Re: Keyboards
Well thanks to this thread at least I found out where the # key went on the UK Mac keyboards, which maybe might come in handly one day. Its surreal to have it be alt + 3 unmarked. How on earth are you supposed to know that? I guess you have to read the Human Interface Guidelines? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Keyboards-tp3007302p3008197.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Ah, been extremely busy of late and have a brief moment to visit the List to discover nothing has changed, the old OS wars continues lightly disguised as Steve is Satan discussion. I'm a little surprised we are still alive after the previous apocalyptic prophesies made about the previous draconian decree forced upon us by Steve. As usual I'll vote with my wallet, and lets just see what the wallet has to say about Steve's suicidal business decisions: I believe Steve's last 'will spell the end of Apple' decision was made about 30 April when Apple stock was around $261.09. Of course, unlike an individual of integrity, who'd stand by their statements and stick with them now matter how foolish they are - a bit like the decorated military commanders we revere who just keep sending the troops to their deaths no matter the toll, because they said they'd get that job done - Steve had to eat humble pie and go back on his word, which I think occurred around Sep 10th - Apple stock had subsequently languished selling at a measly $263.41. Today the Stock is suffering at $309.52 and guess given the List's 'the end is nigh' assessment of his latest announcement, will continue to suffer badly as Apple dwindles into oblivion. Some of course might find it interesting that on 30th April Microsoft was listed at $30:54, having not made any silly decisions on 10th Sep it was listed at $23:85, and today at $25:38! Outside of the Tech industry Walmart was listed at $53:64 30th April, and again didn't make any silly decisions, so on 10th Sep were listed at $51:97, and today at $54:06. Yep, some people on this List, if they had a spare 10 grand would go out and 'eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die'. Me, between Apple and any other company represented by any individual on this List, I'd invest that 10 grand in Apple - there's still a whole heap more money to be made up until the time Steve dies, then it's SELL SELL SELL! It's strange how some people think that the real reason people buy Korean cars is because they are more reliable, cheaper and do the same job, if not better, than the more expensive European offering. The truth is, apart from a very few select individuals, Warren Buffett is the only one that comes to mind, the vast majority of consumers, if they won $133 million on the New York Mega Million Lottery, would go out and buy the Ferrari. Deep down everyone knows what they really want, but it's common sense that prevails and forces as to justify our more sensible spending. It's the marketing man's job to push that common sense boundary as high up the price ladder as he can. Steve is Satan, he's been pushing Apple from the very beginning ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
on-rev + postgreSQL
Hi All, I've got 3 sec spare to throw out a question and then I got to get back to work - I think Pierre is the one to answer this one. I've got my postgreSQL db all sorted out on on-rev, and can happily access it via irev (thanks Sarah and Andre for your online examples). My problem is I can't access the db with another user, only my primary on-rev login ID and password. I created a new user using cPanel, when I log in via phpPgAdmin (using my on-rev details) and check Privileges the new User is listed, but when I swap the new user details into my iRev script it fails to work. What have I done wrong? Also, how do I login using phpPgAdmin using the new user. Currently when I click on phpPgAdmin in cPanel it automatically logs me in using my primary account, I don't see anywhere where I can specify using a different user account. Any advise hugely appreciated - and if I don't respond for a couple of days please realise that there is still a few drops of blood left in this stone that my employer has yet to wring out :-( Oh, shhh, the boss is coming... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Help please: can't get behavior script to work
Hi I have a number of buttons which are grouped together, and then this group is grouped with other similar groups to form a super-group. I have in excess of 300 buttons then that each represent a date. When I put the mouse over any one of the buttons I want to access an array and display the relevant information for that day in a separate field. I have a mouseWithin handler to access the data. When the mouseWithin handler is in the script of the actual button all works as it should. When I move the script to a separate button and set the behavior of my original button to it - nothing happens. The Inspector shows the behavior location correctly. There are no other mouseWithin handlers in the message path. This is the line I used in the message box to set the behavior of the first of my buttons. set the behavior of btn checkBx 0 of grp sepGrp of cd calendar to the long id of btn behave of cd calendar I even tried referencing all the groups but still nothing happened. set the behavior of btn checkBx 0 of grp sepGrp of grp calendargrp of cd calendar to the long id of btn behave of cd calendar This is the corresponding behavior entry from the Inspector button id 1647 of stack timeTable3 which resolves to the button with my mousewithin script. I can strip out the core of the script into a separate handler and place it in the card script but I'd rather not replicate the remaining code 300+ times (even though it is only a dozen lines) if I can get behaviors to work. I'm using LiveCode 4.5 Bld 1080 Can anyone suggest what I'm doing wrong? Thanks. -- Regards Ian McKnight iangmckni...@gmail.com === ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Help please: can't get behavior script to work
Bonjour Ian, I just tried the following - created: - a stack - a group grButton of 3 buttons: Button1, Button2, Button3 - another group grBtn of 3 buttons: Btn1, Btn2, Btn3 - grouped the two groups in a super group grGlobal - a button BtnBehavior - a field fldTarget - put the following handler in the script of BtnBehavior: on mouseWithin put the short name of the target into fld fldTarget end mouseWithin Finally i set the behavior of grp grGlobal to the long id of btn btnBehavior of this card. Hoping that replicate your problem, Well: Does not work with mouseWithin But that works with other messages: with mouseUp, with mouseDown, with mouseMove, with mouseEnter Seems that the explanation is the last line of the doc on mouseWithin in the Dictionary: Note: If there is no mouseWithinhandler in the target object'sscript, no mouseWithinmessage is sent, even if there is a mouseWithinhandler in an object that's further along the message path. HTH Best regards from Grenoble André Le 23 oct. 10 à 13:19, Ian McKnight a écrit : Hi I have a number of buttons which are grouped together, and then this group is grouped with other similar groups to form a super-group. I have in excess of 300 buttons then that each represent a date. When I put the mouse over any one of the buttons I want to access an array and display the relevant information for that day in a separate field. I have a mouseWithin handler to access the data. When the mouseWithin handler is in the script of the actual button all works as it should. When I move the script to a separate button and set the behavior of my original button to it - nothing happens. The Inspector shows the behavior location correctly. There are no other mouseWithin handlers in the message path. This is the line I used in the message box to set the behavior of the first of my buttons. set the behavior of btn checkBx 0 of grp sepGrp of cd calendar to the long id of btn behave of cd calendar I even tried referencing all the groups but still nothing happened. set the behavior of btn checkBx 0 of grp sepGrp of grp calendargrp of cd calendar to the long id of btn behave of cd calendar This is the corresponding behavior entry from the Inspector button id 1647 of stack timeTable3 which resolves to the button with my mousewithin script. I can strip out the core of the script into a separate handler and place it in the card script but I'd rather not replicate the remaining code 300+ times (even though it is only a dozen lines) if I can get behaviors to work. I'm using LiveCode 4.5 Bld 1080 Can anyone suggest what I'm doing wrong? Thanks. -- Regards Ian McKnight iangmckni...@gmail.com === ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Help please: can't get behavior script to work
Hi Andre It does help when you read the manual :) I did read it but I missed the significance of the last line! Anyway problem is solved all I need do is pass the mouseWithin message in each button - not a great price to pay. And thank you for your very quick reply. On 23 October 2010 15:01, André Bisseret andre.bisse...@wanadoo.fr wrote: Bonjour Ian, I just tried the following - created: - a stack - a group grButton of 3 buttons: Button1, Button2, Button3 - another group grBtn of 3 buttons: Btn1, Btn2, Btn3 - grouped the two groups in a super group grGlobal - a button BtnBehavior - a field fldTarget - put the following handler in the script of BtnBehavior: on mouseWithin put the short name of the target into fld fldTarget end mouseWithin Finally i set the behavior of grp grGlobal to the long id of btn btnBehavior of this card. Hoping that replicate your problem, Well: Does not work with mouseWithin But that works with other messages: with mouseUp, with mouseDown, with mouseMove, with mouseEnter Seems that the explanation is the last line of the doc on mouseWithin in the Dictionary: Note: If there is no mouseWithinhandler in the target object'sscript, no mouseWithinmessage is sent, even if there is a mouseWithinhandler in an object that's further along the message path. HTH Best regards from Grenoble André Le 23 oct. 10 à 13:19, Ian McKnight a écrit : Hi I have a number of buttons which are grouped together, and then this group is grouped with other similar groups to form a super-group. I have in excess of 300 buttons then that each represent a date. When I put the mouse over any one of the buttons I want to access an array and display the relevant information for that day in a separate field. I have a mouseWithin handler to access the data. When the mouseWithin handler is in the script of the actual button all works as it should. When I move the script to a separate button and set the behavior of my original button to it - nothing happens. The Inspector shows the behavior location correctly. There are no other mouseWithin handlers in the message path. This is the line I used in the message box to set the behavior of the first of my buttons. set the behavior of btn checkBx 0 of grp sepGrp of cd calendar to the long id of btn behave of cd calendar I even tried referencing all the groups but still nothing happened. set the behavior of btn checkBx 0 of grp sepGrp of grp calendargrp of cd calendar to the long id of btn behave of cd calendar This is the corresponding behavior entry from the Inspector button id 1647 of stack timeTable3 which resolves to the button with my mousewithin script. I can strip out the core of the script into a separate handler and place it in the card script but I'd rather not replicate the remaining code 300+ times (even though it is only a dozen lines) if I can get behaviors to work. I'm using LiveCode 4.5 Bld 1080 Can anyone suggest what I'm doing wrong? Thanks. -- Regards Ian McKnight iangmckni...@gmail.com === ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Regards Ian McKnight iangmckni...@gmail.com === ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: put input type=file class=upload name=fileX[]
Hi Andre, I've looked at Sarah's code for this, unfortunately it also has a lot of includes, and without access to those includes it is difficult to see all of the code. :-( Other than that it looks nice. Thanks, Rick On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: I am not sure about that name=FileX[] but file uploading require more than that. It requires: action=POST and enctype=multipart/form-data on the form tag. After that you will need a MIME enclosure decoder to extract the file out of the MIME envelope that is sent to you by the browser. You can see a really good one at http://troz.net/onrev/samples/showscript.irev?showscript=upload.irev by Sarah Reichelt. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Rick Harrison harri...@all-auctions.comwrote: This line allows one to search their hard-drive for a file to upload to a server. Now I just need the magic code to process and submit the information for the upload to the On-Rev server. Anyone have experience using this method? Thanks, Rick ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution __ Rick Harrison You can buy my $10 music album Funny Time Machine digital CD on the iTunes Store Now! To visit the iTunes Store now to listen to samples of my CD please click on the following link. (Please note you must have iTunes installed on your computer for this link to work.) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=213668290 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
To most people, this has never had anything to do with OS choice or with Apple's stock price. It has to do with corporate conduct. It has to do with the following:- 1) Do you want a society in which your access to applications and thus increasingly to media is in the control of a few corporations who make the platforms? Or do you want a world in which you buy the platform, install what you want from where you want, buy, read and watch and listen to what you want from wherever you want? Its the CD model versus the iTunes model. 2) Do you as developer want to have one route to market, an App store run by the device manufacturer, and have him able to eject your stuff instantly on a whim? And then let it back in again on a whim, who knows for how long? The reason the debate now comes up with OSX has nothing to do with that OS in particular, it is that people think, reasonably enough based on the track record, that Apple is starting to move OSX to the iPod and iPad model. They don't trust it. And they think it has serious societal implications. Once again, reasonably enough, given the track record. These are the guys who ban apps based on what you can, but do not have to, use them to download, when the material you allegedly might download is perfectly legal in your jurisdiction, but for some reason, the guys at Apple do not approve of it. They banned Matlab, for Heaven's sake! A version of Ulysses! Corporate control of what you can do with your computer or your ebook reader or your tablet is a threat, probably in the West now emerging as the main threat, to intellectual freedom. This is not OS wars. This is corporate conduct wars. The same or very similar points can be made about Amazon and its ebook format and sales methods. It is perfectly possible that being on the wrong side of that debate may be very profitable for Apple and lead to rising share prices. I doubt it, I think the probable effect of these efforts at control will be to promote hacking and piracy. But even were it a good route to rising profits and stock prices, doesn't make it any righter. And the problem is, Apple always has been evil in this way, but it used not to matter because it was too small for its example to matter. Now it is getting bigger, its a real force in society. So you can no longer say, you don't like it don't buy it. You buy it or not, its influence is profound. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Mac-App-Store-tp3004425p3008464.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:36 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Its surreal to have it be alt + 3 unmarked. How on earth are you supposed to know that? I guess you have to read the Human Interface Guidelines? The keys are marked for normal, fn, and shift already. Marking them for option and option/shift as well would make them look quite cluttered. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
I swear by my Kinesis keyboard. I have it mapped dvorak but it can use the antiquated qwerty method too. On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:36 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Its surreal to have it be alt + 3 unmarked. How on earth are you supposed to know that? I guess you have to read the Human Interface Guidelines? The keys are marked for normal, fn, and shift already. Marking them for option and option/shift as well would make them look quite cluttered. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: put input type=file class=upload name=fileX[]
The upload script in this link refers to the Upload Picture sample on Sarah's very cool site. You can see a really good one at http://troz.net/onrev/samples/showscript.irev? showscript=upload.irev by Sarah Reichelt. Going to the corresponding sample page http://troz.net/onrev/samples/upload.irev and look at the bottom of the page, which has a link to the include tables.irev http://troz.net/onrev/samples/showscript.irev?showscript=includes/tables.irev All the other includes are the header, menu, and footer for her web site pages, which have nothing to do with file uploading. Hope this helps, Jim Ault Las Vegas On Oct 23, 2010, at 7:34 AM, Rick Harrison wrote: Hi Andre, I've looked at Sarah's code for this, unfortunately it also has a lot of includes, and without access to those includes it is difficult to see all of the code. :-( Other than that it looks nice. Thanks, Rick On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: I am not sure about that name=FileX[] but file uploading require more than that. It requires: action=POST and enctype=multipart/form-data on the form tag. After that you will need a MIME enclosure decoder to extract the file out of the MIME envelope that is sent to you by the browser. You can see a really good one at http://troz.net/onrev/samples/showscript.irev? showscript=upload.irev by Sarah Reichelt. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Help please: can't get behavior script to work
Le 23 oct. 10 à 16:29, Ian McKnight a écrit : Hi Andre It does help when you read the manual :) I did read it but I missed the significance of the last line! Anyway problem is solved all I need do is pass the mouseWithin message in each button - not a great price to pay. Ian, Just curious, why do you prefer mouseWithin to mouseEnter or mouseMove? (with one of these, you should not have to pay any price ;-)), should you? André And thank you for your very quick reply. On 23 October 2010 15:01, André Bisseret andre.bisse...@wanadoo.fr wrote: Bonjour Ian, I just tried the following - created: - a stack - a group grButton of 3 buttons: Button1, Button2, Button3 - another group grBtn of 3 buttons: Btn1, Btn2, Btn3 - grouped the two groups in a super group grGlobal - a button BtnBehavior - a field fldTarget - put the following handler in the script of BtnBehavior: on mouseWithin put the short name of the target into fld fldTarget end mouseWithin Finally i set the behavior of grp grGlobal to the long id of btn btnBehavior of this card. Hoping that replicate your problem, Well: Does not work with mouseWithin But that works with other messages: with mouseUp, with mouseDown, with mouseMove, with mouseEnter Seems that the explanation is the last line of the doc on mouseWithin in the Dictionary: Note: If there is no mouseWithinhandler in the target object'sscript, no mouseWithinmessage is sent, even if there is a mouseWithinhandler in an object that's further along the message path. HTH Best regards from Grenoble André Le 23 oct. 10 à 13:19, Ian McKnight a écrit : Hi I have a number of buttons which are grouped together, and then this group is grouped with other similar groups to form a super-group. I have in excess of 300 buttons then that each represent a date. When I put the mouse over any one of the buttons I want to access an array and display the relevant information for that day in a separate field. I have a mouseWithin handler to access the data. When the mouseWithin handler is in the script of the actual button all works as it should. When I move the script to a separate button and set the behavior of my original button to it - nothing happens. The Inspector shows the behavior location correctly. There are no other mouseWithin handlers in the message path. This is the line I used in the message box to set the behavior of the first of my buttons. set the behavior of btn checkBx 0 of grp sepGrp of cd calendar to the long id of btn behave of cd calendar I even tried referencing all the groups but still nothing happened. set the behavior of btn checkBx 0 of grp sepGrp of grp calendargrp of cd calendar to the long id of btn behave of cd calendar This is the corresponding behavior entry from the Inspector button id 1647 of stack timeTable3 which resolves to the button with my mousewithin script. I can strip out the core of the script into a separate handler and place it in the card script but I'd rather not replicate the remaining code 300+ times (even though it is only a dozen lines) if I can get behaviors to work. I'm using LiveCode 4.5 Bld 1080 Can anyone suggest what I'm doing wrong? Thanks. -- Regards Ian McKnight iangmckni...@gmail.com === ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti- virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Regards Ian McKnight iangmckni...@gmail.com === ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Kay C Lan wrote: I believe Steve's last 'will spell the end of Apple' decision was made about 30 April when Apple stock was around $261.09. Apple's stock price third-party developer revenue. As a shareholder, I think moving 30% of the Mac world's software revenue into their own pocket is one of the most brilliant business moves in the company's history. For Apple. For developers it's a bit different. Take a good look long at OS X 10.7's Launch Pad and consider the implications. Once independent web distribution means a 30% loss to Apple, it would be a slap in the face to their shareholders if Apple didn't do everything possible to communicate to their audience that App Store apps are the only cool ones, the only convenient ones, the only safe ones; ultimately, the only desirable ones. While it may seem comical today, this dialog box may not be completely unimaginable a year or two from now: http://livecodejournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1287696062.654893 As a developer that's frightening, but as a shareholder I would expect nothing less. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
On 10/23/2010 05:40 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: To most people, this has never had anything to do with OS choice or with Apple's stock price. It has to do with corporate conduct. It has to do with the following:- 1) Do you want a society in which your access to applications and thus increasingly to media is in the control of a few corporations who make the platforms? Or do you want a world in which you buy the platform, install what you want from where you want, buy, read and watch and listen to what you want from wherever you want? Its the CD model versus the iTunes model. 2) Do you as developer want to have one route to market, an App store run by the device manufacturer, and have him able to eject your stuff instantly on a whim? And then let it back in again on a whim, who knows for how long? The reason the debate now comes up with OSX has nothing to do with that OS in particular, it is that people think, reasonably enough based on the track record, that Apple is starting to move OSX to the iPod and iPad model. They don't trust it. And they think it has serious societal implications. Once again, reasonably enough, given the track record. These are the guys who ban apps based on what you can, but do not have to, use them to download, when the material you allegedly might download is perfectly legal in your jurisdiction, but for some reason, the guys at Apple do not approve of it. They banned Matlab, for Heaven's sake! A version of Ulysses! Corporate control of what you can do with your computer or your ebook reader or your tablet is a threat, probably in the West now emerging as the main threat, to intellectual freedom. This is not OS wars. This is corporate conduct wars. The same or very similar points can be made about Amazon and its ebook format and sales methods. It is perfectly possible that being on the wrong side of that debate may be very profitable for Apple and lead to rising share prices. I doubt it, I think the probable effect of these efforts at control will be to promote hacking and piracy. The other day, one of the kids who worked with RunRev with me over the summer asked me where he could get a copy of RevMedia for Windows as his system had been hosed by a virus and he hadn't got a backup copy. I was severely tempted . . . but didn't. But even were it a good route to rising profits and stock prices, doesn't make it any righter. And the problem is, Apple always has been evil in this way, but it used not to matter because it was too small for its example to matter. Now it is getting bigger, its a real force in society. So you can no longer say, you don't like it don't buy it. You buy it or not, its influence is profound. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
A few times in the past I've bought these discounted bundles, where you get perhaps a dozen applications for less than the price of the most expensive of them. It's generally a good deal, especially if there's just one of them that you were already thinking about buying at full price. Those economics may seems crazy, the software developers must be getting 1/10th the amount they normally would. But then they are probably selling to more than ten times as many people as normal, so overall they have earned more in the same period that usual. It doesn't matter anyway, because where they go on to make more money is in upgrades. I have several bits of software that I keep up on the upgrades. The developers may well have made five times the original amount from me. So, in the Mac App Store there will be lots of winners. All the current publishers could sell a lot more copies of their apps by lowering the price as much as is viable, and later they will make money off those buyers when the upgrades come out (I don't think upgrades will be expected to be free like they are with iOS apps). Then there is all of us, people who might not be able to convince a publisher to carry such a niche application. We'll be able to submit applications, and some of those might be as big a hit as Plexxr, for example. If I took a guess, I'd say that Mac Apps will be typically $9.95. That's not quite as impulse purchase encouraging as $0.99 or $1.99 is, but it's still is a reasonable figure. I dare say there will be tie-ins too, where you create a desktop app that works along with a mobile part. Then you make $10 for one and $2 for the other. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
On 10/23/2010 07:19 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Kay C Lan wrote: I believe Steve's last 'will spell the end of Apple' decision was made about 30 April when Apple stock was around $261.09. Apple's stock price third-party developer revenue. As a shareholder, I think moving 30% of the Mac world's software revenue into their own pocket is one of the most brilliant business moves in the company's history. For Apple. For developers it's a bit different. Take a good look long at OS X 10.7's Launch Pad and consider the implications. Once independent web distribution means a 30% loss to Apple, it would be a slap in the face to their shareholders if Apple didn't do everything possible to communicate to their audience that App Store apps are the only cool ones, the only convenient ones, the only safe ones; ultimately, the only desirable ones. While it may seem comical today, this dialog box may not be completely unimaginable a year or two from now: http://livecodejournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1287696062.654893 As a developer that's frightening, but as a shareholder I would expect nothing less. Your reasoning is clear; if Computers and Software are regarded as Business one thing, if they are regarded as Educational Tools another thing. But, all rather difficult to have both as they do seem to be becoming, increasingly, mutually exclusive. I am just in the process of moving my EFL school from 1 room to 3 bigger ones; 2 classrooms and a free space where kids can hang around and do their homework, eat their sandwiches, talk about the price of fish, or whatever, between their English classes and when they go down the road to their regular school. As a business friend remarked; That's bad business; you could have another classroom there with another teacher. To which my reply was; Sorry, I'm not made like that. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
Peter Alcibiades wrote: Well thanks to this thread at least I found out where the # key went on the UK Mac keyboards, which maybe might come in handly one day. Its surreal to have it be alt + 3 unmarked. How on earth are you supposed to know that? I guess you have to read the Human Interface Guidelines? You can show the Keyboard Viewer, which is the old Keycaps utility remade. To get there on OS X, tick Show Keyboard Character Viewer in menu bar in the Keyboard system prefs. Then you can choose Keyboard Viewer from the menu item and see all the key options by holding down different keys on your keyboard. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] Mac App Store
I believe Steve's last 'will spell the end of Apple' decision was made about 30 April when Apple stock was around $261.09. Apple's stock price third-party developer revenue. As a shareholder, I think moving 30% of the Mac world's software revenue into their own pocket is one of the most brilliant business moves in the company's history. For Apple. For developers it's a bit different. I think as a quarter-by-quarter plan, it is brilliant. But my limited experience tells me that there is a tendency in our industry for new or old parties to come up with game changers that shift the balance of power (or balance of market share). I am certain that the gnomes of Apple have mapped out every possible revenue stream that is associated with Apple related products or spheres of influence, and after moving to own the ones that are critical to quarter-to-quarter share value, they have moved, step by step, to own and control the others. That's what Thoughts on Flash was all about. As Apple gains control of these areas, third parties either reconfigure or abandon the platform. The borders expand as previous partners either are absorbed or give way to an Apple offering. But then, when one of those game changers comes along, Apple is at both its strongest and weakest. I am not discounting their consumer focus, which is brilliant. The success in those markets was achieved through making compeling products AND taking ownership of the customer relationship by opening Apple Stores, launching the online Apple store that matches any source in terms of price. For Apple, ownership of the customer relationship is of critical importance - but if you play in the Mac App Store, that's exactly what you are giving up to them. Begin theme music from The Lord of the Rings :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Kay, I get it you're a big Apple fan. Good for you. I'm curious, do you make a living writing and selling Mac software, or just investing in Apple stock and watching it rise? Perhaps it might help looking at things from a developer's point of view. Do you think it fair Apple exchanges a 70% royalty check for taking your customers-- forcing you to use THEIR license and copy protection scheme? What if someone hacks the DRM (and you know they will)-- how fast do you think Apple will act then? What if you release something which is not right, and you want to instantly update it, but you can't because Apple requires update submissions to go through a grueling submission process which takes days, instead of seconds like we are used to? Furthermore, what if Apple could, on a whim, kill your whole AppStore business down the road because they didn't like your new interface? Then, you have to ghetto-market your new product without even knowing who your previous customers were. I suspect my own product, ButtonGadget would be banned from the store because it has a non standard interface. And you would surely reply with a grin, nothing keeps you from marketing it yourself. Tell that to the thousands of family run storefronts obliterated when a WalMart moves into a small town. There is no way a small developer can compete, except in the ghetto. I guarantee one thing. There will be huge downward price pressure on apps. Apple has even said how they will take longer to evaluate a submission the more expensive it is. I remember when people said apps for iPad would be significantly more expensive than for iPhone. They were wrong, too. Most still wince at paying over 4 bucks an app. While many of you really believe this is better for the customer, I believe it is worse. There are a number of beta and not yet finished apps which will be banned as well. And lots of small developers, including yours truly, will just abandon the Mac altogether, because the threshold for putting up with Apple is just too high. And once developers figure out how few Macs are actually out there (not like the number of iPhones), and how little money they make at 70% of a buck ninety-nine, they will be forced to look at other platforms to develop for. I'm tired of Steve making decisions in the best interest of me. I still wish I could run flash video on my iPad, and I seriously wouldn't mind the occasional crash. Heck, the browser I use crashes every 15 minutes anyway. On Saturday, October 23, 2010, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, been extremely busy of late and have a brief moment to visit the List to discover nothing has changed, the old OS wars continues lightly disguised as Steve is Satan discussion. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
Presumably they wanted to have the pound sterling symbol more naturally available, so they swapped the sterling and the # mappings -- option-3 vs shift-3. It would have made more sense for them to have mapped the sterling symbol to shift-4, where the dollar sign is. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:36 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Well thanks to this thread at least I found out where the # key went on the UK Mac keyboards, which maybe might come in handly one day. Its surreal to have it be alt + 3 unmarked. How on earth are you supposed to know that? I guess you have to read the Human Interface Guidelines? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Keyboards-tp3007302p3008197.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
On Oct 23, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: Presumably they wanted to have the pound sterling symbol more naturally available, so they swapped the sterling and the # mappings -- option-3 vs shift-3. It would have made more sense for them to have mapped the sterling symbol to shift-4, where the dollar sign is. Depends how you look at it. For example, ¥ is option Y, and € is option shift 2. So currency things are spread all over the place. Whereas hash (#) is called pound in the US, so using option-3 and shift-3 for two of the uses of the word pound, makes some sense. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Help please: can't get behavior script to work
On Oct 23, 2010, at 11:41 AM, André Bisseret wrote: Le 23 oct. 10 à 16:29, Ian McKnight a écrit : Hi Andre It does help when you read the manual :) I did read it but I missed the significance of the last line! Anyway problem is solved all I need do is pass the mouseWithin message in each button - not a great price to pay. Ian, Just curious, why do you prefer mouseWithin to mouseEnter or mouseMove? (with one of these, you should not have to pay any price ;-)), should you? I always use mousemove for this kind of thing, for that exact reason -- no mousemove is sent unless the object itself has a mousemove handler, which is cumbersome if you want some generic behavior when the mouse is within any button, for instance. André And thank you for your very quick reply. On 23 October 2010 15:01, André Bisseret andre.bisse...@wanadoo.fr wrote: Bonjour Ian, I just tried the following - created: - a stack - a group grButton of 3 buttons: Button1, Button2, Button3 - another group grBtn of 3 buttons: Btn1, Btn2, Btn3 - grouped the two groups in a super group grGlobal - a button BtnBehavior - a field fldTarget - put the following handler in the script of BtnBehavior: on mouseWithin put the short name of the target into fld fldTarget end mouseWithin Finally i set the behavior of grp grGlobal to the long id of btn btnBehavior of this card. Hoping that replicate your problem, Well: Does not work with mouseWithin But that works with other messages: with mouseUp, with mouseDown, with mouseMove, with mouseEnter Seems that the explanation is the last line of the doc on mouseWithin in the Dictionary: Note: If there is no mouseWithinhandler in the target object'sscript, no mouseWithinmessage is sent, even if there is a mouseWithinhandler in an object that's further along the message path. HTH Best regards from Grenoble André Le 23 oct. 10 à 13:19, Ian McKnight a écrit : Hi I have a number of buttons which are grouped together, and then this group is grouped with other similar groups to form a super-group. I have in excess of 300 buttons then that each represent a date. When I put the mouse over any one of the buttons I want to access an array and display the relevant information for that day in a separate field. I have a mouseWithin handler to access the data. When the mouseWithin handler is in the script of the actual button all works as it should. When I move the script to a separate button and set the behavior of my original button to it - nothing happens. The Inspector shows the behavior location correctly. There are no other mouseWithin handlers in the message path. This is the line I used in the message box to set the behavior of the first of my buttons. set the behavior of btn checkBx 0 of grp sepGrp of cd calendar to the long id of btn behave of cd calendar I even tried referencing all the groups but still nothing happened. set the behavior of btn checkBx 0 of grp sepGrp of grp calendargrp of cd calendar to the long id of btn behave of cd calendar This is the corresponding behavior entry from the Inspector button id 1647 of stack timeTable3 which resolves to the button with my mousewithin script. I can strip out the core of the script into a separate handler and place it in the card script but I'd rather not replicate the remaining code 300+ times (even though it is only a dozen lines) if I can get behaviors to work. I'm using LiveCode 4.5 Bld 1080 Can anyone suggest what I'm doing wrong? Thanks. -- Regards Ian McKnight iangmckni...@gmail.com === -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] LaunchPad is a registered trademark - of Canonical Inc.
Turns out that the name LaunchPad is a registered trademark of Canonical Inc., makers of Ubuntu: https://help.launchpad.net/Legal From the USPTO.gov's trademark database: Word Mark: LAUNCHPAD Goods and Services: IC 035. US 100 101 102. G S: LICENSING COMPUTER SOFTWARE. FIRST USE: 20040500. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20040500 Serial Number: 78735120 Filing Date: October 18, 2005 Published for Opposition: June 27, 2006 Registration Number: 3145314 Registration Date: September 19, 2006 Owner (REGISTRANT): Canonical Limited COMPANY ISLE OF MAN One Circular Road Douglas ISLE OF MAN 1M1 1AF Attorney of Record: Lloyd McAulay Type of Mark: SERVICE MARK Register: PRINCIPAL Live/Dead Indicator: LIVE It'll be interesting to see how that turns out. Maybe Apple can license it from Canonical, and Canonical can use the money to beef up Ubuntu, the other user-friendly Unix-based OS. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] LaunchPad is a registered trademark - of Canonical Inc.
On Oct 23, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Turns out that the name LaunchPad is a registered trademark of Canonical Inc., makers of Ubuntu: Fortunately, the Apple software is called Launch Pad: http://www.apple.com/webapps/productivity/launchpad.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] LaunchPad is a registered trademark - of Canonical Inc.
On Oct 23, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: Fortunately, the Apple software is called Launch Pad: http://www.apple.com/webapps/productivity/launchpad.html My mistake, it is indeed Lanchpad: http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/ It even uses the lowercase p like the Ubuntu one. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: on-rev + postgreSQL
Hello Kay, Hi All, I've got 3 sec spare to throw out a question and then I got to get back to work - I think Pierre is the one to answer this one. I've got my postgreSQL db all sorted out on on-rev, and can happily access it via irev (thanks Sarah and Andre for your online examples). My problem is I can't access the db with another user, only my primary on-rev login ID and password. I created a new user using cPanel, when I log in via phpPgAdmin (using my on-rev details) and check Privileges the new User is listed, but when I swap the new user details into my iRev script it fails to work. You just have to add the new pg user you created as able to act as a privileged user of both your tables and their sequences. To do this, just pick the privilege tab of the cPanel for each component (tables and sequences), select your pg user in the top list and pick the SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE, DELETE checkboxes and save the new granted rights. After this, all will just run fine and as expected. What have I done wrong? Also, how do I login using phpPgAdmin using the new user. Currently when I click on phpPgAdmin in cPanel it automatically logs me in using my primary account, I don't see anywhere where I can specify using a different user account. You don't have to care about this as long as you follow the previous steps. I don't think it's possible, at least with the actual cPanel config., and i connect, for my own, the phpPgAdmin in letting it authenticate me with the on-rev account owner credentials. No problem to expect, in about the security of your online apps as long as they are only available to you .irev scripts with the pg user granted rights only (witch will be the case in fact and in practice). Any advise hugely appreciated - and if I don't respond for a couple of days please realise that there is still a few drops of blood left in this stone that my employer has yet to wring out :-( HTH, Kind regards, Pierre Oh, shhh, the boss is coming... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Help please: can't get behavior script to work
Do you know I never really thought about using either mouseenter or mousemove :) As I was thinking about various ways to solve my problem it just seemed 'natural' to do something when the mouse was within the button area and I fixed on that. I will alter my code to use mouseEnter because I like the simplicity of the behavior not requiring any code in the buttons but I have learned a useful tip about mouseWithin and mouseMove. Thanks again. On 23 October 2010 19:00, Peter Brigham MD pmb...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 23, 2010, at 11:41 AM, André Bisseret wrote: Le 23 oct. 10 à 16:29, Ian McKnight a écrit : Hi Andre It does help when you read the manual :) I did read it but I missed the significance of the last line! Anyway problem is solved all I need do is pass the mouseWithin message in each button - not a great price to pay. Ian, Just curious, why do you prefer mouseWithin to mouseEnter or mouseMove? (with one of these, you should not have to pay any price ;-)), should you? I always use mousemove for this kind of thing, for that exact reason -- no mousemove is sent unless the object itself has a mousemove handler, which is cumbersome if you want some generic behavior when the mouse is within any button, for instance. André And thank you for your very quick reply. On 23 October 2010 15:01, André Bisseret andre.bisse...@wanadoo.fr wrote: Bonjour Ian, I just tried the following - created: - a stack - a group grButton of 3 buttons: Button1, Button2, Button3 - another group grBtn of 3 buttons: Btn1, Btn2, Btn3 - grouped the two groups in a super group grGlobal - a button BtnBehavior - a field fldTarget - put the following handler in the script of BtnBehavior: on mouseWithin put the short name of the target into fld fldTarget end mouseWithin Finally i set the behavior of grp grGlobal to the long id of btn btnBehavior of this card. Hoping that replicate your problem, Well: Does not work with mouseWithin But that works with other messages: with mouseUp, with mouseDown, with mouseMove, with mouseEnter Seems that the explanation is the last line of the doc on mouseWithin in the Dictionary: Note: If there is no mouseWithinhandler in the target object'sscript, no mouseWithinmessage is sent, even if there is a mouseWithinhandler in an object that's further along the message path. HTH Best regards from Grenoble André Le 23 oct. 10 à 13:19, Ian McKnight a écrit : Hi I have a number of buttons which are grouped together, and then this group is grouped with other similar groups to form a super-group. I have in excess of 300 buttons then that each represent a date. When I put the mouse over any one of the buttons I want to access an array and display the relevant information for that day in a separate field. I have a mouseWithin handler to access the data. When the mouseWithin handler is in the script of the actual button all works as it should. When I move the script to a separate button and set the behavior of my original button to it - nothing happens. The Inspector shows the behavior location correctly. There are no other mouseWithin handlers in the message path. This is the line I used in the message box to set the behavior of the first of my buttons. set the behavior of btn checkBx 0 of grp sepGrp of cd calendar to the long id of btn behave of cd calendar I even tried referencing all the groups but still nothing happened. set the behavior of btn checkBx 0 of grp sepGrp of grp calendargrp of cd calendar to the long id of btn behave of cd calendar This is the corresponding behavior entry from the Inspector button id 1647 of stack timeTable3 which resolves to the button with my mousewithin script. I can strip out the core of the script into a separate handler and place it in the card script but I'd rather not replicate the remaining code 300+ times (even though it is only a dozen lines) if I can get behaviors to work. I'm using LiveCode 4.5 Bld 1080 Can anyone suggest what I'm doing wrong? Thanks. -- Regards Ian McKnight iangmckni...@gmail.com === -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig http://home.comcast.net/%7Epmbrig ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Regards Ian McKnight iangmckni...@gmail.com === ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Help please: can't get behavior script to work
Beware of mouseenter. In my experience, when the mouse is moving fast mouseenter sometimes doesn't get sent (this ought to be labeled as a bug). Mousemove is more reliable, though it will get called repeatedly. Unless you are doing something very complex on mousemove, however, it won't slow anything down. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Oct 23, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Ian McKnight wrote: Do you know I never really thought about using either mouseenter or mousemove :) As I was thinking about various ways to solve my problem it just seemed 'natural' to do something when the mouse was within the button area and I fixed on that. I will alter my code to use mouseEnter because I like the simplicity of the behavior not requiring any code in the buttons but I have learned a useful tip about mouseWithin and mouseMove. Thanks again. On 23 October 2010 19:00, Peter Brigham MD pmb...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 23, 2010, at 11:41 AM, André Bisseret wrote: Le 23 oct. 10 à 16:29, Ian McKnight a écrit : Hi Andre It does help when you read the manual :) I did read it but I missed the significance of the last line! Anyway problem is solved all I need do is pass the mouseWithin message in each button - not a great price to pay. Ian, Just curious, why do you prefer mouseWithin to mouseEnter or mouseMove? (with one of these, you should not have to pay any price ;-)), should you? I always use mousemove for this kind of thing, for that exact reason -- no mousemove is sent unless the object itself has a mousemove handler, which is cumbersome if you want some generic behavior when the mouse is within any button, for instance. André And thank you for your very quick reply. On 23 October 2010 15:01, André Bisseret andre.bisse...@wanadoo.fr wrote: Bonjour Ian, I just tried the following - created: - a stack - a group grButton of 3 buttons: Button1, Button2, Button3 - another group grBtn of 3 buttons: Btn1, Btn2, Btn3 - grouped the two groups in a super group grGlobal - a button BtnBehavior - a field fldTarget - put the following handler in the script of BtnBehavior: on mouseWithin put the short name of the target into fld fldTarget end mouseWithin Finally i set the behavior of grp grGlobal to the long id of btn btnBehavior of this card. Hoping that replicate your problem, Well: Does not work with mouseWithin But that works with other messages: with mouseUp, with mouseDown, with mouseMove, with mouseEnter Seems that the explanation is the last line of the doc on mouseWithin in the Dictionary: Note: If there is no mouseWithinhandler in the target object'sscript, no mouseWithinmessage is sent, even if there is a mouseWithinhandler in an object that's further along the message path. HTH Best regards from Grenoble André Le 23 oct. 10 à 13:19, Ian McKnight a écrit : Hi I have a number of buttons which are grouped together, and then this group is grouped with other similar groups to form a super-group. I have in excess of 300 buttons then that each represent a date. When I put the mouse over any one of the buttons I want to access an array and display the relevant information for that day in a separate field. I have a mouseWithin handler to access the data. When the mouseWithin handler is in the script of the actual button all works as it should. When I move the script to a separate button and set the behavior of my original button to it - nothing happens. The Inspector shows the behavior location correctly. There are no other mouseWithin handlers in the message path. This is the line I used in the message box to set the behavior of the first of my buttons. set the behavior of btn checkBx 0 of grp sepGrp of cd calendar to the long id of btn behave of cd calendar I even tried referencing all the groups but still nothing happened. set the behavior of btn checkBx 0 of grp sepGrp of grp calendargrp of cd calendar to the long id of btn behave of cd calendar This is the corresponding behavior entry from the Inspector button id 1647 of stack timeTable3 which resolves to the button with my mousewithin script. I can strip out the core of the script into a separate handler and place it in the card script but I'd rather not replicate the remaining code 300+ times (even though it is only a dozen lines) if I can get behaviors to work. I'm using LiveCode 4.5 Bld 1080 Can anyone suggest what I'm doing wrong? Thanks. -- Regards Ian McKnight iangmckni...@gmail.com === -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig http://home.comcast.net/%7Epmbrig ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution --
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
One more thing. This isn't about OS wars. At least not from the perspective I believe you may be talking about. While I certainly don't agree with Steve on many issues, and one may infer he may be Satan, he's a much smarter Satan than anyone else-- by far. Just look at how weak the competition is in consumer computing. Couple of years ago Microsoft acquired Danger and the Sidekick platform. They work embellishing it for two years, then admist moderate hoopla, they release the new KIM- a social network phone. It sells-- what-- 500 units it's first month? Can anyone seriously even think Apple could eFF that up as bad? Heck, Apple can rebrand a steaming pile of you know what and sell more than 500 units in a month. No, as long a Balmer's at the helm, MS will NEVER be able to compete in the consumer arena outside of Windows and Office. Period. Peter will be angry because soon it will be called the Balmer principle. And Google is like your idiot uncle who just happened to strike oil while planting a Mary Jane garden out back. Uncle Google is so very rich and throws money at anything and everything (except when it comes to paying taxes. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-21/google-2-4-rate-shows-how-60-billion-u-s-revenue-lost-to-tax-loopholes.html ). Google's not interested in charging consumers for anything, because if it's free, they don't have to support it. They've changed Google DOCS, actually REMOVING features so it's no longer compatible with earlier vesions without so much as a single focus group. And speaking of Google Docs, you still can't edit them on an Android, which has been out for THREE YEARS. I guess working on web apps does take longer. And the Android platform is another 'stellar' product not yet ready for tablets by their own admission. I guess Apple snuck up on Google with the iPad. Maybe Google should get their own RSS feed of Engadget, or Gizmodo. The thought of a Google store scares Shcmidt probably about as much as the tax man does right about now. They haven't had a significant upgrade to Gmail, or SketchUp or any of their products in so long (other than the downgrade on GDocs), it's scary. Nope, Google is a bunch of rich kids playing with toys, trying to invent crap *like Wave* and hoping it catches on so they can sell more ads. HP and others are starting to finally understand, Google won't help them compete against the careful and well thought strategies from Stevie and Apple. Steve's presentation last week was a marvel to behold. Each time he reveals only a bit more of the master plan to control the universe, which is looking more and more like it can't fail. Especially with the willing fans Apple has. The single flaw in the strategy is Steve's own mortality. Furthermore, does anyone really see a threat of a MS AppStore or a Google AppStore? Heck no-- because we all KNOW neither could ever pull it off. But Apple-- that's different. On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, been extremely busy of late and have a brief moment to visit the List to discover nothing has changed, the old OS wars continues lightly disguised as Steve is Satan discussion. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] LaunchPad is a registered trademark - of Canonical Inc.
On 10/23/2010 10:51 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: On Oct 23, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Turns out that the name LaunchPad is a registered trademark of Canonical Inc., makers of Ubuntu: Fortunately, the Apple software is called Launch Pad: http://www.apple.com/webapps/productivity/launchpad.html Nothing quite like a SPACE; rather like a gap between one's 2 front teeth . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] LaunchPad is a registered trademark - of Canonical Inc.
On 10/23/2010 10:57 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: On Oct 23, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: Fortunately, the Apple software is called Launch Pad: http://www.apple.com/webapps/productivity/launchpad.html My mistake, it is indeed Lanchpad: http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/ It even uses the lowercase p like the Ubuntu one. Let's open a restaurant called Lunchpad and invite Steve Jobs and the Astronaut round for 'nibbles'. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
On 10/24/2010 12:14 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: One more thing. This isn't about OS wars. At least not from the perspective I believe you may be talking about. While I certainly don't agree with Steve on many issues, and one may infer he may be Satan, he's a much smarter Satan than anyone else-- by far. Just look at how weak the competition is in consumer computing. Couple of years ago Microsoft acquired Danger and the Sidekick platform. They work embellishing it for two years, then admist moderate hoopla, they release the new KIM- a social network phone. It sells-- what-- 500 units it's first month? Can anyone seriously even think Apple could eFF that up as bad? Heck, Apple can rebrand a steaming pile of you know what and sell more than 500 units in a month. Umm . . . really; I thought that Microsoft were very good at that . . . take Windows for instance. No, as long a Balmer's at the helm, MS will NEVER be able to compete in the consumer arena outside of Windows and Office. Period. Peter will be angry because soon it will be called the Balmer principle. And Google is like your idiot uncle who just happened to strike oil while planting a Mary Jane garden out back. Uncle Google is so very rich and throws money at anything and everything (except when it comes to paying taxes. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-21/google-2-4-rate-shows-how-60-billion-u-s-revenue-lost-to-tax-loopholes.html ). Google's not interested in charging consumers for anything, because if it's free, they don't have to support it. They've changed Google DOCS, actually REMOVING features so it's no longer compatible with earlier vesions without so much as a single focus group. And speaking of Google Docs, you still can't edit them on an Android, which has been out for THREE YEARS. I guess working on web apps does take longer. And the Android platform is another 'stellar' product not yet ready for tablets by their own admission. I guess Apple snuck up on Google with the iPad. Maybe Google should get their own RSS feed of Engadget, or Gizmodo. The thought of a Google store scares Shcmidt probably about as much as the tax man does right about now. They haven't had a significant upgrade to Gmail, or SketchUp or any of their products in so long (other than the downgrade on GDocs), it's scary. Nope, Google is a bunch of rich kids playing with toys, trying to invent crap *like Wave* and hoping it catches on so they can sell more ads. HP and others are starting to finally understand, Google won't help them compete against the careful and well thought strategies from Stevie and Apple. Steve's presentation last week was a marvel to behold. Each time he reveals only a bit more of the master plan to control the universe, which is looking more and more like it can't fail. Especially with the willing fans Apple has. The single flaw in the strategy is Steve's own mortality. Furthermore, does anyone really see a threat of a MS AppStore or a Google AppStore? Heck no-- because we all KNOW neither could ever pull it off. But Apple-- that's different. On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Kay C Lanlan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, been extremely busy of late and have a brief moment to visit the List to discover nothing has changed, the old OS wars continues lightly disguised as Steve is Satan discussion. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] Mac App Store
release the new KIM- a social network phone. It sells-- what-- 500 units it's first month? Can anyone seriously even think Apple could eFF that up as bad? Heck, Apple can rebrand a steaming pile of you know what and sell more than 500 units in a month. Umm . . . really; I thought that Microsoft were very good at that . . . take Windows for instance. Everything exists on a timeline. If you recall, Windows started as basically a shell on top of (a) DOS, and the transition to Windows 95 was around the time that Apple was still in OS 7.x. MS and DOS (and later Windows) catered to business in a big way, and they had some good friends too that helped them, whereas it was less of a priority with Apple (and far more of a priority in the education market). For all its mistakes, MS has done a good job consistently supporting the corporate world. All companies have their share of blunders, some are just more fun to talk about than others. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Mac App Store
Exactly. Sharepoint, .NET, SQLServer and other enterprise offerings are all fine products, offering fine value for corporate America and are well-supported. IMO, MS stubbed their toe on WindowsME and Vista. The others were actually pretty good. In fact, I really like Win7. The same version of altBrowser that ran on the first versions of Win2000 still ran years later on Windows 7. Certainly the same can't be said for OSX. But anything they've done in Smartphones or other 'consumer like' products like set top boxes (remember WebTV?), they haven't done as well. The single exception in XBox360-- and to this day I still don't understand how that one succeeded. On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com wrote: For all its mistakes, MS has done a good job consistently supporting the corporate world. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] LaunchPad is a registered trademark - of Canonical Inc.
Thanks for that. I was worried about my new app called EYE-tunes. I now expect no legal concerns from Apple because mine's spelled different from there's. On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: On Oct 23, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Turns out that the name LaunchPad is a registered trademark of Canonical Inc., makers of Ubuntu: Fortunately, the Apple software is called Launch Pad: http://www.apple.com/webapps/productivity/launchpad.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] LaunchPad is a registered trademark - of Canonical Inc.
On Oct 23, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Thanks for that. I was worried about my new app called EYE-tunes. I now expect no legal concerns from Apple because mine's spelled different from there's. Perhaps you could get away with calling it something with inverted text: sǝunʇı ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] LaunchPad is a registered trademark - of Canonical Inc.
that's hilarious. had me fooled. Ahhh unicode. On 23 October 2010 16:05, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: On Oct 23, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Thanks for that. I was worried about my new app called EYE-tunes. I now expect no legal concerns from Apple because mine's spelled different from there's. Perhaps you could get away with calling it something with inverted text: sǝunʇı ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] Mac App Store
But anything they've done in Smartphones or other 'consumer like' products like set top boxes (remember WebTV?), they haven't done as well. The single exception in XBox360-- and to this day I still don't understand how that one succeeded. Xbox / Xbox 360 have been much easier to develop for (in terms of both the actual development and the business side) than Nintendo or PlayStation. XNA lets you pretty much develop your PC and Xbox games using the same source code. My understanding is that the same code is portable to Zune (and I believe Windows 7 Phone). Xbox Live is also an easy to use system for downloading games, playing multi-player games, etc. Historically, when Sony shipped the Playstation it was easier to develop for than Nintendo and Segas offerings, but Xbox development is pretty much like developing for Windows. Xbox has done really well in the Americas and Europe, but its had a very rough time in Asia. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ANN] IDE Extension Plugin on revOnline
Dear List, About a month ago the Slug has announced the availability of a small plugin to extend the capability of the IDE. In case you missed it, this plugin allows: - resizing of selected controls by 1 pixel with arrowkeys when the alt key is pressed. With the shift key modifier, the controls are resized by 10 pixels increments. - activate temporaly the selection mode to surround, by hold down the i key when selecting objects. No particular change excepted a clarification in the doc (thanks Swami ;)). The plugin is now available on revOnline. Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] IDE Extension Plugin on revOnline
Cool :D thanks for that :D On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 9:34 PM, zryip theSlug zryip.thes...@gmail.comwrote: Dear List, About a month ago the Slug has announced the availability of a small plugin to extend the capability of the IDE. In case you missed it, this plugin allows: - resizing of selected controls by 1 pixel with arrowkeys when the alt key is pressed. With the shift key modifier, the controls are resized by 10 pixels increments. - activate temporaly the selection mode to surround, by hold down the i key when selecting objects. No particular change excepted a clarification in the doc (thanks Swami ;)). The plugin is now available on revOnline. Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: put input type=file class=upload name=fileX[]
Hi Andre, Jim, Sarah, Richard Thanks for your help on this. I finally got it to work, and without any javascript! I had to write a PHP script first to better understand exactly what was going on, and then I was able to apply what I learned to Sarah's Livecode example. So now the solution is all Livecode and HTML! Thanks again! Rick On Oct 23, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Jim Ault wrote: The upload script in this link refers to the Upload Picture sample on Sarah's very cool site. You can see a really good one at http://troz.net/onrev/samples/showscript.irev?showscript=upload.irev by Sarah Reichelt. Going to the corresponding sample page http://troz.net/onrev/samples/upload.irev and look at the bottom of the page, which has a link to the include tables.irev http://troz.net/onrev/samples/showscript.irev?showscript=includes/tables.irev All the other includes are the header, menu, and footer for her web site pages, which have nothing to do with file uploading. Hope this helps, Jim Ault ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
