Re: [ANN] F-ab 2.0 released and available for download
Can I communicate with you (on or off list) to discuss your technique for playing a Flash file in Rev. I am developing an app that needs to display Flash banners. Dave Jiro Harada wrote: Mark, On 2006/10/25, at 21:19, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi Jiro, Does it need QuickTime to display flash? Best, Mark No, my application does not need QuickTime to display flash. It uses a Netscape type plugin to display flash like Safari or FireFox. The plugin is located in the Lib folder. The file name is "Flash Player.plugin" in Mac OS or "NPSWF32.dll" in Windows. These plugins have been licensed from Adobe Inc. Jiro Harada ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Dave LeYanna Director IS Right to Life of Michigan www.rtl.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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This is one of the BEST USE LISTS that I have ever read. I'm sure that it is because of the incredible passion of the professional developers AND the "BEST LIST MOM IN THE WORLD" Thanks Heather! -- Dave LeYanna Director IS Right to Life of Michigan www.rtl.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Galaxy/Constellation
What is the relationship between these two products. I don't see anything on Daniels & Maras site about Constellation. Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Re: A supplement suite of office programs?
Jonathan; This sounds like a great idea. Dan's idea of SourceForge and a roadmap along with some skinable ui guidelines and the common librarys sound like a must. Let me know if there is anything I can help with. I will dl the stack(s) and give you some feedback. Dave Lynch, Jonathan wrote: I have an idea on how we can promote RunRev, and bring clients to ourselves. It seems to me that there are a number of possible programs that could be considered supplemental office-ware. That is, not the standard word processor/spreadsheet/etc... suite of programs - but instead, a suite of programs that covers less obvious needs. My idea is to call this suite "Work Mage" and all the programs within the suite would also end in the word "Mage" - Currently, the only program that I have for Work Mage is a task-oriented to-do list program I call "Task Mage". I have a few other ideas for the suite, but I am sure the possibilities are endless. I would love it if the members of the RunRev community would check out my program (www.workmage.com) and let me know if you think there is a possibility for a collaborative group project here. My thought is to create a freeware suite that we promote heavily. This would draw in potential RunRev users, and also draw in freelance work, customization work, etc... Sarah has been kind enough to investigate converting the program for use on Macs (I only know PC). I am sure we could find someone to do the same for Linux as well. Y'alls thoughts? Take Care, Jonathan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Dave LeYanna Director IS Right to Life of Michigan www.rtl.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: List Splitting - Idea
I like this idea. runrevforums.com is available. Forum software is easy to setup. I can get the name and host it (with Runtime Revolution's blessing that is.) No need to moderate (much.) If one wants it all pushed to them via email, that's easy to do. I must admit that I like getting the email though. It typically gets faster response for those in need. Brackets in the [Subject] line are not to hard to do. The big thing for me is not to "split" the traffic into other lists. I find it to much work to check so many locations all the time. WAIT A SECOND! How about RSS? Half-hour digests of the list via RSS? dave Bill Marriott wrote: Gordon Webster wrote, "I for one would hate to see this list stripped of its "Revolutionary" appeal by limiting it only to discussions of rev users' technical problems. While such technical problems may be the primary concern of this list, do they really have to be it's only concern?" Excellent point, Gordon. I really don't agree with "segmenting" the list, because now we're supposed to go to location A for "graphics," location B for "business," and pretty soon it will be location C for buttons, location D for this, location E for that... The problem is that each of these unofficial offshoots have a fraction of the participation that this official list does. Inevitably, we'll see useful discussions quashed with the line, "take this to such-and-such" a venue. To me it seems like "vigilante moderation." As much as I really enjoy gmane as an NNTP interface to the list -- it's made things MUCH easier to follow -- these "problems" segmenting is supposed to solve would ALL be obviated if Rev put up a simple phpBB-based board with common-sense categories. It is not difficult or expensive to do this. [And yes, phpBB can be configured to send email to members, for those who prefer the "push" style.] Then we would all have one place to go and people could skip the categories they are not interested in. [Sorry, I don't plan to join/participate in those offshoot forums.] Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Dave LeYanna Director IS Right to Life of Michigan www.rtl.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
List Splitting - Idea
We have seen a debate here about splitting the list various ways and there are pros and cons for most everything. One many lists there are conventions that posters follow that include placing small "category keywords" in brackets before the subject line. This can get out of control if everyone makes up keywords but what if we use a ready made set? How about the second level menu keywords in the "Objects" section of the documentation? [Player]How do I or [Button]Border color isn't working right. or a generic [How] as in [How]do I make sprites? If we just let people know where to look for their [Keyword] (ie; in the documentation under the "Objects" button, then they might even find the answer in the docs! In any case it could make it easier to search in the archives, sort in our email clients, provide some structure for post processing for a wiki and many other benefits. It's not hard to do and it may provide just enough structure to help us all. BTW; how many lists do we have now and where are they? dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: MVC (was Text database using custom properties)
Thanks Mark, I'll take a look. I want to put the business rules in the model as well. In fact I want to put as much as I can in the model because one of the problems we have had over the years is having different programmers implementing almost the same business logic in different programs and the logic changes but not all the programs do... It would require a strange MVC setup to place that in the model. Dave Mark Wieder wrote: Dave- Monday, December 12, 2005, 12:00:26 PM, you wrote: Right now we have created a database in PostgreSQL that maps the dBase files as close as we can and have written a "conversion" program to create an "import" file to update these PostgreSQL tables with. We also have a set of "normalized" tables in the same PostgreSQL database and we "massage" the data into them every night. We do the same thing the other way, back to some of the dBase tables. We are working with 2 systems at one time, chopping off some stuff from the old dBase system and writing models in the "new" PostgreSQL system. We want to use Rev for the end-users and are creating little pieces at a time but we don't want to get to far if we can work the MVC in... The hard part is getting from the old .prg files into a different paradigm. Dave Bovill and I have taken somewhat different approaches to a runrev implementation of an MVC architecture. I'm not sure if Dave's made his public yet, but you can see mine on revonline. You may not like it if you're used to a traditional MVC construct, as I've turned it some 90 degrees and put the burden on the model rather than the controller, but I think it fits with xtalk better that way. At any rate it may give you some ideas of how you want to implement things. -- Dave LeYanna Director IS Right to Life of Michigan www.rtl.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: MVC (was Text database using custom properties)
Right now we have created a database in PostgreSQL that maps the dBase files as close as we can and have written a "conversion" program to create an "import" file to update these PostgreSQL tables with. We also have a set of "normalized" tables in the same PostgreSQL database and we "massage" the data into them every night. We do the same thing the other way, back to some of the dBase tables. We are working with 2 systems at one time, chopping off some stuff from the old dBase system and writing models in the "new" PostgreSQL system. We want to use Rev for the end-users and are creating little pieces at a time but we don't want to get to far if we can work the MVC in... Dave Mark Wieder wrote: Dave- Monday, December 12, 2005, 7:47:09 AM, you wrote: I really would like to use MVC if I can because I am on the brink of a LARGE project that needs to last a long time and go through a lot of contortions by many different programmers over it's lifetime. We are a non-profit and I am "converting" an old FoxPro for DOS system that was started in the 80s (and still runs in a DOS window... on a 50 user network with some data access provided to 5 other offices across the state. Interesting project. I started on a dbf library a while back to do similar conversions. Luckily the syntax in the .prg files is fairly similar to xtalk (verb, object, parameters) and there are relatively straightforward mappings of functions. Plus the .dbf file format is well-documented. -- Dave LeYanna Director IS Right to Life of Michigan www.rtl.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: MVC (was Text database using custom properties)
David; I read a little about the benefits of using MVC but I had a little trouble mapping that paradigm to Rev. One of the major issues wasn't really Rev related but really needed to be thought through and I came up blank and confused. I want to store as much business logic as I could in the main storage platform which is PostgreSQL as stored procedures and triggers. I also want the flexibility to use SQLite on the desktop so I have to be able to have it in the controller How do I use Rev, local desktop SQLite and PostgreSQL and PostgreSQL stored procedures and triggers? I just thought that you may have worked this kind of thing out. I really would like to use MVC if I can because I am on the brink of a LARGE project that needs to last a long time and go through a lot of contortions by many different programmers over it's lifetime. We are a non-profit and I am "converting" an old FoxPro for DOS system that was started in the 80s (and still runs in a DOS window... on a 50 user network with some data access provided to 5 other offices across the state. Dave David Bovill wrote: I think it should work fine - have not stress tested the approach yet - but it is what I use (custom properties linking the index to the structured text files). I have just started using an MVC (model view controller) architecture for all my Rev apps - which has been a lot of work figuring out how best to do it. What this allows you to do is change the way you store your data very easily - so you can opt for using custom properties as your data model, text files, or a database. So far i am quite impressed how the MVC architecture helps structure your work - especially if you are looking at creating generic components. On 10 Dec 2005, at 01:13, Brian Alleyne wrote: Hi all I am building a note and outline manager in rev. I've worked out my user interface, but before going further I wanted to seek some advice on text handling before working on the data engine. I will store memo fields of various lengths, these would have styled text, and would be typed in or imported in html or rtf form from other applications. Some of these memo fields could run to 50 or 60 pages of text. I will need to quickly search for any word or string in these memo fields. I expect to store potentially thousands of these memo fields. I was thinking of creating a data stack and storing the memo fields as custom properties - in essence using rev as my database. I've read Dan Shafer and Richard Gaskin on this, and if I understand them, it seems as if this is a reasonable way to go. In sum, is rev good for a freetext database with thousands of memos or should I be looking at something like Valentina? I am worried about the performance hit on searching when my database grows to say, 1 memos. Any advice is welcome. best regards, Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Dave LeYanna Director IS Right to Life of Michigan www.rtl.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why is Konfabulator "Pretty?"
Just to let Rev. know... So do I, so will I dave Bill Marriott wrote: clip... I simply love xTalk, and Rev is keeping this great language very much alive. It really is an impressive tool overall; I'll be buying upgrades for as long as they are offered. Bill -- Dave LeYanna Director IS Right to Life of Michigan www.rtl.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution Encyclopedia
OK, bottom line... How do I get this encyclopedia? I still have older versions of Rev somewhere and I'm sure I can extract them... Dave Mathewson wrote: I will keep my port of the R Enc. to myself in the light of Chipp's and Eric's messages. BUT . . . This set of messages and many others seem to have a common, underlying theme . . . NOT that the RR documentation is bad - Its not! BUT that it is BADLY ORGANISED - or, at the very least, AWKWARD to find one's way around. Something is badly wrong when individuals stumble upon buried information which, had it been out in the open all the time would have: 1. Made life easier for a lot of people, 2. Stopped all those tedious messages about lack of documentation, and 3. Probably convinced more people that RR was worth investing in. sincerely, Richmond __ See Mathewson's software at: http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.html ___ --- The Think Different Store http://www.thinkdifferentstore.com/ For All Your Mac Gear --- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Dave LeYanna Director IS Right to Life of Michigan www.rtl.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Documented Cursor Bug...Please try.
Got stuck as predicted. Windows XP Media Center Edition Version 2002 Service Pack 2 Intel Pentium M 1.8 GHz 512 MB Ram DAve Chipp Walters wrote: Hi all, Jerry Daniels and I spent about an hour today trying to create a very simple recipe to replicate the 'Cursor stuck on I-beam' phenomenon most of us see regularly. I've built cursor libraries in the past to fix this, but the latest Rev engine (Windows) goes bezerk with the hand cursor sometimes and ends up writing garbage all over the screen. So, I'm more determined to just get Rev to fix the engine. Here's the deal. I would very much appreciate it if many of you could test out this simple recipe stack: type into the msg box (or cut and paste): go URL "http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/cursorbug.rev"; The instructions are plain, and you can get back to me on this list whether or not your curson got 'stuck.' It's been tested on Windows XP but not much on other platforms. It would be great if MC users could test this too, so we can document it as an engine bug and not an IDE bug (I believe this in an engine bug). Thanks!!! -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Dave LeYanna Director IS Right to Life of Michigan www.rtl.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why I equate RR/MC with LEGO - FREE, 'FREE' and UNFREE
May there be some confusion here caused by equating "free software" with "open source software" that is under a license that requires a "source" to be distributed as well as the .exe? (And that there is some kind of a requirement that source to the "runtimes" be released as well or in some cases the "runtimes" are not free and so the "software cannot be "free") I must admit that I have not read the entire thread but I often see "free" and "open source" being equated. Dave Ken Ray wrote: This is getting a bit black-and-white again, and what is needed is a MIDDLE WAY - a licence (ideally authored under the supervision and approval of RR) that RR/MC authors can use when they chose to release their end products made with licenced versions of RR/MC into the FREE software arena. My understanding is that standalones you make with RR/MC are yours and you can do anything you want with them (give them away, sell them, rent them, etc.). The only thing you *can't* do is to create a standalone application that also creates applications that would compete with Revolution. So I'm not sure what this "middle way" is that you are looking for? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Dave LeYanna Director IS Right to Life of Michigan www.rtl.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: ArchiveSearch 1.71
Thanks mark! I noticed some other things you have made available to the community when I visited your site. Thank you very much. Dave Mark Wieder wrote: All- I took Xavier's suggestion seriously, and my Archive Search plugin now allows the stripping of the last signature if it's properly formed, that being "-- " (dash dash space) on a line by itself. In my RevOnline user space (mwieder) or at http://www.ahsoftware.net/ArchiveSearch.html -- Dave LeYanna Director IS Right to Life of Michigan www.rtl.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Sony music installs secret malware gateway
This EULA is not like most others. It does not say that it installs a rootkit. One can only assume that it is installing legal software to protect it's digital rights. This is semi-reasonable. One would NEVER expect that it would do what it is doing! There are laws against this kind of action! This is simply a trust issue. Not only am I going to avoid Sony in the future, but because of the complete disregard for privacy issues and inept programming and the lame excuse of "we didn't mean to do any harm" while installing a faulty rootkit, I will do my best to NEVER buy any kind of Sony product in the future. Trust?, it is completely destroyed! There is and never has been or every will be any reason for a corporation to install a rootkit. The US government is even having a hard time trying to make a case for one for it's own uses. Dave Peter T. Evensen wrote: I know it installs a RootKit, but you have to accept the EULA before it will.That is my understanding. In any case, I will be boycotting Sony in all forms in the future. At 04:29 PM 11/11/2005, you wrote: On Nov 11, 2005, at 8:22 PM, Peter T. Evensen wrote: Just a clarification: from everything I read, you have to accept the Sony EULA on Windows before it will install the rootkit, so it isn't automatic on Windows. The installer automatically runs, but nothing is automatically installed unless you click ok. So the problem isn't the autorun, per se. But the EULA doesn't disclose that modifications to your OS will be made... It installs a friggin RootKit on the system!! And thats not all, the RootKit makes all files prefixed with $sys$ invisible to the average user, and that is already being exploited by Virus writers on the wild Also sony has some CDs installing MACINTOSH DRM MODULES, yes, people don't know yet if it is a rootkit like above, but it installs two kernel extensions on OS X... Why the hell, CD-ROMs need to install Kernel level extensions... beware of sony. I'll neve accept a Sony EULA until further notice... andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 24-hour recorded info hotline: 1-800-624-7671 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Dave LeYanna Director IS Right to Life of Michigan www.rtl.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: QT anomaly
I don't want to ask a stupid question but, how do you know the QT file
on the client's system is a vaild format? Can they open it up outside of
the Rev. app?
Dave
Richard Gaskin wrote:
I have a customer for a new app who can't load a QuickTime file, yet I
can load the same file here without difficulty, and it works well on
my other Mac, and on our tester's Mac.
The error occurs when I set the filename of the player to the selected
file, the result returning "could not open movie file". Not very
descriptive, but that's all I have to go on.
I've tried the file both from my local volume and a second partition.
The customer and I have the same OS version (OS X 10.4.3) and QT version
(7.0.3), and of course the same version of the Rev-based app.
The file name is short (about 12 characters), so I can't see how it
could be related to the known issue with long file names.
To help diagnose this I made a very simple test app, with one button,
one field, and one player, with this script in the button:
-
on mouseUp
if the optionKey is "down" then
set the filename of player 1 to empty
put empty into fld 1
exit to top
end if
--
answer file "Select a file:"
if it is empty then exit to top
put it into tPath
set the filename of player 1 to tPath
put the result into tResult
--
put "system="& the systemVersion &cr& "QT="& qtVersion()&cr into tData
put "machine="&machine()&cr &"Processor="&processor()&cr after tData
put "Result="& tResult &cr&"sysError="&sysError() after tData
put cr & "File="& tPath after tData
put cr& "duration="& the duration of player 1 after tData
put tData into fld 1
--
put fld 1 into url
("file:"&specialFolderPath("Desktop")&"/HT-Test-log.txt")
end mouseUp
--
He reports the same error in this test app, with this log file:
system=10.4.3
QT=7.0.3
machine=unknown
Processor=Motorola PowerPC
Result=could not create movie reference
sysError=-5551
File=/Users/xxx/Desktop/audiofile.aif
duration=0
Any other clues as to how I might diagnose this?
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Re: previous card issue
From the transcript dictionary... Description Use the previous keyword to move backward in the stack or to reference the card before the current card. Description Use the back keyword to return to the most recently visited card, or to designate a backScript. Dave Brian K. Maher wrote: Hi Folks, I have a stack with several cards named Welcome, Connection and NotAuditEnabled. I start out at the Welcome card and the user clicks the Next button which does a go to card 'Connection'. On the Connection card I have a preOpenCard handler which does the following: if the short name of the previous card is "Welcome" then ... put empty into several fields ... end if When a certain condition happens on this card I do a go to card 'NotAuditEnabled'. This card explains some details about the error condition and allows the user to click a Previous button to go back to the Connection card and try again. The Previous button does a go to card 'Connection'. The problem is that the preOpenCard code shown above /always/ seems to believe that the previous card is 'Welcome' and not the card that I just came from. Am I misunderstanding something here? Does 'previous' not mean the previously viewed card? I was able to get this to work the way I want by using push card & pop card. Thanks, Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The Disappearing Desktop - It's Real This Time
Ok, how's this... Get a good marketing department for Sun and resurrect the hardware based JVM. Use a thin client that communicated with "application" that communicated with the JVM any or all of which could be anywhere with a minimum of the thin client and personal data being on your "personal" device. Your "application" could be anywhere, including your personal device. You could even have the hardware JVM in your personal device or it could be located anywhere and you just plugged your personal device into it. Is there any reason that that wouldn't be the best of all worlds an a little less of a paradigm shift? Oh, another thing, require that all applications be "user" skinable so that at least the user would have some consistency. There, not the programmer has some consistency and the user has some consistency and the model leaves room for anyone to implement any business model. Remember, no proprietary data format and a lot of "public" librarys for code reuse. Dave Dan Shafer wrote: No, specialized ultra-thin custom browsers that RUN apps on the server. Thin clients, not thick. On Nov 10, 2005, at 10:03 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Specialized ultra-thin custom browsers that download apps from a server? -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- Dan Shafer Technology Visionary - Technology Assessment - Documentation "Looking at technology from every angle" http://www.eclecticity.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Synchronization puzzle.
Thanks Alex! Dave Alex Tweedly wrote: Dave LeYanna wrote: Alex; I was searching the archives looking for some information about a PIM lib or stack that may be available and noticed your post about syncronization issues you were looking at. Did you ever finish that addressbook app? would you be interested in sharing or selling it? No, I didn't "finish" it. But I (and the rest of my family) now use it as *our* shared addressbook. It's a long way from finished - somewhere I have a long list of things that need done before I can "release" it, but it already does enough to be more useful (in my unusual circumstances) than any other addressbook I've ever found, so I'm using it happily and the other improvements are low priority. The initial posting about it received only one (slightly discouraging) reply, so I never did get around to posting the stack anywhere. We need to develop a PIM and an address book is part of such an application. We probally will be using PostgreSQL on a server with SQLLite on the desktops that will need to sync once connected to the network or via the internet. The synchronization scheme I have may be overkill - multiple people independently and asynchronously (off-line) editing a fully shared addressbook or calendar, and may also be inadequate in other ways (it is a single shared addressbook/calendar, with no mechanism to have separate views or to sync or co-ordinate between such multiple data sets). So I'd recommend a careful look over the "synchronization spec" part of my earlier email to make sure it is suitable for you. I have currently only implemented the "shared file system" sync method - though I did use the basic technique in another app where I implemented the server/client method (not in Rev), so I feel comfortable that it works and saves bandwidth. It should extend easily to PostgreSQL - an initial query to retrieve the control fields for all records, with subsequent retrieves of the rest of the data only for the updated records. I'll clean it up, remove my own data :-) and put the stack up on revonline tonight. The stack carries many footprints of the fact that I initially intended to make it a single "PIM" - and later changed my mind and did separate addressbook and calendar apps. For instance, right now there is a "tabbed notebook" with only the single tab for addressbook. btw - I'm not interested in selling it, but if you find it useful and use any (enough) ideas from it (esp the sync scheme which afaik is novel), I'd appreciate a mention in the credits/footnotes. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Synchronization puzzle.
My bad, should have been a personal email... However, if anyone knows of some tools or stacks that I can use/buy to implement a PIM please let me know... Dave Dave LeYanna wrote: Alex; I was searching the archives looking for some information about a PIM lib or stack that may be available and noticed your post about syncronization issues you were looking at. Did you ever finish that addressbook app? would you be interested in sharing or selling it? We need to develop a PIM and an address book is part of such an application. We probally will be using PostgreSQL on a server with SQLLite on the desktops that will need to sync once connected to the network or via the internet. Thanks in advance Dave LeYanna ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Synchronization puzzle.
Alex; I was searching the archives looking for some information about a PIM lib or stack that may be available and noticed your post about syncronization issues you were looking at. Did you ever finish that addressbook app? would you be interested in sharing or selling it? We need to develop a PIM and an address book is part of such an application. We probally will be using PostgreSQL on a server with SQLLite on the desktops that will need to sync once connected to the network or via the internet. Thanks in advance Dave LeYanna ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Is there a userlist or a forum for Constellation?
I was thinking about the smaller "utility" kind of things. Most of the publications the company I refered to would "retail" for $30 or so Dave Jerry Daniels wrote: Dave, Interesting idea. And as the market grows this might work pretty well. But as it stands today, if I waited to cover my expenses with pricing, I'd never release a product! -JD On Oct 27, 2005, at 6:39 AM, Dave LeYanna wrote: This sounds like a great Gadget! I think you might be interested in an idea that a company I buy from uses to get support for product development. The company produces titles for the "Libronix" ebook system. They employ a "community pricing" scheme to get support for production costs when adding a new title. Basically people tell them that they would be willing to pay for the product and when they have enough support to cover the costs they go into development and at the end of production those that had placed their bid get it "at cost" while anyone else will need to pay "retail" and the company just keeps building their catalog without having to risk direct investment. I could see this working very nicely. For complete details on how they do this go here... http:// www.logos.com/communitypricing/about Dave Jerry Daniels wrote: If you guys would like one, I could look into getting a listServ or something going. The services like that are not inexpensive, so I'd have to look at either doing my own majorDomo or writing a Gadget (Gadget Talk!). I'm open to ideas. Best, Jerry http://www.daniels-mara.com/products/constellation.htm Scripts and properties in a tabbed editor! On Oct 26, 2005, at 5:02 PM, Ton Kuypers wrote: I really like this one, but is it fair to use this list for questions and remarks on Constellation? Of course I could use [EMAIL PROTECTED] as stated on http:// www.daniels-mara.com, but then the suggestions or remars aren't visible to all other users... Any suggestions are welcome Ton Kuypers ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Is there a userlist or a forum for Constellation?
This sounds like a great Gadget! I think you might be interested in an idea that a company I buy from uses to get support for product development. The company produces titles for the "Libronix" ebook system. They employ a "community pricing" scheme to get support for production costs when adding a new title. Basically people tell them that they would be willing to pay for the product and when they have enough support to cover the costs they go into development and at the end of production those that had placed their bid get it "at cost" while anyone else will need to pay "retail" and the company just keeps building their catalog without having to risk direct investment. I could see this working very nicely. For complete details on how they do this go here... http://www.logos.com/communitypricing/about Dave Jerry Daniels wrote: If you guys would like one, I could look into getting a listServ or something going. The services like that are not inexpensive, so I'd have to look at either doing my own majorDomo or writing a Gadget (Gadget Talk!). I'm open to ideas. Best, Jerry http://www.daniels-mara.com/products/constellation.htm Scripts and properties in a tabbed editor! On Oct 26, 2005, at 5:02 PM, Ton Kuypers wrote: I really like this one, but is it fair to use this list for questions and remarks on Constellation? Of course I could use [EMAIL PROTECTED] as stated on http:// www.daniels-mara.com, but then the suggestions or remars aren't visible to all other users... Any suggestions are welcome Ton Kuypers ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: docWikis
As a new Rev. user, I get a LOT from reading this list! But you know what, I'm not sure that it's worth my time, at least the way that I am doing it now. I need to find a more efficient way to manage this list. Transforming this list into a docwiki seems like it has merit. I ambiguous about the friendly bantering that goes on between members... It is very useful in that you can "feel" the personalities coming out to play. On the other hand when I'm trying to follow an issue that I'm having a problem with at the moment, it gets in the way. How can I have it both ways? I want it both ways! Sometimes, I know I've read the answer to my problem before (in this list) but I can't seem to find it. And then sometimes an answer never really comes... (Do all Windows users have a CR/LF problem when printing scripts or am I alone in this issue?) Long live the list (until something better comes along.) Dave Marielle Lange wrote: In our little corner of the programming universe, I think that most anyone only has time to skim, collect some valuable tidbits, contribute answers as time and mood permit, then go on with our lives. If I decided to follow this path and contribute, my wife would kill me. That's a very important point. I tried with similar projects in education. Everybody is interested in having things made available for free. Nobody is much interested (1) in taking *responsibilities*... that is you are the one eventually working all night to put everything back together in case a hacker decided to put your site to the test and (2) in helping to fund the development of "open" content or "open" source that would *immensely* benefit the community in the longer term. So at the end, if you have been crazy enough to start doing it, you end up being the one doing 90% of the job that needs to be done, and on your hobby time. Materials is easy to contribute. A clever and reliable infrastructure, responsibly managed and maintainted, to host that material often comes with a price tag (at least months full time). For instance, I can afford to have my websites because maintenance is made easy... thanks to the web hosting service I *pay* for (http:// www.ukhost4u.com/). Not much, I pay less than £5 a month, the price of a computer magazine and I have a lot more fun playing with my websites, I learn a lot more by getting in contact with interesting persons via my websites. But what I pay for the web hosting gives an idea of what would be required for a good infrastructure and a quality service. Given the actual size of the revolution market, assuming that a maximum of 200 persons are ready to pay for the service (and this is overoptimistic, closer to reality would be 50), about $5 a month per user should be collected for it to be viable (worth the amount of time spent on this). Who on this list would be ready to pay $5 a month... for an infrastructure that largely exploits the material that comes out on the mailing list anyway? Would you prefer to pay less but have the website filled with ads? Marielle Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Alternative emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/ Lexicall: http://lexicall.org Revolution-education: http://revolution.lexicall.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: docWikis
Marielle Lange wrote: clip Exactly! ... but you also have to take into account economical factors. For us, users, what counts is free access to quality information, frequently updated. But the ones who are likely to make a quality contribution to this documentation are experts (see this mailing list, for instance). Experts are happy to do that in a context where they get something back (meaningful life, giving back... but also securing a regular income). It's not just about standards, it's about finding a way for persons to work collaboratively, but still have a way for the experts to have their contribution and level of expertise recognized. A mailing list is most suitable for experts because each email posted by an expert is a small add for his company. How about a small "Google text Ad" kinda thing that would hold the equilivant of a sigiture next to the wiki contribution? Dave Marielle Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Alternative emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/ Lexicall: http://lexicall.org Revolution-education: http://revolution.lexicall.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: New Website for TAOO
Maybe he should have said "Add what you need", not "change what you need" whis is what overloading is (I think...) Dave Mark Wieder wrote: xavier- Monday, October 17, 2005, 12:09:02 AM, you wrote: Subclassing is a bit different: You have a mehod called CreateClient that creates clients. If you wanted to use that to createClient objects or Companies, you copy the method, rename it and change what you need. I don't see how this is subclassing... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
