Re: Keyboards
Final note on this thread before I put it down to the archives and posterity for the next person looking for a kb. I got a Das Keyboard Silent Ultimate on Friday. It's mechanical, but it eliminates the click portion of the sound that an M style mechanical keyboard makes. Instead you hear the riser sliding in and out of the bushing, and the key bottoming out at the end. It's still a lot louder than a membrane keyboard. Most of the mechanicals that I've checked out require 70g of force to activate the key. The Silent requires 50, so it's a lighter feel, if you want that. The Ultimate is so named because it has no labels on any of the keys, again if you want that. I love, love, love the feel. I'm glad that I'm back on a mechanical. I did a lot of keyboarding since I've gotten it, and I'm really happy that I bought it. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Bl**dy Laptop Keyboards
I want to have an end-user press the ENTER key, and NOT the RETURN key; and that is all well and jolly on most PC/Mac keyboards. BUT, on laptops this seems a no-no as there is no numeric keypad to the right of the qwerty/azerty part, and what should be the RETURN key seems to combine the functions of the RETURN and the ENTER keys . . . . . . Does anybody know of any way to get round this problem (and I don't mean remapping to some completely different key on the keyboard) . . . ??? sincerely, Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bl**dy Laptop Keyboards
Richmond, on my short Mac keyboard, pressing Fn + Return is the same as Enter. I don't know what type of laptop you are talking about, but this might be the answer. Cheers, Sarah On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: I want to have an end-user press the ENTER key, and NOT the RETURN key; and that is all well and jolly on most PC/Mac keyboards. BUT, on laptops this seems a no-no as there is no numeric keypad to the right of the qwerty/azerty part, and what should be the RETURN key seems to combine the functions of the RETURN and the ENTER keys . . . . . . Does anybody know of any way to get round this problem (and I don't mean remapping to some completely different key on the keyboard) . . . ??? sincerely, Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Cheers, Sarah Rodeo discussion: http://alltiera.com/discussion/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bl**dy Laptop Keyboards
On 10/27/2010 01:18 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: Richmond, on my short Mac keyboard, pressing Fn + Return is the same as Enter. I don't know what type of laptop you are talking about, but this might be the answer. Cheers, Sarah Thanks, but what is a Fn button? On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Richmondrichmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: I want to have an end-user press the ENTER key, and NOT the RETURN key; and that is all well and jolly on most PC/Mac keyboards. BUT, on laptops this seems a no-no as there is no numeric keypad to the right of the qwerty/azerty part, and what should be the RETURN key seems to combine the functions of the RETURN and the ENTER keys . . . . . . Does anybody know of any way to get round this problem (and I don't mean remapping to some completely different key on the keyboard) . . . ??? sincerely, Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bl**dy Laptop Keyboards
Richmond wrote: I want to have an end-user press the ENTER key, and NOT the RETURN key; and that is all well and jolly on most PC/Mac keyboards. BUT, on laptops this seems a no-no as there is no numeric keypad to the right of the qwerty/azerty part, and what should be the RETURN key seems to combine the functions of the RETURN and the ENTER keys . . . . . . Does anybody know of any way to get round this problem (and I don't mean remapping to some completely different key on the keyboard) . . . ??? Some laptops provide the option to use multi-combinations (like Function+Enter) to trigger the Return key code (Fn = Function). I find that too annoying to do, so I've been redesigning some apps to eliminate distinctions between the two keys. Yep, it isn't what I'd prefer but it's where we are. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bl**dy Laptop Keyboards
Richmond Thanks, but what is a Fn button? It's the bottom left key in the picture at http://gamoe.net/imagebank/NewMacBookKeyboard.jpg. There are both return and enter keys on my MacBookPro. Regards Peter___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
I've ordered one keyboard to test, because I haven't liked anything that I've felt in any of the local stores. I also have another that I want to try because it looks like it's probably very cool. Anyway, the main point here was this: I've been researching keyboards for about a month. I am fascinated by what I have found to date: 1) none of the manufacturers will disclose the trigger force of their membrane keyboards. They have said that because of manufacturing issues, the weight can vary significantly, so no two keyboards, even within the same lot, will feel the same. 2) Even among the keyboards with premium mechanical switches, the activating force varies by +/- 30% ON THE SAME KEYBOARD! I'll let you know more after I get to junk this POC for hopefully one that doesn't make my fingers hurt... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bl**dy Laptop Keyboards
On 10/27/2010 04:16 PM, Peter W A Wood wrote: Richmond Thanks, but what is a Fn button? It's the bottom left key in the picture at http://gamoe.net/imagebank/NewMacBookKeyboard.jpg. There are both return and enter keys on my MacBookPro. Thanks, BUT . . . not many laptops have both return and entry keys, and Mac desktops tned not to have Fn keys. Now, as I probably will be unable to have my standalone detect whether it has ended up on a laptop or a desktop I need something that will 'DO' for both. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
Once I got used to it I quite like the flat aluminum Mac keyboards and bought several corded ones for home and office. The Kinesis board takes a lot of getting used to but is great if you're keying all day. http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/ The original IBM keyboards are love/hate in terms of feel. I remember them well but prefer the newer lighter keyboards. http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/cus101usenon.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
Paul Looney-2 wrote: Let us know if you have more keyboard questions. Hi Paul, I have another keyboard question. For some time i have been using diverse IBM Thinkpads models and i have grown accustomed to their keyboard configuration and typing touch. Did anybody could name another brand of Laptop or Netbook with a keyboard as good or better than Thinkpad's? Notice that i have tested Sony Vaio, Apple MacBook, Toshiba and Acer, but i do not like their keyboards. Thanks in advance. Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Keyboards-tp3007302p3013008.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
Al, For what it is worth, I don't like any of those keyboards, either. When I travel with my laptop I carry a Mac Mini Pro keyboard that I got from Fentek years ago. I'd recommend it but I went to their site and they no longer carry it. What I like about it is that it is compact, light enough to carry but still has good, full-sized, tactile keys. When using the laptop or the Mini as a desktop in my office I connect them to the Unicomp Model M - there is just nothing that compares. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. Paul Looney On Oct 25, 2010, at 6:15 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: Paul Looney-2 wrote: Let us know if you have more keyboard questions. Hi Paul, I have another keyboard question. For some time i have been using diverse IBM Thinkpads models and i have grown accustomed to their keyboard configuration and typing touch. Did anybody could name another brand of Laptop or Netbook with a keyboard as good or better than Thinkpad's? Notice that i have tested Sony Vaio, Apple MacBook, Toshiba and Acer, but i do not like their keyboards. Thanks in advance. Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution. 278305.n4.nabble.com/Keyboards-tp3007302p3013008.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
Well thanks to this thread at least I found out where the # key went on the UK Mac keyboards, which maybe might come in handly one day. Its surreal to have it be alt + 3 unmarked. How on earth are you supposed to know that? I guess you have to read the Human Interface Guidelines? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Keyboards-tp3007302p3008197.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:36 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Its surreal to have it be alt + 3 unmarked. How on earth are you supposed to know that? I guess you have to read the Human Interface Guidelines? The keys are marked for normal, fn, and shift already. Marking them for option and option/shift as well would make them look quite cluttered. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
I swear by my Kinesis keyboard. I have it mapped dvorak but it can use the antiquated qwerty method too. On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:36 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Its surreal to have it be alt + 3 unmarked. How on earth are you supposed to know that? I guess you have to read the Human Interface Guidelines? The keys are marked for normal, fn, and shift already. Marking them for option and option/shift as well would make them look quite cluttered. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
Peter Alcibiades wrote: Well thanks to this thread at least I found out where the # key went on the UK Mac keyboards, which maybe might come in handly one day. Its surreal to have it be alt + 3 unmarked. How on earth are you supposed to know that? I guess you have to read the Human Interface Guidelines? You can show the Keyboard Viewer, which is the old Keycaps utility remade. To get there on OS X, tick Show Keyboard Character Viewer in menu bar in the Keyboard system prefs. Then you can choose Keyboard Viewer from the menu item and see all the key options by holding down different keys on your keyboard. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
Presumably they wanted to have the pound sterling symbol more naturally available, so they swapped the sterling and the # mappings -- option-3 vs shift-3. It would have made more sense for them to have mapped the sterling symbol to shift-4, where the dollar sign is. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:36 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Well thanks to this thread at least I found out where the # key went on the UK Mac keyboards, which maybe might come in handly one day. Its surreal to have it be alt + 3 unmarked. How on earth are you supposed to know that? I guess you have to read the Human Interface Guidelines? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Keyboards-tp3007302p3008197.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
On Oct 23, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: Presumably they wanted to have the pound sterling symbol more naturally available, so they swapped the sterling and the # mappings -- option-3 vs shift-3. It would have made more sense for them to have mapped the sterling symbol to shift-4, where the dollar sign is. Depends how you look at it. For example, ¥ is option Y, and € is option shift 2. So currency things are spread all over the place. Whereas hash (#) is called pound in the US, so using option-3 and shift-3 for two of the uses of the word pound, makes some sense. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Keyboards
Well, the possibility of being able to use RR...ERR LC to develop iOS apps caused me to buy a Mac Mini, my first desktop in a while. For the first time in a long time I'm looking for a keyboard. Since I spend a lot of my day banging on keys, I'm looking for something that doesn't feel like 5h!7, and will put up with the abuse. I WANT to like the Apple-branded keyboards, but my first impression is that I don't like the chicklets on the wireless version, and I think I want a full 105 key keyboard. I've been to Best Buy but I haven't found one that feels good under my fingers. Suggestions? -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
HI, Mike, There are actually two models, the full size USB 105 key version with num keypad, and the wireless, smaller version. if you haven't tried one of the 'newer' mac keyboards, they're not as impractical and non-tactile as they look. They take a little getting used to, but they are not chicklets, as in the Texas Instruments personal computer disaster. I now prefer them over PC-like keyboards. They're light and easy to pack in luggage. In other words, don't knock it until you've actually used one. They will take the abuse, but of course any keyboard used every day will get worn out after a few years. I'm buying another one of these things soon. On 22 October 2010 07:35, Mike Kerner mikeker...@roadrunner.com wrote: Well, the possibility of being able to use RR...ERR LC to develop iOS apps caused me to buy a Mac Mini, my first desktop in a while. For the first time in a long time I'm looking for a keyboard. Since I spend a lot of my day banging on keys, I'm looking for something that doesn't feel like 5h!7, and will put up with the abuse. I WANT to like the Apple-branded keyboards, but my first impression is that I don't like the chicklets on the wireless version, and I think I want a full 105 key keyboard. I've been to Best Buy but I haven't found one that feels good under my fingers. Suggestions? -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
The Apple corded full USB is very nice. Far better than the Cherry Strait which is a contender also, but the keycaps wear off. Otherwise, Logitech OEM is very good value and everyone really likes it. Or the extreme clickety clack made by PCKeyboards, which if they are into that sort of thing, people also like a lot. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Keyboards-tp3007302p3007583.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
I use the apple corded keyboard at work, and for home I use the wireless short version (without the numeric keypad)... It took me a few days to get used to the one at home, but now I'm equally comfortable on both. At least now I don't have to tote my keyboard around with me along with my Mbpro. 23 LED Cinema display with docking cables in both locations so basically works like an iMac ;) Now if only I can get used to the Magic Mouse ;-) Leland Le 22/10/2010 19:26, « Peter Alcibiades » palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.uk a écrit : The Apple corded full USB is very nice. Far better than the Cherry Strait which is a contender also, but the keycaps wear off. Otherwise, Logitech OEM is very good value and everyone really likes it. Or the extreme clickety clack made by PCKeyboards, which if they are into that sort of thing, people also like a lot. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
I ordered a few items the other day, one of which is the shorter wireless keyboard. I'm expecting to get on with it ok, because I full time use a MacBook Pro keyboard, which is more or less the same set of keys. I also ordered a Magic Trackpad. Will be interesting to see how that goes. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
I really like the Logitech ones. The only real advice I can give you is when it comes to keyboards, cheap refers to both price AND quality, and hence longevity. Bob On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:35 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: Well, the possibility of being able to use RR...ERR LC to develop iOS apps caused me to buy a Mac Mini, my first desktop in a while. For the first time in a long time I'm looking for a keyboard. Since I spend a lot of my day banging on keys, I'm looking for something that doesn't feel like 5h!7, and will put up with the abuse. I WANT to like the Apple-branded keyboards, but my first impression is that I don't like the chicklets on the wireless version, and I think I want a full 105 key keyboard. I've been to Best Buy but I haven't found one that feels good under my fingers. Suggestions? -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
I should also mention that I have never seen anyone wear the letters off the Apple keyboards. At least not the external ones. I have on other keyboards. Again, don't go cheap and you should be fine with anything. Bob On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:35 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: Well, the possibility of being able to use RR...ERR LC to develop iOS apps caused me to buy a Mac Mini, my first desktop in a while. For the first time in a long time I'm looking for a keyboard. Since I spend a lot of my day banging on keys, I'm looking for something that doesn't feel like 5h!7, and will put up with the abuse. I WANT to like the Apple-branded keyboards, but my first impression is that I don't like the chicklets on the wireless version, and I think I want a full 105 key keyboard. I've been to Best Buy but I haven't found one that feels good under my fingers. Suggestions? -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
I have to say, reluctantly, not being an admirer of Apple or its works, that the latest keyboards, if that's the sort of thing you want, basically do not have any competition. I was using the aluminum usb full one, really came to like it, apart from the irritating keycaps. It is virtually silent, and my initial worries about the angle and RSI turned out to be groundless. Then my partner's keyboard blew up (it was an old Apple one also), so I gave her mine to try, and I could not get it back. I then bought the compact version for her for another office she works in, which is very nice too, it has full sized keys and takes up minimal desk space. I then bought a Cherry Strait for myself, which is really terrible by comparison, much noisier, and as I say the keycaps lose their legends after a very short time. Most disappointing. The real irritation about the Apple keyboards is the keys. Where, you ask yourself is the # key? The layout seems to be neither us nor uk but something horrible in between, so if you are not using an Apple computer you end up writing xmodmap files to get and @ in the right places, and then they do not correspond to what is on the keys. Its the usual story, difference and irritation for its own sake, in a nutshell, everything one detests about Apple. Which is why, despite its being a superior keyboard in itself, I won't be buying another one to replace the Cherry. But like I say, my partner is delighted with them. Of course, she cannot see the xmodmap files I have bought the Logitech OEMs for people who do a lot of typing. professional writers, who did not want to spend much money, and they seem to work very well for them. Solid, not too much effort, not too noisy, last for ever. They are probably the best value of the membrane type. I think if you are not going to spend the money and get a real specialist keyboard, this is the one to go for. I have bought the PCKeyboards one, basically an old IBM buckling spring recreation, for one guy who is an ex typesetter and so as nostalgic for that very positive action. He loves it, but you can hear it in the next room. Professional typists of a certain age really like these. They are not too expensive either, but they are not for everyone. But were I a Mac user (or a lady wanting minimal space on the desktop, a nice keyboard feel, and an elegant look) I would definitely get the corded aluminum one, either the extended or the basic. I know I will never get mine back. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Keyboards-tp3007302p3007696.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
I wonder if they sell a UK keyboard. For me, the # is shift-3, where it's always been for US keyboards. The @ is shift-2, again where it's always been. is shift-' again... well you get the idea. Bob On Oct 22, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: The real irritation about the Apple keyboards is the keys. Where, you ask yourself is the # key? The layout seems to be neither us nor uk but something horrible in between, so if you are not using an Apple computer you end up writing xmodmap files to get and @ in the right places, and then they do not correspond to what is on the keys. Its the usual story, difference and irritation for its own sake, in a nutshell, everything one detests about Apple. Which is why, despite its being a superior keyboard in itself, I won't be buying another one to replace the Cherry. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
Mike, Nice to hear from someone who takes typing seriously. I've found keyboard preferences are as personal as spouse preferences. Some people regard noise in a keyboard as a sign of quality; some people think silence in a keyboard is a sign of quality. Some like a long key travel, some prefer short keystrokes. Some don't care enough to notice a difference. For me, one advantage of buying a Mini over an iMac is that I would not be tempted to use another free Apple keyboard - which I think is numb, lacks sculptured keys, has no auditory response and is (for me) more pain than joy to use. Attached to my Mini is a Unicomp Model M. Do a Goggle search and you'll find this is rightly regarded by many keyboard affectionatos as the best keyboard ever. I love it. It is an absolute joy to use. I look forward to typing on it every day. But... I've loaned it to people with mixed results. About half immediately bought one for themselves. Others complained that it was too noisy. One thought it was too heavy?!? Younger users thought the keystrokes were too long (I suspect they had never used anything other than a scissor switch keyboard) - if you are accustomed to banging the keys to the bottom to assure that they have made contact, it takes awhile to realize that you don't need to do that with a good keyboard - with the M you get both auditory feedback (the clickety clack) and tactile feedback (as the keyspring buckles) - not only faster, but a lot more comfortable. If you are considering an M: 1. Don't let the price scare you. If you use a keyboard daily the lack of pain will pay for the M shortly - I type a lot, I've had two bouts of carpal tunnel trauma with prior keyboards - expensive and not much fun. The M will out-last several computers - when the time comes to upgrade your Mini, keep the M. Keep it for a couple decades if you wish. 2. The keys on the M have not been rearranged in almost 30 years. Compare with Apple keyboards where F-keys do different things with different models; where some Apple keyboards require you to use the Fn key with the F-key and other Apple keyboards require you to NOT use the Fn key for the same action. For years the Enter key floated around different locations at the bottom of Apple's smaller keyboards - now it is gone (replaced by Fn Return - how handy is that?) This problem goes away with an M (or any other external keyboard); you can set it up as you wish - and use it with your next five or ten computers - without relearning key layout. 3. Unicomp does not mention this on their website, but you can get Mac keys (Command and Option) for $10. You must order by phone and ask for them. 4. Change the default Windows layout to Mac layout in the Keyboard system preferences (swap the Windows key and the Alt key to Option and Command). With Snow Leopard you can do this per keyboard - very handy if you have the M connected to a laptop and use the M in the office and the laptop's keyboard on the road. BTW the name for the M in the Keyboard system preference is Endura - very appropriate. 5. For the record: I got the Customizer 104/105, USB, Buckling Spring (of course!), US English, Pearl White model. Doing it today, I might be tempted to get black with metallic grey (would probably match the current Mini better). If you don't go the M route, consider adding some sound to the keyboard you get. I use Keyclick from Sustainable Softworks on my laptop. I find it helps me type faster. Obviously it is not needed with an M. One advantage it has over the M: you can adjust the volume. Let us know if you have more keyboard questions. Paul Looney On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:35 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: Well, the possibility of being able to use RR...ERR LC to develop iOS apps caused me to buy a Mac Mini, my first desktop in a while. For the first time in a long time I'm looking for a keyboard. Since I spend a lot of my day banging on keys, I'm looking for something that doesn't feel like 5h!7, and will put up with the abuse. I WANT to like the Apple-branded keyboards, but my first impression is that I don't like the chicklets on the wireless version, and I think I want a full 105 key keyboard. I've been to Best Buy but I haven't found one that feels good under my fingers. Suggestions? -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe
Re: Keyboards
On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: The real irritation about the Apple keyboards is the keys. Where, you ask yourself is the # key? Any Apple keyboard I look at seems to have the # as shift 3. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
Has anybody tried a Das Keyboard? I've read about them but I haven't been able to try one out. Just as an editorial comment, even the new wired apple kb has the 3/8 chicklet action. I've tried both kb's in best buy and I just can't get used to them. I don't mind scissors per se. Actually, if I could remove the kb from this really, really cheap acer aspire that's sitting here, I'd use it forever. It might be the easiest-to-type-on kb I've had. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:18, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: The real irritation about the Apple keyboards is the keys. Where, you ask yourself is the # key? Any Apple keyboard I look at seems to have the # as shift 3. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
On 10/22/10 1:00 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: I should also mention that I have never seen anyone wear the letters off the Apple keyboards. At least not the external ones. I have on other keyboards. Again, don't go cheap and you should be fine with anything. I did. My old one is half bald. The S went first, followed eventually by most of the keys of the left side. I later found out this was a problem with certain Apple keyboards produced in 2008. One guy went through 3 of them in 18 months. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
On 10/22/2010 10:18 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: The real irritation about the Apple keyboards is the keys. Where, you ask yourself is the # key? Any Apple keyboard I look at seems to have the # as shift 3. Transatlantic problem! British Apple Keyboards have the Sterling sign at shift 3; # is there at Alt 3. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
On Oct 22, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Richmond wrote: Transatlantic problem! British Apple Keyboards have the Sterling sign at shift 3; # is there at Alt 3. And the US one uses option-3 for £. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
Well if you can type you shouldn't be looking at the keys anyway... On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:37, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: On 10/22/10 1:00 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: I should also mention that I have never seen anyone wear the letters off the Apple keyboards. At least not the external ones. I have on other keyboards. Again, don't go cheap and you should be fine with anything. I did. My old one is half bald. The S went first, followed eventually by most of the keys of the left side. I later found out this was a problem with certain Apple keyboards produced in 2008. One guy went through 3 of them in 18 months. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
I had a kensington that I liked but it didn't survive the beating. Had an apple wireless (2006) that didn't work all that well, but I was the second owner so not only did it have to survive me, no telling what the previous owner did to it. Despite all its issues, i'm back on a G-15, the first model made. Keycaps are worn off, it's noisy, big, heavy, the lit up keys are a bit obnoxious, however it still works, is easy to type on, does have the longer keystroke that I like, and it's primary selling point is.. It still works! On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Mike Kerner mikeker...@roadrunner.comwrote: Well if you can type you shouldn't be looking at the keys anyway... On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:37, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: On 10/22/10 1:00 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: I should also mention that I have never seen anyone wear the letters off the Apple keyboards. At least not the external ones. I have on other keyboards. Again, don't go cheap and you should be fine with anything. I did. My old one is half bald. The S went first, followed eventually by most of the keys of the left side. I later found out this was a problem with certain Apple keyboards produced in 2008. One guy went through 3 of them in 18 months. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
On 10/22/2010 11:11 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: Well if you can type you shouldn't be looking at the keys anyway... Hey, come over here and try typing on any one of the 3 keyboards I have on my desk that feature Latin-Arabic, Latin-Cyrillic and Latin-Phonetic Cyrillic and try typing using one of the Anglo-Saxon entry keybaords I wrote for my wife without looking; then, and only then, can you make those sorts of comments. Alternative, download my Devawriter and try typing out thr first 3 verses of Sri Isopanishad without looking . . . :) Love and muffled noises, Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Keyboards
From: Mike Kerner Well if you can type you shouldn't be looking at the keys anyway... It's fun to swap the N and M key on someone's keyboard, and see how long before they get confused. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paulmailto:pdero...@ix.netcom.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
On 10/22/10 3:11 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: Well if you can type you shouldn't be looking at the keys anyway... Until the little bumps on the J and F keys wear off, which is probably next. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
Yes, but if I take my keyboard to England, then all the keys will have changed. Then what do I do? ;-) Bob On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: Well if you can type you shouldn't be looking at the keys anyway... On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:37, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: On 10/22/10 1:00 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: I should also mention that I have never seen anyone wear the letters off the Apple keyboards. At least not the external ones. I have on other keyboards. Again, don't go cheap and you should be fine with anything. I did. My old one is half bald. The S went first, followed eventually by most of the keys of the left side. I later found out this was a problem with certain Apple keyboards produced in 2008. One guy went through 3 of them in 18 months. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Keyboards
Actually he's looking around about now for the institution that is missing a bunch of inmates. Bob On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:13 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 10/22/10 3:11 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: Well if you can type you shouldn't be looking at the keys anyway... Until the little bumps on the J and F keys wear off, which is probably next. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Clacking Keyboards
I have just uploaded to revOnline a really goofy little stack called CLACKER.rev ( find it under Richmond ). It just traps rawKeyDowns However: It only works when it is frontmost It won't 'Clack' when I type in a text editor It gets in the way of the normal key-commands HELP NEEDED! :) sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clacking Keyboards
Just hit your keys harder. Also, I've found that crouton crumbs work. Always there to help. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Foreign Keyboards
Hi Ron, I am able to use Arabic input methods, but it takes a little hack to make the text go from right to left. I would expect it to be possible to enter Japanese characters in Revolution. What happens if you click in a field first and then use the mouse to choose a Japanese input method? Have you installed font support for Asian languages? Are you able to use Japanese in a word processor? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz http://facebook.economy-x-talk.com Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 19 aug 2008, at 07:01, ron barber wrote: Hi, I am unable to use a Japanese keyboard on a Windows machine so I am wondering if there is anyone else using some kind of localized keyboard on Windows with success. Specifically, the Japanese keyboard has keys that change the input method but with RR they only produce an 'a' or chartonum 65 so I can't even trap it. Other possibilities are straight kana input, but I haven't gotten that to work either. Thanks Ron ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Foreign Keyboards
Hi Mark,Thanks for the reply. I am able to input Japanese with no problems using english keyboards. The problem is that the Japanese keyboard on Windows has a slightly different layout and some of the keys do not do what they are supposed to do. I am wondering if there is anyone who uses a Japanese keyboard with success in Windows? Thanks Ron PS could you write me (offlist?) about the little hack you use for right to left Arabic? I would like to try it for Hebrew. Thanks On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ron, I am able to use Arabic input methods, but it takes a little hack to make the text go from right to left. I would expect it to be possible to enter Japanese characters in Revolution. What happens if you click in a field first and then use the mouse to choose a Japanese input method? Have you installed font support for Asian languages? Are you able to use Japanese in a word processor? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz http://facebook.economy-x-talk.com Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 19 aug 2008, at 07:01, ron barber wrote: Hi, I am unable to use a Japanese keyboard on a Windows machine so I am wondering if there is anyone else using some kind of localized keyboard on Windows with success. Specifically, the Japanese keyboard has keys that change the input method but with RR they only produce an 'a' or chartonum 65 so I can't even trap it. Other possibilities are straight kana input, but I haven't gotten that to work either. Thanks Ron ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Foreign Keyboards
On Aug 19, 2008, at 8:19 AM, ron barber wrote: PS could you write me (offlist?) about the little hack you use for right to left Arabic? I would like to try it for Hebrew. Thanks Or maybe even on-list? :-) I'd be very interested. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Foreign Keyboards
Ron, When you set a Japanese Unicode font on a text field. You can type Japanese and English text correctly. Even if you use a Japanese layout keyboard. When you use a default text field that is set an English font, you can type Japanese characters, but wrong symbols. I do not have a Japanese keyboard of Windows, then I have not tested it on 2.9 and 3.0. I will ask about it to Japanese Revolution Forums later. -- Kenji Kojima http://www.kenjikojima.com/ On Aug 19, 2008, at 10:19 AM, ron barber wrote: Hi Mark,Thanks for the reply. I am able to input Japanese with no problems using english keyboards. The problem is that the Japanese keyboard on Windows has a slightly different layout and some of the keys do not do what they are supposed to do. I am wondering if there is anyone who uses a Japanese keyboard with success in Windows? Thanks Ron PS could you write me (offlist?) about the little hack you use for right to left Arabic? I would like to try it for Hebrew. Thanks On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ron, I am able to use Arabic input methods, but it takes a little hack to make the text go from right to left. I would expect it to be possible to enter Japanese characters in Revolution. What happens if you click in a field first and then use the mouse to choose a Japanese input method? Have you installed font support for Asian languages? Are you able to use Japanese in a word processor? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz http://facebook.economy-x-talk.com Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 19 aug 2008, at 07:01, ron barber wrote: Hi, I am unable to use a Japanese keyboard on a Windows machine so I am wondering if there is anyone else using some kind of localized keyboard on Windows with success. Specifically, the Japanese keyboard has keys that change the input method but with RR they only produce an 'a' or chartonum 65 so I can't even trap it. Other possibilities are straight kana input, but I haven't gotten that to work either. Thanks Ron ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Foreign Keyboards
What Kenji advises (set field to Japanese Unicode font) works on my set up -- Japanese Win2K, Japanese keyboard, Rev 2.9. By work I mean the inputting not only of Japanese characters but also of non-alpha-numeric characters, especially shift-key chars for punctuation, quote marks, brackets, etc. -- Nicolas Cueto On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Kenji Kojima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron, When you set a Japanese Unicode font on a text field. You can type Japanese and English text correctly. Even if you use a Japanese layout keyboard. When you use a default text field that is set an English font, you can type Japanese characters, but wrong symbols. I do not have a Japanese keyboard of Windows, then I have not tested it on 2.9 and 3.0. I will ask about it to Japanese Revolution Forums later. -- Kenji Kojima http://www.kenjikojima.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Foreign Keyboards
Hi, I am unable to use a Japanese keyboard on a Windows machine so I am wondering if there is anyone else using some kind of localized keyboard on Windows with success. Specifically, the Japanese keyboard has keys that change the input method but with RR they only produce an 'a' or chartonum 65 so I can't even trap it. Other possibilities are straight kana input, but I haven't gotten that to work either. Thanks Ron ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Non-US keyboards: Cmd-{ and Cmd-]
I have a customer using a Swedish keyboard in an application that makes extensive use of Cmd-[ and Cmd-] in the workflow. This user reports that on her keyboard layout the [ and ] characters are not readily available. So this leaves me with two question: 1. For all you folks using non-US keyboards, which keyboards do not support [ or ] as a single keystroke? 2. Anyone know of a site where I can see images or a table of keyboard layouts for multiple languages? Any other way to better understand the keys available for our international users? TIA - -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Non-US keyboards: Cmd-{ and Cmd-]
On 10 Nov 2006, at 22:47, Richard Gaskin wrote: 2. Anyone know of a site where I can see images or a table of keyboard layouts for multiple languages? Any other way to better understand the keys available for our international users? Try here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Non-US keyboards: Cmd-{ and Cmd-]
Dave Cragg wrote: On 10 Nov 2006, at 22:47, Richard Gaskin wrote: 2. Anyone know of a site where I can see images or a table of keyboard layouts for multiple languages? Any other way to better understand the keys available for our international users? Try here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout Perfect! Thank you. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
