Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
On Aug 19, 2005, at 10:42 AM, Dennis Brown wrote: The way I want to search for information when I don't know what something is called or even if it exists, is narrowing by categories. I would want a list of 10-20 broad categories. And for each broad category, a new list of categories would pop up, etc... Then you want to click on Topics in the button row at the top, and then on Scripts and their structure in the list on the left. It doesn't actually contain anything on the \ character :-( , but that's where it should be I would think. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Geoff, The problem with Topics is that it is just a table of contents with chapter and topic listings. It only has one general category and then the specific topic. This is not what I was talking about. It is neither general enough nor specific enough. It is also very slow! I would envision a lot more levels of concept index like entries before you get to very specific information. So scripts and their structure would be a good top level entry, I would expect another level or two of narrowing the scope to get to a list that had continuing a single script command on the next line or breaking a single script command into multiple lines Dennis On Aug 20, 2005, at 11:01 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: On Aug 19, 2005, at 10:42 AM, Dennis Brown wrote: The way I want to search for information when I don't know what something is called or even if it exists, is narrowing by categories. I would want a list of 10-20 broad categories. And for each broad category, a new list of categories would pop up, etc... Then you want to click on Topics in the button row at the top, and then on Scripts and their structure in the list on the left. It doesn't actually contain anything on the \ character :-( , but that's where it should be I would think. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
At 3:20 PM -0400 8/18/2005, Jon wrote: I'm sure the answer to this question (how do you continue a line in Rev) is simple. Where could I have found the answer to this simple question in the documentation? I looked for continue: no joy. line: no joy. I looked at the Scripting discussion, and I know know all about comments, but nothing about continuing lines onto the next line. How to break a line in a script: If a line of code is too long to be easily displayed in the script editor, it is convenient to break it into more than one line for display, while still having Transcript treat it as a single line. You use the \ character to break a script line for display, as in the following example: set the thumbSize of scrollbar 1 to \ (the height of group 1/the formattedHeight of group 1) When the above split line is executed, it's treated as a single line of code. The entry for \ is also the first item returned when you search the dictionary for continue. Writing documentation starts to seem kind of pointless when a large part of its target audience presents convincing proof, often, that much of that audience doesn't bother to read it. (Admittedly, this is one of the places where an index would be really useful, since you can set up an index to catch synonyms. On the other hand, a search would have succeeded here. Will someone who won't search use an index? Maybe, maybe not.) -- jeanne a. e. devoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jaedworks.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
At 4:16 PM -0700 8/18/2005, Richard Gaskin wrote: As I noted in my previous post, I fully agree with Jon that it would be great for Rev to include an entry for the backslash token in the docs. If someone will kindly drop this into the BZ queue we can expect that to happen, then we'd never need to think about it again and Rev would have one up on Microsoft. ...and whoever validated the bug would mark it not a bug, since the dictionary does in fact have an entry for \. (You didn't look first, did you? ;-) -- jeanne a. e. devoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jaedworks.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote: At 4:16 PM -0700 8/18/2005, Richard Gaskin wrote: As I noted in my previous post, I fully agree with Jon that it would be great for Rev to include an entry for the backslash token in the docs. If someone will kindly drop this into the BZ queue we can expect that to happen, then we'd never need to think about it again and Rev would have one up on Microsoft. ...and whoever validated the bug would mark it not a bug, since the dictionary does in fact have an entry for \. (You didn't look first, did you? ;-) No, I took all the ruckus here at face value. ;) So you single-handedly outdid the mighty Microsoft? Cool. It seems the problem then is not with your content, but with the current Help shell's inability to locate the content: Of course a user looking for the line continuation character won't know to look for the \ token, so instead I searched for line (too many results; none clearly relevant) and continuation (zero results). In your other post you quoted a block of text about line continuation -- where is that from? Your quoted portion contains the string break a line, but when I search for that string in Help it turns up zero results. Oddly enough, when I search my own Help shell containing the same content (imported from the thousands of tiny XML files used in Rev so I get all the many advantages of using native objects), searching for break a line or continuation takes me immediately to the \ token. Hmmm On further investigation I was finally able to get Rev's Help to find those as well. It seems that somewhere along the way in just those few minutes I was able to accidentally get it into a state in which it was returning false negatives. It's awfully complex, and works much harder than it needs to. This mystery state may help explain why so many others here had the same bad results I did at first. Moral for people making IDE parts: Know the engine, trust the engine, let the engine do as much of the work as it can. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Jeanne- Friday, August 19, 2005, 12:00:05 AM, you wrote: The entry for \ is also the first item returned when you search the dictionary for continue. OTOH, filtering on continu shows absolutely nothing. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Hi Jon, Klaus: I thought that all of you who paid the big bucks for the Enterprise version got a pill with RNA in it, and that you learned it all over night! :) we wished, Jon, we really wished... ;-) Jon Klaus Major wrote: Hi Jon, Jon wrote: ... I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. Well, actually we did not wake up one morning and suddenly knew how to do everything right, believe it or not... ;-) Best Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
On 8/19/05 3:10 AM, Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeanne- Friday, August 19, 2005, 12:00:05 AM, you wrote: The entry for \ is also the first item returned when you search the dictionary for continue. OTOH, filtering on continu shows absolutely nothing. Of course, because there aren't any keywords that contain that string. But perhaps that's another issue for newbies - understanding the difference between filter and search... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
On 19 Aug 2005, at 09:10, Mark Wieder wrote: Jeanne- Friday, August 19, 2005, 12:00:05 AM, you wrote: The entry for \ is also the first item returned when you search the dictionary for continue. OTOH, filtering on continu shows absolutely nothing. But searching (not filtering) for continu gives /. I can hear Jeanne screaming at you now. Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
As I noted in my previous post, I fully agree with Jon that it would be great for Rev to include an entry for the backslash token in the docs. FWIW, in the docs here, using 'Search For' on continue or continu lists the backslash character in the 1st found result. Using 'Search For' on break lists the backslash character in the 3rd result. Using 'Search For' on line lists the backslash character in the 8th result. BUT line break returns 5 unrelated results while break line returns no results, as does break a line. I believe others have posted comments on the search *mechanism* itself being a problem (not finding strings of words) and Richard is absolutely right here: there's no reason searching should miss break a line when this string explicitly appears in the help text. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Great. You figured out how to make the Help system work successfully. Try Filtering the Dictionary and the Topics withcontinue. I get NOTHING here. Working with Rev should not be a game: it should be easy to locate this information. I'm happy that you were able to find the information. I still feel that the fact that I was unable to find it is NOT because I was lazy, but because the IDE continues to be half-baked. Jon Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote: At 3:20 PM -0400 8/18/2005, Jon wrote: I'm sure the answer to this question (how do you continue a line in Rev) is simple. Where could I have found the answer to this simple question in the documentation? I looked for continue: no joy. line: no joy. I looked at the Scripting discussion, and I know know all about comments, but nothing about continuing lines onto the next line. How to break a line in a script: If a line of code is too long to be easily displayed in the script editor, it is convenient to break it into more than one line for display, while still having Transcript treat it as a single line. You use the \ character to break a script line for display, as in the following example: set the thumbSize of scrollbar 1 to \ (the height of group 1/the formattedHeight of group 1) When the above split line is executed, it's treated as a single line of code. The entry for \ is also the first item returned when you search the dictionary for continue. Writing documentation starts to seem kind of pointless when a large part of its target audience presents convincing proof, often, that much of that audience doesn't bother to read it. (Admittedly, this is one of the places where an index would be really useful, since you can set up an index to catch synonyms. On the other hand, a search would have succeeded here. Will someone who won't search use an index? Maybe, maybe not.) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Ken: Of course, because there aren't any keywords that contain that string. But perhaps that's another issue for newbies - understanding the difference between filter and search... Not really. Since Filter is visible, and search is not, Filter is the ONLY facility that anyone would think to use. There really is a Search?!? *(([EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Rev IDE... :( Jon Ken Ray wrote: On 8/19/05 3:10 AM, Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeanne- Friday, August 19, 2005, 12:00:05 AM, you wrote: The entry for \ is also the first item returned when you search the dictionary for continue. OTOH, filtering on continu shows absolutely nothing. Of course, because there aren't any keywords that contain that string. But perhaps that's another issue for newbies - understanding the difference between filter and search... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
I think the lesson here is that filtering is only a way of narrowing down the actual keywords and function names in the dictionary, or the topic titles in the topics section. If you don't know and can't guess the keyword or whatever, it's necessary to search, instead. Cheers, Mark On 19 Aug 2005, at 13:09, Jon wrote: Great. You figured out how to make the Help system work successfully. Try Filtering the Dictionary and the Topics withcontinue. I get NOTHING here. Working with Rev should not be a game: it should be easy to locate this information. I'm happy that you were able to find the information. I still feel that the fact that I was unable to find it is NOT because I was lazy, but because the IDE continues to be half-baked. Jon Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote: At 3:20 PM -0400 8/18/2005, Jon wrote: I'm sure the answer to this question (how do you continue a line in Rev) is simple. Where could I have found the answer to this simple question in the documentation? I looked for continue: no joy. line: no joy. I looked at the Scripting discussion, and I know know all about comments, but nothing about continuing lines onto the next line. How to break a line in a script: If a line of code is too long to be easily displayed in the script editor, it is convenient to break it into more than one line for display, while still having Transcript treat it as a single line. You use the \ character to break a script line for display, as in the following example: set the thumbSize of scrollbar 1 to \ (the height of group 1/the formattedHeight of group 1) When the above split line is executed, it's treated as a single line of code. The entry for \ is also the first item returned when you search the dictionary for continue. Writing documentation starts to seem kind of pointless when a large part of its target audience presents convincing proof, often, that much of that audience doesn't bother to read it. (Admittedly, this is one of the places where an index would be really useful, since you can set up an index to catch synonyms. On the other hand, a search would have succeeded here. Will someone who won't search use an index? Maybe, maybe not.) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Revers, Sorry to be so late on this topic. I'm retired. :-)) If you haven't already, get Wilhelm Sanke's excellent Search Docs plugin. Put it in your plugins folder for easy access in Rev. I typed Jon's first search into it (continue) and break \ came up as the first in the list. Get the one that's appropriate for you at this web page: http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia/index.html Or on RevOnline under user sanke. Happy reving, Glenn -- Glenn E. Fisher University of Houston - Retired 22402 Diane Dr. Spring, Tx 77373 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uh.edu/~fisher http://home.houston.rr.com/thegefishers/ http://homepage.mac.com/gefisher ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
On 8/19/05 7:14 AM, Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, because there aren't any keywords that contain that string. But perhaps that's another issue for newbies - understanding the difference between filter and search... Not really. Since Filter is visible, and search is not, Filter is the ONLY facility that anyone would think to use. There really is a Search?!? Yes - if you look closely, you'll see that the button that says Filter with: is an option menu button. You can select Search for: as another option in that menu. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Hi Jon, On 8/19/05 7:14 AM, Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, because there aren't any keywords that contain that string. But perhaps that's another issue for newbies - understanding the difference between filter and search... Not really. Since Filter is visible, and search is not, Filter is the ONLY facility that anyone would think to use. There really is a Search?!? Yes - if you look closely, you'll see that the button that says Filter with: is an option menu button. You can select Search for: as another option in that menu. Exactly! And I think even a newbie COULD (if not should) know that an option menu might have more than 1 ehm... option :-) I know, the mean, mean IDE... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Klaus: And I think even a newbie COULD (if not should) know that an option menu might have more than 1 ehm... option :-) Good point. I'll have to inspect the UI much more carefully in the future for hints about other features! Maybe we can have a contest for people who can find some other useful features that are hidden in there somewhere! :) Klaus Major wrote: Hi Jon, On 8/19/05 7:14 AM, Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, because there aren't any keywords that contain that string. But perhaps that's another issue for newbies - understanding the difference between filter and search... Not really. Since Filter is visible, and search is not, Filter is the ONLY facility that anyone would think to use. There really is a Search?!? Yes - if you look closely, you'll see that the button that says Filter with: is an option menu button. You can select Search for: as another option in that menu. Exactly! And I think even a newbie COULD (if not should) know that an option menu might have more than 1 ehm... option :-) I know, the mean, mean IDE... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
How is this different from the existing search option? At 08:36 AM 8/19/2005, you wrote: Revers, Sorry to be so late on this topic. I'm retired. :-)) If you haven't already, get Wilhelm Sanke's excellent Search Docs plugin. Put it in your plugins folder for easy access in Rev. I typed Jon's first search into it (continue) and break \ came up as the first in the list. Get the one that's appropriate for you at this web page: http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia/index.html Or on RevOnline under user sanke. Happy reving, Glenn -- Glenn E. Fisher University of Houston - Retired 22402 Diane Dr. Spring, Tx 77373 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uh.edu/~fisher http://home.houston.rr.com/thegefishers/ http://homepage.mac.com/gefisher ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 24-hour recorded info hotline: 1-800-624-7671 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
If I might just interject a thought about indexes. The way I want to search for information when I don't know what something is called or even if it exists, is narrowing by categories. I would want a list of 10-20 broad categories. And for each broad category, a new list of categories would pop up, etc... That way I could search based from the concept level to more specifics until I was in a narrow range of subjects that had my topic. Not everyone knows the specifics of what to call something or how to phrase their question, but picking this way would make finding things much easier, and might even allow one to find alternative ways of solving the problem. The key to success here is that items in the index could appear in more than one place based on the concept being chased down. Dennis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Continuation Lines (was: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?)
The corollary of \ is ; (a semi-colon) ... on sillyTest what if what then get 2; add 2 to it; put A after it; put it; exit to top end if [.../...] end sillyTest Useful for very short lines! /H FLCo Home of the Scripter's Scrapbook ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Peter, On August 19, 2005 11:33:48 AM CDT you wrote: How is this different from the existing search option? Well it is somewhat different and seems to be faster than the documentation search on my machine. It also hilites the search string in red in the found topics. Check it out by running the same search on each and compare. It also has some nice radio button options for restricting or enhancing the search. Best regards, Glenn At 08:36 AM 8/19/2005, you wrote: Revers, Sorry to be so late on this topic. I'm retired. :-)) If you haven't already, get Wilhelm Sanke's excellent Search Docs plugin. Put it in your plugins folder for easy access in Rev. I typed Jon's first search into it (continue) and break \ came up as the first in the list. Get the one that's appropriate for you at this web page: http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia/index.html Or on RevOnline under user sanke. Happy reving, Glenn -- Glenn E. Fisher University of Houston - Retired 22402 Diane Dr. Spring, Tx 77373 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uh.edu/~fisher http://home.houston.rr.com/thegefishers/ http://homepage.mac.com/gefisher ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Continuation Lines (was: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?)
At 3:40 PM -0400 8/19/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The corollary of \ is ; (a semi-colon) ... on sillyTest what if what then get 2; add 2 to it; put A after it; put it; exit to top end if [.../...] end sillyTest Useful for very short lines! Also in the message box! You can use the multi-line message box, but the semicolon is handy for 2-liners in particular, such as global foo;answer foo -- jeanne a. e. devoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jaedworks.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
I'm sure the answer to this question (how do you continue a line in Rev) is simple. Where could I have found the answer to this simple question in the documentation? I looked for continue: no joy. line: no joy. I looked at the Scripting discussion, and I know know all about comments, but nothing about continuing lines onto the next line. I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. Jon ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Jon - as a novice myself I struggled with the same question. Then I found the answer in a sample script. The \ backslash character continues a line. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:20 PM To: Revolution List Subject: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev? I'm sure the answer to this question (how do you continue a line in Rev) is simple. Where could I have found the answer to this simple question in the documentation? I looked for continue: no joy. line: no joy. I looked at the Scripting discussion, and I know know all about comments, but nothing about continuing lines onto the next line. I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. Jon ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Recently, Jon wrote: I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. Dude - even coming from a related background (Director, Hypercard, Supercard) it took me a good year to get comfortable with Rev (then MetaCard). And as many of the old timers on this list will tell you, even after years of using the tool, someone will inevitably pass along something you never knew. As cliché as it sounds, The learning never stops rings quite true. This list is here to help with the frustration. BTW, if you're asking about line wrap character, it's a backslash. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Yah - but this list is great. Searching the list archives is very useful as well: http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution@lists.runrev.com/ I think that the problem is one of staffing. There are not very many Rev users - thus not enough income for the company to hire people to write documentation, fix bugs, and add features as fast as needed - thus getting into it is difficult - thus not enough people sign up for Rev - thus not enough income... Such are the pains of bootstrapping a company. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:20 PM To: Revolution List Subject: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev? I'm sure the answer to this question (how do you continue a line in Rev) is simple. Where could I have found the answer to this simple question in the documentation? I looked for continue: no joy. line: no joy. I looked at the Scripting discussion, and I know know all about comments, but nothing about continuing lines onto the next line. I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. Jon ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Jon wrote: I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned, and how much less time did they take to master? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Thanks, Ed! :) Jon KOPP Ed wrote: Jon - as a novice myself I struggled with the same question. Then I found the answer in a sample script. The \ backslash character continues a line. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:20 PM To: Revolution List Subject: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev? I'm sure the answer to this question (how do you continue a line in Rev) is simple. Where could I have found the answer to this simple question in the documentation? I looked for continue: no joy. line: no joy. I looked at the Scripting discussion, and I know know all about comments, but nothing about continuing lines onto the next line. I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. Jon ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
If you'd done a search of the dictionary for break you'd have found the \ keyword. I often have to imagine a number of words that might be appropriate and try them all. I agree that this can be frustrating, but persistence and imagination are the key. This goes to confirm the idea that what would be ideal would be a series of in depth books that cover each aspect of Rev, perhaps including sections on equivalents to other languages, but who's going undertake such a mammoth task? Meanwhile, we just have to remember that the docs really are pretty comprehensive, but we have to dig quite deep, sometimes... Cheers, Mark On 18 Aug 2005, at 20:20, Jon wrote: I'm sure the answer to this question (how do you continue a line in Rev) is simple. Where could I have found the answer to this simple question in the documentation? I looked for continue: no joy. line: no joy. I looked at the Scripting discussion, and I know know all about comments, but nothing about continuing lines onto the next line. I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. Jon ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
My ONLY point was that I was unable to find this simple item in the Help. End of statement. Richard Gaskin wrote: Jon wrote: I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned, and how much less time did they take to master? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
I agree that a critical problem is trying to figure out what the authors of the documentation might have called the concept I have in mind. I have no constructive recommendation for improving the current system, other than that perhaps explaining the purpose of the \ character might have been appropriate in the section about Scripting... :) Mark Smith wrote: If you'd done a search of the dictionary for break you'd have found the \ keyword. I often have to imagine a number of words that might be appropriate and try them all. I agree that this can be frustrating, but persistence and imagination are the key. This goes to confirm the idea that what would be ideal would be a series of in depth books that cover each aspect of Rev, perhaps including sections on equivalents to other languages, but who's going undertake such a mammoth task? Meanwhile, we just have to remember that the docs really are pretty comprehensive, but we have to dig quite deep, sometimes... Cheers, Mark On 18 Aug 2005, at 20:20, Jon wrote: I'm sure the answer to this question (how do you continue a line in Rev) is simple. Where could I have found the answer to this simple question in the documentation? I looked for continue: no joy. line: no joy. I looked at the Scripting discussion, and I know know all about comments, but nothing about continuing lines onto the next line. I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. Jon ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Richard Gaskin wrote: Jon wrote: I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned, 4 or 5, depending how you count them ... (actually could be more, since I could count Fortran with two completely different multi-platform macro and library systems). and how much less time did they take to master? can't answer - I don't feel I ever mastered any of them :-) But the answer for how long to get basically competent is probably - first one was very slow (call it 100 time units) - second one wasn't entirely different, and shared some libraries - so it was much faster (call it 50) - third one was a quite different language, but similar libraries (call it 65) - fourth one was different GUI approach, though similar language - call it 30 until basic, 70 until competent - fifth was Rev - call it 10 to get basic, 30 to get reasonable, 60 to get started, 80 so far (yes, it did feel like I went backwards for a while :-) As for the original question - I used a backslash without thinking about it, just out of dumb good luck, so didn't even realize it was a question that needed asking And I think there's a serious point about using Rev all the time ... - I find Rev frustrating in trivial ways when I switch between it and Python too often (stupid little things like writing a whole section of script like myVar1 = empty myVar2 = this string before having a Duh! moment and re-writing it all properly with put). That's entirely my fault - I know how to do it in Rev, and I know not to blame Rev for my strong habits - but it can be frustrating. It works better for me to try to stick to one language for a week or more at a time. Of course, having a multiplicity of simultaneous projects and real life rarely allow that, but when I can do it, I stop doing this kind of silly stuff, and the frustration level drops quickly. -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 17/08/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Interesting dilemma. I checked out the Microsoft Development Environment Help for VB and couldn't find out how to 'continue' a line there either. I searched for continue, break, line and checked all the scripting reference guides. bummer. Chipp Jon wrote: I'm sure the answer to this question (how do you continue a line in Rev) is simple. Where could I have found the answer to this simple question in the documentation? I looked for continue: no joy. line: no joy. I looked at the Scripting discussion, and I know know all about comments, but nothing about continuing lines onto the next line. I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Alex Tweedly wrote: And I think there's a serious point about using Rev all the time ... - I find Rev frustrating in trivial ways when I switch between it and Python too often (stupid little things like writing a whole section of script like myVar1 = empty myVar2 = this string before having a Duh! moment and re-writing it all properly with put). That's entirely my fault - I know how to do it in Rev, and I know not to blame Rev for my strong habits - but it can be frustrating. xTalk is a radically different paradigm from most other languages, and indeed carries much unlearning. To help ease the journey for those familiar with other lanuguages I would advocate an OPTIONAL assignment syntax as you describe. As an option, xTalk purists could continue to write as they always have without ever needing to even think about it. But by having the option available, a lot of habits useful in a majority of other languages become an asset in learning Rev rather than a liability. Today and for the future, we can expect that the largest group of new Transcript adoptees will be coming from a background that has some experience with at least one other language, and it won't be an xTalk as with yesterday's audience. Options that bridge the gap for today's audience will be very beneficial to RunRev, and by extension the rest of us regardless of which syntax options we prefer. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Hi Jon, Jon wrote: ... I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. Well, actually we did not wake up one morning and suddenly knew how to do everything right, believe it or not... ;-) Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Klaus: I thought that all of you who paid the big bucks for the Enterprise version got a pill with RNA in it, and that you learned it all over night! :) Jon Klaus Major wrote: Hi Jon, Jon wrote: ... I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. Well, actually we did not wake up one morning and suddenly knew how to do everything right, believe it or not... ;-) Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Jon wrote: I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned, and how much less time did they take to master? My ONLY point was that I was unable to find this simple item in the Help. I agree; it's as hard to find in Rev's help as it is in the world's most popular IDE, VB. When RunRev makes a token entry for that they'll have one up on the biggest software vendor in history. :) If participating in a discussion group to get near-instant assistance is frustrating, there's hope: When I was first transitioning to Transcript (back then it was called MetaTalk) from a background of mostly SuperTalk and a little C and Pascal (and all of it only on Mac), I whinged all over the discussion list about how this was wrong and that was wrong and why couldn't they just do it like it's done in HyperCard and why is the whole thing just stupid! Fortunately, RunRev's Kevin Miller and MetaCard Corp's Scott Raney had far more patience than I. In each case where I was certain the language was stupid they paitently walked me through how it got that way, how much its platform-independent nature (and arguably superior object model) sometimes meant I had to learn new ways of doing things. In every case they were able to turn my tirade into a productive learning experience. (Except in the case of the destroyStack token, which I still maintain is an unnecessarily frightening choice of terminology for something that's really quite benign g). If there's any reason I feel so supportive about the language today, it's because I came to it kicking and screaming. Having once wore the crown if King Whinger, I can tell you from firsthand experience that it's quite possible to learn the language well, and that it went a little faster once I got past the whingeing. You needn't learn the language as slowly as I did. :) -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Richard Gaskin wrote: xTalk is a radically different paradigm from most other languages, and indeed carries much unlearning. To help ease the journey for those familiar with other lanuguages I would advocate an OPTIONAL assignment syntax as you describe. As an option, xTalk purists could continue to write as they always have without ever needing to even think about it. snip Options that bridge the gap for today's audience will be very beneficial to RunRev, and by extension the rest of us regardless of which syntax options we prefer. Allowing the x = y+z format for assignment statements is one option. I'd almost argue for a different approach: When in the script editor, and I hit TAB to re-layout the current handler, the script editor already needs to scan the entire handler for basic syntax and certain keywords. It could additionally check for lines of the form single-token assignment-operator sequence of more or more other tokens and convert it (after asking me) into put sequence ... tokens into single-token or add sequence ... tokens to single-token or etc. as appropriate for the assignment operator used. I guess a purist could say this kind of re-arrangement is different from simple indentation - but I kinda like this idea. And it would mean that the Transcript purists wouldn't be bothered by sample scripts showing up in this radical new, ugly syntax :-) -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 17/08/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Richard- Thursday, August 18, 2005, 1:01:28 PM, you wrote: Jon wrote: I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned, and how much less time did they take to master? Sorry, Richard, but I think this is out of line here. I don't really know where I learned about the backslash, but it ain't easy finding out what the line continuation character is unless you ask it here. It's certainly not obvious from searching through the documentation, and if it's in there I couldn't say where it is. I learn a lot by looking at other people's code, but not everyone has the same style of learning. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
I found it very helpful to read the docs cover to cover. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Wieder Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:13 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev? Richard- Thursday, August 18, 2005, 1:01:28 PM, you wrote: Jon wrote: I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned, and how much less time did they take to master? Sorry, Richard, but I think this is out of line here. I don't really know where I learned about the backslash, but it ain't easy finding out what the line continuation character is unless you ask it here. It's certainly not obvious from searching through the documentation, and if it's in there I couldn't say where it is. I learn a lot by looking at other people's code, but not everyone has the same style of learning. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Is the continuation character documented someplace? The current documentation is a great reference. The videos are good for instruction, but I think there needs to be some more IDE documentation, like this is the code editor, you can switch the handler views using this menu, the continuation character is \, etc. At 05:13 PM 8/18/2005, you wrote: I found it very helpful to read the docs cover to cover. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Wieder Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:13 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev? Richard- Thursday, August 18, 2005, 1:01:28 PM, you wrote: Jon wrote: I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned, and how much less time did they take to master? Sorry, Richard, but I think this is out of line here. I don't really know where I learned about the backslash, but it ain't easy finding out what the line continuation character is unless you ask it here. It's certainly not obvious from searching through the documentation, and if it's in there I couldn't say where it is. I learn a lot by looking at other people's code, but not everyone has the same style of learning. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 24-hour recorded info hotline: 1-800-624-7671 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
How about this: We take the entire Rev docs and put them in a Wiki (hopefully this process can be automated) Then, when we find a problem or something that needs to be added to the docs, whichever one of us has the answer to the problem goes to the wiki and modifies the document, or creates a new page, or whatever is needed. We could probably add quite a few how-to pages, and probably expand a number of reference items with further examples as needed. It would not be viewed as big 'ol humungous project. Instead, it would just be natural ongoing process in response to discussions on this list. Just like when you guys say 'did you BZ it' in response to newly discovered bugs, we would also say 'did you Wiki it' in response to newly discovered solutions or needed explanations. Would this be practical? Is there any way to automatically put the docs into a Wiki? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter T. Evensen Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:24 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev? Is the continuation character documented someplace? The current documentation is a great reference. The videos are good for instruction, but I think there needs to be some more IDE documentation, like this is the code editor, you can switch the handler views using this menu, the continuation character is \, etc. At 05:13 PM 8/18/2005, you wrote: I found it very helpful to read the docs cover to cover. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Wieder Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:13 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev? Richard- Thursday, August 18, 2005, 1:01:28 PM, you wrote: Jon wrote: I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned, and how much less time did they take to master? Sorry, Richard, but I think this is out of line here. I don't really know where I learned about the backslash, but it ain't easy finding out what the line continuation character is unless you ask it here. It's certainly not obvious from searching through the documentation, and if it's in there I couldn't say where it is. I learn a lot by looking at other people's code, but not everyone has the same style of learning. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 24-hour recorded info hotline: 1-800-624-7671 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
There are webnotes... not sure exactly how those work. At 05:30 PM 8/18/2005, you wrote: How about this: We take the entire Rev docs and put them in a Wiki (hopefully this process can be automated) Then, when we find a problem or something that needs to be added to the docs, whichever one of us has the answer to the problem goes to the wiki and modifies the document, or creates a new page, or whatever is needed. We could probably add quite a few how-to pages, and probably expand a number of reference items with further examples as needed. It would not be viewed as big 'ol humungous project. Instead, it would just be natural ongoing process in response to discussions on this list. Just like when you guys say 'did you BZ it' in response to newly discovered bugs, we would also say 'did you Wiki it' in response to newly discovered solutions or needed explanations. Would this be practical? Is there any way to automatically put the docs into a Wiki? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter T. Evensen Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:24 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev? Is the continuation character documented someplace? The current documentation is a great reference. The videos are good for instruction, but I think there needs to be some more IDE documentation, like this is the code editor, you can switch the handler views using this menu, the continuation character is \, etc. At 05:13 PM 8/18/2005, you wrote: I found it very helpful to read the docs cover to cover. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Wieder Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:13 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev? Richard- Thursday, August 18, 2005, 1:01:28 PM, you wrote: Jon wrote: I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned, and how much less time did they take to master? Sorry, Richard, but I think this is out of line here. I don't really know where I learned about the backslash, but it ain't easy finding out what the line continuation character is unless you ask it here. It's certainly not obvious from searching through the documentation, and if it's in there I couldn't say where it is. I learn a lot by looking at other people's code, but not everyone has the same style of learning. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 24-hour recorded info hotline: 1-800-624-7671 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 24-hour recorded info hotline: 1-800-624-7671 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
I learn a lot by looking at other people's code, but not everyone has the same style of learning. Just FYI, I did look at a lot of code before asking, but most people seem to be able to avoid using the backslash. I did too, right up until I had to use a huge libUrlFormData statement... :) Jon Mark Wieder wrote: Richard- Thursday, August 18, 2005, 1:01:28 PM, you wrote: Jon wrote: I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned, and how much less time did they take to master? Sorry, Richard, but I think this is out of line here. I don't really know where I learned about the backslash, but it ain't easy finding out what the line continuation character is unless you ask it here. It's certainly not obvious from searching through the documentation, and if it's in there I couldn't say where it is. I learn a lot by looking at other people's code, but not everyone has the same style of learning. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
I understand that some folks learn that way, but I learn better when I focus on the task at hand and look at examples. If I try to read about EVERY feature in the language, I usually just get overwhelmed. I agree that learning some fundamentals (chunks is a great example) is really necessary, but when it comes to more specialized facilities (such as the FTP and URL stuff that I've been doing today), I would forget it all before I ever had to lose it. I think some people just learn differently than others. :) Jon Lynch, Jonathan wrote: I found it very helpful to read the docs cover to cover. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Wieder Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:13 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev? Richard- Thursday, August 18, 2005, 1:01:28 PM, you wrote: Jon wrote: I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned, and how much less time did they take to master? Sorry, Richard, but I think this is out of line here. I don't really know where I learned about the backslash, but it ain't easy finding out what the line continuation character is unless you ask it here. It's certainly not obvious from searching through the documentation, and if it's in there I couldn't say where it is. I learn a lot by looking at other people's code, but not everyone has the same style of learning. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
I must confess that I am guilty of having some lines that stretch to more than twice the width of my screen. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:41 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev? I learn a lot by looking at other people's code, but not everyone has the same style of learning. Just FYI, I did look at a lot of code before asking, but most people seem to be able to avoid using the backslash. I did too, right up until I had to use a huge libUrlFormData statement... :) Jon Mark Wieder wrote: Richard- Thursday, August 18, 2005, 1:01:28 PM, you wrote: Jon wrote: I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned, and how much less time did they take to master? Sorry, Richard, but I think this is out of line here. I don't really know where I learned about the backslash, but it ain't easy finding out what the line continuation character is unless you ask it here. It's certainly not obvious from searching through the documentation, and if it's in there I couldn't say where it is. I learn a lot by looking at other people's code, but not everyone has the same style of learning. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Richard Gaskin wrote: When I was first transitioning to Transcript (back then it was called MetaTalk) from a background of mostly SuperTalk and a little C and Pascal (and all of it only on Mac), I whinged all over the discussion list about how this was wrong and that was wrong and why couldn't they just do it like it's done in HyperCard and why is the whole thing just stupid! Fortunately, RunRev's Kevin Miller and MetaCard Corp's Scott Raney had far more patience than I. In each case where I was certain the language was stupid they paitently walked me through how it got that way, how much its platform-independent nature (and arguably superior object model) sometimes meant I had to learn new ways of doing things. Yeah. And then when I first started with Transcript/MetaCard, I was SCREAMING and waking the neighbors and pounding my fist and pissing off my husband. And Richard -- who was about a year ahead of me with MetaCard -- patiently walked me through it and explained how the differences from HyperCard were necessary, and etc etc... until I learned it. And grew to love it. And then, one of my clients called me on the phone, and was hollering and screaming, and I walked him through it and explained... Honest. :) I think we all did it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
On 8/18/05 5:23 PM, Peter T. Evensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the continuation character documented someplace? Absolutely! It's under the \ keyword in the Dictionary. Technically it's called a line continuation character, so when I did a search in the Dictionary for continuation (Search, not Filter), the first hit was the \. Additionally, its in Topics, under Writing Transcript Code: How do I break a line in a script? So it's there, it just may not be as easy to find for some as for others, IMHO. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Mark Wieder wrote: Thursday, August 18, 2005, 1:01:28 PM, you wrote: Jon wrote: I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned, and how much less time did they take to master? Sorry, Richard, but I think this is out of line here. I don't really know where I learned about the backslash, but it ain't easy finding out what the line continuation character is unless you ask it here. It's certainly not obvious from searching through the documentation, and if it's in there I couldn't say where it is. I learn a lot by looking at other people's code, but not everyone has the same style of learning. Of course; I wouldn't presume to speak for all users, exerienced or otherwise. I learned about Transcript's line continuation character from other scripters, just like Jon did. If that was the extent of his post there would have been no reason for follow-ups from Chipp, me, other the others who've replied here. But since he raised the suggestion that Rev is unusually frustrating, to understand what he means it's helpful to know what he's comparing it to. All product documentation has holes in it, and not just software; cars, cell phones, and many other product docs are just as lacking. Everyone tries to do a good job with their docs, but everyone fails with some detail or another. As Chipp pointed out, the world's most popular IDE made by the world's richest software company fails just as miserably as Rev on this one. As I noted in my previous post, I fully agree with Jon that it would be great for Rev to include an entry for the backslash token in the docs. If someone will kindly drop this into the BZ queue we can expect that to happen, then we'd never need to think about it again and Rev would have one up on Microsoft. I remain very supportive of any productive activities that improve the product and people's experience with it. And as far as learning a programming language being frustrating, I agree there too -- all of them are at one time or another. If Rev is portrayed as frustrating enough to be noteworthy, I don't see how it's out of line to ask what it's being compared to. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
I think it was Jon who asked about line wraps. Jon, you might not have noticed a nice Rev feature that also addresses your concern. When a script window is open, you'll find a wrap long lines item in the view dropdown menu. If you turn it on, you don't need the backslash, but you can still read or write those occasional looonnn lines. BTW, I've had frustration, too, but my comfort level is rising. HC converts seem to expect an easy learning curve. I was, and I did. Rev is not nightmarishly hard, but it's not your Grandma's hyperCard either. I got stuck on little stuff -- like your line wrap question -- pretty often at first. Not so much now. Hope this helps. Tim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Jon wrote: I think some people just learn differently than others. No doubt. But at least you and I have one useful thing in common: If we don't find it easily in the docs we bring the question here to this list. Near-immediate gratification at zero cost -- hard to beat that value. I never learned a language without some online community to assist, even before the Web was invented in 1987 and all we had were Wildcat BBSes. :) -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Richard- Thursday, August 18, 2005, 4:16:28 PM, you wrote: As I noted in my previous post, I fully agree with Jon that it would be great for Rev to include an entry for the backslash token in the docs. If someone will kindly drop this into the BZ queue we can expect that to happen, then we'd never need to think about it again and Rev would have Good point. BZ #3065 now entered. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Mark Wieder wrote: Richard- Thursday, August 18, 2005, 4:16:28 PM, you wrote: As I noted in my previous post, I fully agree with Jon that it would be great for Rev to include an entry for the backslash token in the docs. If someone will kindly drop this into the BZ queue we can expect that to happen, then we'd never need to think about it again and Rev would have Good point. BZ #3065 now entered. Thanks for taking care of that. BZ is a great way to make sure things don't fall off the radar. I have it bookmarked for quick access. I appreciate when companies provide things like that, like Apple's Feedback page. I sure with more of my vendors gave us a way to put things in their queue. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
