ubuntu Linux, I would shift to purchasing cheap Intel machines for all my work and use Ubuntu Linux. My lab runs on tax-payer dollars, so any savings I can make benefit us all. Advice, comments? Try it and see. Take one of your old PCs, drop Ubuntu onto it, put in Rev 4, and see how far you get. If it works well, convert another, then another. With a purchase price of $0, the worst thing that can happen is you just restore to whatever the machine had been using. I'm in the process of converting most of my old PCs to Ubuntu. Some of the under-powered ones may get Xubuntu because that build is lighter and nimbler on older hardware. Feel free to write me any time as you go and we can compare notes. And most importantly, have fun! One of the things I love about breathing new life into old PCs with a free OS is that giddy feeling like I'm getting away with something. :) BTW: Thanks for mentioning Octave. I hadn't come across it before, but it looks very useful. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
I had mine delivered from China on April 3rd since I ordered it the day it was available for ordering. I got the 64GB unit and its an amazing device. I think the reviewer I read that said it was the first information consumer device had it about right. There is no manual, you just press the big button and start poking and sliding your way around it. Its very snappy, the screen is beautiful and the ipad apps are very intuitive (but I also have an iPhone). Instead of keeping my laptop by my TV room chair, I have my iPad on its stand. When you want to do that quick email check (or query IMDB.org while watching a movie to get the real scoop on it), its perfect. Its not for programming or multi-page writing but the touch keyboard when in landscape view is almost the size of a mini keyboard. It should kill the netbook craze as well as the Kindle (anyone want to buy a used Kindle DX)? The Kindle app on the iPad is really nice and the iBook app is even nicer. I wish you could natively read pdf files but that means Apple allows Adobe to exist on the same planet and that obviously isn't happening. My wife is wavering on getting one. She wavered on the iPhone also and now things its the best device she has ever seen. I predict my iPad will become hers when the next gen comes around. Best wishes Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: My top 3 ideas are: 1. Swank toy. 2. Castrated computer for people who don't need laptops or PCs. 3. Tree-Free book. What are yours? Come on you-all . . . :0 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What does the 4.0 iPhone SDK mean for revMobile?
On Apr 11, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: BUT; 'compatibility' is polysemantic: what is compatible with what Mr Jobs envisages for the iPhone/iPad may not encompass all the things that are otherwise compatible. There's the basic problem, Steve's vision isn't compatible with our vision. I have a pupil (she is 10 years old) who is the proud owner of an iPhone (her Mum and Dad are bank managers), yet here Mum and Dad have not paid their school bills to me for the last 3 months (approx 25% the price of an iPhone). So, I have my own set of meanings for 'compatible' . . . :) Confiscate her iPhone. Sell it on eBay. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
On Apr 11, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Neal Campbell wrote: I had mine delivered from China on April 3rd since I ordered it the day it was available for ordering. I got the 64GB unit and its an amazing device. Same story for me, I had placed my order within 3 minutes of it being order-able. Mine is the 16GB one. It is a new kind of device, which you can use in place of other devices in many cases. I've played Mirror's Edge on my iPad more lately than I've played Mirror's Edge on my XBox 360! I sometimes intentionally read email on the iPad and not my MacBook Pro, that way if I want to carry on reading messages when going to another room, the kitchen for example, and I can easily take it with me. The one thing I think it's not good for is pedestrian mobile usage. I'll often play Scrabble on my train ride to work (3 or 4 stops, under 20 minutes), and I'll carry on doing that on my iPhone. It'll be interesting to see how long it is before we start seeing people using them on the subway. It may well be the perfect keep the kids quiet device for motorists. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Do ... as Applescript, bugs??
I am struggling to figure out why do as Applescript works once correctly but second time its fired off, Rev hangs and returns execution error. My As code works correctly within the As editor all the time. I am talking directly to the Applescript editor with my do statements. I am using 4.0. Are there known bugs with As with Rev at this time? Any As gurus willing to help please contact me off list. Thanks___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RunRev and Linux
Its not Rev's fault that Linux has small market share. No, of course not. But Richard, you cannot seriously be arguing that it is either sensible or acceptable to release poor quality software as long as the target markets are small? As to its being the same half dozen people. Well, maybe. How many people on the list are exclusively using Rev on Linux? Rev's problem seems to be that it has already made the decision to have a Linux offering. So it has to make it a good quality one. Our task is not to raise the market share of Linux in order to motivate it to improve its offering. Our task may well be to try to help Rev in making their offering better by testing, inputting, even contributing if we are able. I will do what I can if its needed. But I'm not going to accept that because my platform has low market share right now, I have no right to expect a quality product until it rises. Fewer features, maybe. Those that it has must work. Richmond, my suggestion to anyone testing Rev on Linux is to get as close to bare metal as you can. Slackware, which I do not use myself, is the closest in this respect. If it fails on that, you can be absolutely sure the problem is with the app, not with some tweak of packaging. My second suggestion is to use the most stable, if not exactly leading edge, distro you can find, and that is Debian Stable. It is the most tested and scrutinized one there is. The reason is, then you can be pretty sure that bugs you encounter are not coming from your distro. Debian Stable by the way is also not what I use myself. I know that many people like and use Ubuntu in various versions. What we are looking for however is not something that pleases us. We are looking at a tool for diagnosis of the extent of problems in what is reported to be more or less buggy software. So we need to eliminate as far as possible any suggestion that there is something about our distribution which is causing our problems. The closest thing there is in the Linux world to an unproblematic distribution, though its not one I myself want to run every day particularly, is Slack. It will do the job we need. No-one can seriously say, if Rev has a problem on a basic install of Slack, that there is some problem with the distro or setup. If its a decent Linux app, it will run properly on Slack. Debian Stable is a close second in this respect. It is the same reason why, in the present state of affairs, I would avoid testing on KDE4. People may like KDE4 a lot, but up to now, if you had a problem, it was very difficult to pin down between it and the application. This is horses for courses. The problem now is eliminating variability and tying down the problems. Richard's advice is load it up and use it. Yes, I agree, but not casually. do it in a disciplined way. And on a modern machine with a modern sized screen. Get someone to use it in native mode, not in a VM, and on a full time exclusive basis. Do it professionally. We can all potentially gain from that. I suspect that quite a few of the quality problems here come from excessive reliance on testing on Ubuntu running on Parallels. I use VMs, they are wonderful. But they are not the real thing. I would never have found the screen resolution and printing problems on my VMs, because I run them in a window with different resolution settings from the primary machine. There's lots of stuff like this. If people have not found it, they have not done enough with VMs. There's a ton of problems out there, waiting for you, at the interface between a real OS and real hardware, which you will not find with the virtual hardware on the VM. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/RunRev-and-Linux-tp1835808p1836199.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Do ... as Applescript, bugs??
Andrew, I don't understand how Rev can hang and still return something. What do you mean exactly? It is probably wrong to talk directly to the AppleScript editor. I can't think of any reason why one would want that. What are you trying to do? Please, post your script. I'd be happy to try to help you on-list. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Share the clipboard of your computer with other computers on a local network with Clipboard Link http://clipbaordlink.economy-x-talk.com Op 11 apr 2010, om 18:22 heeft Andrew Meit het volgende geschreven: I am struggling to figure out why do as Applescript works once correctly but second time its fired off, Rev hangs and returns execution error. My As code works correctly within the As editor all the time. I am talking directly to the Applescript editor with my do statements. I am using 4.0. Are there known bugs with As with Rev at this time? Any As gurus willing to help please contact me off list. Thanks ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Do ... as Applescript, bugs??
On 11 Apr 2010, at 17:22, Andrew Meit wrote: I am struggling to figure out why do as Applescript works once correctly but second time its fired off, Rev hangs and returns execution error. My As code works correctly within the As editor all the time. I am talking directly to the Applescript editor with my do statements. I am using 4.0. Are there known bugs with As with Rev at this time? Any As gurus willing to help please contact me off list. Thanks Can you post a sample of your script? Also, are you scripting the Script Editor itself? Otherwise there should be no need to talk to it. Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
I just got a 16 GB iPad yesterday. I was thinking of it as a large iPod touch, but it is not. It is something new that is a blast to use. I think it will change the way people casually use technology and is a big step forward in consumer electronics. After using it for the last day, I think it is a good value as well. It can replace a net book, kindle, and a hand-held game system as well as being a media system for photos, video and music. Much more fun than I expected and I would suspect it will be a widely copied model over the next years by other companies. - Mike Mike Brown Cyber-NY Interactive 212-475-2721 Ext. 306 www.cyber-ny.com m...@cyber-ny.com Follow Us On Twitter http://www.twitter.com/cyberny On Apr 11, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Neal Campbell wrote: I had mine delivered from China on April 3rd since I ordered it the day it was available for ordering. I got the 64GB unit and its an amazing device. I think the reviewer I read that said it was the first information consumer device had it about right. There is no manual, you just press the big button and start poking and sliding your way around it. Its very snappy, the screen is beautiful and the ipad apps are very intuitive (but I also have an iPhone). Instead of keeping my laptop by my TV room chair, I have my iPad on its stand. When you want to do that quick email check (or query IMDB.org while watching a movie to get the real scoop on it), its perfect. Its not for programming or multi-page writing but the touch keyboard when in landscape view is almost the size of a mini keyboard. It should kill the netbook craze as well as the Kindle (anyone want to buy a used Kindle DX)? The Kindle app on the iPad is really nice and the iBook app is even nicer. I wish you could natively read pdf files but that means Apple allows Adobe to exist on the same planet and that obviously isn't happening. My wife is wavering on getting one. She wavered on the iPhone also and now things its the best device she has ever seen. I predict my iPad will become hers when the next gen comes around. Best wishes Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: My top 3 ideas are: 1. Swank toy. 2. Castrated computer for people who don't need laptops or PCs. 3. Tree-Free book. What are yours? Come on you-all . . . :0 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
That's y'all, not you-all! Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On Apr 11, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: My top 3 ideas are: 1. Swank toy. 2. Castrated computer for people who don't need laptops or PCs. 3. Tree-Free book. What are yours? Come on you-all . . . :0 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
Jerry- Sunday, April 11, 2010, 9:58:14 AM, you wrote: That's y'all, not you-all! I think he meant the plural, in which case it's all y'all... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
Richmond was using the plural form of y'all, which everyone knows is you y'all. --- On Sun, 4/11/10, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: From: Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com Subject: Re: [OT] What's an iPad? To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 11:58 AM That's y'all, not you-all! Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On Apr 11, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: My top 3 ideas are: 1. Swank toy. 2. Castrated computer for people who don't need laptops or PCs. 3. Tree-Free book. What are yours? Come on you-all . . . :0 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
On 11/04/2010 19:58, Jerry Daniels wrote: That's y'all, not you-all! Not in that Scottish province called Bulgaria it ain't . . . :) Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On Apr 11, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Richmond Mathewsonrichmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: My top 3 ideas are: 1. Swank toy. 2. Castrated computer for people who don't need laptops or PCs. 3. Tree-Free book. What are yours? Come on you-all . . . :0 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
On 11/04/2010 20:05, Michael Kann wrote: Richmond was using the plural form of y'all, which everyone knows is you y'all. I am sorry if I can't keep youse all happy: where I come from we don't really feel an urge for a repluralised plural - Thee and You do just fine for the singular and the plural. And, then, of course, there is that woman down in England who has major grammatical problems always referring to herself as We; mind you she suffers from all sorts of delusions such as thinking she is a legitimate monarch . . . but I digress . . . :) http://www.jacobite.ca/kings/francis2images.htm ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Do ... as Applescript, bugs??
One 'bug' that was present for me in Rev 2.7.2 and Rev 2.9.0 was in the IDE I found that after the first AScript sent to a Rev stack 'on appleevent', that subsequent calls to Rev were silent. The answer was to switch from Browse tool to Pointer, then back again. This was not the case for making calls to other programs like Excel, Photoshop, Word, etc. On Apr 11, 2010, at 9:22 AM, Andrew Meit wrote: I am struggling to figure out why do as Applescript works once correctly but second time its fired off, Rev hangs and returns execution error. My As code works correctly within the As editor all the time. I am talking directly to the Applescript editor with my do statements. I am using 4.0. Are there known bugs with As with Rev at this time? Any As gurus willing to help please contact me off list. Thanks___ Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
IPad rocks. Developing for it. Definitely in all our futures. IS a new model of enjoying and working with data in all forms. 16GB model. Surprisingly NOT a large iPhone. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On Apr 11, 2010, at 11:34 AM, Mike Brown m...@cyber-ny.com wrote: I just got a 16 GB iPad yesterday. I was thinking of it as a large iPod touch, but it is not. It is something new that is a blast to use. I think it will change the way people casually use technology and is a big step forward in consumer electronics. After using it for the last day, I think it is a good value as well. It can replace a net book, kindle, and a hand-held game system as well as being a media system for photos, video and music. Much more fun than I expected and I would suspect it will be a widely copied model over the next years by other companies. - Mike Mike Brown Cyber-NY Interactive 212-475-2721 Ext. 306 www.cyber-ny.com m...@cyber-ny.com Follow Us On Twitter http://www.twitter.com/cyberny On Apr 11, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Neal Campbell wrote: I had mine delivered from China on April 3rd since I ordered it the day it was available for ordering. I got the 64GB unit and its an amazing device. I think the reviewer I read that said it was the first information consumer device had it about right. There is no manual, you just press the big button and start poking and sliding your way around it. Its very snappy, the screen is beautiful and the ipad apps are very intuitive (but I also have an iPhone). Instead of keeping my laptop by my TV room chair, I have my iPad on its stand. When you want to do that quick email check (or query IMDB.org while watching a movie to get the real scoop on it), its perfect. Its not for programming or multi-page writing but the touch keyboard when in landscape view is almost the size of a mini keyboard. It should kill the netbook craze as well as the Kindle (anyone want to buy a used Kindle DX)? The Kindle app on the iPad is really nice and the iBook app is even nicer. I wish you could natively read pdf files but that means Apple allows Adobe to exist on the same planet and that obviously isn't happening. My wife is wavering on getting one. She wavered on the iPhone also and now things its the best device she has ever seen. I predict my iPad will become hers when the next gen comes around. Best wishes Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: My top 3 ideas are: 1. Swank toy. 2. Castrated computer for people who don't need laptops or PCs. 3. Tree-Free book. What are yours? Come on you-all . . . :0 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
All y'all is strictly limited to the imperative. It IS plural, however. All y'all come over here. Y'all is used in questions regardless of plurality. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On Apr 11, 2010, at 12:01 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Jerry- Sunday, April 11, 2010, 9:58:14 AM, you wrote: That's y'all, not you-all! I think he meant the plural, in which case it's all y'all... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
The iPad is a chance for people who can not speak to be able to Afford and Use an inexpensive and sexy device to speak for them as in my iPad application I Can Speak. For the first time in history someone can buy a speech device for less than the typical $5,000 to $10,000. The IPad is a wonderful opportunity for good software that looks great and is intuitive to use. As a designer, prototyper, and developer it breathes new life into my entire business. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgr...@comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.com/app/i-can-speak DeMoted - Have you DeMoted Someone today? http://demoted.lazyriver.on-rev.com DeMoted on the iTune App Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/demoted/id355925236?mt=8 On Apr 11, 2010, at 1:20 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 11/04/2010 20:05, Michael Kann wrote: Richmond was using the plural form of y'all, which everyone knows is you y'all. I am sorry if I can't keep youse all happy: where I come from we don't really feel an urge for a repluralised plural - Thee and You do just fine for the singular and the plural. And, then, of course, there is that woman down in England who has major grammatical problems always referring to herself as We; mind you she suffers from all sorts of delusions such as thinking she is a legitimate monarch . . . but I digress . . . :) http://www.jacobite.ca/kings/francis2images.htm ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
On 11/04/2010 20:29, Thomas McGrath III wrote: The iPad is a chance for people who can not speak to be able to Afford and Use an inexpensive and sexy device to speak for them as in my iPad application I Can Speak. For the first time in history someone can buy a speech device for less than the typical $5,000 to $10,000. I wonder: Surely any old Mac running Mac OS 8.5 can do that with all those voices? The IPad is a wonderful opportunity for good software that looks great and is intuitive to use. As a designer, prototyper, and developer it breathes new life into my entire business. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
The iPad is the resurrection of multimedia, I believe. Remember multimedia? Ryno. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
In my part of the country all y'all is not strictly imperative. It works equally well in the interrogative, i.e. Are all y'all comin' to the pig pullin' on Sa'urday? If so bring some tea? [Where tea is a beverage made by filling an empty gallon milk jug 3/4 of the way full of sugar and infusing it with a bit of tannins in water so that it doesn't appear to be clear] Beverages other than tea are to be brung implicitly... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RunRev and Linux
Peter Alcibiades wrote: my suggestion to anyone testing Rev on Linux is to get as close to bare metal as you can. That won't be the right test. If you look on page 18 of the User Guide, it explains the requirements. It's true, I believe, that testing is done on Ubuntu because that is the most popular distro right now. The user guide also says that while they strive for compatibility, they cannot deliver to everyone. Certain libraries are required, and they mention that Gnome has the ones you need. You've said you don't use that. Maybe you do have the necessary libraries installed, but I'm not familiar enough to know what those are. A better test on your end would be to bite the bullet and install Ubuntu; then see what issues continue to exist. After that, maybe you can diagnose the differences in your preferred distro so you know what may be missing. Re: RR offering a Linux version. You have it a little backward. The engine started out many years ago as a 'nix-only version of HyperCard with some additional features. For a long time, that was the only platform it was available on, since the creator Scott Raney was entirely a 'nix man. Eventually he ported it to Windows and later to Mac. When RR acquired the engine, they retained the Linux builds, but the vast majority of their customers by that time were Windows and Mac users. I think Richard has it right, that there is a necessary balance between the user base and the amount of attention and resources a platform receives. To make things worse, lots of Linux users expect software to be free and won't look twice at anything that isn't, so there's less incentive to spend a lot of effort creating something that few may purchase. That said, I agree that if a Linux version is available, it should run without problems on at least some distros. If you can isolate those problems on a distro that is stated to be supported (Ubuntu at least) then those certainly deserve some attention from the team. As Linux gains in popularity on the desktop, I have no doubt that the team could provide more expanded support. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
Richmond Mathewson wrote: And, then, of course, there is that woman down in England who has major grammatical problems always referring to herself as We; mind you she suffers from all sorts of delusions such as thinking she is a legitimate monarch . . . but I digress . . . :) Reminds me of a quote I heard, which I can't attribute and can only paraphrase: Do you mean the editorial 'we', the royal 'we', or do you have worms? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
Southeast US? I'm central Texas. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On Apr 11, 2010, at 1:03 PM, wayne durden wdur...@gmail.com wrote: In my part of the country all y'all is not strictly imperative. It works equally well in the interrogative, i.e. Are all y'all comin' to the pig pullin' on Sa'urday? If so bring some tea? [Where tea is a beverage made by filling an empty gallon milk jug 3/4 of the way full of sugar and infusing it with a bit of tannins in water so that it doesn't appear to be clear] Beverages other than tea are to be brung implicitly... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Do ... as Applescript, bugs??
Ahh I had an insight to rework it and now it works. However, am always wanting to work smart than hard... I am creating AS statements on the fly via Rev then sending them to Applescript editor to be compiled and saved via clipboard. Is there a way to send a list of AS statements to AS to be compiled and saved? Like this? do Tell process Applescriptcrto compile AS_stmts as Applescript thanks, andrew___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RunRev and Linux, Peter Alcibiades palc
Peter Alcibiades wrote: Its not Rev's fault that Linux has small market share. No, of course not. But Richard, you cannot seriously be arguing that it is either sensible or acceptable to release poor quality software as long as the target markets are small? As to its being the same half dozen people. Well, maybe. How many people on the list are exclusively using Rev on Linux? It would appear that Rev just isn't working for you on your system. I don't know why, so I can't rule out that it may indeed be because of some conspiracy or laziness or stupidity or whatever at RunRev Ltd. Some of the issues you've experienced have been reproduced by others here; other issues not; others are well known in the Linux world as having various expressions in different apps beyond Rev. But very few of these you've written about have been logged to the RQCC. And with many of your threads I've taken considerable time explaining the business drivers behind the pros and cons of the Rev Linux engine, repeatedly both here and in our private emails, only to have you ask me Why? again in the next thread you start. Going forward the archives will have to suffice; having done by best several times to answer your question and failed to provide an answer you find satisfying, I have to recognize that I have nothing to offer that will be of value to you. If Rev is working for you, you are free to use it. If Rev is not working for you, you remain as free as ever to use anything else. If I can be of help resolving any specific issue I'm happy to lend what I can to the process. In the meantime, I sincerely wish you the best of luck finding a tool that suits your needs. Feel free to drop me a note if you find a particularly interesting one; I'm always willing to learn about good options. Wishing you peace and success - -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Do ... as Applescript, bugs??
On 11 Apr 2010, at 19:18, Andrew Meit wrote: Ahh I had an insight to rework it and now it works. However, am always wanting to work smart than hard... I am creating AS statements on the fly via Rev then sending them to Applescript editor to be compiled and saved via clipboard. Is there a way to send a list of AS statements to AS to be compiled and saved? Like this? do Tell process Applescriptcrto compile AS_stmts as Applescript thanks, andrew You can compile AppleScripts via the command line although I've not done much of it. Have a look at osacompile and osascript in the Terminal. http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/osacompile.1.html Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RunRev and Linux
Jacque, I do have all the libraries installed. I do have Gnome installed, I just hardly ever use it nowadays, maybe once in 6 months. KDE the same. And I've had the same problems on two machines which are straight up Gnome systems with fairly fresh clean installs. The editor problem I have reproduced in Slitaz 3.0, just for the sake of installing on a system which had as little as possible in common with my usual systems. The application runs fine, the IDE runs fine, but the editor, under the conditions I supplied, crashes. That was under openbox, my own case is fluxbox, and the office systems were straight up Gnome with GDM and the gnome window manager, no tweaking. Bare metal is probably not a helpful way of putting it. What I mean is that there are many distributions which contain amended versions of package or heavily tweaked configuration files. Mandriva is one. I think Ubuntu is another. The main thing about Slackware which I was trying to convey, probably in a misleading expression, is not that it is stripped down and lacking basic stuff. It is not. Its rather that Patrick V and the team make strong efforts to carry packages as they come from the developer. They test of course, extensively, as an ensemble. But they are trying to make sure there is nothing or as little as possible that is unique to their distribution in terms of the packages it is made up of. I don't think they are supporting Gnome the desktop environment now - they were not, some time back. But that doesn't mean you can't get all the libraries you need, or run Gnome apps if you want. The question is how to tell where the instability in a given application is coming from. Now my other suggestion for a reference system, Debian Stable, does have variant packages, and there are lots of configuration files you cannot edit, but that is counterbalanced by the fact that it undergoes the most extensive testing of any distribution before release as Stable. I have to say, if Rev is going to announce that it supports Ubuntu, but that will not run properly on Debian Stable, or Slackware, it is going to make itself the laughing stock of the Linux world. That is not something it should even consider doing. For one thing, it will have to answer the question of which Ubuntu? It changes so rapidly. But for now, if its believed to be a matter of incompatible libraries, lets just list what you have to have installed by version for it to be certified to work. I'll happily check the versions of anything anyone wants to list, and its simple enough to be sure of running 'the right' one. Someone tell me what libraries the editor is using, maybe I can find that both my current Debian Squeeze and Slitaz have the same versions of them. Its possible. I know about the history - its how I got here. I too used to be a Hypercard user years and years ago. Ah, if only -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/RunRev-and-Linux-tp1835808p1836316.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
escaping hyphen char in menus
I can't find a way to escape the hyphen char for a menu, it just always give a divider line. Clues? Thanks andrew___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
On 11/04/2010 21:03, wayne durden wrote: In my part of the country all y'all is not strictly imperative. It works equally well in the interrogative, i.e. Are all y'all comin' to the pig pullin' on Sa'urday? Scuse I, what be a pig pullin' ? I bain't be from Thikky parts o thik world. If so bring some tea? [Where tea is a beverage made by filling an empty gallon milk jug 3/4 of the way full of sugar and infusing it with a bit of tannins in water so that it doesn't appear to be clear] Beverages other than tea are to be brung implicitly... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RunRev and Linux
On 11/04/2010 21:50, Peter Alcibiades wrote: snip I know about the history - its how I got here. I too used to be a Hypercard user years and years ago. Ah, if only Aye, well, if only. . . We might, at best, have a souped-up Hypercard rolled up inside some sort of Quicktime! And you know how well Quicktime works with Linux! To me the what if's are just a waste of time; but consider that however dicky your copy of RunRev 4 for Linux may be the fact that it runs on Linux at all sure knocks the socks of Hypercard or Supercard. I am extremely disappointed re RunRev for Linux and fonts (just in case people haven't worked that out by now); but instead of foul-mouthing RunRev (been there, done that . . . ) this time I would rather try to encourage them to rectify that problem as RunRev for Linux, even as it stands, is a fine thing. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RunRev and Linux
On 11/04/2010 21:03, J. Landman Gay wrote: snip That said, I agree that if a Linux version is available, it should run without problems on at least some distros. If you can isolate those problems on a distro that is stated to be supported (Ubuntu at least) then those certainly deserve some attention from the team. As Linux gains in popularity on the desktop, I have no doubt that the team could provide more expanded support. Well said, very well said. Unfortunately, I feel that Peter's antipathy towards Ubuntu has rather clouded the issue. Ubuntu cannot be ALL bad; the fact that it is the most popular distro at the moment, and is largely being used by people moving away from Windows says something positive. Looking at the vast range of Linuxes out there it is probably extremely unreasonable to expect anybody developing a cross-platform RAD to have it running lickety-split-perfect on all of them; the obvious answer is to target those most widely used; and those that tend to use the 3 most popular window managers (GNOME, KDE and XFCE) rather than some of the more outré ones. I wonder if RunRev might like to consider asking some of the Linux majors to include RevMedia in their distros (Yes, Yes, I know a lot of them would purse their lips and go all funny about not including closed-source software - but an increasing amount of them are realising that that is a bit daft and that some of Richard Stallman's ranting purity is getting a bit frayed round the edges)? RevMedia (prelicensed) on live-disk distros might be quite a 'pull'. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010, Richmond Mathewson wrote: If so bring some tea? [Where tea is a beverage made by filling an empty gallon milk jug 3/4 of the way full of sugar and infusing it with a bit of tannins in water so that it doesn't appear to be clear] That be sounding pretty jank to me :-P Judy (who's spent waaayyy too much time among teenagers of late) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
On 11/04/2010 22:32, Judy Perry wrote: On Sun, 11 Apr 2010, Richmond Mathewson wrote: If so bring some tea? [Where tea is a beverage made by filling an empty gallon milk jug 3/4 of the way full of sugar and infusing it with a bit of tannins in water so that it doesn't appear to be clear] That be sounding pretty jank to me :-P Judy (who's spent waaayyy too much time among teenagers of late) Judy, if your teenagers are only drinking tea (even if it is really just sugar solution) be very very happy . . . I have a 17 year old son and a 14 year old son - they only run as far as beer (as far as Daddy knows, hmpf); but I have parents of kids I teach who are worried sick about their older brothers and sisters who are smoking, drinking and so on just about everything middle-aged types like Thee and Me can imagine + a whole lot more. 1. Jank. adj- broken; unnecessarily redundant, superfluous, or meaningless; stupid or ridiculously moronic; bootleg or of questionable quality Fuck! This CD player I bought off Ebay is jank. Err . . . that just sounds like 'junk' with a changed vowel. Tells you everything about the 'Yoof' of today - they cannot even think up a few new words! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What does the 4.0 iPhone SDK mean for revMobile?
That's the same SJ who said that the future of the iPhone was in internet rich app. He later changed his mind (probably under popular pressure and witnessing what was done on jailbroken iPhones. He may change his mind again. Le 11 avr. 2010 à 10:30, David Bovill a écrit : Not good - http://bit.ly/bnTy0D ___ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010, Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 11/04/2010 22:32, Judy Perry wrote: That be sounding pretty jank to me :-P Judy, if your teenagers are only drinking tea (even if it is really just sugar solution) be very very happy . . . --Yeah, I wish. But, no. And, fortunately, they're not actually mine. 1. Jank. adj- broken; unnecessarily redundant, superfluous, or meaningless; stupid or ridiculously moronic; bootleg or of questionable quality Fuck! This CD player I bought off Ebay is jank. Err . . . that just sounds like 'junk' with a changed vowel. Tells you everything about the 'Yoof' of today - they cannot even think up a few new words! --Well, it, and its companion adjective denk/dank, both have roots in the drug culture, as does one of the teens in question, and hence they were shocked to hear my 9 year olds repeating these words in public. They seem not to have grasped that you don't teach kids words you don't want them to be using. Reminds me of the joke about the parent who tries to dismiss his child's repeating the word f*ck by blowing it off as a word to describe a female duck -- invariably that child will choose to scream it at the top of his lungs during the next school field trip ;-) Judy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
On 11/04/2010 23:08, Judy Perry wrote: --Well, it, and its companion adjective denk/dank, both have roots in the drug culture, as does one of the teens in question, and hence they were shocked to hear my 9 year olds repeating these words in public. They seem not to have grasped that you don't teach kids words you don't want them to be using. Many, many years ago when I was about 7 I dropped something heavy on my foot and exclaimed Bloody hell!' My mother was not at all happy about this; especially when I pointed out that my father had used it the day before when he cut his finger sawing wood. However; words, as we all know, don't carry semantic loads around with them; we apply semantics to words when we hear them, so what constitutes a 'bad' word is a bit of a moot point. The plumber broke his ankle when he was tap dancing; because he slipped and fell in the bath. The whole joke depends on the person who hears it NOT calling the thing which the water comes out of a faucet. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revMobile
The Android numbers are getting quite impressive: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/iPhone-OS-4-and-ComScore-Nielsen-and-ABI-studies/?kc=rss -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/revMobile-tp1788792p1836409.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: escaping hyphen char in menus
Bonjour, I don't know but, In the Archives there was a discussion in June 2009: How to put a minus in menu Best regards from Grenoble André Le 11 avr. 10 à 20:54, Andrew Meit a écrit : I can't find a way to escape the hyphen char for a menu, it just always give a divider line. Clues? Thanks andrew___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RunRev and Linux
Richmond, no, it can't be all bad. But its Debian! You do realize how it is made and what it is made out of? They have a six month schedule, on which they take packages from Debian Experimental, and make a distro. Meanwhile, the Debian guys move those same packages out of Experimental, into Unstable, then as an ensemble, into Testing, and every two-three years, after they are OK that Testing is really, really stable, they release it as a new exhaustively tested Stable. The whole Ubuntu thing is Debian. APT, Synaptic, it is Debian. The Gnome that people admire so much is the same Gnome as you get do you install Debian. But it is Debian in a form the Debian guys would not tolerate, and which more and more informed people who have tried to use Ubuntu to build their downstream Debian derivatives out of have decided you cannot sensibly use for that. Here are a couple links, the first being the redoubtable Caitlyn Martin, the second Warren Woodford. These guys are serious people and should be listened to: http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/04/ubuntu-is-a-poor-standard-bear.html The other is the case she does not mention, that of Warren Woodford of Mepis who moved away a couple of years back http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS6170488551.html It makes no sense to 'standardize' on a distribution which is made the way Ubuntu is. By all means use it if that is what one likes. I have nothing against that. But this is not about what we like, its about what we use for standardization, and the whole concept of standardizing on something which is built new every six months out of someone else's experimental packages makes no sense. The problem with this is not whether I like Ubuntu. It is that it will not work to deliver quality, because it will be picking the wrong kind of thing to be testing against. You pick something to standardize on, pick something that stays in the same place long enough for you to get a shot at it. And that is as exhaustively tested as possible, so you have some chance of knowing whether its you or the distro that is making the mistakes. By the way, talking distros and Rev, Slitaz is really amazing. 30Mb, a graphical user interface, desktop icons, a package manager, and it seems to run Rev as well as the mainline distros. I haven't tested properly at all, just fired it up and used it a bit. It looks good, and its screamingly fast. Really worth a look if you ever need to bundle your app in a turnkey, boot and run, form. Swiss. Gnomes from Zurich perhaps? Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/RunRev-and-Linux-tp1835808p1836443.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RunRev and Linux
Peter Alcibiades wrote: Here are a couple links, the first being the redoubtable Caitlyn Martin, the second Warren Woodford. These guys are serious people and should be listened to: http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/04/ubuntu-is-a-poor-standard-bear.html The other is the case she does not mention, that of Warren Woodford of Mepis who moved away a couple of years back http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS6170488551.html It makes no sense to 'standardize' on a distribution which is made the way Ubuntu is. By all means use it if that is what one likes. I have nothing against that. But this is not about what we like, its about what we use for standardization, and the whole concept of standardizing on something which is built new every six months out of someone else's experimental packages makes no sense. Both authors make some good points, but even Ms. Martin notes: To whatever part of the general non-geek public is even aware of Linux the names Linux and Ubuntu are all but interchangeable. Markets are funny things. Betamax was arguably a much better standard than VHS, and Mac arguably better than Windows. We saw how those worked out. And so it is with Ubunutu: While its historical development paths may raise some questions, the bottom line is that Ubuntu, warts and all, is the leading distro today. I didn't choose Ubuntu; the market chose it for me. I used to use Red Hat when I was starting out, then switched to SUSE for a while. I liked both of them well enough, but I simply don't have enough PCs lying around to install every major distro out there so I decided to adopt the one most folks were using. For a long time that was difficult to determine and often in flux, but in recent years Ubuntu has emerged as dominant on the desktop, and not without reason: By focusing on the end-user experience, they've made an OS that just about anyone can use without a manual. That's a BIG leap forward in a community that had historically earned for itself a reputation of appealing only to geeks. It's not my job to tell my customers which OS they should be using. My job is simply to deliver software products for the OS they already have. I don't personally care which distro any individual chooses, or whether they choose Mac, or Windows, or anything else. Diversity is good, it keeps competition healthy and maintains an efficient gene pool. But for my products and those of my clients, we've focused on Ubuntu as our primary Linux target because that's where most of our customers are. To the degree that they may favor a single distro in RunRev's offices, I suspect their thinking is similar. It simply isn't their choice to make, it's the market's. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Question about RevMobile
Le 11 avr. 2010 à 17:40, Richard Gaskin a écrit : In brief, I see the iPad as one of the most powerful an innovative media CONSUMPTION devices ever. But for media AUTHORING, we still have computers. Richard I agree with that. I also think that the usefulness of the iPad has not yet been revealed. For now, the only applications that have been shown are only adjusting the iPhone apps (question of scale) or Macintosh applications tailored to the iPad (question of use). The best is yet to come, at least I hope so. I'm waiting for new programs and it is true that I would like to build them myself. Time will tell if this is possible. René___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
This is, for me, a virtual controller : like virtual musical keyboard (by example)... Something like Lemur : http://www.jazzmutant.com/lemur_overview.php But Lemur = 2 000 euros and iPad = 500 euros... Lemur = 10 applications and iPad = 1500 (...) René Le 11 avr. 2010 à 17:49, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : My top 3 ideas are: 1. Swank toy. 2. Castrated computer for people who don't need laptops or PCs. 3. Tree-Free book. What are yours? Come on you-all . . . :0 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Showcase of Rev-built apps?
Against my own better judgement, I've got involved in one of the iPhone SDK threads over on Ars, and of course brought Rev up as something that can build native-looking apps (something that is apparently impossible!). Does anyone know of a showcase of Rev-built apps, or have links to some which are particularly Mac-like? Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Do ... as Applescript, bugs??
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:18 AM, Andrew Meit meit...@bellsouth.net wrote: Ahh I had an insight to rework it and now it works. However, am always wanting to work smart than hard... I am creating AS statements on the fly via Rev then sending them to Applescript editor to be compiled and saved via clipboard. Is there a way to send a list of AS statements to AS to be compiled and saved? Like this? do Tell process Applescriptcrto compile AS_stmts as Applescript Why? In revTalk, you can just use: do AS_stmts as Applescript and it doesn't need to be pre-compiled. You can save it as text if you want and then pull it into your app or stack and do it. Running it through the Script Editor first seems an unnecessary step. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
Just for grins, I think opinions about the iPad would be even more interesting if accompanied by ownership status. MJ and I own one. I think it's an iPad -- it's own thing. - not a computer, laptop, net book - not a big iPod touch - not a multimedia player You can certainly create on it. Draw, write, blog with pictures and words. You can communicate on it via Twitter, email, IM, VOIP. You can read books, watch movies on it. And really browse the web. No flash has turned out well. My fav sites are HTML5 now. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On Apr 11, 2010, at 5:01 PM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: This is, for me, a virtual controller : like virtual musical keyboard (by example)... Something like Lemur : http://www.jazzmutant.com/lemur_overview.php But Lemur = 2 000 euros and iPad = 500 euros... Lemur = 10 applications and iPad = 1500 (...) René Le 11 avr. 2010 à 17:49, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : My top 3 ideas are: 1. Swank toy. 2. Castrated computer for people who don't need laptops or PCs. 3. Tree-Free book. What are yours? Come on you-all . . . :0 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: My top 3 ideas are: 1. Swank toy. 2. Castrated computer for people who don't need laptops or PCs. 3. Tree-Free book. What are yours? Come on you-all . . . :0 Remember trying to explain HyperCard? Because it could do everything but had no one specific task, it was very difficult to convince people who like to be able to categorise. The iPad is the same - it's whatever you want it to be. Adam Engst's article about the blank slate is a good read: http://db.tidbits.com/article/11152. But here is the key section: So what's the difference between a Mac and an iPad? It's that blank slate thing. No matter what you do on a Mac, the keyboard and mouse and window-based operating system make it impossible to ignore the fact that you're using a Mac, and it's often equally impossible to ignore the fact that you're using a particular program. In contrast, the iPad becomes the app you're using. That's part of the magic. The hardware is so understated - it's just a screen, really - and because you manipulate objects and interface elements so smoothly and directly on the screen, the fact that you're using an iPad falls away. You're using the app, whatever it may be, and while you're doing so, the iPad is that app. Switch to another app and the iPad becomes that app. If that's not magic, I don't know what is. I haven't touched one yet, so I am just theorising at this stage, but here's my opinion: this is the first true consumer computer and is the start of the next phase of the computer revolution. Computers are about to move out the hands of the geeks and into the hands (literally) of people who don't know or care about the hardware. As developers, an iPad won't be the computer we will use for work, because we are like car mechanics and want to tinker. Most people just want to hop in the car and drive to the shops, and they don't care about the technology that makes that possible - they just want it to work reliably and easily. As developers, we should all be embracing the multitude of possibilities that this opens up for us. Cheers, Sarah P.S. Can't spare 2 cents - saving for my iPad :-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Question about RevMobile
While the iPad is no LaserDisk, it will have to do. :) For educational consumption media (multimedia), the iPad is what was promised 15-20 years before it could be implemented. I think it could prove very, very valuable in education on myriad levels. Unfortunately we are living in an era of broken budgets and cynicism on so many levels when it comes to education. When developers, working with educators, can make a decent living on developing educational software, good software may come. When the interface become obscured enough so teachers and students don't have to spend so much frustration capital problem-solving, when the per unit price point becomes low enough, and when the software and interfaces becomes clever enough, perhaps some universal good will come of it and it's counterparts. I'm hopeful. It will never replace the laptop, but with an added keyboard and pointing device it could certainly do dual service as one... after all, it is a monitor. Mark On Apr 11, 2010, at 2:48 PM, René Micout wrote: Le 11 avr. 2010 à 17:40, Richard Gaskin a écrit : In brief, I see the iPad as one of the most powerful an innovative media CONSUMPTION devices ever. But for media AUTHORING, we still have computers. Richard I agree with that. I also think that the usefulness of the iPad has not yet been revealed. For now, the only applications that have been shown are only adjusting the iPhone apps (question of scale) or Macintosh applications tailored to the iPad (question of use). The best is yet to come, at least I hope so. I'm waiting for new programs and it is true that I would like to build them myself. Time will tell if this is possible. René___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
I wish you could natively read pdf files but that means Apple allows Adobe to exist on the same planet and that obviously isn't happening. You can read PDFs. Try GoodReader http://www.goodiware.com/goodreader.html. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
And documents in the ePub format can be read on iPad. I think these can be sync'd to iBooks. There utilities for desktops to convert documents to ePub. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On Apr 11, 2010, at 5:51 PM, Sarah Reichelt sarah.reich...@gmail.com wrote: I wish you could natively read pdf files but that means Apple allows Adobe to exist on the same planet and that obviously isn't happening. You can read PDFs. Try GoodReader http://www.goodiware.com/goodreader.html. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com on April 11, 2010 at 10:01 AM -0700 wrote: I think he meant the plural, in which case it's all y'all... When I was in Texas a couple of years ago, I was told that y'all is singular, Both y'all if you are referring to two people and all y'all is plurall :) ** Stewart Lynch CreaTECH Solutions sly...@createchsol.com 604.484.8499 Skype:StewartLynch There are only 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't. ** This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual to whom they are addressed and it may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you have received this communication by mistake, please notify us immediately. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] WePad
I'm looking forward to the iPad being available in the UK. I'm also looking forward to the WePad launch; http://wepad.mobi/en/index It sounds interesting. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] WePad
I like this. Now we're talking. Can't wait to see the specs and a real one. On 11 April 2010 16:20, John Craig r...@splash21.com wrote: I'm looking forward to the iPad being available in the UK. I'm also looking forward to the WePad launch; http://wepad.mobi/en/index It sounds interesting. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard Back home in SF ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] WePad
Check out http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/03/wepad.html On 12/04/2010 00:25, stephen barncard wrote: I like this. Now we're talking. Can't wait to see the specs and a real one. On 11 April 2010 16:20, John Craigr...@splash21.com wrote: ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: FTP directory listing showing seconds
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Pierre Sahores psaho...@free.fr wrote: Hello Sarah, The first libURLSetFTPListCommand with the NLST param is used to force a preventive LibUrl vars state reset while the second one with the LIST param is used to do the job ! Not sure if this a real academic way to go but feet the needs i had (and still work as expected) to list the contents of one of my on-rev account subdirectories. Thanks for this Pierre, but it still has the problem that Richard was talking about with older files showing a date but no time. Here is an example from some test files on my site: -rw-r--r--1 troz troz0 Oct 5 2009 test.html -rw-r--r--1 troz troz 228 Mar 17 23:47 test.irev Taking Jerry's advice to get listings via CGI, I came up with the following irev script: ?rev put $_GET[folder] into tFolder put shell(ls -l --full-time tFolder) into tList delete line 1 of tList -- sum of file sizes -- format display for web page (remove next line for CGI work) replace cr with br / cr in tList put tList ? Applying this to the same files in my test folder, I get: -rw-r--r-- 1 troz troz 0 2009-10-05 19:20:21.0 -0500 test.html -rw-r--r-- 1 troz troz 228 2010-03-18 00:47:57.0 -0500 test.irev Having the seconds to 9 decimal places is a bit excessive, but the rest of the time data is really good, especially as it includes the time zone of the server. (The different time for the test.irev file is due to daylight-savings changes not being displayed, but since the time zone is there, that can be accounted for in conversions.) Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: FTP directory listing showing seconds
Thanks for the precision, Sarah. On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Pierre Sahores psaho...@free.fr wrote: Hello Sarah, The first libURLSetFTPListCommand with the NLST param is used to force a preventive LibUrl vars state reset while the second one with the LIST param is used to do the job ! Not sure if this a real academic way to go but feet the needs i had (and still work as expected) to list the contents of one of my on-rev account subdirectories. Thanks for this Pierre, but it still has the problem that Richard was talking about with older files showing a date but no time. Here is an example from some test files on my site: -rw-r--r--1 troz troz0 Oct 5 2009 test.html -rw-r--r--1 troz troz 228 Mar 17 23:47 test.irev It seems i will get the same problem with old files too, as soon as they will become old enought ;-! Fortunally Richard, Jerry and you went there to cook the solution ! Taking Jerry's advice to get listings via CGI, I came up with the following irev script: ?rev put $_GET[folder] into tFolder put shell(ls -l --full-time tFolder) into tList delete line 1 of tList -- sum of file sizes -- format display for web page (remove next line for CGI work) replace cr with br / cr in tList put tList ? Seems the way i will have to go too ! Applying this to the same files in my test folder, I get: -rw-r--r-- 1 troz troz 0 2009-10-05 19:20:21.0 -0500 test.html -rw-r--r-- 1 troz troz 228 2010-03-18 00:47:57.0 -0500 test.irev Having the seconds to 9 decimal places is a bit excessive, but the rest of the time data is really good, especially as it includes the time zone of the server. (The different time for the test.irev file is due to daylight-savings changes not being displayed, but since the time zone is there, that can be accounted for in conversions.) Kind Regards, Pierre Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Question about RevMobile
On 12/04/10 8:47 AM, Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com wrote: While the iPad is no LaserDisk, it will have to do. :) For educational consumption media (multimedia), the iPad is what was promised 15-20 years before it could be implemented. I think it could prove very, very valuable in education on myriad levels. Unfortunately we are living in an era of broken budgets and cynicism on so many levels when it comes to education. When developers, working with educators, can make a decent living on developing educational software, good software may come. When the interface become obscured enough so teachers and students don't have to spend so much frustration capital problem-solving, when the per unit price point becomes low enough, and when the software and interfaces becomes clever enough, perhaps some universal good will come of it and it's counterparts. I'm hopeful. It will never replace the laptop, but with an added keyboard and pointing device it could certainly do dual service as one... after all, it is a monitor. I still think netbooks offer greater flexibility overall but we're certainly considering iPads for use by medical students in clinical settings. The tablet form seems just about right in that case (no moving parts). I'm very much hoping that the recent iPhone OS licensing changes don't shut Rev out of the picture. Terry... Mark On Apr 11, 2010, at 2:48 PM, René Micout wrote: Le 11 avr. 2010 à 17:40, Richard Gaskin a écrit : In brief, I see the iPad as one of the most powerful an innovative media CONSUMPTION devices ever. But for media AUTHORING, we still have computers. Richard I agree with that. I also think that the usefulness of the iPad has not yet been revealed. For now, the only applications that have been shown are only adjusting the iPhone apps (question of scale) or Macintosh applications tailored to the iPad (question of use). The best is yet to come, at least I hope so. I'm waiting for new programs and it is true that I would like to build them myself. Time will tell if this is possible. René___ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
I use Files for PDFs on the iPhone. If you plan to use it much I recommend the full version: it's only a few bucks, and quick navigation through PDFs (among other things) is really useful. On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Neal Campbell nealk...@gmail.com wrote: I had mine delivered from China on April 3rd since I ordered it the day it was available for ordering. I got the 64GB unit and its an amazing device. I think the reviewer I read that said it was the first information consumer device had it about right. There is no manual, you just press the big button and start poking and sliding your way around it. Its very snappy, the screen is beautiful and the ipad apps are very intuitive (but I also have an iPhone). Instead of keeping my laptop by my TV room chair, I have my iPad on its stand. When you want to do that quick email check (or query IMDB.org while watching a movie to get the real scoop on it), its perfect. Its not for programming or multi-page writing but the touch keyboard when in landscape view is almost the size of a mini keyboard. It should kill the netbook craze as well as the Kindle (anyone want to buy a used Kindle DX)? The Kindle app on the iPad is really nice and the iBook app is even nicer. I wish you could natively read pdf files but that means Apple allows Adobe to exist on the same planet and that obviously isn't happening. My wife is wavering on getting one. She wavered on the iPhone also and now things its the best device she has ever seen. I predict my iPad will become hers when the next gen comes around. Best wishes Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: My top 3 ideas are: 1. Swank toy. 2. Castrated computer for people who don't need laptops or PCs. 3. Tree-Free book. What are yours? Come on you-all . . . :0 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
I think it's going to take a few years, but it's going to replace other ways of using computers: http://gcanyon.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/the-ipad-revolution-its-1984-all-over-again/ On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: My top 3 ideas are: 1. Swank toy. 2. Castrated computer for people who don't need laptops or PCs. 3. Tree-Free book. What are yours? Come on you-all . . . :0 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Do ... as Applescript, bugs??
I give up. It appears do AS is somehow picky/buggy or what...here is my simple code: copy to clipboard this: --testing code I have the AS code below in a field: tell application AppleScript Editor activate set fpath to /Users/ScholarMeit/Desktop/As tests/moving window make new document with data the clipboard compile document 1 save document 1 in POSIX file fpath as script close window 1 end tell With this script for the field: on enterinfield do (text of me) as Applescript put the result end enterinfield I tried both the latest beta and latest shipping version, both hang. I am using 10.6.3. iMac 21.5. It will work once and then on next time its called Rev hangs a long time then report an error. AS code works without error in Script editor. It was supposed to help me work faster...any clues? Thanks. Andrew___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] What's an iPad?
Excellent dissertation, Geoff! sqb On 11 April 2010 19:48, Geoff Canyon Rev gcanyon+...@gmail.comgcanyon%2b...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's going to take a few years, but it's going to replace other ways of using computers: http://gcanyon.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/the-ipad-revolution-its-1984-all-over-again/ On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: My top 3 ideas are: 1. Swank toy. 2. Castrated computer for people who don't need laptops or PCs. 3. Tree-Free book. What are yours? Come on you-all . . . :0 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard Back home in SF ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Do ... as Applescript, bugs??
Andrew, What is the error that you get and from where? Is it a file exists error? Perhaps that is why it works the first time and not the second in Rev; The applescript editor probably traps for that. perhaps you could try file exists in rev to check first. On 11 April 2010 20:03, Andrew Meit meit...@bellsouth.net wrote: I give up. It appears do AS is somehow picky/buggy or what...here is my simple code: copy to clipboard this: --testing code I have the AS code below in a field: tell application AppleScript Editor activate set fpath to /Users/ScholarMeit/Desktop/As tests/moving window make new document with data the clipboard compile document 1 save document 1 in POSIX file fpath as script close window 1 end tell With this script for the field: on enterinfield do (text of me) as Applescript put the result end enterinfield I tried both the latest beta and latest shipping version, both hang. I am using 10.6.3. iMac 21.5. It will work once and then on next time its called Rev hangs a long time then report an error. AS code works without error in Script editor. It was supposed to help me work faster...any clues? Thanks. Andrew___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard Back home in SF ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RunRev and Linux
On 12/04/2010 00:47, Richard Gaskin wrote: Peter Alcibiades wrote: Here are a couple links, the first being the redoubtable Caitlyn Martin, the second Warren Woodford. These guys are serious people and should be listened to: http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/04/ubuntu-is-a-poor-standard-bear.html The other is the case she does not mention, that of Warren Woodford of Mepis who moved away a couple of years back http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS6170488551.html It makes no sense to 'standardize' on a distribution which is made the way Ubuntu is. By all means use it if that is what one likes. I have nothing against that. But this is not about what we like, its about what we use for standardization, and the whole concept of standardizing on something which is built new every six months out of someone else's experimental packages makes no sense. Both authors make some good points, but even Ms. Martin notes: To whatever part of the general non-geek public is even aware of Linux the names Linux and Ubuntu are all but interchangeable. Markets are funny things. Reminds me of a chap who came with his daughter to my school a couple of years ago and said But how can those computers work without Windows? Betamax was arguably a much better standard than VHS, and Mac arguably better than Windows. We saw how those worked out. And so it is with Ubunutu: While its historical development paths may raise some questions, the bottom line is that Ubuntu, warts and all, is the leading distro today. I didn't choose Ubuntu; the market chose it for me. Yes, and an Operating System that loads from a ROM chip is probably better than one that loads from a ferro-magnetic lump! I used to use Red Hat when I was starting out, then switched to SUSE for a while. I liked both of them well enough, but I simply don't have enough PCs lying around to install every major distro out there so I decided to adopt the one most folks were using. For a long time that was difficult to determine and often in flux, but in recent years Ubuntu has emerged as dominant on the desktop, and not without reason: By focusing on the end-user experience, they've made an OS that just about anyone can use without a manual. That's a BIG leap forward in a community that had historically earned for itself a reputation of appealing only to geeks. It's not my job to tell my customers which OS they should be using. My job is simply to deliver software products for the OS they already have. I have tried that many times (but, hey, I have an abrasive personality) and more often than not got the metaphorical equivalent of a bloody nose. I don't personally care which distro any individual chooses, or whether they choose Mac, or Windows, or anything else. Diversity is good, it keeps competition healthy and maintains an efficient gene pool. But for my products and those of my clients, we've focused on Ubuntu as our primary Linux target because that's where most of our customers are. To the degree that they may favor a single distro in RunRev's offices, I suspect their thinking is similar. It simply isn't their choice to make, it's the market's. This point is really the same as your earlier posting: why RunRev might be putting more energy into RD for Mac and Win rather than Linux: we all know what puts bread and cheese on the table. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] WePad
On 12/04/2010 02:20, John Craig wrote: I'm looking forward to the iPad being available in the UK. I'm also looking forward to the WePad launch; http://wepad.mobi/en/index It sounds interesting. ___ Well, I suppose it was inevitable; the rise of the We brigade after my earlier comments about that woman in England and her delusions. As the Act of Succession is illegal under European Law (discrimination on grounds of religion), and all that follows from that necessarily falls with that one wonders what or where the UK is - probably something to do with the We brigade. --- Seriously; the things looks super, but until they drop the price to at least that of the iPad - no takers methinks. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] reading the wePad brochure
This lot cannot quite make up their mind what their target demographic is: http://www.neofonie.de/pdf/neofonie_product_sheet_WePad_v1.2.pdf Title: WePad The tablet PC for publishing houses A bit further down: The WePad provides elderly users in the core target group of newspaper and magazine publishing houses, who generally have little to no experience with PCs, with intuitive and fast access to the digital world of their children and grandchildren (Internet, e-mail, social media, etc.). and further on: In contrast to the platforms named above, the WePad is an open platform that is tailored to suit the needs of publishing houses and their audience. Aah . . . gottit (I think) . . . Its a portable electronic magazine for people who are log in the tooth. My Mother-in-law's pension would not get very far if she tried to buy one of these babies! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
