Re: [OT] PING
Thanks very much, Chipp. Greatly appreciated. Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] PING
On 6 Sep 2010, at 04:04, Chipp Walters wrote: Any early thoughts on Apple's new social network? It seems to be getting some concerned reviews. http://bit.ly/dn5AON Is this a trick question, Chipp? Anyway, I agree with whatever your thoughts are, unless they're wrong. :-) Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] PING
On 09/06/2010 01:18 PM, Dave Cragg wrote: On 6 Sep 2010, at 04:04, Chipp Walters wrote: Any early thoughts on Apple's new social network? It seems to be getting some concerned reviews. http://bit.ly/dn5AON Is this a trick question, Chipp? Anyway, I agree with whatever your thoughts are, unless they're wrong. :-) Dave ___ All social networks raise concerns; of course they do; normally those concerns are raised by liberal types who, oddly enough considering they consider themselves 'liberal', are worried about how these social networks might be used to pollute the minds of the tinies; and the tinies and other tiny-minded types might get up to 'naughty things'. And, as 'liberals' they are busy thinking up ways to restrict access to social networks, forgetting that most people who really want to do naughty things will do them, regardless. Well; these things could happen. However; we should all be the keepers of our own consciences, and not air our dirty linen in places where it can be spread around the world lickety-split (i.e. on the internet). Water does find its own level; some is pretty murky, and best avoided - but as God gave us brains it is up to us to use them. Some of the things silly people put of FaceBook are incredible . . . Mind you, some other people, who have developed mental filters, use these social networks for nice things. Well; there's a fairly right-wing opinion for you. Come on, let's hear a well thought-out socialist opinion to even things up . . . :) sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] PING
Chipp- Sunday, September 5, 2010, 8:04:56 PM, you wrote: Any early thoughts on Apple's new social network? It seems to be getting some concerned reviews. http://bit.ly/dn5AON Hadn't heard about Ping until your note, but I like Eric Schwarz's comment (pasted here because I can't figure out how to set a link to it): There is a fundamental openness and chaos in a community, they feel they must suppress that lack of control. They don't like chaos. A community is created by its audience. Apple wants to control ALL aspects of their products. When your product is a community that won't work. When your product is a community your product is mostly created by its users. ...maybe it's because I've just spent a virtual weekend deeply immersed in Burning Man, but the idea of creating a social network from the top down is just weird. Schwarz's quote sounds to me very much like a description of the community of this list. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] PING
On 09/06/2010 06:19 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Chipp- Sunday, September 5, 2010, 8:04:56 PM, you wrote: Any early thoughts on Apple's new social network? It seems to be getting some concerned reviews. http://bit.ly/dn5AON Hadn't heard about Ping until your note, but I like Eric Schwarz's comment (pasted here because I can't figure out how to set a link to it): There is a fundamental openness and chaos in a community, they feel they must suppress that lack of control. They don't like chaos. A community is created by its audience. Apple wants to control ALL aspects of their products. When your product is a community that won't work. When your product is a community your product is mostly created by its users. Arr, arr, arr tis the RunRev Use-List. ...maybe it's because I've just spent a virtual weekend deeply immersed in Burning Man, but the idea of creating a social network from the top down is just weird. Schwarz's quote sounds to me very much like a description of the community of this list. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] PING
How would the Social Networks supposed notion really make sense when we are daily bused by (and about) Ethological Networks businesses only. Are FaceBook and Twitter in social tasks involved in any way ? iTunes Ping ? Pathetic ... Le 6 sept. 2010 à 05:04, Chipp Walters a écrit : Any early thoughts on Apple's new social network? It seems to be getting some concerned reviews. http://bit.ly/dn5AON Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] PING
You're a funny guy, Dave! No trick question, just wondering how much effect PING will have. There's one theory which says this is just the beginning of social networking built around a single venue, others see it doomed to failure because it's too commercialized. Our company does a lot of work in the Online Digital Marketing space. This stuff is interesting. There are no right and wrong answers. More at http://dlvr.it/4gnsY Interesting how easy it is for kids to join PING, and let anyone follow them. Not sure Steve's thought this out too well... Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On Sep 6, 2010, at 3:18 AM, Dave Cragg dave.cr...@lacscentre.co.uk wrote: Is this a trick question, Chipp? Anyway, I agree with whatever your thoughts are, unless they're wrong. :-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] PING
Chipp- Monday, September 6, 2010, 1:04:50 PM, you wrote: Our company does a lot of work in the Online Digital Marketing space. This stuff is interesting. There are no right and wrong answers. ...there may be a lot of wrong ones floating around out there... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] PING
On 6 Sep 2010, at 21:04, Chipp Walters wrote: More at http://dlvr.it/4gnsY I confess I'm totally ignorant of the social networking thing. I read the links you posted, but not knowing much about the networks they were comparing with, I didn't really follow. I was hoping you might have summarised the issues for people like me. :-) But if it's going to be as unpopular as some people say, this may be the network for me. Cheers Dave___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] PING
Google pay per click advertisement is getting so very expensive-- esp for our client in the auto insurance business where a single ad click can go as high as $130! Yes, Geico or Progressive or other pay up to that amount just to have you click on their Google Ad when searching for auto insurance. So, there are other ways of finding customers on the net, other than through Google. While Facebook ads can be expensive (not $130/click expensive), they are extremely well targeted. For instance, when I log on to Facebook, I see ads for life insurance for people over 50 (I am), and ads for iPad stuff (I have one). So, while ads may be expensive, they are surely getting to the correct audience. Another way to take advantage of Facebook is by building an online community around a subject which interests folks, and later soft peddle your wares. Just putting up a Facebook page for your company really doesn't do much. But providing information and value additions to your page will help keep people coming back. The whole idea is to start and engage in conversation with your existing and potential customers. Twitter is a bit different. Some companies are using Twitter as a tech-support option. Others as a direct conduit to their CEO/President (like 37 signals). Celebs are using it to better control their message, bypassing an increasingly meaningless old and convential media. See what Kanye West has been up to lately! http://techcrunch.com/2010/09/04/kanye-west-twitter-2/ LinkedIn is a business networking community, mostly seems to be targeted at helping folks find jobs, but it also has the ability to highly target ads directly to customer bases. All three of these social networking communities have grown in an ad hoc fashion. Changing quickly to take advantage of the trends. MySpace is an example of one who didn't change fast enough, and now is left behind. Now Apple has PING. My partner, Dan Shafer, believes PING is not as much about being a fan of music, but rather about being a customer-- and that's not good. And is it really surprising Apple is considered controlling by PING critics? It will be very interesting to see if Apple can pull this off. One of the problems companies are having with regard to their social network strategies, is that these things take time. Traditional marketing is used to being able to create an ad campaign in weeks and deploy over the next month(s) or so. But, building a successful social network strategy involves a clear picture strategy deployed over a longer period of time. And, basically you get one shot at it. Dan is fond of pointing out the problem with traditional Silicon Valley marketing of social media and networks, is they start a seedling of a project, then after a couple months, pull it out of the ground to look at the roots to see why it's not growing. These things take time. On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Dave Cragg dave.cr...@lacscentre.co.ukwrote: I was hoping you might have summarised the issues for people like me. :-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] PING
Chipp- Monday, September 6, 2010, 5:36:38 PM, you wrote: All three of these social networking communities have grown in an ad hoc fashion. Changing quickly to take advantage of the trends. MySpace is an example of one who didn't change fast enough, and now is left behind. Or one might say that MySpace changed too much: the Google tie-in really killed things for them by interfering with the user experience. There's a good writeup on this somewhere - I'll see if I can dig it up. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] PING
That was fast... dug up: http://www.wesleyverhoeve.com/why-myspace-failed-or-when-you-kill-the-user-experience-you-kill-yourself -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] PING
Any early thoughts on Apple's new social network? It seems to be getting some concerned reviews. http://bit.ly/dn5AON Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT: Ping timeout much longer with 10.3.7
Our testers have discovered that when Revolution does a shell(ping) to a server that isn't responding, that the timeouts are much different, depending on which version of Mac OS X one is on. In Mac OS 10.3.2, we get feedback in a matter of seconds. In Mac OS 10.3.7, it takes over 2 minutes to get feedback. This happens in the terminal window too, so it's not a Rev issue. I'm not into unix enough to know what to look for on Apple's site for a technote on this. ping latency? What's interesting is that the same problem exists for traceroute, even though the docs say that traceroute's wait-period is to default to 3 seconds. Any thoughts? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Ping timeout much longer with 10.3.7
On Feb 10, 2005, at 9:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our testers have discovered that when Revolution does a shell(ping) to a server that isn't responding, that the timeouts are much different, depending on which version of Mac OS X one is on. In Mac OS 10.3.2, we get feedback in a matter of seconds. In Mac OS 10.3.7, it takes over 2 minutes to get feedback. Somebody on this list mentioned a 10.3.7 bug involving network delays. Do you have the same results with ip address only? That is, without DNS lookup? Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming Services and Software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Ping timeout much longer with 10.3.7
The Apple Software Update for MacOSX 10.3.8 is now available. Update with caution as always. -James Dar Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/10/05 01:45 PM Please respond to How to use Revolution To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com cc: Subject:Re: OT: Ping timeout much longer with 10.3.7 On Feb 10, 2005, at 9:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our testers have discovered that when Revolution does a shell(ping) to a server that isn't responding, that the timeouts are much different, depending on which version of Mac OS X one is on. In Mac OS 10.3.2, we get feedback in a matter of seconds. In Mac OS 10.3.7, it takes over 2 minutes to get feedback. Somebody on this list mentioned a 10.3.7 bug involving network delays. Do you have the same results with ip address only? That is, without DNS lookup? Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming Services and Software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Ping timeout much longer with 10.3.7
Dar Scott wrote: On Feb 10, 2005, at 9:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our testers have discovered that when Revolution does a shell(ping) to a server that isn't responding, that the timeouts are much different, depending on which version of Mac OS X one is on. In Mac OS 10.3.2, we get feedback in a matter of seconds. In Mac OS 10.3.7, it takes over 2 minutes to get feedback. Somebody on this list mentioned a 10.3.7 bug involving network delays. Do you have the same results with ip address only? That is, without DNS lookup? and remember if testing with traceroute, it's not enough to use numeric IP address in the command line, as in traceroute 216.109.118.73 you also need to use the -d option to prevent DNS lookups to convert the ip addresses to names. -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 07/02/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
